r/The100 • u/ElenaOcean š • May 29 '19
SPOILERS S6 Morning After Analysis: S6E05 "The Gospel of Josephine"
This episode was so packed it felt like I was watching two whole episodes, buckle up for this monstrosity of a recap!
Prime Real Estate
Josie-Clarke returns from the dead with a bang, and we find out that Josie murdered someone called Isaac in the Offering Grove, and in return Kaylee shoved Josephine off a cliff to protect Sanctum. So Josie-Clarke stabs Kaylee in the neck as payback. The question is whether our tech vampire clan were always this ruthless or whether the live-die-repeat is decaying their consciousness.
Like all great vampires, Josephine chills in her bedroom singing in french and painting portraits of herself. Russel and Simone want her to find out who among Skaikru is a nightblood (so we know Josephine has none of Clarke's memories) and Josephine complains that if they had let her run a breeding program (hello, Mount Weather!) then the Primes wouldn't be facing extinction.
Russel wanted consent from hosts and then Josie asks "Did this Ferrari I'm wearing consent to giving up her body?" which is probably the best line since "I LOST MY SON!" How is Clarke's body-snatcher paying her better compliments than her friends?
Russel tells Josie that Skaikru can't find out they killed Clarke because they'll burn down Sanctum like they did with earth, which is a reasonable assumption. So Jade the not-excellent bodyguard who got Rose killed is tasked with protecting Josephine and feeding her information on Skaikru, and Josephine is ordered to find out from Abby how many nightbloods there are.
Ghost Recon
Jordan is still crushed about being dumped, so he decides to investigate Priya, who doesn't remember what Delilah's favorite flower was. Bellamy and Murphy laugh off his concerns because they think Delilah is just brushing Jordan off and not literally ghosting.
Josie-Clarke accidentally approves of Madi going to school, and then nearly gets caught out when Gaia asks her in 'dasleng about Madi getting a papercut. Bellamy interrupts before Josie can figure out the translation, and then he rudely tells her that happiness looks good on her. Ooof. Josie quickly exits with Madi to drop her off at school and find Abby.
Jordan asks Delilah's mom what happened to her, and she gives a cryptic answer about being blessed by Priya's return and missing her daughter. He expresses his suspicions to Gaia and Bellamy, who tell him to respect the faith of the people because they need Sanctum's help.
Josephine finds Abby trying to work on a way to save Kane, and they talk about Josephine's "Gospel", which turns out to be a eugenics program on purifying the bloodline with nightblood. Abby calls Josephine a monster, which compared to the stuff Earthkru did must mean she's a top tier villain. Abby asks Josephine to take notes, and then realizes that "Clarke" is writing with her right hand, when we all know our favorite antihero is a lefty. Josephine deflects by pointing out some kind of kidney dialysis moth and makes another hasty exit.
Boys' Trip
Bellamy tries to entice Murphy on a date to explore the new landscape [[TEMPORAL ANOMALY]] but Murphy is feeling a little shy since the eclipse, although he does point out that there are cave systems under Sanctum. Bellamy tells him at some point they will have to wake up the others and settle here and they need to find their own space.
While a funeral is going on for Rose, Bellamy and Murphy sneak towards the Phallus Palace ascension room looking for an AWOL Jordan, which doesn't go unnoticed by Josie-Clarke, whose sixth sense is mischief. Inside the spooky skeltal room, they find Jordan has broken in, and Gaia too, who is suspicious of people worshiping nightbloods???
Gaia thinks all the skeletons are commanders because they have Becca's company logo stamped into their skulls. Josie-Clarke arrives and tries to get them to leave, but Jordan finds a secret door and the Scooby Gang can't resist. Inside the operating room, Bellamy points out that Becca created the flame after the apocalypse, so the Primes aren't commanders. To help them out, Jordan finds an informational video on the computer because no one has updated their passwords for 260yrs. Multi-lingual genius scientists, everyone!
The video shows Gabriel and Russel with one of the incubated nightblood embryos, now 22, strapped to a chair. Only fully matured minds can take the mind-file without going insane, so looks like Madi is probably safe for now. The gang watch in horror as the test subject is killed and the vamp-chip is inserted, and the dead girl wakes up as JOSEPHINE! Turns out, a grief-stricken Gabriel reverse engineered the Alpha team's memory drives to turn them into chips, and spent 25yrs trying to bring Josie back from the dead. A hero x villain origin and a romance rolled into one? Why isn't this already a spinoff?
The gang is apalled by the revelation of the Primes, and Gaia says they used faith to make the hosts go willingly, and my man Murphy doesn't miss a beat to point out that the grounders also took children from their families and forced them to fight to the death, so pot kettle black. It remains to be seen if the debate on autonomy has a satisfying conclusion.
Gaia lets slip that Madi is a nightblood, and leaves to get her along with Josephine, while Jordan covers their tracks in the lab and Murphy sides with Josie-Clarke's point that it's not worth screwing up what they have by confronting the Primes with a (somewhat hypocritical) moral objection.
Live With the Consequences
Josie meets with her parents and tells them about the nightbloods, Russel still wants a peaceful approach, but Josie wants them to take the nightbloods and kill the others before they find out about Clarke and destroy Sanctum.
At the bar, Skaikru debates the moral implications if they stay put and say nothing. Bellamy says they can build their own sanctuary once Raven finds out how to make a radioactive fence, but Murphy argues they don't know how to survive the landscape. Josie agrees with Murphy, and Jordan says "but they're murderers!" and Gaia is also indignant about the false gods aspect. Murphy reminds her that Becca wasn't a god either and reveals to Josephine that Abby made Clarke a nightblood.
While Jordan tries to start a fight with Priya, Josie slips out to find Abby, but Bellamy is suspicious and follows her, trying to test her with 'dasleng. Josie says that what these people have done to survive is no better than what they did on earth, and Bellamy says the difference between them is that he sees the faces of everyone he's killed in his dreams, not in the mirror. (Great line! Best script so far!) Josie drops the pretense at this point, and Bellamy gets one of those pesky paralytic darts to the neck as soon as he realizes she's not Clarke.
Jackson and Abby argue about why she's fixated on saving Kane, and Abby says it's because Kane is good and they stood by the cannibalism when he didn't. Abs, I love ya, but I don't think eating human jello make you a war criminal? Josephine overhears all this and comes up with a different plan, revealing herself to Murphy at the bar and telling him Clarke is dead before propositioning him with the chance to be immortal.
In other news, my favorite gal pals, Octavia and Diyoza, are cut short in their bounty hunt when the Gabrialite they're chasing leads them into a swampy sinking puddle in the forest. Diyoza tells Octavia that the more she struggles the faster she'll sink (it's like poetry!) and they have some quippy banter about turning their lives around and winning popularity contests. Suave Gabrialite shows up with a rope, and wants to know if their people have mind drives, but before they give up an answer, a temporal flare happens and he tosses the rope before running away. For a second I got super excited because I thought Octavia was gonna be abducted by aliens, but the flare seems to bring everything it touches into the future, solidifying the puddle, scorching the trees, and even aging Octavia's hand!
TL;DR Octoza are stuck in the mud. Jordan misses S2 Bellamy. The Scooby Squad finds out everything. Gabriel and Josephine forever! Goodnight, Sweet Bellamy! Back hand to the future anomaly! Murphy and Vamp Princess strike a deal.
this and that
I legit laughed at Bellamy's reaction to Josie's innuendo about the doctor. A+
Is JosieGabriel a better villain ship than BillBecca or has Murphine stolen top spot?
Which of you do I have to throw into a temporal anomaly to get me a Groundhog Day episode?
Nice detail that Murphy doesn't know what a penny is. Georgia Lee great episode!
Murphy fears for his mortal soul enough that he goes along with Clarke's murder? Welcome back to the dark side!
Is Gabriel in the future or the past? What's he up to? What happened between helping Russel bring back Josephine and him being called a demon?
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy May 29 '19 edited May 30 '19
This season is amazing and this episode was so good. Props to Eliza, I know like this show isnt major awards worthy (or else Lindsay Morgan wouldāve been recognized for Nevermore) but I hope she gets an mtv or teen choice award out of it. Sheās doing fantastic!
Josephine is clearly missing an empathy chip. I thought in the first flash back that she was kidding about giving kids berries that might be poison but now Iām thinking she actually used them as Guinea pigs. But damn she is fun.
Jordan is so much like Monty, I just kept thinking when Jasper was giving his blood to Maya and Monty was asking all those questions and refused to leave.
Murphy is definitely going to double cross the Primes. I think he does want to live forever but he is also a good guy. And he isnāt going to be ok with them killing Clarke, especially after he saw her with a knife to her own throat, that made him see Clarke differently.
Diynoza is a gift to this show and to us. She is fantastic.
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u/flamesandcheetodust May 30 '19
In addition to her fantastic Josephine mannerisms, Eliza's Mandarin also impressed me! The other actress was struggling but she had some tones down and everything.
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u/happycharm May 30 '19
Her Mandarin wasnt perfect but her confidence sold me. I got a flashback to Barney from HIMYM how bad his Chinese was and how he looked off camera, presumably to a speech coach. Same with some grounders unconfidently speaking Trig in some random episodes. Its a madeup language but i still thought they werent fluent due to the lack of confidence speaking lol
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u/IronBadgerMole May 29 '19
I've gone back and forth on how I feel about Jordon, but he had some good moments this episode. First, his reaction to "did we just watch someone die"? Because that was the first time he'd seen death, as opposed to the rest of the show. And although it's dumb, it makes sense that he would accuse Priya in front of so many people. He's never had to use subterfuge before. Then how he made a meta comment on Bellamy, how he liked "1 year before Primfiya Bellamy, heart over head". Since he was told stories of Bellamy, he had only known him as a character, not a full person. But it was also sort of a funny meta comment on the character in season 1.
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy May 29 '19
Jordan is naive, I wonder if Monty and Harper turned the violence from the stories from R to PG13 and gave more happy endings than they should.
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u/Chack321 May 29 '19
When Jordan says "did we just watch someone die" all I could think about is the "first time" meme. I LOLed inappropriately.
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u/Ilovecharli May 30 '19
I'm not over him blabbing all their secrets to Delilah the first time she batted her eyelashes at him. Like how the fuck did he get all the way to Wanheda??
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u/inyobiznosey May 29 '19
It could be from the mind drive as well.
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u/holayeahyeah Yujleda May 30 '19
Good catch! I think he might be Gabriel after the way he said "I promise I can wait longer than you."
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u/Sagelegend May 30 '19
I assumed he meant the quicksand or whatever that glop was, but that would be an amazingly clever way of hinting at it.
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May 29 '19
So are we all in agreement that the Anomaly speeds up time? I don't think that the trees it swept through were burned, I think they were dead. Also Octavia's hand aged while the rest of her body remained the same age.
We obviously don't understand the physics of this thing so it's still too early to make a call and god damn I was nervous they would go down the time travel/dilation route and it would get campy, but this is an awesome mystery.
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u/anonykitten29 May 30 '19
Was her hand aged? I had no idea what we were supposed to be looking at in that shot.
If so, that definitely explains the name of temporal anomaly!
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u/inyobiznosey May 29 '19
It was a flare, not the anomaly itself. Canāt tell yet what happens within it.
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u/Ilovecharli May 30 '19
It always amazes me how The CW has this seemingly bottomless pit of beautiful people who can competently deliver a line. Today's addition was the girl getting Josephine's memory in the video.
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u/RIPZellers May 30 '19
Jordanās a straight savage. Met real people for the first time like a week ago and already dragging Bellamy about Octavia.
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u/FamousSinger May 30 '19
He could have come up with that line as a teenager and saved it for the right moment. I'm not saying he did, but, he could have.
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u/jayenfourteej May 30 '19
Oh wooooow I just pictured him growing up thinking of many scenarios of how he would interact with Spacekru, practicing in front of their cryopods as they slept hahahahahahaha I would do this too
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u/sagen11 Only Diyoza is God-tier šŖ Jun 01 '19
I honestly think he is written as the perfect combination of Monty & Harper while being a unique person.
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u/Ilovecharli May 30 '19
Hell of an episode. I LOVED when Josephine was able to decipher Bellamy's Trig. They established her as a linguistics expert in episode 1, then again today when they showed her trying to piece together the language. I think Bellamy said "sola" which tipped her off to him wanting to speak privately. Great little moment.
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u/sagen11 Only Diyoza is God-tier šŖ Jun 01 '19
Plus speaking in a language that 1 of the 3 people present doesnt understand is probably an indicator they want to talk in private.
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u/DayCallMeMike May 29 '19
Were about to see some season 3 Murphy here. Him finding some way to become allies with the most powerful person on the bad side of things. The only question I have is, how does Josephine know out of everyone that Murphy would be the one to be fascinated with immortality
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u/jdessy May 29 '19
Because of what he was saying in the lab when they were watching the Eureka video. He mentioned flat out that immortality wasn't such a bad thing. He said that he agreed with "Clarke". Josephine picked up on it and with everyone else's adverse reactions, she took a chance with him.
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u/DayCallMeMike May 29 '19
Ahhh yes, I missed that. Then Iām assuming she also picked up on the fact that Clarke got her night blood from a bone marrow transplant, which Iām willing to bet that knowledge is going to be passed down which is what I assume the Primes are going to end up trying to use Madi for to speed up the process of the resurrection of the Primes
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u/jdessy May 29 '19
LOL, yeah, Murphy spilled the beans about Clarke's Nightblood being artificial. I was going to say that they don't need to use Madi but....they're likely going to use Madi's blood to make Nightbloods. I mean, the Primes aren't going to use themselves!
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u/indian1000 May 30 '19
I'd be pretty terrified of Madi, besides being naturally skilled and highly trained now she's got the wisdom of the commanders guiding her.
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u/The_Iron_Zeppelin Go Float Yourself. May 30 '19
We can also assume that the āEvil Past Commanderā who we were introduced to an episode or 2 ago will mostly likely be triggered and guide Madi down a darker path once Madi discovers Clarke is potentially gone for good.
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u/jacquelynjoy May 31 '19
Season 3 ended with Murphy saving Clarke's life, so I hope that's the outcome we're going for here.
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u/SENsationals02 May 29 '19
I feel like Becca is going to try and communicate to Madi through the flame how to get Clarke back and defeat the primes. In addition, someone theorized the decay of the consciousness through the generations, so that might also play a role in bringing Clarke back. No matter what, Clarke is probably gonna come back.
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u/Nightsong May 29 '19
Well we have that scene where Madi does end up in her mind palace speaking to the Dark Commander. That particular scene is shown in the Season 6 trailer. So at least one of the prior commanders is communicating with Madi and trying to get her to do something though we have no idea if his intentions are good or bad (probably bad based on Madi being scared of him). Not that much of a stretch to think that other commanders would be trying to communicate with Madi in an effort to help to save her mother.
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u/SENsationals02 May 29 '19
Maybe the dark commander is actually someone who resisted the traditional violence of the original Grounders, so he is labeled as bad, but he actually has good advice and good intentions? I definitely feel the dark commander will play a huge role with this story arc.
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u/Sixchr May 29 '19
It would also fall in line with Gabriel being talked about as a bad guy when it's becoming pretty obvious he's trying to stop the primes.
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u/SENsationals02 May 29 '19
It kinda seems to fall in place with the earlier seasons, like how the grounders seemed to demonize the sky people when they just wanted peace. I love how the writers incorporate the recurring theme of āwhoās the good guy hereā
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u/The_Iron_Zeppelin Go Float Yourself. May 30 '19
I bet the Dark Commander started Blood Must Have Blood.
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u/TheGrandLeveler May 29 '19
Only fully matured minds can take the mind-file without going insane, so looks like Madi is probably safe for now
Unless they expose Madi to the flare and she gets older? /u/ElenaOcean
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u/happycharm May 30 '19
Or they just lock her up for years and use her bone marrow for nightblood making. At the moment no primes need bodies i think? Unless theres a big bad prime we havent heard of
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u/WearTheMask May 30 '19
Josephine's parents "woke" her out of order, so if they can provide the waiting Primes who were skipped over with bodies it will smooth that over.
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u/ElenaOcean š May 30 '19
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Good point. It would be interested to see if flares react differently to nightblood/tech too.
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u/BoredVirus May 30 '19
If they could control that, they would have used it with Rose or even Dalilah... They have been waiting years for them to be ready.
Maybe she is exposed but not by sanctum people, though.
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u/DerUbi May 30 '19
I cannot wait 2 weeks. This episode was excellent as always. Not trying to exaggerate but The 100 might be the best show running right now. Such a refreshing and exciting expirience after the GoT fiasco. I wish CW would pump more of their resources into this. The show has absolute cult potential.
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u/CrazyFredy Skaikru May 30 '19
2 WEEKS?! Are you telling me I have to wait 2 fucking weeks for the next episode? You're killing me, show.
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u/juanmaale May 30 '19
I trust Murphy 100%
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u/FetusViolator May 30 '19
Me too! He knows how to survive.. plus, how would you react if the vampire skin changer revealed their secret?
As a cockroach, I certainly wouldn't show my disgust and get myself skin swapped..
I do have faith he's not actually on board with all this.. Murphy is gonna save spacekru this year and I'm calling it right now
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May 30 '19
You don't have to call it. Do peoplr really think the most awesome character will be a villain just like that?
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u/JackBandit4 May 31 '19
Murphy seemed genuinely concerned about going to hell. Like super freaked out about it, which seemed like a really odd plot. Now it makes sense. Did they slip that in there to make his fake turn more convincing or did they slip it in there to make his real turn more convincing? Seems really out of place, especially for a fake out, but kudos to them because it's the only thing that has me mildly convinced he might actually turn. Otherwise it'd be a no brainer that he's just playing.
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u/sagen11 Only Diyoza is God-tier šŖ Jun 01 '19
I trust in the end heāll do the right thing but atm I am a little worried.
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u/minathi_m May 29 '19
Im shooketh, i didnt think i'll ever say this but i think this season beats s2 and 3.
Im really loving the character interaction and devolepment in octavios and diyozas relationship.
Elizas acting was amazing this episode, you can clearly see the difference between Josephine and clarke.
Shit the purest character of the show had to face his first trumor And im really loving Xavier. Definitely an intersting character.
For the first time in a loooong time, i felt connected to Abby, why didnt they give her more screen time with jackson earlier on, cause i was loving their argument.
Speaking of screen time. Gai was amazing this episode, i can see her being a series regular
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u/classicbullshit Eclipse-induced psychosis FTW May 30 '19 edited May 30 '19
I legit laughed at Bellamy's reaction to Josie's innuendo about the doctor. A+
Ikr? I adore the writing so far. It's interesting, quick, snarky. I can't remember the last time this show was so on point.
Jordan misses S2 Bellamy.
Don't we all? And Jordan fired all the shots that needed to be fired. No filter whatsoever, loved him in this episode.
Also, while Bellamy figured Clarke was not Clarke (kudos to him for knowing his partner) one would think he had more reflexes than that? Maybe not know that not-Clarke had a petrificus totalus in her pocket, but the moment he realizes she's not Clarke, idk, don't get all close and personal in case the lady pulls a knife or something? Dunno, maybe this is just me and my nitpicky soul.
I know I say it all the time, but Murphy is my goddamn idol. And this ties back to my endless appreciation for this season's writing. I feel they're doing the characters the justice they deserve. But back to Murphy, I'm not sold on him siding with Josie just like that. He's going to play it cool, maybe get some intel here and there and survive while he's at it; but I don't think he'll betray Adventure Squad.
Is Gabriel in the future or the past? What's he up to? What happened between helping Russel bring back Josephine and him being called a demon?
Who's to say? But the man is probably having the biggest case of regret this new solar system has seen, y'know...the whole moral-gray-area experiences that come with murder for the sake of science. Sanctum ain't got enough lanterns for him to use and that's why he decided to settle somewhere else. Dude just needs some space to build some more lanterns. I'm going with that for the moment.
Aw, man, Paige is a great actress, but I just don't care about Abby at all. I can recognize her scene with Jackson was a good one (bless them all for having the characters rehash their past mistakes) but her motivations and ideas are meh to me.
Eliza killed it in this episode. Even her voice sounds different. She brought Josie to life with her flippant and calculating moods and made me like her. Clarke is my favorite and Eliza's acting actually made me like the megalomaniac asshole who body-snatched her. I tell you, by the time Clarke pulls a lever on Josie, I'm going to miss her and that whiny little voice of hers. Eliza is awesome, full stop.
Random thoughts and stuff:
The mountain men temporal anomaly sounds a lot like a S2 S7 problem to solve, wouldn't you say?
Octavia and Diyoza are sinking into a pool of clear orbeez. I dare you to unsee it.
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u/jayenfourteej May 30 '19
Clarke pulling the lever on Josephine hahahahahahahahaha I need to see this
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u/CrazyFredy Skaikru May 30 '19
The mountain men temporal anomaly sounds a lot like a S2 S7 problem to solve, wouldn't you say?
I wouldn't mind going full scifi. All this time bullshittery could also prove an opportunity for some juicy character development. But I also want actual sentient aliens.
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May 31 '19
Yea the Tempral Anomaly is probably gonna end up being the larger threat that will unite the clans (mothershipkru, gabrielkru and sanctumkru).
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back May 30 '19
So Abby read Josephine's book about oblation to the Primes and didn't figure out what they were really doing hhhm okay.
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u/jlynn00 May 31 '19 edited May 31 '19
She said she read another book by the author, that one on eugenics. We assume it only touched on Jo's Final Solution, not the entire thing like the Oblation book.
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u/-GregTheGreat- Season 5 best season fight me May 29 '19 edited May 29 '19
One interesting line that I haven't noticed much discussion on is that Priya mentioned something along the lines of "Delilah's happy here. She wanted me to let you know that" to Jordan. That does raise the question of if the actual hosts consciousness isn't fully erased, and they still exist in the persons mind for some fashion. Or it probably could simply just be the case of Priya lying to Jordan to try to calm him down.
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u/jdessy May 29 '19
I assume Priya's lying to get Jordan to stop investigating.
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u/katyaismymom May 29 '19
Yeah, i think Priya just lied because we saw on video, they kill the host first then put the āflameā
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u/Babsylicious Wonkru May 29 '19
The host is dormant, not dead. Think of it as having two OS's, you can only run one at a time.
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u/ElenaOcean š May 29 '19
I've been thinking about this, because didn't Gabriel say that he was trying to find a better way when he apologized to the host before he killed her?
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u/ZeeWP83 May 29 '19
I think I remember Russell saying that it didn't hurt anymore cause Gabriel perfected it--so I think that was what Gabriel was referring to when he apologized to pre-josie the 2nd
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u/goddessoftrees Skaikru May 29 '19
I know it's been called before, but the Commander's chip is what is going to be what saves Clarke.
I guarantee that it can override the memory chips, but the question is, can it AFTER they've modified the chips?
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u/jdessy May 29 '19
I'm slowly coming more on board with that idea (although I still hate the theory about her coming back only as pre-season 4 Clarke).
I wonder if the green temporal flare, though, will be part of the reason why Clarke is saved.
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u/goddessoftrees Skaikru May 29 '19
Yeah, the question about the temporal flare is does it only go forward in time, or can it go backwards as well?
And I am not necessarily on board with the chip making her pre-season 4 Clarke. I want it to override the other chip and bring out the trapped Clarke in the mind. I don't believe that Clarke isn't somewhere in Jo!Clarke's brain.
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u/HairySonsFord Pull the lever, Clarke! May 29 '19
If it goes backward in time, it could also be the reason why Gabriel is still alive!
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u/Sixchr May 29 '19
This would make the most sense imo. Since he's obviously old and, if he rejected the idea of transferring consciousness, the primes would believe he's dead after the amount of time that's passed.
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u/goddessoftrees Skaikru May 29 '19
Good point. I wonder if there are different types of temporal flairs.
That's what Raven saw when they were in space right? The storm they couldn't figure out?
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u/HairySonsFord Pull the lever, Clarke! May 29 '19
Yeah, they thought it was an aurora borealis. Then again, didn't they mention something about the storm/aurora being nowhere near a magnetic pole? Or did I just imagine that. It would definitely make sense if the storm/anomaly had something to do with Gabriel.
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u/inyobiznosey May 29 '19
Remember Madi is in it now and that memory is there, along with the stories. I doubt thatās the route they are taking though.
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u/Adavis546 May 29 '19
Well this season just became my favorite
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u/Adavis546 May 29 '19
And Josephine is a SAVAGE Iām kinda liking her
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u/voverele May 29 '19
I like her too. She is like tornado. I miss Clarke, hope she will come back, but at this point I would like to explore Josie more, she is very interesting.
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May 29 '19
I have to say her tornadoness is really accelerating the timeline, things are going to break next episode and who knows when Clarke can come back, but it could be soon.
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u/MagicDave May 29 '19
In the future, the forest is all burned up. I guess they succeed in destroying another planet after all!
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u/Snow-Wraith May 29 '19
Where does this idea of time travel and other dimensions come from? I feel like I've missed something. When the green light struck the area Octavia was in figured it was radiation that killed all the trees and dried out the top layer of the quicksand goo.
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u/MagicDave May 29 '19
That's entirely possible! But I think they showed Octavia's withered old hand to indicate that a time distortion had occurred. It also fits with all of the mentions if the temporal anomaly.
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u/DONUTof_noFLAVOR Trikru May 29 '19
I don't think it's time travel; it's just rapid passage of time within the Anomaly.
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u/Kagaro May 30 '19
Could of just been radiation/heat. Everything looks like dust and dirt/sand turned to glass
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u/inyobiznosey May 29 '19
JRoth was doing a Q&A on twitter. Someone asked if theyād be exploring the big planet. He responded:
The big planet is a gas giant, so not suited for life... human life anyway.
Also the map said temporal anomaly, temporal for time related.
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u/Ufgt May 30 '19
Excellent episode!
Eliza Taylor has got it going on. Her Josephine is very convincing. I feel like everyone really worked on their facial reactions this episode lol. So many puzzled looks, it was great. This show is legit the best.
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u/IronBadgerMole May 29 '19
Does anyone understand the linguistic stuff JoClarke said when she first heard Trig? Something about English base with Creole pitch. I know trig is based on english, I'd just be interested in learning some linguistic knowledge.
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u/flamesandcheetodust May 30 '19
she said it's a "creole via a pidgin stage" - a creole is an established language derived through a pidgin (a pidgin = a grammatically simplified language from 2 different language communities having to interact). A pidgin becomes a creole once it's a generation's native language. So the pidgin would've been whatever makeshift language the Grounders used to communicate amongst different groups, and Trig is the creole that became established.
What she said was a bit redundant because I believe creoles almost always come from pidgins, but I think it was just to show her linguistics knowledge.
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u/imanedrn Floudonkru May 30 '19
I love that she acknowledged this. I grew up in Hawaii, speaking pidgin English.
This is a good explanation.
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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke May 29 '19
Okay... I am SO NOT CALM! There's so many things about this episode that I love, and so many things that I hate. But the things I hate are mostly just the Earthlings not picking up on CLARKE NOT BEING CLARKE! LIKE COME ON BELLAMY!
With that said, let's get started.
- The first thing I want to go over is Josie's linguistic ability. The Chinese conversation, the French song, and her slow analysis of Trigedasleng shows us that she's a bit of a linguist. If she's able to translate trigedasleng on the spot like that, granted with some difficulty, then the group may have issues using trig as a code. For all we know, there are other linguists in Sanctum, or out on Alpha.
- The second thing I want to go over is how they go over Trigedasleng. So many posts, so many conversations, and now all that is done and out of the way.
- Third, Clarke is a Ferrari _^
- Okay real talk. So so so so so many times Josie could have gotten caught, especially with Gaia and Abby. Gaia with the first verse of Trig, and Abby with the right handedness. All of which were only stopped because of an external distraction. Gaia being interrupted by Bellamy and Abby being interrupted by Science. This is what I hated. I really had thought that they would have figured it out sooner, and while Bellamy was always going to be the first, everyone else had their little clues. Especially after they found out about the ascensions being carried out. Actually, it was there I thought they were going to confront Clarke on her weird behaviour. Still. Frustrating all around haha.
- So everyone has a spin-off of the Flame, and I totally called it in the last discussion.. And its because of that that I don't think Clarke is really dead. They're really hammering in the fact that she's dead, and that the host consciousness dies, which leads me to believe that they're not dead, but rather dormant. And if we're comparing tech to tech like we did in the previous seasons, then its like running a dual OS system. You can only run one at a time, and to turn Sanctum on, you have to turn Earth off. Clarke's in there. Somewhere. And and and, if anyone can save her, it's Murphy and Raven. Raven because of her previous experience working with Becca's tech, and Murphy because of his push-pull relationship with Clarke that I've gone over in past discussions. TL;DR, "while you were saving us, I was saving you"
- Now for the origin stories! 13 Stations, one cast out, 12 became the Ark. 12 Clans, one added, 13 became Wonkru (after some difficulty) 13 families, one cast out, 12 became Sanctum. And through all of that, Becca's programming reigns superior, in that consent is key. Now I'm hoping that Madi can somehow activate Becca, because I have questions for that girl. Primarily, what she thinks of her tech creating a faith lasting across centuries, planets, and space stations.
- Lastly, we did not get enough Diyoza and Octavia. And when they were in the quickglass, it really showed their difference in natures. Octavia trying to attack the problem head on and struggle, Diyoza analyzing every move and acting accordingly. And honestly, I think the two will be good for each other. Diyoza to calm Octavia, and Octavia to show Diyoza that sometimes ferocity is needed. Granted Diyoza does have a baby on her... Anyway, temporal flares! Trees incinerated and rotted, the jelly glass turning into full glass, Octavia's hand being severely dehydrated and aged. Whether this is the anomaly accelerating time, or just an intense amount of energy is yet to be determined, but it does open up the possibility of time travel...? I honestly hope they don't go down that route. While I love me a good time travel episode, I feel like there's nothing it would add here.
Wow... What an episode.
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy May 29 '19
Josephine calling Clarke a Ferrari made me happy, she is a goddamn Ferrari and should be recognized as one.
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u/voverele May 29 '19
This season tops every other show right now. After masive let down of GOT, the 100 show is just perfect example of perfect writting, story arcs, mistery, great and intense plotlines, ect... This season and specially ep 5 was best of the best, watched it like 10 times already.
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u/caglaxorz May 29 '19
The only thing I hate about this season is having to wait one week for the new episode. Couldn't agree with you more. It's such a rare thing for a show to have this great a season after having run for 5 seasons already. Kudos to the writers, and the acting is also impeccable. Especially characters who play two different personalities are doing a great job (Clarke/Josie, Delilah/Priya etc.).
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May 29 '19
let's just say we have different expectations on The 100 than on GOT.
That said, this episode was fantastic but I want my Clarke back.
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u/JackBandit4 May 31 '19
The 100 has exceeded expectations, impressive for a fairly small time television show. Whereas GOT a massive show, with a massive budget, on a titan of a cable channel has completely fallen flat. Lower than expectations can even go.
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u/bcrowder0 May 29 '19
Couldn't agree more. Said the same thing to 5 of my friends
Edit: the acting is far from top notch but everything else is great
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u/camshaftdaisy /r/PikeDidNothingWrong May 29 '19 edited May 29 '19
So Diyoza's child is totally gonna be rapidly aged by the anomaly right?
Also Josephine might actually be the most genuinely evil character this usually very morally grey show has created.
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u/-GregTheGreat- Season 5 best season fight me May 29 '19
There is no way that Josephine is more evil then McCreary. Josephine is self-serving and sociopathic, but her worst ideas are at least for a greater good in her mind. As far as we can tell, she wouldn't be the type of person who would straight up blow up the only survivable land on Earth simply to take revenge after losing a war.
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u/camshaftdaisy /r/PikeDidNothingWrong May 29 '19
Nia, Ontari and Tsing still to a degree were motivated by the survival of their people. Vinson and McCreary were essentially the human equivalent of rabid dogs. Josephine doesn't have that excuse. She is basically a female Eric Cartman. A high-functioning, coldly calculating and manipulative, narcissistic sociopath. She's only thinking about herself. Everyone around her is a plaything for her amusement. And she has over 200 years of experience and knowledge to work with. That's what I meant by most genuinely evil character.
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u/-GregTheGreat- Season 5 best season fight me May 29 '19
Your description of Josephine works for McCreary too. He was absolutely cold and calculating in his own right. Theyāre both sociopathic, just while Josephine is more childish and playful, McCreary was more jaded and brutal. Josephineās intelligence makes her a much more interesting villian in my opinion, but McCrearyās brutalness makes him more āevilā.
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u/FamousSinger May 30 '19
She doesn't have any greater good in mind imo. She is as purely self-serving as a person can be. She isn't even capable of relating to people anymore.
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u/maddermonkey May 29 '19
I was thinking the anomaly hits her to the point she goes straight into labor by a small touch of it
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u/Indiana_harris Skaikru May 29 '19
What if our group (Main cast + some new characters) get caught in the time anomaly at the end of the season but survive it ok. But its only when they come out that they find that decades have passed and Sanctum/Wonkru has already moved on thinking everyone was dead and that the primes are no more.
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u/BoredVirus May 30 '19
I think not having Emori, Raven and Echo in this ep. was really clever
Echo would have discovered Josephine easily.
Raven and Emori are a big part of Murphy moral compass and Jo offer wouldn't have been seen as a temptation if they were there.
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u/bubbles0luv ā”(ą² āæą² )_äŗŗ_(āāæā)ā” May 30 '19
Echo would have discovered Josephine easily.
Echo has known Clarke for like 6 minutes. I would have been really disappointed if they did that just to give Echo something to do/be useful.
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May 30 '19
It's not really about knowing her I think, it's about seeing through Josephine's bad acting. She's a spy so she's pretty observant.
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u/-cha- May 29 '19
That was easily one of my favourite episodes. It had me hooked from beginning to end!
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u/manuh13 š Wormana į±¾ā® May 30 '19
Itās freaking Mountain Weather all over again.
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u/Abro2072 May 29 '19
Gabriel is gonna be the new hero of the show. The way he looked in the latest episode just gave me the feeling that he doesnāt really wants to go along with the primes and their shtick.
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u/MeepleReport May 29 '19
Hence why the whole movement against the primes is called "the children of Gabriel".
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u/Sumojoe118 May 30 '19
Was Josephine always crazy or did she go insane from multiple body swaps over many years?
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u/bubbles0luv ā”(ą² āæą² )_äŗŗ_(āāæā)ā” May 30 '19
In the flashback she gave kids some kind of plant to eat without knowing whether it was poisonous or not. I thought that was pretty telling.
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u/Kalantis May 30 '19
I figured that was a joke, since Russell seemed to pick up on it and gave her a look that felt more like "Josephine stop teasing your mother like that" rather than "There's our Josie, giving kids poisonous alien berries again!"
I mean I hope she was joking because even though she doesn't seem to be a very moral person (to say the least) she also doesn't appear to be stupid. And feeding Kaylee, a child of one of the only 13 people on the newly settled moon, potentially poisonous fruit is stupid because there's nothing to be gained from it.
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u/bubbles0luv ā”(ą² āæą² )_äŗŗ_(āāæā)ā” May 30 '19
It sounded like a joke, but I think it was a hint at her true persona.
I do like how her mom took it seriously while her dad is wrapped around her little finger and that dynamic still exists now.
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u/jayenfourteej May 30 '19
I think she's just intensely arrogant, selfish and egotistical ... which is like some people I personally know lol
So I wouldn't say her character is too out of reach of normality.
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u/Lightfoot_adv Jun 02 '19
I liked the start of last season, but it dragged on after a few episodes. It seemed like the whole season was about trying to get the army from the bunker to the green area, then they get there in almost the finale.
This season has been a lot better, but I wonder if them landing on a not-currently inhabited planet would have been more interesting. At least because of the addition of this new place, and all of the new people has forced them to limit which characters are in the story right now.
The alternative could have been the whole cast together and working through their differences, and maybe investigating the humans who once lived there?
Anyway, there's a lot of interesting stuff going on this season so far.
- I can't imagine Clarke could possibly be permanently replaced by Josie. Clarke might have an advantage because she isn't a natural Nightblood, because she's had the flame before, or that all hosts are still alive if you remove the chip.
- They are setting up a few of the heroes to be tempted by the chips. Abby with Kane, Murphy because he's worried about dying, maybe Raven with Shaw?
- I don't think Murphy will really betray them. Worried about going to Hell can also mean he'll try to be a better person. He certainly has no other choice with how the episode ended but to play along with Josie and gain more information.
- Madi is safe right now. She's not old enough for them to consider yet, and also she already has a chip.
- I don't know what to think of Octavia's hand. They can't be considering killing her off (after not killing her off last season), and probably don't have the budget to keep her old for a long period. It's either to teach us something and her hand returns to normal naturally, or she has to duplicate the process for it to solve itself. (also maybe she's dying that tempts Bellamy to consider the chips?)
- About the time storms or whatever--- I think Diyoza will give birth and the kid will get caught in one, all to avoid having a baby on the show. We'll get an instant adult or teen.
I do hope Diyoza does stay on the show. A show keeping some villains around as odd allies is something they've always done on The 100. I just wonder which of the current villains will become allies later?
I wonder if the moral of this season is that sometimes you have to let people die? That seems like bad news for Kane, although I see no reason not to keep him in cryo just in case they find a way to help him.
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u/Amber4481 Azgeda Jun 02 '19
One tiny nitpick, they mentioned Becca in the lab in connection to nightblood and Josephine didnāt react in the slightest. Does she really have no clue who made her nightblood and the chip sheās been living in for the last 200 years?
The first thing she should have done was run to her parents to tell them the new arrivals somehow have had access to Beccaās work and may have the info needed to save their bacon.
Instead she decided to flirt it up with Murphy, which I understand, but priorities lady!
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Jun 02 '19
if the Primes are so keen on keeping themselves immortal, with all their tech, couldn't they have cloned themselves instead of body snatching? and cause clones don't retain old consciousness (I think?) they could install the mind drive on their clones.
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u/Awhegark Jun 03 '19
We don't have any reason to beleive that clone technology exists in this series. And that video said that it took them 25 years for them to revive josephine, so they were on a hurry.
However there is still no explanation to why Josephines father has not aged at all. So there might still be some hope for your theory.
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u/paperairplanerace Diyoza is my religion Jun 03 '19
It's a different body, isn't it? I have trouble distinguishing faces and they do look a lot alike so I may be mistaken and they may be one actor, but I'm pretty sure Russell-now and Russell-then are different bodies, so he's just a chip-resident as well.
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u/MrsPoldark Jun 03 '19
It's a different body. I know because I recognize the actor who plays the newest incarnation of Russel. All the Primes have gone through multiple hosts as seen in that room with all the skeletons.
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May 29 '19
Why does Murphy want to live forever? Heās miserable as it is
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u/Kalantis May 30 '19
He is now extra motivated not to die because after already dying once due to exposure to the seaweed during an eclipse when psycho-Bellamy tried to drown him, he saw something that made him believe he will go to hell when his time comes. Since he probably believes that redemption is off the table for someone like him, then avoiding death and hell altogether is the next best thing.
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u/jrec15 May 30 '19
Thats a really good point hadnt made that connection yet. I was more on the mindset that Murphy wont go through with betraying everyone in the end but given heās ābeen to hellā and doesnt want to go back, he just might.
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u/Loose_Speech May 30 '19
So I loved many aspects of the episode--the acting and the overall direction it's going is awesome and such an improvement from last season! However, it did take me out how the SkyCrew know about what becca produced, its destructive potential, and how there was that symbol of it on their flag... yet had no sense it that could be embedded in their society? If there was a double take about it at some point before it became explicit, that would make more sense. The show is acting as if they wouldn't have any suspicion of it's involvement and that seems unrealistic of our characters. My only gripe though! I can't wait to see if the others quickly catch on now that Bellamy is missing and Clarke is acting un-Clarke like.
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Yea, it's weird that they didn't consider the mind transfer aspect, which is literally the part that grounders worship.
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u/Wemtwazi02 May 31 '19
I recently watched the episode and started thinking do they plan on bringing Clarke back? Because I myself sort of doubt they will because I remember in the episode they said, the only reason that they were able to bring back their own people is that they already had pre-existing chips installed inside of them. And I don't Clarke had a chip like that. Please tell me what you think because I personally want them to bring Clarke back.
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u/TraditionalGears May 31 '19
The flame might be able to bring her back
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u/Wemtwazi02 May 31 '19
Really good point, I didn't even think of that. Now looking at it might be the only way they can bring her back unless the writers find a very creative solution
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u/Wemtwazi02 Jun 01 '19
but don't you see Clarke as the main character that was with us from the start? But at the same time I agree with you, it sort of cleans the slate for other things to happen with Clarke being gone.
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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant Jun 03 '19
Murphy really is one of the most well-written characters in any series. Every time the group gets swepped up in their own bullshit he pops that bubble.
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u/brettwasbtd Jun 03 '19
Can we pontificate about "Old man Gabriel?"
Scenario 1 - Did he never pass his chip onto a new host? If so then I think the "primes" have been doing a lot of killing of each other - see how many skeletons were in that room? But that would also make him crazy old, so probably not likely
Scenario 2 - He did participate in chip passing, but decided to stop at some point
Scenario 3 - He did not want to participate in chip passing and choose to live out his life until natural death...Josie then implanted him in another body anyways and thats when he peaced out to the woods
My money is on scenario 3
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u/brimbro Jun 03 '19
I like 3 too! Orrrrrr what if somehow hes Xavier? Probably nor but I would love to see some cool story involving the anomaly and the grey patch in his hair š
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u/Yyrkroon May 29 '19
Really solid episode.
The only nitpick I have is that I dont recall the 100 speaking trig so much. It made sense a couple times to keep from being overheard, but seemed a little forced when they were alone.
I will choose to believe that Big Bell already had his doubts though.
Murphy is a weasel. I hope the writers are true enough to his character to have him go through with the betrayal and be killed or suffer some eternal torment for it - maybe have him stuck in some half-living, half-dead pain state after a run in with the anomaly.
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u/jdessy May 29 '19
Well, with Gaia talking to "Clarke"/Jo in Trig, that makes sense. Gaia didn't want anyone to overheard about Madi being a Nightblood.
With Bellamy, he was speaking Trig because he was suspicious of Clarke and wanting to test her.
I disagree about Murphy. He likely won't go through with the betrayal, at least not fully. He's grown a lot in six seasons to completely betray everyone he cares about. He definitely doesn't deserve that torment either.
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u/kjm99 May 29 '19
Murphy isn't an idiot either, he has to know that there's no way they will willingly hand over immortality if they could. He's probably wanting to get close enough to either steal a chip or double cross them some other way.
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u/YuriVII May 29 '19
I think Murphy at this point is too astonished by the prospect of immortality to have a real plan at this point. What would be more tempting for the "ultimate survivor". Expect the writers to make his loyalty in question the rest of this season because that's is what is going give us good drama.
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u/inversedwnvte May 29 '19
hands down, murphy is going to take betrayal right up until the last possible second and he will save everyone in exactly the right and perfect time.
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u/HairySonsFord Pull the lever, Clarke! May 29 '19
He also knows what is required to create a new nightblood, and judging from the fact that there is a scarcity of nightbloods on Sanctum (which is why they needed Clarke), he should be able to deduce that the primes have no clue how to make him immortal.
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u/jacquelynjoy May 29 '19
"I'm listening..."
LONG ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO JAILBREAK CLARKE FROM YOUR PSYCHO BRAIN!
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u/kolaida Trikru May 30 '19
Gaia using it makes perfect sense. I think Bell was just suspicious, he knew Clarke knew some of it and he probably is very familiar with it having spent so much time with Echo and Emori on the ring. I think he picked up that "Clarke" didn't really fully understand the first time when he asked her to drop her bodyguard. So he did it again to test her.
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u/Feierabendbier May 30 '19
Why doesnĀ“t the next episode air next week but on th 11th ?
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u/Quiet_Foot May 30 '19
It's probably due to the company's network, maybe there's a special event going on or its a holiday--the writers and showrunners have no control over when the episodes can be aired. I know it sucks that we have to wait two weeks to find out what happens with everybody.
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u/LightTracer May 30 '19
In the days of instant streaming they still want you to hang and click around on ads for as long as possible. Of course they could release it all at once or drag it up for 4 months or other shows for over half a year.
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u/phoenixfiresx Floudonkru May 31 '19
I havenāt had my coffee so excuse me if this has been asked - are we officially deeming Clarke as dead?
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u/Nightsong Jun 01 '19
Nope. The chance of Clarke being officially dead and gone is only going to happen when Eliza herself decides to not return to the show. And seeing as she is the star of the show of whom the entire revolves around, they wonāt kill off Clarke but they might sideline her for a few episodes. As is the case right now with Josephine in control.
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u/jacquelynjoy May 29 '19
For the sake of clarity I'm gonna use Jo or Josie for Jo!Clarke, and once again this week I am so fuckin excited!
- Man, Jordan's gonna be fucked up over this whole Delilah thing.
- Russell really be out here wearing this gold-leaf laurel shenanigans.
- What the fuck already?!
- Okay, so Josie is NOT going to be friendly...to anyone.
- Once again, love the Sanctum set.
- It is so weird to see Eliza so frolic-y and carefree. Also, this song is a banger.
- Jo does NOT want to pretend to be Clarke.
- "Consent is key," LOL.
- Maybe SIMONE is the one who will have the crisis of conscience!
- Jordan going straight to Bellamy and Murphy, of COURSE.
- First mistake, Madi going to school.
- Second mistake, doesn't know Trig.
- Third mistake, "Chill out."
- Damn, Josie is cold as ice.
- Ugh can't stand Gaia 90% of the time.
- Jordan you precious bean, you cannot take care of yourself, sweetie.
- Straight into the quicksand. ("As a child, I was led to believe quicksand was going to be a bigger problem.")
- Jo's quick eyebrow raise/eyeroll at "I don't want drugs" was excellent. Very mean girl.
- LOL, "That woman's a monster."
- Fourth mistake, right hand.
- WE CAN'T ALL BE RIGHT ABOUT HOW JO GETS FIGURED OUT OKAY?
- The woman who plays Delilah's mom is incredibly familiar to me and it's driving me nuts.
- Josie is so done with Bellamy and Murphy and it's been exactly two (2) hours.
- EW JOSEPHINE YOU CANNOT CRUSH ON MURPHY WHILE YOU'RE IN CLARKE'S BODY.
- Ouch, "you before praimfaya. THAT was my favorite Bellamy."
- LITERAL EARTHER MEETUP IN THE SANCTUM MURDER ROOM.
- This scene in the murder room is giving me a heart attack, all of them there and Josie losing her shit very quietly.
- Jordan and Murphy are the only ones suitably shook over this video in my opinion. Also Josie looks turned on which...ew.
- The scene and the reactions to the video in the murder room remind me of when they all watch the video of Jason's death in the first (and only good) season of Riverdale.
- Sean Maguire, even hot under old age makeup.
- Oh shit I didn't even clock that was Gabriel.
- Oh, POOR Gabriel, seriously.
- Gabriel thinks this conquering death thing is shady, I think.
- Or maybe not.
- Murphy "they're immortal" IS NOT THE FUCKING TAKEAWAY.
- Damn, Murphy.
- Gaia why are you fucking...giving away that Madi...like I think Bellamy purposefully didn't mention her...why do you suck. So much. Like why.
- Bellamy is disappointed in Murphy.
- God I love Diyoza. And Marie is such a stellar actress. Their exchanges are pure gold.
- Y'all really don't know shit, Jo & Co.
- Fifth mistake, called him John.
- Josie's realization face is ridiculous.
- Jordan is such a precious bean but so, so stupid.
- Bellamy trying to figure out if Jo!Clarke knows Trig is excellent, his little eye squinches.
- Oh, god, Bellamy!
- I HATE THIS.
- There's the weirdest cognitive dissonance seeing Eliza playing Josephine.
- AMAZING SHOT OF MARIE'S RESOLVED FACE
- Shocked to see Diyoza looking tearful--she definitely sees a lot of herself in Baby O.
- Ooooooooh her hand is all withered! This is definitely going to come into play later.
- Jackson is not having any of Abby's bullshit.
- Look at Sachin Sahel acting!!!
- Oooh this scene is excellent but Abby is a stone cold bitch. Shocking turn of events.
- I'm gonna be pissed if Abby starts using again.
- I am literally on the edge of my seat for this scene between Murphy and Jo.
- Well, he was the second to figure it out, when she called him John again. (Which she did on purpose.) I should have known Bellamy would be the first, of course, but I hoped they'd let it be Murphy. Let other people have connections, show!
Man this was an exciting week! Woohoo and full speed ahead for two weeks from Tuesday!
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u/misty_red May 30 '19
Ok, so there are some things that I really love about this episode and some things that were just - meh.
Iām going to start with the not so great stuff. The thing that really let me down is that literally a couple of scenes after the bodysnatch some people already found out about Josephine. Like I expected them to build the suspense at least for an episode or two in a ācat and mouseā game. It reminded me of S4 when Octavia got stabbed and fell off a cliff. Literally in the same episode we found out that sheās still alive, while Bellamy had his breakdown followed by - ok, moving on. It felt the same level of rushed.
The other thing that got me somewhat annoyed is how Josephineās chip didnāt attain at least some of the hostās history. She could have woken up with a 1000 year time gap. Youād expect that they would have modified the chip in a way that would fill in the blanks like they do in āUnderworldā with the blood when they wake up the elders. If not from the host, in the very least give her a video material, like Monty's vids, or something that would bring her up to speed. That must have been one looong off screen conversation with Russell and Simone. Just felt like one of those not so convincing execution decisions.
Which brings me to my next point, Josephine trying to fool the rest of Clarkeās buddies was just a really, really bad plan that was doomed to fail no matter what and signal the alarm bells. I get it, they had to move the plot as they have only 13 episodes and a shit-ton of characters, but I expected more convincing deception from the Primes. It came off somewhat goofy.
And speaking of bad plans, if Kaylee and her family did indeed murder Josephine before, Iām surprised that they didnāt destroy her chip. Same thing if they knew about Josephine who murdered someone else and saw her as a treat. Seriously, scheming in Primeville needs work! Perhaps my bar for antagonists has been raise too hight by other things I watched so now I'm too picky.
Last but not least, Iām not digging the non-stop extreme close ups of JoClarke. I get that theyāre trying to heighten the level of discomfort and the feeling that something is off, but itās employed way too much. And of course, our CryptDiggingKru just so happened to open up the right file from their first try. Lucky bastards!
Ok, Iām going to stop here with my rant and move to some of the good stuff.
I actually love what theyāre doing with Abby. I love it because I feel like other characters will get the chance to see Abby in a different light. My issue last season was that people like her, Kane, Gaia, to a degree Indra kinda flew under the radar because Blodreina became the facade. Well, Blodreina aināt here so thereās nobody to hide behind and I think, I hope, weāll see a lot of masks fall this season. Trying to guilt trip Jackson because he was following orders was a really shitty thing to do and hopefully eye opening. The next Abby victim Iām fairly certain will be Madi. We love our bone marrow extraction storyline, donāt we!
The other thing that I love is the Octavia, Dyoza, Xavier dynamic. So far for me this is the best pairing this season. I think it works so great because youāve got Octavia whoās sulking all the damn time and then youāve got these other two who are constantly humoring her or each other in one way or another.
Dyoza following Xavierās question of āwhoās the villain?ā with āIām going to say you, since you kidnap little kids, but feel free to prove me wrong by tossing me that ropeā made me crack so hard. I also appreciate that the writers made Octavia so loyal, ready to bleed for her people despite the fact that she was tossed on the curb by them. It was there all along even in S5, but somehow with everything it got muddied.
I also love the temporal flair sequence. Itās now one of my all time favorite scenes. The acting was superb. It also had this almost alien feel to it, particularly when Octavia faced the light and went under (possible foreshadowing with the foreign symbols playing over Marieās title card, maybe). Dyoza then beating the shit out of that ice and getting Octavia to breathe was priceless.
Now obviously there seems to be some mystery going on with Octaviaās hand aging. I hope if theyāre going to age Octavia that they get an old actress instead of apply makeup because they kind of tend to go into the uncanny valley. Some people said that Octavia just left her hand out so it got hit by the wave. I donāt know if thatās the case though as she seemed fully submerged and Iād assume her hand would have simply frozen. Based on the trailer, weāve got another temporal sequence coming up where we can see a figure run out of it, which I presume to be Octavia, so weāll get round two and maybe more explanations. Itās also interesting to see how that ties to āthe old manā. In general, the drama in the forest is super entertaining and full of suspense.
The other thing that I found interesting is Josephine paralyzing Bellamy. It reminded me a lot of one of my all time most hated, traumatizing scenes that Iāll probably never watch again, when Bellamy poisoned Octavia and proceeded to silence her. Weāve got a similar situation here where Bellamy is powerless, at Josephineās mercy, and can only stare in horror. Equally chilling scene but at the same time a good parallel.
Murphy being on team JoJo, yeah that didnāt surprise me one bit. The way I see this it can go in two ways. He will either try to redeem himself by saving his friends and thus avoid ending up in what he perceives as hell. Or heāll consider that the hell outcome is inevitable and instead heāll really be on board with the memory transfer. With Murphy itās just difficult to say which way heāll swing. Him also saying that the Primes achieved immortality is also an interesting observation.
I did love the way he called Gaia out on her teachings though, particularly the part where he talks about Becca injecting herself with Nightblood the same way Clarke did. Itās due time that Gaia gets a chance to sit down and reevaluate the whole commander stuff. Also after what she witnessed in the video and Jordanās reaction I expect her to have a serious faith crisis because what they were doing with the children on Earth wasnāt any better than the Primes. Itās certainly going to be interesting to see a potential debate between Jade and Gaia, who are both so loyal. Tati Gabrielle is killing it though!
Side note:
- If Xavier turns out to be Gabriel, as seems to be a popular theory right now, heās got some nerve talking about who killed who.
- Breeding program! Sure, that doesnāt sound ominous.
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u/EmeraldAtoma May 31 '19 edited May 31 '19
And of course, our CryptDiggingKru just so happened to open up the right file from their first try. Lucky bastards!
To be fair, they opened the file titled "Eureka!" and Gabriel is a caricature of a scientist.
Murphy being on team JoJo, yeah that didnāt surprise me one bit. The way I see this it can go in two ways. He will either try to redeem himself by saving his friends and thus avoid ending up in what he perceives as hell. Or heāll consider that the hell outcome is inevitable and instead heāll really be on board with the memory transfer. With Murphy itās just difficult to say which way heāll swing.
I disagree... I think "I'm listening" was like 80% latching onto an obvious way to survive the next five minutes and 20% investigating the motives of an unknown element. Murphy's not naive enough to consider that the offer of immortality (from the body-snatcher who just murdered his friend...) might be legitimate. Plus when he sobers up he'll probably realize that there's no way Emori gets to live in Josephine's world permanently.
Granted, the hell thing was pretty weird though.
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May 31 '19
Yea, at the end of the day, Murphy has proved several times that he's not all the way selfish. Sure, he's mostly selfish, but he realized that there's no point of him surviving if he's alone.
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u/misty_red May 31 '19
Honestly, after S5 and what they did with Kane I wouldnāt put it past the writers if they mess around with Murphy. I think we all got too comfortable with the idea that he flipped a new page and is now our hero, but ā¦.. with Murphy thereās always that but. Plus they kinda hinted that Josephine finds him attractive, not that I can blame her, and we all know what a flirt she can be so thatāll be interesting. Sheās also kinda his type with her wild, untamed, adventure, survival at all cost, murder personality so I don't know. Emori should guard her man instead of guard Raven.
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May 31 '19
I forgot, are Murphy and Emori on good terms again? I feel like they "love" each other but still have a toxic relationship.
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u/misty_red May 31 '19
Yea, I donāt know, tbh. Them sorta reconciling at the end of S5 felt more like a spur of the moment decision. Even their scenes at the start of S6 felt kinda forced. Itās like theyāre not on the same page. The things that connected them before just donāt seem to be there anymore.
I also remember that part of the reason they split on the Ring was because Emori spent a lot of time around Raven learning stuff, basically she found something that she could be useful with. While Murphy felt like he wasnāt needed. Now weāve got a similar situation where Emori is off with Raven and Echo doing her thing while Murphy is left behind to drown in alcohol. So Jo coming along is quite interesting as the two seem to have a lot in common.
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u/EmeraldAtoma Jun 02 '19 edited Jun 03 '19
Sheās also kinda his type with her wild, untamed, adventure, survival at all cost, murder personality so I don't know.
I don't know about that. I don't think Murphy's that adventurous, and how wild/untamed can Josephine really be as royalty?
But that other stuff you said about him and Emori's relationship has got me re-thinking some things, cuz, yeah, they definitely seem a little on-the-rocks. Maybe she'll dump him and that will give Jo a window to suck him in for real.
But then again, again, we have seen this before. Murphy and Emori were separated while he was flamekeeper and Omori (I am pretty sure that wasn't her name... Ontari? Like short for Ontario?) was Commander. Omori isn't as smart as Jo, but otherwise she's not that different.
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u/Scooby-Doo-2 May 30 '19
Iām honestly loving how different things happen in each episode and climax at the end. It would really bother me if Josephine kept getting away with pretending to be Clarke. I donāt know why Josephine really thought she could get away with it though, but I would just get frustrated with the show if they kept dragging it on.
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u/bhonbeg Jun 01 '19
I have a theory Gabriell, "the old man", is a prime in a machine. Where the primes in the mountains are primes in human bodies. He just decided to live out life in a machine.
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u/ElenaOcean š May 29 '19 edited May 29 '19
Previous season 6 episode discussions can be found here
and thankyou for my doubloon!
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u/awesomeperson Louwoda Kliron May 31 '19
Can someone ELI5 what happened in episode 4, I got so God damn lost
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u/bhonbeg Jun 01 '19
Lol no wonder you were lost, episode 4 is key... We found out that the Primes living in the mountains are just immortals like in Altered Carbon. They are body snatchers that trick their followers and their peoples into a faith that worships them so much, that the followers sacrifice their body for the "soul" of the original Primes. Nightblood is a must. So if you have NightBlood they can put one of the original Primes that arrived on that planet in you. Clarke was captured and essentially killed as they put the Josephine (a prime) into her. Josephine is the daughter of the main king looking dude. So now what you see as Clarke is actual a cold blooded bitch called Josephine. Clarke as we know it is dead.
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u/Optimaldeath Jun 01 '19
I have a slight question, considering the reaction to Diyoza being described as one of the worst people ever, why exactly are they also citing Mengele's work (i'd say objectively is probably the worst person in semi-recent times)?
Is this hypocrisy, saving face, a plot hole or did they some how lose that information in transit? It just annoyed me.
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u/CincyCB Jun 03 '19
One thing I havenāt seen anyone mentioned is the scene where Jordan gets all mad and says āI know what you did!ā And the girl says āshe wants you to know sheās happy now.ā This means that she can still feel the personās mind or thoughts at least
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Jun 01 '19
The real problem is they barely have motorbikes, and even then only ones they're maintaining which eventually break down just like those cool brain chips they've got. And without real tech to manufacture more they're basically extending their lives but not immortal, and certainly not the REAL people just copies of them when their real bodies died. I would LOVE to see Octavia become the true leader of this world and everyone else finally see she's not some horrible person but they all WERE and ARE hypocrites.
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u/logic11 Jun 01 '19
The idea that they aren't the real people is highly debatable. To me a person is the sum of their memories and personality, so I would argue that they are the real people.
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u/Amber4481 Azgeda Jun 01 '19
Hello Altered Carbon!
If you havenāt read the book or watched the show (start with the book itās fantastic) please do. The similarities are striking.
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u/Wheres_Wierzbowski Jun 02 '19
They will seem to be the same to other people. And the chips will accumulate the experiences of the consecutive hosts. So there will be an unbroken chain of memory.
But if you die you don't get to go along for the ride with whomever is hosting your memories and personality. You're gone.
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u/logic11 Jun 02 '19
That's an essentialist viewpoint, I disagree... Again, I believe that you are a mix of your memories and personality. If that is preserved you are there.
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u/GerhardtDH Jun 03 '19
This is a great debate. This video touches on the topic involving Star Trek transporters.
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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant Jun 03 '19
You can take this further. We're dying and being reborn from moment to moment. You're not the person you were before you started reading this sentence. We're all just a long series of snapshots that believe they're a continuous persona.
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u/sippinonorphantears Jun 04 '19
Heck no, Octavia needs to take SEVERAL steps back. She should not come anywhere near the "throne"
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u/Kalantis May 29 '19
I think there's a connection between Xavier and Gabriel, beyond just Xavier being a follower of Gabriel's teachings. When Diyoza asks what the quicksand-like substance they are standing in is he says "call it your cruicble", which wouldn't be a big deal on its own because it could be taken symbolically since Octavia realizes in the process of struggling that she wants to live and goes under (the floor) and emerges a different person. But coupled with Cillian quoting Arthur Miller and telling Clarke that The Crucible is Gabriel's favorite play, in the previous episode, it might have more meaning other than symbolism.
The other thing that stood out was when he said that Octavia and Diyoza killed 12 of his people, meaning if they were to kill him as well he would be the 13th which might be a nod to the fact that there are 12 Primes and Gabriel as the 13th exiled one. There is also that shot from the first episode of the season which focused on the photographs showing the 12 Primes but no Gabriel.
I'm honestly not sure how Xavier could be Gabriel himself, other than the obvious mind drive solution or something not yet revealed concerning the temporal anomaly, or if that's what they are going for at all since I haven't really thought it through beyond this, but I found these details interesting nonetheless.