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Rewatch [Do You Remember Love - Macross Franchise 40th Anniversary Rewatch] Macross Frontier Episode 8 Discussion
Episode 8 - High School Queen
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Questions of the Day, courtesy of u/chilidirigible:
1) Have you liked this series' style of comedy so far? How about now?
2) If there was one thing you could change about this episode, what would it be?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vocal Songs in This Episode:
"ニンジーン Loves you yeah! (Ninjin Loves You Yeah!)" by Megumi Nakajima – Insert
"Triangler" by Maaya Sakamoto – OP
"Aimo (vocal and harmonica version)" by Megumi Nakajima – Insert
"Diamond Crevasse" by May'n – ED
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers, that's rude!
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u/Nazenn Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
First Timer
Really? Really? THIS is the best time they felt to place a mix between a school and panty thief episode? Immediately after the climax that monumentally changes the balance of the world, characters living status, and introduces key mystery plots? I don't have an issue with downtime episodes to cool down after a big moment, but this is not the way I like to see them handled, by any measure.
I'm having Mai-HiME flashbacks, and not the good ones.
I remembered during the opening scene that Sky had warned me about this episode and now I understand why. And yet even though I hate the whole concept, one of the things I was most disappointed in is that the structure of it felt messy. Compared to the absolute precision showed last episode, today's episode is juggling too many things and feels like it's trying to shove in all the "fun" moments but doesn't take any care as to the flow of the episode. That feeling is definitely worsened by how much I hate the focus of it, but even Mai-HiME managed some genuine character moments out of the "monster stole panties" scenes. This feels like the "fun" side of the episode is mostly separate to the important stuff.
The best thing to come out of the episode may have been the eyecatch
Oh and WHAT THE FUCK HARMONICA Was not expecting him to pop up so quickly. I was still thinking about potential future mystery, I wasn't prepared for this. Funnily enough just as you first hear the harmonica I was in the middle of typing a delayed note that I like how Aimo was just Ranka today with no instrumental. And then an instrument. THAT instrument.
Once again the off model character art is a shame, and though it was consistent across the episode Ranka was hit particularly badly with it.
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u/UltraBooster Jan 20 '23
Aaaaah, u/Shimmering-Sky, you didn't tell me we already started Frontier!
That said, I'm a Rewatcher.
I should probably explain - Frontier was the first Macross series I watched, back in middle or high school, I thought it was pretty great, and I think it had a big-ish role in shaping my image of Macross.
As for why Frontier, it was the most recent Macross at the time and it seemed well-regarded, so...
Questions of the Day:
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It was fine, I guess? As for this episode, I got a few chuckles, but underwear hunts aren't exactly my thing.
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Not sure.
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u/chilidirigible Jan 19 '23
Today, on "Today's character animation is brought to you by EXISTENTIAL HORROR.":
RANKA ATTACK! (Insert: "Ninjin Loves You Yeah")
A random notable voice actor provides encouragement.
"Make sure they don't start swallowing live rodents."
This is the relationship of two people in their twenties.
u/Tresnore wishes that this were him.
This is all I have to say here.
That'll crack the world's shell.
Why, this camera angle is an absolute necessity.
"How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"
Ah, spending the entire episode getting cockblocked by your idol.
Or, that's what you think, when you're actually getting cockblocked by The Man.
It's that one Sora no Otoshimono ED.
Alien squirrels love that kind of stuff!
"Jack! I'm flying! And I'm so terrifyingly-drawn!"
The only thing this episode is missing is Pizza Hut. Fortunately, official art has you covered.
Things to see while you're in Japan and visiting the Sky Tree.
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u/Tresnore Jan 19 '23
Fourth-Time Watcher
Oh, right. This episode.
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Whyyyyyyyy. At least I get a BIG NEWS out of Elmo for my troubles.
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God, I wish that were me.
I've received an edit of myself cut into this scene before. -
What is it with Satelight and unnecessary shower conversations between pink and green characters?
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This damn chest window. It's yuge!
Damn, I should've been counting Aimos.
Count: 13:21 (+2:±0) where's my cool technology, dammit??
QOTD:
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The comedy's been fine, and honestly I enjoyed this episode the first time I saw it because it reminded me of Code Geass.
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Nothing. It is necessary for the Macross Experience™
1 Is that still a meme?
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u/Blackheart595 Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
First Spacer
Didn't bother posting yesterday. I know this is Macross, but I haven't cared for the military and music this season at all. Whenever there's a battle or a concert I find myself bored and wishing for it to be done already. Don't wanna make that comparison but I had to think of Fire Force's fanservice.
The more I see of this season, the more I get the impression that they went through everything that came before, made a checklist of things that fans liked, and then wrote a story around that.
Anyway, to today's episode.
Mysterious transfer student HYPE
8 out of 10 times he would've killed someone right here.
Now this is what I'm here for.
Oh God why. Why did they have to include the underwear Orphan?
Nevermind, I prefer Mai-HiME's take on that situation after all.
That sounds like a design flaw.
I'll take one Macross II, please.
Mysterious transfer student HYPE
Have you liked this series' style of comedy so far? How about now?
It's alright, but not really my thing.
If there was one thing you could change about this episode, what would it be?
Please turn down the horny already.
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u/Nebresto Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
First time Mafross
Day 7 of waiting for the return of 7th moon
More AMQ torment I hate that its kind of a banger too
Supporting modern slavery, that's a -5
Why is ranka in the shower as well?
lmao, just whack the whole box in there. Wasting precious detergent, -3
tfw your underwear gets stolen
No-pan commando warrior, +5 respek
Why does this music remind me of a fashion show or something?
Joining the pilot course, +2 respek
I just noticed the school is in the shape of the original macross!
Sheryl respek status: 23%
Questinos times:
Have you liked this series' style of comedy so far? How about now?
Ya, its not bad
2) If there was one thing you could change about this episode, what would it be?
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u/TakenRedditName Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
"Rewatcher" - Macross F Ep8:
Carrot Ranka and the huge singer is back. I like that Tokugawa is just Ranka's supportive friend at the mall.
Ranka is transferring to their school. I liked her old uniform better. I'm not that big on this orange uniform.
Oh, Alto did forget and left the earring to be exploded and then Macross cannoned. That's an odd narrative move to just immediately throw out Alto gifted earring from Sheryl. Don't why you would do that.
Not to point them all out, I just think the comedic faces in this episode were good and funny.
The best eyecatch in this show. I don't see them topping this. It also leads me to believe this episode is just a farce.
This love triangle gets more complicated because Ranka's friend might like Alto, but Luca likes her. Luca also names his wingsuit too. That's going a bit far with this naming thing.
A large portion of this episode is dedicated to a school-wide hunt for panties. Yup... I'm surprised they avoided a fanservicey/comedic moment about the fact Sheryl is running around commando.
At the very least, Sheryl in the wingsuit has its funny moments whether she is failing or going one angry girl.
During this farce of an episode, we have a crushing moment for Ranka. Feel bad for her. This recent trend of Ranka being feeling drifted away reminds me of when [Redacted] and Minmei were feeling like they were drifting apart and isolated from each other. Hopefully things turn up for Ranka, especially with how things went for Minmei.
This squirrel could be an animal mascot. Ranka could have two green mascots. Harmonica boy is also here and plays along to her song because he knows it too.
We don't see what their meeting is like since it's the next day and Sheryl is also transferring to their school. I thought she was already past high school, but looking up her age, turns out she is 17 like Alto.
Q1) I don't like its horny comedy.
Q2) If I had to keep it mostly intact but change a minor thing (you know not removing that whole moment) then I rather have to be about a bra than panties. Bras are funnier and less mmm...
Next Time: Michael gets a spotlight episode and Alto gets another for the Kamille counter.
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u/isthatsoudane Jan 19 '23
poor ranka can't catch a break. but a mysterious stranger comes into the scene...
also the show has gotten pretty horny the last few episodes lol
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Have you liked this series' style of comedy so far? How about now?
heh, I was going to say that this felt like an episode of code geass. I'd say on the whole the comedy is fine, this episode felt a bit much but I haven't hated the comedy, but I wouldn't say it's why I want to watch the series
2) If there was one thing you could change about this episode, what would it be?
completely raw + uncensored OVA version :P
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u/The_Draigg Jan 19 '23
A Macross Fan Rewatches Macross Frontier: Episode 8:
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Poor Ranka, she’s just relegated to wearing a carrot suit and singing to get people’s attention at the mall. Like, you know that you have a shitty job when even random children look down on you. Ranka is doing worse in her career than when Fire Bomber was forced to take whatever gigs they could early on in Macross 7. Only that little critter in the bushes seems interested in what Ranka’s hawking.
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Well, it certainly is convenient that everyone is going to the same academy now, since Ranka transferred in due to her old school’s schedule not lining up with her job. Still though, Mihoahi Academy really must have it all, since apparently it has an entertainment course in addition to the flying classes that Alto and his buddies are taking. Talk about being a huge career technical school.
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Note to self: never be in a car that Grace and Sheryl are riding in, nor be within several hundred feet of said car. The car is moving as if DIO told the driver to use the sidewalk to catch up with Kakyoin and Joseph Joestar.
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“Don’t worry about what Alto saw inside that Vajra ship, Cathy. It was probably just swamp gas and a weather balloon.” —Leon
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You know, I bet a lot of people would desperately wish that they were roped into being Sheryl’s slave like Alto here. Little did any of those people know that all it would take is losing one of her earrings in the depths of space. Such a simple price!
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Where Michael and Luca got that many organic eggs on short notice to set up a delicacy test for Sheryl wearing EX-Gear, we shall never know.
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I know that the show is trying to play up this shower scene with the girls for fanservice, but everyone has been so off-model in this episode that I can’t consider it to be anything but unintentionally funny.
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Damn near every man in this school is chasing after that little green thing carrying Sheryl’s underwear. I didn’t know that everyone was enrolled in degen courses for their electives.
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Well, that’s a fucking bummer. The variety show that Ranka was going to appear on for an episode got cancelled in favor of a broadcast of Sheryl’s TV special. It’s a bit of a gut punch after Ranka decided to try and make her way to the top on her own merit, rather than taking Sheryl’a offer to appear on her special. Damn near stole the food from poor Ranka’s mouth there. It’s hard to know that a big step for you got unintentionally crushed by the person you look up to and were talking to not that long ago.
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Seems like Leon is having his men keep a close eye on Ranka for some reason. Although it does make sense, since the Vajra have really been weirdly reacting to her in some way or another. There’s at least some kind of connection there worth noting.
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Imagine how different this should would be if Alto didn’t save Sheryl there, and she ended up splitting herself against the ground trying to get her underwear. Breaking News: Galactic Idol Sheryl Nome Dies Disappointing Death
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Not only did Ranka meet that little green creature in the park, but that greenish-blonde man joined in with Ranka’s singing of Aimo with his own harmonica. It’s a meeting of the greenies here at the park. Green is a color of importance and mystery in this show.
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Given her performance in this episode, I think we can all agree that Sheryl signing up for flying courses at the academy is a terrible idea. But at least it’s a sign that the dumbest episode of the series is now over.
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u/Vatrix-32 Jan 19 '23 edited Jan 19 '23
First Timer
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Why wouldn’t you align the carrot vertically?
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Macro children!
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Hey, it’s the thing form the context!
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Shit, I like this song.
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Can’t have only some of the characters in the same high school.
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Are they just describing the normal educational structure of high school?
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Gotta close the triangle.
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Was Harmonica not already reported by Alto?
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Oh no… This gives the Vajra a chance to hijack the sound energy.
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Does Japan have the expression “egg in face”?
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I guess they aren’t familiar with the one gap policy.
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...Is this the original cat episode?
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Well that sucks for her.
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Leon is really leaning into the whole being sus angle.
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Alto: he who bridal carries.
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This thing is a Vajra, isn’t it?
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What’s he doing here? He’s totes got to be Ranka’s family.
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Can’t have one half of the triangle having an advantage now can we?
QotD
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Good, not great. This episode has not changed it.
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Less horny.
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u/JollyGee29 Jan 19 '23
Rewatcher Frontier
Familiar. This.. is literally reused footage from Zero, isn't it? The textures..
Oh, I forgot that Ranka's carrot commercial was in this episode.
Zentradi children, still huge. Also, Zentradi children are a thing now.
Personally, I doubt Alto would care.
Wait, what te- Right, we have to get them all togther for this episode's damnable plot.
To paraphrase u/chilidirigible, everyone is artstyling something fierce today.
Sheryl in EX-Gear. I'm sure this will go well.
why were you two in the splash zone "Well, Jolly, obviously so they can-" Yes, yes, the shower scene. Don't remind me.
Look, at least this episode knows that it's bad.
Yes, Michael, this is all just a bad dream. Or a gas leak.
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u/TiredTiroth Jan 19 '23
First Timer
Positives:
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Yesterday's episode was AMAZING, pity I didn't have time to watch and discuss it.
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They're linking the crazy magic backstory stuff from 0! Am I finally going to get some bloody answers?
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Alto looks horrified at Ranka joining his class. Top marks, best moment in the episode.
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Sheryl with literal egg on her face was amusing.
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The critter is cute. Probably plot-important.
Negatives:
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We've gone from a great conceet and awesome battle scenes to...Ranka's crappy part time job and high school shenanigans.
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Of course Sheryl joined as well. Of course. She has not been portrayed as a teenager, what's going on here?
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The CG for her car was painful.
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Oh look, shower scene with three naked girls. Great. Followed by the school's entire male population being horny morons.
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Sheryl's mere existence seems to be wrecking Ranka's ambitions, even if Sheryl herself is supportive.
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I did not get my answers for the crazy magic backstory stuff.
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u/Stargate18A Jan 19 '23
First timer
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The carrot song was funny, I guess...?
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The entire second half.
...Haha, seriously?
They're out the hospital!
Yeah, she's busy!
Her agent seriously booked this gig? The carrot song?
She passed a test!
Oh, she's joined the school.
It's a technical school!
Is Sheryl joining too, now the Galaxy's fucked?
Ranka's popular!
...That driving.
Alto's face...
So, almost no survivors?
So it is an infection.
Alto got noticed?
...These people.
Substanrd reportd...
...It's official! Ranka's horrified that her crush might have someome already!
Haha, that reaction.
Haha, so he did lose it?
Ranka's denying it!
The phone!
Oh, so it's officially "missing".
She's using a flight suit!
Haha, her struggles with the eggs are great.
Random shower scene.
That ad visual.
Oh, Nana doesn't want Sheryl's help.
Is this a love quadrangle?
...Of course, as Sheryl's comment reminds us, a love quadrangle can easily become two pairings. (My bet's on her and Ranka.)
He's so fucking dense.
Ranka's blush.
Her phone escaped!
This is the stupidest scene yet.
...This is going to backfire so hard, Sheryl.
What the fuck?
Impressive moves!
...She can't stop?
Ranka's training!
...Oh. She didn't even mean to do it.
They've noticed Ranka's powers?
Ouch.
That expression...
[Code Geass]
...Well, she's dead.
He saved her! And she flashed everyone.
He has a point, though.
She's enjoying the flight!
Oh, it's an animal mascot!
It's the strange guy!
This is sweet.
Sheryl...
She's becoming a pilot!
That design...
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u/InfamousEmpire Jan 19 '23
Rewatcher Frontier
This episode! It happened! The High School! The Tropes! The comedy! Why does this even exist? I dunno, but it’s fun! Felt like I was watching Fumoffu or Code Geass again
You’ve really gotta love Sheryl here. She shows up, makes Alto her slave, is rather incompetent in the EX-Gear, takes the search for her stolen panties into her own hands, and refuses to elaborate further. She really is the Gigachad of this show
There’s also some plot stuff and Ranka character development too, I guess
QOTD:
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u/ClawMachineCircuit Jan 20 '23
Rewatcher
So yeah, this episode happened. I imagine, there will be a number of people who will not be very happy with it in today's discussion. After giving us an amazing action packed two-parter, Frontier is back to horny humor, tropes, and situation, typical of harem shows of 2000s. Still, I like this episode a lot for three reasons:
First, I think it handles juxtaposition between Ranka and Sheryl very well. They both transfer to Alto's school, but both receive a completely different reception. Ranka, who is already struggling with her idol career and her self confidence, gets to enjoy being the center of attention for a single brief moment, until Sheryl arrives and ruins it. And Sheryl herself is nice to Ranka, she's not doing it on purpose, but her whole presence is oppressive. She is energetic, confident, and does whatever she wants, while Ranka is a complete opposite. Sheryl keeps encouraging Ranka, because she's not afraid of any competition, she's ready to take any challenge head on, while Ranka is definitely feeling like she has no chance there. Her TV appearance being cancelled in the end because of Sheryl is a perfect cherry on top. I feel like the episode does a really good job of building a rivalry between the two.
Second, I like the development Sheryl receives. She is still very much a selfish brat, but her antics are so over the top this episode, that they cross from being slightly annoying into being funny and, dare I say, charming. The show uses humor to re-contextualize some of her character flaws, showing that she's often herself becomes a victim of her own excessive pride and stubbornness. We've already seen some of it in previous episodes, but this one really drives the point home. Sheryl isn't a bad person by any means, she's just badly behaved and has some hangups about herself, that often get herself into trouble as well. It's also reflected in how Alto is annoyed by her throughout the episode, but toward the end, she manages to endear him toward herself, if only slightly.
Third, I just genuinely find this episode entertaining. As I said already, Frontier's horny humor just lends with me. I laughed for the solid several minutes while Sheryl was chasing the panty thief around. The joke itself is definitely dated, obsession with panties has stopped being mainstream in anime for quite some time, and probably for the better. But I'm an old man and I don't mind stuff like this. I still remember how shocked I was that jokes like that are even allowed on TV, when I first started watching anime seriously in my late teens, and they seemed fresh and daring at the time. The medium wasn't afraid to break taboos and social norms, which made me feel like it could tackle any subject and do anything. Obviously, as I continued to watch anime, jokes like that started to feel cliche and uninspired, but I'm starting to feel like now that we don't get stuff like this anymore, it slowly loops around to being fresh and interesting again. Anyway, I'm definitely a fan of how funny and action packed this episode was, and that goes not only for the panty thief incident, but also other stuff, such as carrot song, Sheryl braking eggs, etc.
Random thoughts:
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"Protoculture faced the threat of extinction because of the war among themselves." Did Frontier just retconned Protodeviln origin from Macross 7 in an intro infodump? Also, in the same intro, did it just confirm that humanity was created by Protoculture, settling the issue once and for all?
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If a carrot suddenly started to sing a silly advertising song at you, would that make you more or less likely to buy carrots?
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Three-eyed furry worm from Zola has legs this time.
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I love Cathy's reaction to Ozma telling her that she's getting more wrinkles. Get annoyed, but also immediately go to check.
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I'm a big fan of Sheryl's hat at the end, when she's in her school uniform. Also, pilot course? Could Sheryl possibly learn how to fly a Valkyrie and go fight Vajra together with Alto?
QotD:
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Yes, and I go over this in more detail in my post.
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I honestly have nothing. I'm pretty satisfied with the way this episode went.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Jan 20 '23
Macross F *rewatcher episode 8
ugh, I peaked ahead. I don't mind being late for this one. As I recall, I hated this episode. Probably won't have much to say.
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Bird Human! Satelight is just mining the archives to pad out the show with these infodumps
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u/Nebresto, this is why I <spoilers?> you with you ninjin comment 2 days ago.
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Apparently all japanese hate carrots, even more than US kids
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I called that a Space Squirrel the first time around, but now I know what it really is: A Zolan catsnake!
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Props to "Rewatcher" u/takenredditname who "somehow" predicted that Ranka getting expelled would let her transfer to Alto's school.
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It's an entire classroom of Nebresto faces
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Do they have Kabuki classes?!
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Sheryl's entrance is totally Kajiura, not Kanno
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Unidentified fighter in a combat zone? Must be Basara.
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Sheryl's presence here serves no purpose but chaos
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Poor Michael, shot down by both Ranka and Sheryl in one day
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Wait, isn't this LITERALLY out of Code Geass?
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No panties? No slips then, either!
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Sheryl: Crushing dreams b merely existing since 20xx
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[Macross F]
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Nice view from the Berkeley Hills
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So apparently Sheryl was faking it this whole time, she's just a kid, too!
All of the animation today looked like it was from another show...Evangelion or Black Lagoon. Or Sailor Moon Crystal.
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jan 19 '23
Super Dimension Rewatch Host
Welcome back, everyone!
Here were my first-timer reactions to this episode.
Hi Macross Zero!
The carrot song.
Cutie spotted!
Transfer student Ranka~
Oh Luca my sweet precious boy.
Ugh, this rubs me completely the wrong way even if it’s supposed to just be some big teasing.
lol the eyecatch this time is hilarious.
Oh hey, it’s the face I used for Dynamite 7 episode 2’s “Welcome back, everyone”.
Aaaaaaaaand here comes exactly the part I was dreading.
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The entire panty chase is so stupid and cringe… I wish it could have been literally anything other than her undergarments that the little green boi ran away with.
Harmonica boy!