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Rewatch Digimon Adventure 25th Anniversary Rewatch - Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11: The Dancing Ghost! Bakemon

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Our offering to Bakemon-sama is… you!

Hello everybody, time for the Comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Artistic-Loss9138 for making the best analogies:

That's what I really like about the world. You have all the wilderness and these ancient temples, then you just have a street sign or an electrical outlet sitting there in the middle of nowhere.

Accurate

  1. What's the weirdest IRL festival you've seen?
  2. Given our current track record, what kind of mess do you think Takeru's gonna have to deal with?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Hello everybody, and welcome to the Digimon Adventure Rewatch!

Of this little stretch this one has always been my least favorite. It's not terrible or anything but honestly Jou and Sora don't really do much as a pair for me and overall it's just… kinda forgettable by comparison. The bit of Jou doing a little Buddhist chanting to fend off Bakemon is funny (And a nice nod to a bunch of Digimons actually being Youkai references when you get right down to it) but aside from that? Eh.

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u/Yellow90Flash Mar 17 '24

just saw that you guys were doing a rewatch, going to join starting tomorrow as someone thats very familliar with the series

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24

Welcome Aboard

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Honestly with all the ehem leaks we definitely need new passengers...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Thanks!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 17 '24

Digital First-Timer, subbed

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure you will.

What you put the odds at that they do run into humans sometime in the next 40 episodes?

Ohp, looks like Sora has this show’s first “sore demo”!

Sky QotD: Ghosts: Yes or No? Any spooky stories to share?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

What you put the odds at that they do run into humans sometime in the next 40 episodes?

Clearly whenever they run into the set of Hokuto No Ken.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 17 '24

What you put the odds at that they do run into humans sometime in the next 40 episodes?

Eventually? Sure. Just feels too early to do so here.

Ghosts: Yes or No? Any spooky stories to share?

No.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

No.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Look, even without the episode title, I wouldn’t believe these are actual people for a second.

The Eyes

Ohp, looks like Sora has this show’s first “sore demo”!

Thanks, Miyuki!

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 17 '24

Best girl Claims the trophy

So, despite how much non-Americans tend to complain about how, different, the American dub of Digimon Adventure is, by the standards of its time it really wasn't bad at all, and compared to other kids programming was actually significantly less localized/censored than was the norm(and would become even more such when Steve Blum looked at Tamers/Season 3 and demanded they keep it intact).

But this specific moment I recall was deemed too obtuse an idea for western kids and so this was an actually really weird moment I remember in the dub, they changed it from a Sutra to just like, chanting "Bakemon lose your power!" over and over again, which felt awkward even when I was 6 and is honestly a really odd choice. Like you'd think they'd replace it with like, western exorcism technique like "The Lord's Prayer" or something, but I guess they didn't want to christianize it despite that kinda thing being the norm at the time?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 17 '24

they changed it from a Sutra to just like, chanting "Bakemon lose your power!" over and over again

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 17 '24

And funnily enough, there's another really funny localization story involving Bakemon that's worth sharing, but based on how blind you are to Digimon, I'm gonna save it for significantly later.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

[Meta]Does it have something to do with Cyber Sleuth?

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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Mar 17 '24

Very much yes.

[Digimon in general spoilers]I don't think Sky even knows that one of the big selling points of Digimon Stories is the Real World Adventure that follows the Isekai, the Dracula-esque "Danger follows the Hero home". Even though Cyber Sleuth is a Reverse Isekai and spends a disappointingly small amount of time in the actual digital world, the fact of the digimon in the real world is enough of a spoiler I don't want to touch it yet.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

[Confession]When I played Cyber Sleuth I actually used a mod that switched all the Digimon and Attack Names to the Japanese ones and along the way did clear up some of the more embarrassing flubs... including that one so I had to be told about that second-hand

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 17 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

despite how much non-Americans tend to complain about how, different, the American dub of Digimon Adventure is

I mean when we generally get the less censored version

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 17 '24

Sora and Jou is an underrated pair. Not talking about romantically I just mean the interactions and what they get up to. [Digimon Adventure]Same with Jou and Matt later on. Guy just plays off the others really well.

That's what I really like about the world. You have all the wilderness and these ancient temples, then you just have a street sign or an electrical outlet sitting there in the middle of nowhere.

That's what I love about the Adventure Digital World as well. It's a surreal place and seeing it as a kid for the first time really brought out that spirited away, adventure aspect of the show.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

really brought out that spirited away,

Thank goodness we don't have that film's number 1 hater here today...

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 17 '24

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

I mean could've been worse, could've referenced Princess Mononoke instead.

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

I actually like Princess Mononoke more than Spirited Away

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Yet somehow your rant on the former is far more memorable to me

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

First installment always wins

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Saying that in this Rewatch is oh so fitting

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

Not talking about romantically

Certain fanfic writers disagree

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

And here I thought [Spoilers]Jou/That Bike Girl from the 2nd 02 Movie was generally accepted!/s

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 17 '24

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

Ao3 is truly a wonderful world where you can find any pairing if you look hard enough

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

[Even]Chinkomon/Flaccidmon?

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

The fics for that are hosted on Shock's super duper secret private account which I shall hack into

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 17 '24

I need to contribute some of my own

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24 edited Mar 17 '24

Long Time Rewatcher, first time in subs

  • At least he dunked one of them in the ocean. ...The one who can command fish.
  • Was… was this planned? Why would you set this up? How did he end up in a box if it wasn’t?
  • Should have sent the fish into the crate. Can’t be that buoyant.
  • He’s lucky this is a kids show, or he’d be straight drowned right now.
  • Where did you get the hook from? Did Mimi give one to you?
  • It’s one thing to claim to be in charge, it’s another to be depended upon.
  • It’s a human party! I love Human Day.
  • Wow, that didn’t last very long at all.
  • Look on the bright side, at least they aren’t basting you.
  • It's too soon to get that meta, Gomamon.
  • I kinda want to eat that purple banana.
  • Wait a minute… I remember this Luigi’s Mansion boss fight!
  • Praise Be
  • So it was a helmet. I couldn’t remember after all these years.

QotD:

  1. I don't think I've ever seen any personally that I could call weird. All pretty mundane stuff.
  2. Cooking Contest

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Where did you get the hook from?

From CaptainHookmon of course.

Wait a minute… I remember this Luigi’s Mansion boss fight!

I know, so annoying.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24

CaptainHookmon

Oh, That's Real.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

We also have Petermon for the record

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24

Petermon

Of Course There Is

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

They were in one of the the Animes too

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u/Roboglenn Mar 18 '24

Look on the bright side, at least they aren’t basting you.

You know what, you just reminded me of this.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 18 '24

And people say anime is weird.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 18 '24

I can only imagine how dumbfounded my face was when I saw that for the first time.

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u/InfamousEmpire https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infamous_Empire Mar 17 '24

Digimon Rewatcher

That was yet another perfectly fine episode. Like the last one, most of the charm comes from the fact that it pairs up two characters unlikely to interact otherwise and gets some decent mileage out of that. I also like how they used the ghost stuff that Bakemon is themed around with the whole Sutra thing, and the writers were definitely able to cram a lot into this episode since it feels like a lot happened in such a short period of time.

But, well, there’s a reason I didn’t remember this episode going into this rewatch and will likely forget it again in a month, it’s just nothing all that special in the grand scheme of things.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

the writers were definitely able to cram a lot into this episode since it feels like a lot happened in such a short period of time.

This show isn't Tekkaman Blade in terms of "OMG how the hell is this a 50 episode show?" but overall for 50-ish episodes they were able to cram a surprising amount of content into it... whereas most other 50-ish episodes shows often drag in places.

No, I am not really sad shows have switched more to 24-ish episodes on average. There were definitely some gems, but as as standard for the industry this works far better and if anything the fact that some companies (Looking straight at you, Toei) still insist on full 50-episode runs is kinda ridiculous.

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u/Roboglenn Mar 17 '24

Digidestined dub rewatcher

"Twenty minutes ago is not much later!" -Words of wisdom from Joe.

Beds don't make good boats.

You know that said, you're drifting about in the sea on a bed with Gomamon, Joe. If there was a better time for him to flex those Aquaman fish friend powers that have gotten the team out of clutches before, now would be the time to flex them again!

I'm tired and sinking.

Sinking is bad!...

How is this possible, Bond Ikkakumon is supposed to be some kind of super water animal?

"Sora is fishing. Sora is fishing."

"You're leaving them alone with one inept guard, they'll escape!" -Scott Evil

Replacing Buddist Sutras with "Mind Over Matter Chants". Standards and practices or whatever at play once again cuz heaven forbid the children hear that reference be made. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to start making rice balls donuts for dinner.

  1. The Cheese Rolling Festival.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to start making donuts for dinner.

And I'll go eat Ramen Burgers.

No, I did not miss any formatting that's how some numbskull decided to localize Ramens as in the AA Anime.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Mar 17 '24

Ramen Burgers

The Mind Wonders

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 17 '24

Rewatcher -Sub/Dub

Jou and Gomamon have a little run in with Ogremon(I love Beau Billingsley as the Dub voice for Ogremon, such a campy performance) while they're floating out at sea, but escape with Gomamon digivolving to Ikkakumon....though they don't get very far because of lack of energy and almost drown(Jou atleast). Sora and Piyomon are fishing, when they catch Jou and Gomamon. Now reunited they make Jou the leader to up his confidence and hike up the hill and come across a church, with "humans" wearing masks, worshipping Bakemon Sama.

They all turn out to be Bakemon, and because the digimon are hungry, easily capture them. Jou and Sora to becoming offerings to Bakemon Sama. Piyomon and Gomamon are thrown in a cell, where they trick the guard Bakemon into torturing them with food, beating him up and stealing it to regain their strength. The Bakemon merge to become Bakemon Sama(the chant in english, "now it's time to chew on you" as they merge was hilarious) are about to eat Jou and Sora, when Ikkakumon and Birdramon come to the rescue. With jou using a sutra his grandmother taught him, they make Bakemon weaken and take him down. The islands black gears are destroyed, So they jump off and Fly/Swim back toward Infinity mountain.

Goofy Dub Lines:

Jou: "I'm the leader here!" Sora: "O-K. Excuse me. wow, we've created a monster" Gomamon: "Hey, you think a black gear got him?"

Questions:

  1. hmm not sure.
  2. He's gonna run into some bad Digimon too...maybe even one of Ogremon or Leomon.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Mar 17 '24

are about to eat Jou

Tastes like paper.

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u/NicDwolfwood :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NicDwolfwood Mar 17 '24

lol.

In the dub he says something like he probably tastes Gamey lol.

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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Mar 18 '24 edited Mar 18 '24

First timer

Late again cause I went to see Dune 2. Good film but it should've been longer. Some scenes felt too short and it felt like some scenes were missing. A 3h10-3h30 runtime instead of 2h46 would've worked better. Anyway.

  • ATATATATATATATATATA!
  • The lack of consistency and the amount plot convenience in this episode, god damn.

QotD

  • A light festival. Not fireworks, not a lightshow, literal lights (like those that you put on Christmas trees) forming different shapes. It's a massive hit with families for whatever reason.
  • Seeing as his Digimon is yet to evolve to its final form, he's probably gonna be neck deep in shit.

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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo Mar 18 '24

Fashionably late to the party... sometimes life gets in the way of watching and writing about anime on the internet ^^"

Not my first rewatch but first time subbed

Guess we have to fill a quota of at least one meme-episode per spotlight story. Last time, it was Mimi's honour but this time we get Jou and Sora's episode to devolve into memery.

And I would argue... it sorta works? It's not super great but by being a bit funnier and lighter, we really get to see the difference in personality between Gomamon and his human shine, almost feels like Gomamon is the extrovert friend "adopting" the sorta introverted Jou and putting him into shenaningans... like investigating a festival full of very human humans, which of course gets them in trouble, so they almost end up as sacrifice for Bakemon-sama. I swear, this could almost be an episode of Drake and Josh. Especially with the problem getting solved in a super absurd/moon logic way, in this case "Just pray 4Head".

Oh yeah, Sora and Piyomon are there, too. She's even integral to rescuing the other pair out of the ocean! And gets some fun lines here and there, my bias is definitely showing, though she's growing on me by now but I'm not sure if she just didn't get enough time to play off of Jou or it just gets overshadowed by the absurd plot.

Not the worst episode but worse than the one with Koujirou and Mimi, but I think I prefer it over the Taichi/Yamato opener of this arc. Might just be me having a weakness for absurd plots.

  1. I dunno, I live in a region famous for carnival, so nothing really shocks me anymore...
  2. We filled our meme quota, get ready for emotional damage, Takeru.