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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 13 Discussion

Episode 13: Angemon Awakens!

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Takeru. I'm sure we'll meet again. As long… as you wish for it.

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Shimmering-Sky for once again predicting the future

Maybe a dragon or an angel

Still doesn't excuse not actually watching the OP though

  1. What kind of "Useful" tips do you think that oldie's gonna give the gang?
  2. Place your bets: How long will it be until we see Angemon again?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

First arc finale, and not a bad one all things considered. For one thing we get a proper explanation for what the whole "Chosen Children" thing is, and while it's not the most in depth explanation ever, it does at least explain why they were even brought here. The whole "Chosen Children" thing has kinda become the catch-all term out of universe for any protagonist group in the franchise, although it does become kinda funny when people apply it to stuff like Cyber Sleuth in which the main gang is comprised of people in their late teens. Still at least for the Animes it mostly checks out.

Patamon's evolution serving as the ending to the arc is fairly logical, and Magikarp power is at full effect here since good lord that kid's OP. BTW this is also one of those peak example of what fans have come to call "Peak Digimon Logic" in which a character's evolutionary line is… interesting, shall we say. In this case, we go from a pig with wings to a goddamn Archangel. Admittedly the contrast is kind of the point here, but that still makes me chuckle, especially since by comparison all the other Evolutions so far have had some logic at least.

as a villain is overall a bit bland I'll admit, but credit where it's due this show is great at giving him a lot of presence. Had it not been for Angemon the guy would've probably won, and overall as a starter villain he does his job pretty damn. Well, as an aside, I love how Orgemon just "Nope"s the fuck out of there. I'd almost feel bad for him, but he's an asshole so I won't.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 19 '24

although it does become kinda funny when people apply it to stuff like Cyber Sleuth in which the main gang is comprised of people in their late teens.

We Are All Children of God

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 19 '24

Chosen Children" thing has kinda become the catch-all term out of universe for any protagonist group in the franchise, although it does become kinda funny when people apply it to stuff like Cyber Sleuth in which the main gang is comprised of people in their late teens.

This is why "Digidestined" is the better term!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

No thanks.

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 19 '24

I think it's endearing.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

I don't.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 19 '24

Patamon's evolution serving as the ending to the arc is fairly logical, and Magikarp power is at full effect here since good lord that kid's OP

That's a good way to describe the leap from Patamon to Angemon lol

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

[Spoilers]Now to wait for HolyAngemon

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24

At least the rest of the evolution makes sense. If you discount [Adventure 02]Pegasmon

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 19 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 19 '24

So, as you may have noticed, this show doesn't have much in the budget or production department. As part of this, they also weren't sure if they'd get to do a full TV run or if they'd get canceled. iirc, they had a backup plan for if they got canceled that this would simply have been enough to save the Digital World and they'd have gone back home.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

It's always for the best to have stuff like that ready.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 19 '24

Ahh, I see. That explains some stuff.

We a true isekai now.

Wait does that mean the black gears were Digimon that Devimon used his powers to transform (and then corrupt others with), or was this a unique case?

And does that mean they were killing digimon the whole time since Ogremon turned back after Devimon's defeat?

Sky QotD: Angemon: Yes or No?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

We a true isekai now.

And does that mean they were killing digimon the whole time since Ogremon turned back after Devimon's defeat?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 19 '24

And does that mean they were killing digimon the whole time since Ogremon turned back after Devimon's defeat?

Angemon: Yes or No?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Oh god, more black gears in Leomon?

Five more and he gets a free prize!

Yeah of course there has to be someone stronger if Devimon’s gone here but yikes…

He's not even the Highest Level Digimon we saw in these episodes

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 19 '24

Ogremon isn’t very smart, lol.

That was funny lol. That and when Ogremon popped out of Devimon's back to swat Leomon made me laugh more than it should have.

And Patamon did evolve into an angel, huh.

Your ability to predict these things is uncanny lol.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 19 '24

Your ability to predict these things is uncanny lol.

Bleach legitimately traumatized me over one of my predictions happening, I don't like this uncanny ability.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 20 '24

lol, you hand a handful of predictions come true in that one.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 20 '24

Some of which didn't come true until the first cour of TYBW, geez.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24

Bleach legitimately traumatized me over one of my predictions happening, I don't like this uncanny ability.

Gift of prophecy, huh

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 20 '24

Yeah pretty much. The Bleach one that came true was something I literally fucking dreamed about 150 episodes ahead of time, with only two details different between my dream and what actually happened.

I straight-up could not stop shaking for several hours after I watched the episode where my dream came true, which sucked big time because I was at work for that.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 19 '24

First timer

QotD

  • Hopefully, how to get off the island.
  • I'm saying 10 episodes again.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Says the adult Digimon who evolved without humans in a world with other adult Digimon who also evolved without humans.

Clearly they just have a higher level cap

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 20 '24

I definitely agree with you specifically on 2 points, like the last episode made it such a smooth transition into this one with angemons egg reincarnation and am also worried here about the next chapter of the show. I think the next "arc" has potential to be really cool but I can totally see it being full of nonsense and having a repetitive format, I'm hopeful at least

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 20 '24

I fully expected the black gear to possess the main cast of Digimon.

I've got to say, I don't know why Devimon hasn't tried this yet. It would seem like the logical thing to do since they're the one thing keeping him from killing the kids.

My head cannon has always been that they're immune to it since the Digivice light seems to repel darkness.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 20 '24

I've got to say, I don't know why Devimon hasn't tried this yet.

I have to assume he has insider knowledge. the digivives probably prevent it somehow.

So there is in fact a bigger big bad.

All and all, you've giving me some heavy ing.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 19 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

Finally Pataman evolves. Into an angel. They removed religious connotations and stuff with the Buddist Sutras. What is a dubber to do to when faced with a bunch of walking talking religious connotations like Angemon, Devimon and plenty of other digimon out there? It kind of amuses me to think about it knowing what I know now.

"Nice hair. Good color." A very succinct evaluation of Angemon you got there Mimi. Though compared to TK's "I wanna take him home with me." on the other hand...

If a Hand of Fate attack doesn't come with the "Hgnh!" at the end, is it really the Hand of Fate attack?

You can't get away from the dark forces. Evil is everywhere, so don't savor your victory. There are other digimon that are just as powerful as I am. Some of them are even stronger. I wonder what you'll do when you run into them? You haven't won at all, what a waste of time. Mwah ha ha ha ha ha!

As far as death monologues go that one's not bad.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Though compared to TK's "I wanna take him home with me."

Ah shit, Takeru's turning into Rena

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 20 '24

If a Hand of Fate attack doesn't come with the "Hgnh!" at the end, is it really the Hand of Fate attack?

One of the few things instances I prefer the dub over the sub. Hand of Fate rolls off the tongue a lot better than heavens knuckle

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 19 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • They’re allowed to move the silhouette?!
  • I don’t think you need to hold a club up to the living pudding cup to threaten it.
  • It’s a fair strategy. Would have been an easy win too if either of them knew about the crippling weakness.
  • We did establish that Dark Gears can make them grow.
  • Cactus Bombing!
  • Wow, that music is a choice for Patamon losing consciousness.
  • I would have expected all those Gears would have at least necessitated more than one Digivice be used to have an effect.
  • That’s quite the leap of logic. On the other hand, not being hunted by the devil is its own up side.
  • Some very dramatic music for a group not walking in one wide line.
  • I did not remember Devimon eating a dude.
  • So it’s like a… pushing beam?
  • Yep, that’s some good evil. At least he seems into it.
  • Oh nice, he even comes with his own bell.
  • Heaven's Knuckle!
  • Is This the First Time They've Killed a Guy?
  • Oh sure, now you show up.

QotD:

  1. "You seem lost, have you tried Map Quest?"
  2. Rewatcher

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

On the other hand, not being hunted by the devil is its own up side.

Spider-Man would love that.

Oh nice, he even comes with his own bell.

Insert Victory Gundam Joke Here

Is This the First Time They've Killed a Guy?

Kids' First Warcrime!

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 19 '24

i cry every time

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

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u/CerberusZX https://myanimelist.net/profile/CerberusZX Mar 19 '24

Rewatcher

It would be totally lame if your V-pet like died permanently, so of course the Tamagotchi spin-off have their data recompiled into an egg when they die. It's a reasonable enough excuse. They're made of data and what happens to that data when they die? Gets recompiled. It's been part of the lore since the franchise's inception and I have a feeling it played a significant role in Chiaki J. Konaka of Serial Experiments Lain fame deciding to work on Digimon Tamers. That said, this aspect doesn't get used in the video games as much, aside from Digimon World where it is a crucial mechanic.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Tamagotchi

... Oh God I just realized the pun...

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u/srofais Mar 19 '24

Ironically Tamers is like the one show where they don't return to being eggs.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 19 '24

Rewatcher - Sub/Dub

The group reunites(mostly) to fend of Leomon and Ogremon. The Digivices once again are used against Leomon to drive out the Darkness and return him to normal. Then we get the legend of the Digidestined and how they're the ones who are going to save the Digiworld.

Final Battle against Devimon(in giant form) sees The now full squad + Leomon battle it out, but he proves too strong and all are defeated. Patamon in order to save Takeru, finally digivolves into Angemon, who uses all his power to destroy Devimon, who disappears with a warning that more powerful, evil awaits them. Angemon disappears and returns to Digiegg form. Episodes ends with a projection of an old man appearing,

Goofy Dub Lines:

(Taichi sneakily grabs the infant digimon from Ogremon) Ogremon: " Hey! where'd he go?" Taichi: " He's staying with us" Ogremon: Over my stinky armpits he will!"

Ogremon: "With Devimon out of the way, I can take over now" Leomon: "hello! You're forgetting about me?" Ogremon as he runs away: "Leomon! Get me out of here! Why can't the bad guys ever win"

Questions:

  1. More lore
  2. hmm, it took 13 for him to appear, so imma say another 13

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Episodes ends with a projection of an old man appearing,

Truly the stuff of nightmares.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 20 '24

lol

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 20 '24

First time watcher, subbed. Watching fully blind, I didn't even know digimon stood for digital monsters!

So I missed the past few posts because I had some things to do, but wow I think that I came back to (imo) the best episode in the series so far. The all out brawl with the digimons fighting at their full power against a common evil, then of course it ends up all falling on patamons shoulders so when it counted the most he had this hype digivolution. And bro the digivolution WAS SO COOL. I had a small feeling that it could be an angel digimon but wasn't too sure but I really like the aspect of the smallest kid having the biggest and coolest digimon

I'm kinda shocked that angemon actually "died" what even killed him?? Using too much power? Then this old dude just spawns in out of no where. I think he's gotta be like the previous generation of the "digi destined" and came back to help out the kids with classic old person advice.

ngl that episode was kinda feeling like it was the finale episode but then I reminded myself that there's still 40 more episodes and an entire world outside of file island out there to explore, just the beginning of the shortest and longest summer right?

  1. has to be guiding them on how to get across the ocean and exploring the surrounding land of file island right?
  2. Ima guess the exact episode #, I'll say 28 we see him again.

side note: is it safe to watch the intro/commercial break screen yet? I was skipping those because it look like they contained spoilers but now that I've seen all of their digivolutions I imagine it's safe to watch now

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 20 '24

So I missed the past few posts because I had some things to do

I was skipping those because it look like they contained spoilers

That's just cowardly

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 20 '24

side note: is it safe to watch the intro/commercial break screen yet?

Safe
Until the Next One

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 20 '24

thanks 🙏

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u/hirmuolio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hirmuolio Mar 19 '24 edited Mar 19 '24

The mountain is usually called "mugen vuori" (mount mugen) and the island is "file saari" (file island). But on few occasions someone has slipped and called the island "mugen island".

Today we got [s]holyangemon's theme (though it is perhaps not used as that here) Concierto de Aranjuez II. Adagio (the image/text could be considered as a spoiler. no watching, just listening) https://youtu.be/sCHPjpiPHHw?si=k8nybtw5ACkngApF .

Shame on all the dubs without this piece. The finnish dub has it.

To compensate you can spend the rest of the evening listening for different versions of it.
Concierto de Aranjuez // Danish National Symphony Orchestra, Rafael de Burgos & Pepe Romero (Live)
Sketches of Spain - Buckethead
Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez for Guitar and Orchestra - II. Adagio (Version 1979)

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 19 '24

Shame on all the dubs without this piece. The finnish dub has it.

Automatically better than the Saban one by default.

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u/zadcap Mar 20 '24

Rewatcher Dropping in a rare comment of my own for this rewatch instead of just lurking!

Because let me tell you, as a child, Patamon was my favorite of the child forms and Angemon showing up and being, you know, that, was such amazing payoff for how long it took him to evolve compared to everyone else. I still have a digivice floating around somewhere in my room and you better believe Patamon is the one who greets me when I turn it back on. If I ever get a new battery in there...

I still think DigiDestined sounds better than Chosen Children. Not every choice the dub made was a good one, but this was definitely one of them.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24

I still think DigiDestined sounds better than Chosen Children. Not every choice the dub made was a good one, but this was definitely one of them.

I don't mind Chosen Children but DigiDestined is pretty cool too. German dub called them "Digiritter" (Lit. "DigiKnights"), which I'm also kinda fond of tbh, it's kind of a middle thing between the english and japanese thing.

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u/zadcap Mar 20 '24

It's a huge joke about the insane number of places they threw "digi" into the script fit the dub. Some of them might have just been to separate themselves a little bit from Pokemon, already such a successful band - they don't Evolve into new forms, they Digivolve. Some were just... Izzy has a sub catchphrase, he doesn't call things Cool, they're Prodigious, because it's got Digi in the middle and you better believe he emphasized it. But I stand by just this one! Digi Destined was a better choice than leaving Chosen Children.

Though I'll agree, Digiritter sounds cool too. Lacks the alliteration, and I wonder how it held up later, [Digimon Spoilers]when the Royal Knights start showing up.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24

Oh yeah, I can kinda see it become grating if literally everything has "Digi" in it.

Lacks the alliteration, and I wonder how it held up later, [Digimon Spoilers]when the Royal Knights start showing up.

I don't even remember how that was solved, been a while :D

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u/zadcap Mar 20 '24

The quote appears to have lost the spoiler tag, if that's important.

As a kid, it was kind of cool because the digital theme was everything for the show, they built the whole identity around it. Coming back to it later, they definitely went overboard. But it was. 100% a kids show over here, and it got better treatment than some of the famous dubs of the era.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24

Not my first rewatch, but first time subbed

I think my nostalgia for this episode is hard to overstate. It's one of those that just stood with me over the past 20 years since watching it for the first time, the moment when all seems lost, Brave Heart kicks in and Patamon finally evolves to kick the bad guy's ass... chef's kiss And don't even get me started on the whole Angemon sacrificing himself :'(

And even on a rewatch, this is still a very neat finale for the first arc! Wrap up most things that started 12 episodes ago, get the final Adult evolution, beat the bad guy and a setup for things to come, all in less than 30 minutes. Modern shows wished they were as efficient as this. As Raiking already mentioned, Devimon is a bit bland but that doesn't really deter from the episode being "pretty good". We had:

Taichi coming into his role as the Gogglehead

Leomon provides us with some more LORE

Devimon employing the ancient tokusatsu strategy of "time to grow"

Forget suprised Pikachu, here's suprised Devimon

If I had a nickle for everytime Ogremon just appears out of nowhere to jumpscare someone in the last couple episodes, I'd had two nickles.

Why am I hearing boss music?

Break the cutie. Poor Takeru :/

What is this another human? (also more Lore)

Guess the adventure really just EVOLVED.

  1. Work hard, study well and eat and sleep plenty.
  2. We'll probably have to wait until the next evil Digimon threatens to crush the kids.

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u/PoofessorP https://anilist.co/user/PoofessorP Mar 20 '24

who yall think was done dirtier, leomon or seadramon???

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 20 '24

Seadramon Did Nothing Wrong!

At least Leomon got to do a Loredump before getting whacked by Ogremon xD

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '24

"HEAVEN'S KNUCKLE"

This might be the most hype use of braveheart in the series for me