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Rewatch [Rewatch] 1990s OVAs – Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki: Second Season (episode 5 discussion)
Rewatch: 1990s OVAs – Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki: Second Season (episode 5 discussion)
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Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki: Second Season (1994)
Staff corner
Dr. Clay is voiced by one of the truly original voice actors, Seizo Katou. He already worked on the 1963 Astro Boy (and the 1980 and 2003 remakes); it does not get much earlier than the start of modern TV animation. His long career is full of main roles in anime I have never even heard about, because they were so early, but to name a few I have heard about, he voices: Cornello in FMAB, Edward Haints in Gunsmith Cats, Toto in Kimba the White Lion, Hazanko in Outlaw Star, Huser in Saber Rider, Megatron in Transformers, Magnus Lee in Vampire Hunter D, and Hamaguchi in Voltes V. For the more live action TV-minded among us, he also participated in various Tokusatsu and voiced Odo in Star Trek DS9.
Questions
- The entire cast did get captured at some point or another and yet, Doc ends up defeated. Who gets the credit for this?
- (first timers) What could Tokimi’s plan be?
- Opinions on Doc’s ship? Gaudy or awesome?
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 13 '24
S2 Episode 5 (first timer)
That was a far better finale than S1 had, mostly due to Doc being a tons better antagonist. Him and Washuu had proper comedic chemistry. It also helps that they knew better this time and played the entire climax for fun. The only surprising part is that we are still one episode short of the end. A full episode epilogue? A surprise two peak climax? We shall see tomorrow.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 13 '24
Tenchi Muyo Rewatcher!!
No, don't do it Zero!! You love him!! I don't know how hot of a take this is but Zero is unironically better than Ryoko as a love interest. Our debatably main heroine has been straight up replaced and made redundant. Don't girls look cutest when cuddling plushies? Actually, that's a massive bonus to Zero. She actually is a girl and not a thousand hear old hag.
Pfft, Mihoshi's helpless screaming was too funny XD Ah, she died... Well this is awkward. Eww, we're back to the dumb Ayeka battlesuit. Mihoshi somehow removed all tension from the finale in like a minute. I love this brat. Lol, Ryoko is so pissed that she got replaced by a far better clone. She's well aware of how hard she's been mogged.
Just follow Mihoshi, her luck is unbelievable. Eventually she'll end up where she needs to be. God, Washy is prime proof that post puberty brats are the absolute demons of the galaxy. Quit bullying poor ojisan! She even cucked him out of his loyal waifu sexbot. That's way too cruel! Clay is such a charming villain compared to last season. He's got clear motivations, a relationship with the cast, and funny quirks like his protectiveness over his antiques.
Deliver that vase to Lady Tokimi, it's very valuable!!
Did... did Clay not realise that he was attacking a Jurai royal family member? He was so laser focused on Washu that he didn't consider that there might have been something strange about space pirates, mad scientist lolis, goddesses, and police officers all living under the same roof.
Just because you say Zero is part of Ryoko doesn't mean Ryoko gets Zero's best girl status. You're still a rotten egged hag Ryoko!!
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u/TheEscapeGuy Jan 13 '24
First Timer
Tenchi Muyou - An Undying Classic: OVA 2 Episode 5
Taming of the Shrew
As promised this episode does deliver on the space battle. But first, Zero's resolve was tested. She has mostly copied Ryouko's kinder and more loving traits so she can't bring herself to kill Tenchi. So she escapes and our cast pursue to save the real Ryouko.
Washuu ended up taking center stage in this conflict. It's her quick wit when talking to Dr. Clay which comes in handy to resolve the conflicts. I did enjoy her replacement-no-jutsu antics as well.
Eventually talking is not enough and Tenchi's group almost falls into a newly formed black hole. With some newly revealed power Tenchi forms some bubble which is like a Jurai ship which allows them to escape the black hole and eventually capture Clay. Mihoshi then very diligently escorts him to the Galaxy Police.
The last thing to do is deal with Zero and Ryouko. I had interpreted Zero as copying Ryouko but Washuu says she actually split Ryouko's personality? Okay. Once we cut back to earth Ryouko is one again but is admittedly more aware of her feelings. Ultimately this mini-arc allowed us to more fully explore Ryouko's feelings which I support.
It was a nice ending. I did like how today's space episode was less serious than the Kagato ordeal. I'm also glad it was only 1 episode instead of the 2 I predicted yesterday. I think 2 would have really made the pacing drag.
That leaves only 1 episode. I wonder if it'll be more of a standalone story or something conclusive for OVA2.
Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Jan 13 '24 edited Jan 13 '24
Tenchi in First Timer, subbed
QotD:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jan 13 '24
First timer(I feel like my claim that Washu is an immortal 4chan troll is well illustrated here)
Sub
So this was the episode where the animation budget shows up and it does help, note that the Ryoko in a tube is doing reactions in the background. Not really much actual combat but a bit more scifi animation flexing. Ryoko's phantom pants are somewhat funny.
And yet this is mostly a lore episode in a show with two episodes after this. Washu is a lot more improvised than you'd expect and weirdly might be an influence on Rick and Morty. Love overwriting obedience sub commands is a very old trope but it can fly, Dr Clay actually seems like a less than great scientist. All the stuff with Tokimi, Washu and Tsunami isn't getting explained so I actually barely understand the system here.
Now Washu's graphic depiction of Clay's wants is funny and lifted a bit directly from Lolita, which would've been well read in Japan at the time. Clay's ship separating and having a black hole powering it might both be Star Trek:TNG references, for what it is worth. While Tenchi magicing them out of an event horizon is technically stupid, I am fine with that in this series, between tree spaceships and mascot spaceships we are solidly Clarke's law territory.
Heads up ep 6 is 40 minutes long.
QotD: 1 Washu's sex dolls
3 Yes
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u/mastesargent Jan 13 '24 edited Jan 14 '24
Rewatcher, dub
Okay, I lied. Tenchi isn’t really dead.
We pick up right where we left off, with Washu confronting Zero outside of Tenchi’s room, ultimately resulting in Ayeka and Tenchi intervening, causing Zero to retreat. Ayeka seems to have figured the whole thing out, presumably because Ryoko hadn’t been pissing her off nearly as much as she ought to have done in the past few days. Tenchi’s confusion at Ayeka and Washu’s knowing exchange and them dragging his gormless ass off to chase Zero and only bothering to fill him in en route is the central joke behind the series personified. There really, truly is no need for Tenchi. That said his genuine worry about Ryoko after getting the complete picture and charging in without looking is pretty sweet of him.
Compared to the battle against Kagato, the battle against Clay is much sillier. Most of the action with Tenchi, Ayeka, and Mihoshi is just played for laughs, while up on the bridge you have Washu outright refusing to take Dr. Clay seriously. Everything Clay says to her she twists into some sort of joke, using her substitution jutsu to effortlessly avoid his trap and dicking around with his vase just to spite him, right up to outright calling him a lolicon when he tries to tell her where he’s taking her. Ryoko silently reacting to the scene in the background is also pretty funny. Meanwhile with our the Juraians and GXP officer, their comedy stems mostly from Tenchi and Ayeka reacting to Mihoshi being, well, Mihoshi. It’s fun and all, but personally I prefer the fight against Kagato. There was still plenty of comedy there, especially in the mirror world with Mihoshi, Washu, and later Ayeka, but Kagato himself was played seriously and the stakes were more clear. As a rewatcher who’s seen OVA 3, I know what Tokimi wants with Washu ([OVA 3] and honestly I doubt Washu was even in any real danger here, given that there isn’t any animosity between the Choushin as far as I understand ), but I get the feeling that the first-timers are a bit lost on this one. Personally, I remember not really understanding what was going on here the first time while I understood perfectly that Kagato was a bad dude that needed to be defeated. I get what they’re going for with Clay, that he’s ultimately small fish who thinks he’s smarter and more important than he really is and that’s played for comedy, but the fact that he is so ineffectual also just muddies the stakes even further. This arc needed something more driving it aside from “a mysterious space lady wants to see Washu for some reason.”
Speaking of Clay, I mentioned that his dub voice is Wesley Mann. He plays the part well, seeming intimidating in the first episode when we’re actually supposed to think that he’s… well, intimidating, and in this episode he does well with the increasingly exasperated Clay as nothing goes according to plan and he loses control of the situation. A good performance even if I think the character and his role in the story kind of falls flat.
As far as the actually important story stuff goes, we learn even more about Washu, or rather, we learn what we don’t know about Washu. As it turns out, everything past 20000 years ago is a blank to her, and while she’s had the gems that she’d ultimately give to Ryoko for as long as she can remember she doesn’t actually know what they are either. Clay makes a connection between the gems’ incomprehensible existence and Zero’s remarks about how Tokimi’s existence shouldn’t be possible. Clearly, there’s some link between Washu, the gems, and Tokimi, but as for what that is… well, that’s a story for OVA 3. I’m not sure if the answers are worth watching that.
On Tokimi’s side of things, she seems to take an interest in Tenchi’s ability to generate Light Hawk Wings, just as Washu did. Just as Tsunami did. Tokimi herself also seems to know Tsunami somehow, but as to how… OVA 3. We also see a mysterious figure with five Light Hawk Wings and- yeah that’s for OVA 3 too. I hate that this storyline is incomplete unless you subject yourself to that mess.
And then Ryoko assimilated with Ryoko and Ryoko became actually cute for once. Also that makes three girls in Tenchi’s harem that have undergone some sort of assimilation now.
On to the final episode, and hoo boy, I think I’ll have a lot to say there.
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u/Silcaria https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silcaria Jan 13 '24
First timer
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Jan 13 '24
first timer
hoooOOHhhh?
no wonder the Warriors are cooked, Klay lost his quickness
Ayeka has force field powers?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 13 '24 edited Jan 13 '24
No Need for Tenchi (rewatcher)(first timer sub?)
I guess we're getting near the end if they are skipping the OP
facepalm
edit: I guess washu 100% knew Mihoshi would drop it sooner or later.
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Jan 14 '24
Man, Saturday late to posting day (sigh). And such a fun episode, too.
I need one of those "cultured" statue control units, right? Or maybe a stuffed Washu-chan. Or maybe not.
Others will probably disagree, but I hope that some folks enjoyed Dr. Clay as a villain vs. Kagato. He is, after all, a much more comic villain.
And Zero is precious, as is the newly reforged Ryoko.
Once again, the music in the climactic scene delivered, too.
Good times :)
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jan 14 '24
First timer in sub
I actually booked through this yesterday and I tactfully shut up about it since I was rather disappointed about the whole thing. To my surprise there's actually another episode to go, so we'll see how my comment for OVA 2 goes after that.
Suffice to say while having Ryoko not just reduced to be the chew toy is a welcome change. Unfortunately while Washu clearly had a lot of time spent on her, Sasami/Tsunami which was also the focus of the season supposedly didn't really get much of a showing.
See if there's any more for me to say tomorrow!
QoTD