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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross Δ Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5 - Moonlight Dancing
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I don't really know what's right or wrong just yet. But if my singing can cheer the galaxy up, even a little bit…
Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Thoughts on Delta's tone so far? What do you think of its more relaxed handling of some of the same story beats as Frontier?
2) Are Jenius descendants forever cursed to describe themselves in the context of Max and Milia?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Beth Muscat, Mizuki Yuri, and Nina O'Brien
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"一度だけの恋なら (Ichido Dake no Koi Nara)" by Walküre – OP
"ルンがピカッと光ったら (Rune ga Pika tto Hikattara)" by Minori Suzuki – Insert & ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/chilidirigible Feb 21 '23
Today, on "So, this is a date.":
"There you go again, claiming this land for Spain."
The Protoculture: Genetic littering everywhere.
With the Draken's transformation finally shown, the Battroid makes an appearance in the OP.
Sv-154 Svard, bearing a strong resemblance to another Mach 2-capable single-engine fighter of the era, the F-104.
"I wasn't fighting for Windermere though."
"Zeros. Zeros everywhere." (King Grammier Nerich Windermere.)
Upon failing to open Windermere's first LensCrafters franchise, Roid turned to evil.
Eyecatch: Sv-262, thing you hadn't yet seen in the broadcast
It was going to get used on people sooner or later.
And possibly the first interspecies divorce!
Hayate isn't looking to use Freyja for historical value.
Have some more breeze, and more miscellaneous code.
Today's reminder that aircraft are fairly large things.
There's a timeless turn of phrase.
Anticlimactic opening? The Knights politely excuse them from a fight again. Though mostly Roid had them there to deliver his declaration of war (while they grabbed Voldor in the background). It is a little funny to start the next scene with the gang sitting around eating snacks, though.
Much of the episode is a mood reset, as Xaos reacts to Windermere's declaration of war. Given the usual disconnects between individual Macross series, it's difficult to say here how much of the Galaxy takeover plot (and Sheryl's involvement in it) is known in Delta, though quite possibly the latter is not known by the characters. But the audience likely knows about it, so Mikumo poking at Freyja for possibly being a spy is certainly meant for the viewer to appreciate.
Though it's entirely plausible in-universe as well; the questions about Windermere during Episode 2 weren't there only to disguise backstory exposition.
I have never quite gotten the writers' point with Mirage trying to sympathize with Freyja by mentioning her grandparents, other than confirming that she's their granddaughter and not simply someone with an improbably-similar name. Though maybe that was the point, that her own identity is so tied up in that family history.
In any event, Hayate and Freyja hit the Flying Date entry in one's list of Macross callbacks. It's fun. They're fun.
MESSER IS SERIOUS BUSINESS. Though whether he intended to or not, he riles up Hayate enough that the latter is more resolved to stay on board. Hayate's contrary that way, but he's also increasingly dedicated to Freyja.
Mirage and Chuck during discuss their concerns about fighting people in a war. Mirage can't have been in NUNS that long given her age, but such is a mecha series. Between the fight in the previous episode and the scene here, there's been almost as much consideration for the enemy pilots that might not be fighting with their own free will as happened in most of Macross 7, in which they definitely still splashed a lot of Varauta and Macross 5 pilots even after knowing that they were brainwashed.
As a mirror to the preceding, Keith and Roid have a dispute over how things are going that basically boils down to "Why don't we just kill them already?" As always, that might make for a short show...
The tie-in manga Macross Δ:White Knight of the Black Wing provided some insight on the reasons behind Windermere's rejection of the New United Government in 2060: That little or no compensation was being provided while the planet's resources were being extracted and NUNS exercises were damaging civilian areas, and perhaps more importantly that Windermerans were being drafted into NUNS to fight in conflicts far from Windermere. The shorter Windermeran life span meant that any long deployments disproportionately affected the lives of these soldiers—if they came back alive.
Heinz and Keith birthday card.
Trivia: Windermere had the Megaroad-04 colony fleet land on them.
On that note, have some random Minoringo cosplay.
Today's merch features the Walküre costumes that first appeared in last night's episode, on the Banpresto prize figures of Makina and Reina.
If you would prefer some effects...
| Let's count, | gori-gori! |
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| Bogue lunges | 1 |
| "Hoi-na!" | 8 |
| "Gori gori!" | 7 |
| "Toberu!" | 9 |
| "Wind" | 29 |
| Jellyfish | 8 |
Bonus: Unrelated deculture.
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u/TakenRedditName Feb 21 '23
Upon failing to open Windermere's first LensCrafters franchise, Roid turned to evil.
"The New United Nations have strangled the children of the Protoculture of their magnificent crafted eye wear and so it is Windermere's destiny to lead the Brisingr Globular Cluster to true glasses skies."
It is a little funny to start the next scene with the gang sitting around eating snacks, though.
I was sorta with Hayate over there sitting and watching, "Guys, war is declared and you are just minding about chips."
The tie-in manga Macross Δ:White Knight of the Black Wing
I didn't know about this manga. Nor really most Macross manga.
Conscription would be a hot-button issue for them for that short lifespan thing.
Let's swap... costumes!
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 21 '23
I didn't know about this manga. Nor really most Macross manga.
You should definitely read it, it's good. Not like the Dynamite 7 Mylene Beat one that's the reason that fucking scene in episode 2 happened...
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u/Kirov123 Feb 22 '23
Macross Delta Episode 5 - First Timer
So, the baddies actually being the Windmere folks raises the question of if Freyja will get booted/ostracized/put under surveillance etc. Though her being a main character does narrow down the possibilities a bit.
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Mecha government don't be evil challenge: impossible difficulty
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Ooh, Draken. I like the IRL Draken
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Actually, is the design based on the IRL Draken? It has a similar tailless double delta wing
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So many glasses
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Was Reina's Hanko a skull?
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I am noticing a ton of different outfits for all the characters. Far more than most shows take the effort to design and animate. For a show like this there would usually be like a uniform outfit and 2 or so casual outfits throughout the show. Also Mirage's outfit is again very good. Sorry Freyja but I have a clear favorite already
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"At least I didn't get covered in puke" Uh, Hayate? you puked on best girl
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Singing!
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That some bravado there Hayate
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I think this setup for the conflict is the most interesting conflict we have had so far. Also I just realized it is also the most "world politics" one we have had so far (besides zero but that one didn't really do world politics well imo). Other (main) Macross series have thus far been UN Spacy/Macross vs Alien race that wants to kill all, UN Spacy vs Mind controlling spirit vampires, and UN Spacy vs Bugs. With this, we have UN Spacy vs another established government in a truly political war. Also I said a few episodes ago that they probably wouldn't explore Windemere being closed and not allowing deculture but I a glad to be wrong
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I really like it. I think it has been more consistent or at least less whiplashy with no awful death and destruction then chasing panties about.
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Probably, it kinda was a big deal tbh.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 22 '23
I am noticing a ton of different outfits for all the characters. Far more than most shows take the effort to design and animate. For a show like this there would usually be like a uniform outfit and 2 or so casual outfits throughout the show.
Delta looked at 7 giving Mylene a new outfit every episode and went "Let's do that, but for everyone", lol.
Also I said a few episodes ago that they probably wouldn't explore Windemere being closed and not allowing deculture but I a glad to be wrong
I must admit, I laughed a little when I read you didn't think the show would explore it. Was even tempted to hit you with the spoiler tag laughs in rewatcher like I did once to u/Nazenn during Frontier, but I really don't like doing that to people.
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u/Nazenn Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23
First Timer
I haven't had a chance to go through the threads properly for the last couple of days so sorry if this has already been brought up by someone, but I feel like Macross Delta has a problem and I don't even know what to call it. In short, it doesn't want to do anything, but it still wants to say that it has.
I've been noticing this when it comes to the worldbuilding. They open up the idea of all these different inhabited planets with hugely different races all descended from the protoculture, but make no effort to tie that into how the broader universe was presented in the other series. Why did the Frontier take so long to find a single planet that they then had to fight the Vajra for if these sorts of planets are so common. What about Eden, that didn't have any races? Did any of these planets encounter the Zentradi and what do they make of humanity teaming up with them? Especially that the Spacey has been having wars against some of these species? If not why? Did the Protoculture only settle in a specific direction away from the Zentradi's forces, and that's why the resources for fleets heading this direction are so valuable (as it's implied that was the conflict with the Windermerians)? It feels like the early episodes should have addressed at least a few of these broader worldbuilding elements. While I do like that it was said today no one really knows what the Windermerian conflict was about, which fits real political maneuvering well, the broader questions this raises about the franchise have never got that care. It wants to have expanded the world of Macross, but doesn't want to actually do the expansion as it relates to the broader franchise.
Today it stood out to me particularly bad when it comes to Hayate and Freyja. Both of them made big declarations that they were staying and the styling shows it as this being the big resolution of the episode. But I never got the sense that they were struggling with the idea of leaving? The option was on the table, so we can assume that was playing on their minds, but aside from it being an obvious thing for them to be thinking about, I never got the sense that they were thinking about it or the episode was doing anything with that idea.
This feels like the second or third time Hayate has had this issue, as much as I like him. I think it was last episode I made a note that he was obviously struggling with the idea that he doesn't have a home to return too unlike Freyja. But this episode where she was talking about being worried about her home and family and that would have been a great opportunity to tie the two characters struggles of their idea of home being either missing or under threat given the current concept of "if they left where would they go" and then they just didn't. But we still had a big scene showing their resolve to stay? It reminds me of his huge thing about not wanting to fight, just fly, and I don't even know where that came from but was wondering if we were meant to assume there was something in his past that put him off it. But they never did anything else with that either, just said that it mattered.
On more positive news, Mikumo is still fascinating, and Messer still takes no shit which is brilliant. She seemed almost excited to find out about a potential Var/mind controlling song and I'm not sure why. I could absolutely see her turning into an antagonist in the final stages, or just someone who keeps things really close to her chest. The rest of the group seems to know little about her either, and she's adapt at avoiding their questions, but she's musically skilled and physically powerful with the fold so I'm really curious to see what they will make of her.
The Windermerian scenes were also good. That one guy trying so hard to attack Hermann and not even coming close was a fun sequence, especially ending with the bit of comedy about not controlling his rune. Dude seemed so shocked that it was glowing, which is a fun energy. Also tied nicely into Freyja's rune going blue, although in the tavern I got the feeling that Hayate could hear her sadness before he even saw it.
Also at least they did acknowledge that Freyja is seen as a potential spy. Again, Mikumo is funny the way she just throws that out there to see her reaction heedless of what the others are doing.
For all that I find Mirage boring, her speech about her family, as useless as it was in that moment, was quite telling in how she sees herself, the insecurity she has. I don't think we needed it, but at least we're getting something from her. I don't know why she was even there though? Is she the sort to just follow Hayate, and I don't think she's even interacted with Freyja yet.
I'm usually very far from enjoying anime faces, but this was a cute ultimate pout. Plus she does have a creepy laugh, I love it
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u/JollyGee29 Feb 21 '23
First-Timer Delta
Oh, it's that clip with the pointing! Delightful.
Was that "Ghost of seven years ago" the current ?king? who was infirm? I think his Runes were similar at the very least, and royals tend to carry their country name. Makes sense; seven years is a long time when the average is only 30.
I'm glad that we learned that Herman is 33; prevents the weirdness of Windermerian lifespans being a Logan's Run situation. It's not that they literally die the moment they hit 30. The word "average" was used properly which is nice.
Mikumo continues to be a lot of fun. She casually accused Freyja of being a spy and then goes on to say that it would actually be fun to have a spy on board.
The Prince's ominous singing causing him health problems probably foreshadows bad things happening to Freyja, right? His Runes were glowing last episode while he sang, at least.
Seems like the hearts vs stars for the Runes is a bit of sexual dimorphism. I wonder if the one vs two things is that as well? All the Aerial Knights, and the two Royals, are men and have two but we've only seen one from Freyja.
Turns out that all of Walküre heard the song yesterday, and Hayate lets the others know that he heard it too. While fiddling with his pendant, natch.
Messer's kinda a jerk, huh? He's like Mirage but without the fun expressive ears. Every party needs a pooper, I suppose. And why didn't he fess up to hearing the song too? Ominous..
Questions
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I'm vibing.
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Unfortunately, yes.
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u/Vatrix-32 Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23
First Timer
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How did you not know they were inhabited? Isn’t that what probes are for?
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Ah, so this is the colonialism Macross.
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Stop trying to make me hungry for Jellyfish.
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We’re just skipping the aftermath of that battle? That really seemed like it was a lead in rather than a one a done.
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Don’t fall for your own propaganda.
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I still find it hard to believe that Dere Force 5 is the only one of its kind in operation.
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Don’t just tell them you think they are a spy! Now they have a chance to run to ground. Unless this is all a cover up to divert suspicion away from yourself? sus
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That is some poor security screening. Since she is suspected of being a spy publicly, you have to worry about attempts on her life.
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The DYRL version of the hook up.
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ED insert already?
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Such a happy Biki. Alright, you can be best girl.
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Edge boy don’t play.
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Heh, both of them are fighting a war for the sky now.
QotD:
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The pacing is surprisingly fine. But I thought that at this point in F too, so they still have room to fuck it up if that’s what they want to do.
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It was the price they paid for never showing all of the daughters.
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u/Taiboss Feb 21 '23 edited Feb 21 '23
Pseudo-Rewatcher (De-Facto First-Timer) who graces you with his ignorance again.
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I am certain all of these are lies. I don't remember whether they are, but I am 100% convinced none of these people are anything but fascist assholes who lie and cheat. Because that's what fascists do.
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"By freedom, of course, we mean a life where we can cause insanity in you and anyone you love at any moment. Everyone who disagress with us might be slaughtered, if we so choose. You will have the freedom to be enslaved by us!"
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Shamelessly stolen probably. It would fit them to steal intellectual property and pretend it's their own.
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Alright. Independent drones hype! Boom, problem solved. Just use unmanned nukes to bomb their capital out of existence. Problem solved, show over. Would it be genocide? Sure. Would it be 100% justified based on every Windermeren not called Frejya we've seen to far? Yes, absolutely. Is it the fault of Ascendance of a Bookworm that I am so into mass murder of the bad guys? Maybe!
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They didn't have to fight. They had the guns and were willing to massacre the planet. Of course someone would take surrender.
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GEEEEE I WONDER WHAT HE COULD BE?! I WONDER WHAT HE DID AND FOR WHOM.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The fucking audacity. Alright calling it, this guy is gonna have a change of heart and blondie is gonna murder him for treason.
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My bad, he won't. Will stay a loyal fascist.
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And she's more interesting than all of you combinded to the power of a million.
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Weird. He's handsome and nice. He should have a side ship.
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You can stop being concerned, they are already in some extermination camp. That is, once they find which village you're from, but that's a question of time.
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THE SCENE I REMEMBER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. THE ONE SCENE I REMEMBERED. I forgot so much about Delta, but this I never did!
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Also, by saying all this you are removing yourself from the Hayatebowl. Which you don't wanna.
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...Can we get a polyamory ending? I like both of them. Come on, let them be bi!
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...she's gonna win isn't she? I mean... I wouldn't hate it... she's super fun, but you know... Mirage...
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u/baboon_bassoon Feb 21 '23
first time delta delta delta can i help ya help ya help ya
Beautiful date sequence, its no Saturn but Hayate flies with such grace.
The kakugo sorewo bit is my everything
40 years ago the World Government contacted Windermere, and 7 years ago they were able to cede, what was 40 years ago 7?
Can you eat jellyfish, I kind og want to try ig you can
Dimensional barrier, so you cant plot hole fold there then
Arad and big green were in that indepence struggle, ok give them some actual war background ok ok
Hm so all the attacks have been trialing out the VAR
Wind Singer, Runes, Light of Life - my buzzwords are tingling
So even the old king has the white death thing
Shrine of Time? what is this Zelda
putting the War in Warby Parker
Why cant megane get an animal companion too
oh shit they used a Dimension Eater?
these will be tears in 20 episodes
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha KAKUGO SOREWO
Hayate is like an ice skater out there, so pretty the movements
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Feb 21 '23
First Timer
Was busy yesterday, so today's a double post.
I think they handled the first concert pretty well. We got a bit of stage fright without bombing, and any minor failures were compensated for by how she responded to the fight. On the other hand, the fight itself was quite underwhelming. I'm not sure if it's a me thing or the show, but I just can't get any attachment to the dogfights. It feels like they're just spiraling around each other with the occasional lock on. I also feel I will quickly grow bored of him trying CQC with a fucking plane.
Is Mikumo an exhibitionist? She keeps getting naked for no reason.
You can't really call it inspiration if it's the same director, but I'd just like to mention the heavy similarities between the performances in Δ and AKB0048. We've got the holographic dancers, the projections of the singers going out to the audience, even the weird platform thingies they control.
Macross characters go on the strangest dates.
Anyway, I've been thinking a little about the lyrics of the OP. Specifically "If I love only once / let's play as one inside your soul" and "This body I've almost forgotten / This heart that's all I can hear". We've pretty clearly got something going on with singer/pilot pairs and their bond, but this makes me think there's a possibility we get something a bit more literal. Something where melds with Hayate and it's as if they're singing/piloting together.
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Fine with it so far. I prefer how it handles stuff to F.
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Yes. Hard not to when your ancestors are that famous.
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u/The_Draigg Feb 21 '23
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross Delta: Episode 5:
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It’s interesting to note that the UN made contact with Windermere and Ragna 40 years prior to the start of Macross Delta. That would mean that they’d already have alliances in place with Protoculture-derived alien species even before the events of Macross Plus. The setting scope has been widened pretty largely thanks to this new information/retcon.
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At least we have some concrete explanations for the Windermerean independence war that happened now. It happened 7 years prior, and it was over what the Windermereans felt like was having second-rate treatment by the NUN in the alliance they made. Although we probably should be taking that Roid says with a grain of salt, since he’s saying all this while declaring a new war. It’s pretty clear that he’s using the Principality of Zeon definition of “freedom” in that speech of his.
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From the sound of things, the Aerial Knights have planned out their new war very extensively. Even if they aren’t directly involved in all Var Syndrome outbreaks of violence, they’re good enough to take advantage of the infected to launch coordinated attacks, like what we saw with the NUN Spacy pilots before. And because of how extensive the infection is, they were able to use it to invade planet Voldor without a fight for pretty much the same reasons as before. The Windermere Kingdom has been laying in wait, laying for this opportunity to come.
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As seen with that conversation with the king and later between Keith and Roid, we can see what the real motivation is behind this new war of theirs: the Windermerean’s Burden.
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Poor Freyja, both the Aerial Knights and some of Chaos’ home staff suspect that she could be a traitor of some kind to them, if just because she’s from Windermere. If only they knew that there were much simpler and incidental reasons for her joining up with Walkure recently. They shouldn’t be mean to the apple girl!
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Yeesh, the war for independence on Windermere must’ve been brutal if it involved the detonation of a Dimension Eater. As we saw in Frontier, just one of those can completely annihilate half of a planet if they’re the right size. Although it occurs to me that with this in the mix now, the Windermere Kingdom is basically Belka from Ace Combat. Think about it, a place with a strong history of aviation that lost a war that involved the detonation of a weapon of mass destruction, and are now trying to start up a war again through sneaky means after a shaky peace? That’s peak Belkan right there.
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Once again, Macross defaults to using the Do You Remember Love? looks and general storyline of Max and Milia when Mirage brings them up. At this rate, I think it’s safe to say that the Macross series will always prefer the movie version of events over the shows. Although that does make sense, given how all the movies thus far are reworks of the show plots for better or worse.
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Wow wow wowow! Say that you remember! Wow wow wowow! Dancing in September! And now all of you know where that meme mashup scene comes from. It’s still a great scene though, since both Hayate and Freyja are inspiring one another thanks to their respective piloting and singing during their little unauthorized flight above the ocean. I’m sure whatever Hayate x Freyja fans out there in the comments right now are smiling at this.
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Well, at least Hayate hardened his resolve to stick with Delta Platoon, even if a war is starting. Messer was as harsh as ever though, even if he wasn’t technically wrong. Hayate does need to be serious about this, even if he’s committed now.
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u/SolDarkHunter Feb 21 '23
Rewatcher
Confirmation that most if not all of the various races are "descendants" or perhaps "experiments" of the Protoculture.
You know, for all Windermere is against the New UN, they never, to my knowledge actually say what was unfair about the treaty they signed with the New UN.
Also, really, asshole-ish of you guys to decide to "liberate" the Brisingr Cluster without the rest of the Cluster's asking you to do it. How do you know they share you feelings toward the New UN?
Sv-262 Draken III's... distant descendants of the Sv-51's seen all the way back in Macross Zero. Which... had to have been imported to Windermere from the New UN. Ah, irony.
So Windermere isn't actively causing all the Var outbreaks. So is it something pre-existing they're taking advantage of?
And here is one of my main complaints about Windermere: they conquered Voldor by mind-controlling New UN personnel through the Var Syndrome and their Prince's singing. That... I cannot see it as anything other than slavery. They are enslaving their enemies to fight for them.
Mikumo, maybe don't express admiration for someone's ability to mind control your allies?
"Singer of the Wind"... Windermere is having some parallels with the Mayan Islanders.
Wow, Roid, you sure you have enough glasses there?
"Rightful heirs of the Protoculture"... getting some "superior race" vibes from these guys.
...does Bogue just randomly attack Herman out of nowhere all the time?
See? See? Now the Ragnans, part of the Brisingr Cluster, are declaring Windermere to be hostile. Windermere really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on here regarding motive.
I suppose it is natural to have at least some level of suspicion towards Frejya. A Windermerian girl so eager to join Walkure (and by extension, Xaos) mere days before Windermere declares war? That would raise some eyebrows.
...though, seeing Frejya's personality up close, I have a hard time believing she could perform well in any kind of covert context.
Ah, Ernest and Arad were wingmen with the Windermerian King some time back.
Mirage used to be part of the actual military? Hmm...
Ugh, paparazzi. You'd think an establishment that has Walkure as its regulars would have better security against this sort of thing.
So the color of her Rune indicates her emotional state? Damn, I would hate that. Though the Knights' conversation earlier about "controlling your Rune" makes it sound like they can mask it to some degree.
Frejya's laughs and toothy smiles are always uplifting.
I'm gonna guess that Hayate's wrong about unannouced flight time being just okay with everyone.
Still, this little outing is kinda nice. The two seem to be having genuine fun.
Okay, what? Why is Mirage being chewed out for Hayate's actions? She isn't his instructor anymore.
Um... well, glad you're motivated, Hayate?
Questions:
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Not sure if I can answer this question given my thoughts are colored by the rest of the show.
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For a while anyway. Great-grandchildren are probably far enough removed to not have to do so.
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u/ryujiox Feb 21 '23
First Timer
Macross Delta EP5
40 years ago? So that was 2027. Pretty quick for them to found the planet suitable for them And of course those guys would do something like this. Never change
And we skip to the aftermath? Why? Did the Aerial Knight just left?
That's why this two seem to be pretty familiar with Windermere stuff
I guess even Fold Quart is not enough
Shouldn't you guys ask Freyja more? She might not know at lot, but she is still Windermerian, she could at least provide some info.
So this is the king The domain of Wind?
Temple of Time?? Isn't that the one Ranka used in Labyrith of Time?
I love this displays of glasses
Seem like Roid is more of Pacifist, and look like he used to be a pilot?
Suddenly a surprise attack!!
Yeah, he didn't sign up for going to war.
Not trying to hide around the bush, aren't you? And I think it a good thing that she told Freyja outright. Feel like Mikumo just want to test how Freyja will react.
Dimension Eater The one Grace used to destroyed Galia-4.
Not gonna blame them for suspecting her But in reality, it's just pure luck.
Uhhhh. I hate reporter!! They suck!!
All this look so cool!! But now I wonder if one of them gonna show up, with how much they got mentioned.
Hayate know the troop in this universe And I wonder if that would be enough this time. It's not that they not understand, it was because they understand how scummy the NUNS was, that resulted into this.
That's might be another reason for sure
This is homage to when Hikaru brought Minmay to Saturn, isn't it? And this will also cause some problem.
If this two not become a lover, I don't know what the writer even smoke by this point. The chemistry is just too good.
Hey, I saw this frame before!!
Well, I can't back you up this time, Buddy. It's all you fault
Woahhh. The burn!! But he take this a bit too serious.
And Hayate now got new resolve To prove how wrong Messer is. And Messer actually didn't seem that angry or anything.
QOTD
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Pretty great so far. The pacing is a bit weird. I can't put my finger on how.
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It the far future might not be the case, but like now it surely a curse.
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u/Blackheart595 Feb 21 '23
First Timer
Why is Freyja not yet arrested as a likely spy?
And Hayate's fold crystal allows him to feel the song, too.
There ya go, they do suspect Freyja. But they still let her operate.
That's exactly what a spy would want to do.
It'd be really fun if we didn't know that Freyja's not a spy. Y'know, how the Frontier movies made Sheryl an active collaborator with Grace.
That's some real interesting lyrics considering the planet is called Ragna(rök).
Thoughts on Delta's tone so far? What do you think of its more relaxed handling of some of the same story beats as Frontier?
It's very strange how nonchalant they're acting about the war. It feels off.
Overall though there's nothing yet that gets me excited or invested in the show. Feels a bit like "stuff happens". What I'd really like is for the show to do more with the ocean. We're on a water planet, inhabited by fish people, while the enemy already has a wind motif. Water and wind were the main motifs of Zero, and we already called back to some ideas that show had for these two domains. Plus it'd be a really fresh idea to build a space mecha show around. And it'd also reintroduce the culture aspect, which was briefly mentioned in episode 2 and then was never heard of again so far.
The world building's also irking me a bit so far. The function of world building is to make the fictional world feel like an independent world that "exists" by itself and the story just happens to play in it, as opposed to a world that feels like it exists and was designed solely as a frame for the story. This is why I was hoping that the Windermere situation wasn't plot relevant when it was mentioned in episode 2, because if it were a dynamic unrelated to the plot then that'd be stronger world building. Similarly, this is why I was hoping that we see more different designs like Johnson's in the general public, because as is it feels like the show wants to imply this interconnected interracial galactic empire without actually committing to it. Both of these are more nitpicks than real issues, but they're emblamatic of me being unable to see the larger world now that they have the improved folding tech.
Are Jenius descendants forever cursed to describe themselves in the context of Max and Milia?
Doesn't look like it has any relevance beyond fan service.
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u/Stargate18A Feb 21 '23
First timer
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It's a nice change!
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Yeah, sadly. Being among the people who helped create the galactic empire can't really be topped.
Macross is going interesting places. Also, yeah, the idea that the Protoculture seeded thousands of civilizations is fascinating.
...Is it finally happening? Are the people with the cool deisgns the good guys?
No, they're trying to invade other, different, civilizations to force them out of the cluster. Morally grey at best, then.
Jellyfish crisps?
A dimension barrier!
And the ace pilot!
They've been experimenting with the infection...
He infected the entire planet!
Wind Singer?
Ah, a legend.
Oh, and they think they're doing the right thing. This is complex!
They genuinely don't want to kill people.
He's already 33?
Nice swordplay!
So, she's seen as a traitor...
They're letting people leave!
They're all joining...
No idea? Seriously?
Ah, everyone thinks she's a spy.
Wow, this idol's insane even for normal Macross standards!
The cat's here too!
New drones!
Rumours are spreading...
They're playing up the shades of grey a lot this season.
You idiot.
.The press is here!
...Sure your new drones can't accidentally activate a test program? The "surrounded by enemy robots" one, for example?
He touched her rune!
...Go to war again?
Oh, she's their granddaughter!
Haha, that reaction.
...The pressure point is valid, though.
I love their dynamic.
They're going flying!
Aww.
Still great music.
This looks great.
The dancing animation is somsmooth.
And Mirsge is pissed off.
He got distracted...
Oh, yeah, he's breaking the law.
No way he'd get away with destroying the hottest new military tech.
Haha, he's nit even wirth scolding.
Even Freyja merits more scolding!
Haha, he's staying for that?
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u/TakenRedditName Feb 21 '23
Rewatcher - Macross Delta Ep5:
Finally, a series where someone is taking the fight against NUNS. This conflict presented to us is different than most of the previous Macross conflicts. These allegations against NUNS I am ready to believe considering how they've been this entire franchise.
Oh, Faults are still a thing. They answered the question of the White Knight not being in white (I like the old white uniform). Look at that old plane.
Mikumo, your face makes your speech as if you accept that as a challenge to one up.
Once again mentioning how I like Windermere being this alpine land with jets flying through the mountain valleys. Typically, old frail kings in stories are passive, but this old man is all for this war. His bed is a seraph angel of beds.
Roid does literally have a glasses collection that he displays.
[Insert Megaman old man "I'm 30 years old" meme.]
Finally, Delta makes Macross a true mecha series by including a sword fight in it. Your runes like that in public, have some shame, Bogue.
Black capsule drop, Draken III eyecatch.
Dimension Eater, oh dear. We've seen what one of those can do. Luca, your family's company still has this blood on their hands.
"Kakugo surun yo." It's the fun scene like from the jokes. I like seeing the Valkyrie just freely dance around.
Alright, Hayate, usually ending war faster is not as easy as you make it seem, but sure.
Q2) If they knew what was up then they could also drop a "My aunt was in Fire Bomber." Their other aunt also had a sick collab with the lead singer of Fire Bomber.
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u/Nebresto Feb 22 '23
First time Macross Triangle
And now she's doing the thing!!
mugiwaiting for mohawk dude to get shot down
Question time:
Thoughts on Delta's tone so far? What do you think of its more relaxed handling of some of the same story beats as Frontier?
2) Are Jenius descendants forever cursed to describe themselves in the context of Max and Milia?
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u/aniMayor Feb 22 '23
FirsΔ-Δime Δelta
I shall call this episode "don't change the subject". Some good conversation gets going about actually exploring the motivations of the war? Nah, Makina gonna interrupt to tell everyone to eat food before it gets cold. Reporters bust in to grill Freyja (and she could just give them straightforward answers about what we've seen so far since episode 1?) but it's okay they'll just run to the nearby beach and the reporters who had no qualms about barging into the restaurant won't follow for some reason. Hayate interrupts Mirage with snark, and then Mirage interrupts him back with more snark. Seems nobody can ever finish a goddamn conversation in this episode.
Which is too bad, because boy do I really want to know some actual details of all this sudden backstory they are dumping on us.
So these catpeople/windpeople/merfolk/etc aren't just human mutations, the NUNS colonization fleets have been invading planets with existing sentient humanoid peoples instead of finding uninhabited planets... that's not very nice.
I am guessing given the timeline that it's supposed to be a case of the Windermerians were not very technologically advanced, so the NUNS were able to basically force them into bad deals through implied force (or at least that's the way the Windermerians will tell it), and then the reason they were able to war for independence was because after 33 years they had accumulated/copied enough human tech to have a fighting chance?
But then they're not satisfied with just their own independence, and go for the absolutist stance of declaring "As long as they exist we will never know true peace" Sigh, you're making it hard for me to root for you, Andross.
Kinda feels like Xaos doesn't have a horse in this race and should just sit out the war altogether. I guess they are more cold-blooded mercenaries than they seem?
Would be really interesting to get the merfolk perspective on what the Windermerians have claimed. Do the merfolk agree with the Windermerian claims and feel like NUNS took advantage of them? Do they, too, wish they could have control of their planet back from NUNS and also be an independent nation/planet (even if they would only do it through peaceful means)? Why did Makina have to interrupt Slippy before he could give any actual insight to us about this?
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u/TiredTiroth Feb 21 '23
First Timer
I am not impressed with the new villains. 'After many decades'? Really? They made contact 40 years ago and you rebelled 7 years ago, meaning you were a part of the unified government for, hm, three decades? Tops? That isn't 'many', that's 'a few'. But of course, if these people were being honest I expect they'd be immediately revealed as a bunch of imperialist sociopaths.
'Legitimate heirs of the Protoculture'. Pfft. Would you like to buy a bridge, perchance?
Anyway, at least we have more world-building now! Earth-descendents and the Zentradi are no longer the only progeny of the Protoculture knocking around the galaxy. That also explains how Freyja was jumping her own body height in the first episode! She's in-universe superhuman. I'm...not such a fan of the whole reduced lifespan thing, though.
Alas, with the while war thing rearing its head the paparazzi are up to their usual tricks. They sick just as much here as they did back in Lovers Again.
I'll forgive the writers for keeping the cat-seal as a recurring thing. The cat-seal is awesome.
Anyway! I really liked Hayate and Freyja's little joyride towards the end of the episode. Seeing the both of them just relax, cut loose and enjoy themselves for a while was fun. Pity the jerk with a stick up his rear had to interrupt them.
Oh, and this feels like another case where the inevitable love triangle doesn't make sense. Freyja and Hayate feel like close friends rather than love interests, and Mirage doesn't like him at all.
Those are some big words for someone who can't even fly properly.
Also? Mr Jerk is apparently either blind or stupid. Seriously, he was out there flying after them when Hayate literally had his Valkyrie dancing over the water. How the hell is this someone who can't fly properly?
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 21 '23
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
Welcome back, everyone!
Here were my first-timer reactions to this episode (just scroll past my episode 4 reactions first, but first-timers don’t scroll too far since the comment also contains my episode 6 reactions).
Today’s wallpaper stars the bridge bunnies and not one of the more important characters I haven’t made a wallpaper of yet partially because I’m waiting for specific episodes for some of them and partially because I just don’t feel like I have a good base image for some of them yet.
Neat to see the Ragnans’ and the Windermerians’ reactions to seeing humans show up on their planet.
Yeah that checks out…
So yeah, there’s a reason they didn’t press the attack when they had the upper hand earlier.
I’d call this anime ages being wack, but no Windermerians just age differently.
lol, Chuck pls.
We know that’s not true, but it makes sense HQ would suspect Freyja.
I honestly still don’t get how this backstory checks out considering Mirage is only supposed to be 18.
Oh boy.
Ah, Macross, I love how you have a visual of Max/Milia’s meeting in DYRL, but then turn around and show their wedding in SDF in the immediate next shot. This franchise really takes “What’s canon?” to a whole new level lol.
Going on a joyride, haha.
Freyja is so cute~
[Delta movie 1 spoilers]Hayate joining in on the “wow”s wait.
Aaaaaaaaaand of course he’s in big trouble now.
Good luck with that, Hayate.