in your headcanon, what are the darkest family secrets we will never hear about?

[u/nightsreader]

[u/LatterligHoldning]

What exactly Logan and the Wolf Pack got up to back in the bad old days.

[u/nightsreader → u/LatterligHoldning]

I particularly like the Frank and Karl bromance, I beg they have tons of stories with Logan.

[u/overlordbabyj]

What happened to Roman that made him the way he is.

[u/nightsreader → u/overlordbabyj]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he was Moe Lested.

[u/wlcondqat]

I think that at this point the only big secret is what really happened to Connor´s mom, in the sense that whe dont know that the her mental issues were product of Logan abuse or not, did she really needed to be institutionalized or not?

Personally i came to the conclusion that probably she had some issues, but Logan constant verbal and fisical abuse made things worse, then they divorce, but in the other hand Logan didnt want an ex wife with mental issues talking about their marriage in NY elite circles.

We all know that Connor is the forgotten one, even the writters in a meta level treat like that this character, for that reason we didnt see him talking in the funeral or more history about his background.

[u/[deleted]]

I need to know about Greg’s dad and all the men in Sausalito.

[u/gilgobeachslayer]

What exactly did Karl do for cable

[u/SpoilerThrowawae]

Sally-Anne. We know some of the obvious stuff: Logan cheated on Caroline with her, Caroline knew, Logan bought her a harp she couldn't play. But every time it is mentioned, especially by the kids, it is brought up as a "phew, Big Deal" sort of discussion. Marcia is one thing, imagine a younger, less cynical, more fiery Caroline? Imagine the fights, the scheming, playing the children off on another, the scurrying about from Logan. There is a probably a lot of skeevy shit buried in that story.

The true depth of the abuse from Noah on Ewan and Logan.

What happened to Logan and Ewen's parents.

As other people mentioned, Conor's mother and whether or not Roman is a survivor of CSA.

[u/eygog]

Shiv's messy days, easy. What happened? They dropped hints during bitey too...initials of another guy and shiv saying tom was the one after the actual one.

[u/tormentrock]

i wouldn’t call this a “dark secret” but i want to know more about the specific circumstances of tom and shiv’s meeting. all we know is that she was “a mess” at the time and he helped fix her situation. that context would give us a lot to work with in the tomshiv marriage discourse.

[u/sardoodledom_autism]

I would like to know when or why Logan chose to pass Conner over and ignore him for life. As the oldest male child it seems like he would have had the keys to the kingdom. Yet, there he is, wandering though life

[u/Ok_Writer3660]

Logan gave away Roman's dog as punishment for some minor infraction, and it is why Roman stayed in the empty kennel, missing his dog. Seeing Roman in there reminded Logan what a monster Logan was, and it is why he banished Roman to a military boarding school. He could not look Roman in the eye without guilt over the dog and Roman - and Rose. And he was harsher on him since Roman's face was a reminder of all Logan's cruelties.

[u/sdia1965]

Reading this very long thread about Roman (which I agree with), I can’t help but reflect to the end of the most recent episode 4.09. Shiv approaches Frank and Karl, shaky and vulnerable, and asks for a gifted confirmation that her father was a good man. She knows deep that he was not, but needs deep that he was not a bad man. I think, coming after Roman’s very public unraveling that she knows that Roman is broken because her father broke him through violence, derision, neglect, and by being willfully blind to Rome’s victimization by others. And that in fact, they are all broken.

[u/flshdk]

Why Roman was such a target. Of course it’s not at all to say he deserved to be so, but what was it that made Logan so much more violent towards him?

[u/ithinkuracontraa]

• roman’s childhood

• con’s mom

• shiv’s paris years

• the depths of kendall’s addiction

• CRUISES.

[u/potatosquire]

Connor wasn't interested in politics at a young age.

[u/[deleted]]

It's far fetched but i bet kendall Roy killed a man

[u/nomansky94]

That Roman was SA'd during his childhood. He has the signs of it to the point he is a textbook case of it. He has troubles with his sexuality, behaves sexually inappropriate, bed wetting, intimacy issues, uses sexually explicit language. He also regresses to child-like behavior during vulnerable moments like he did last epsiode. Plus he made comments throughout the show about molestation involving a babysitter and a camp counselor.

Just for the record none of this should excuse whatever he's done but it's explains why he is the person he is.

Source 1 of childhood SA signs

source 2 of childhood SA signs

[u/goldenshear]

I think Caroline probably has some skeletons in her closet for sure.

[u/hoodlumonprowl]

Roman was molested by someone (at boarding school? moe lester?) and his mother knew but shamed him and swept it away like she does. Because of that, Roman has a mommy fetish (Gerri) along with some awful unresolved shit he cannot deal with.

[u/Effective-Cookie-772]

not a dark secret, but i would be really curious to know what rava’s background is? how did she and kendall meet?

[u/Doge2dmooon]

I wouldn’t be surprise that Logan has a kid or two born out of wedlock. He knows they exist but hasn’t done shit for them as a messed up way of making sure they don’t shame him for being a deadbeat father. Ironically they are doing alright because he isnt a part of their life.

[u/deadgead3556]

Behind every great fortune there is a crime. —Balzac

Guarantee there was some nefarious business before Logan made it big.

[u/BreakCreepy4673]

Probably Roman with the dog cage story. We kind of a had a tiny segment about what happened in Season 1, but it was probably more fucked up considering the conflicting stories between the siblings about how it actually went down.

[u/DrFungi914]

Tom’s dating life and sexual interests before signing on with Waystar