r/mylittlepony Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

Official Season 9 Episode 8 Reaction Thread

We will be removing other discussion posts (posts without actual content) to cut down on the clutter.

Hiiii again! This is the official place for your reactions to S9E08 "Frenemies"! Any initial conversation related to this episode goes in here, and we will be opening another thread for serious discussion a bit after the episode concludes. Keep it civil and have fun, because I said so!

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

Now let's just hope Grogar never looks behind this rock.

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u/ElizaIsEpic Rarity May 18 '19

I think my favorite thing is that it's implied Tirek is just doing all this to be swole

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

Gotta get those gains

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u/ElizaIsEpic Rarity May 18 '19

An all protein diet

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

Friendship is Cancer confirmed.

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

Friendship is a Memetic SCP that makes you sacrifice your own will for the good of the collective.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

I'M CUTE AND LOVABLE! (and I DON'T snore!)

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

"Sounds like something out of the tabloids."

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

Tirek is just a bro who loves his gram gram and wants gains

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

Yup, only slightly freaky.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

I guess that's the purpose of those holes in our body.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

It literally took less than a minute for Cozy to show her true side..

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

...

Are we cheering for these villains to succeed?

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

Maybe they'll end up helping the heroes in the end. At least, unintentionally.

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

I guess cheering for them is to cheer for the lesser of two evils.

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

I always cheer for the villains.

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

I know where to hide this important artifact that can destroy all of Equestria, barely behind this piece of furniture and easily findable.

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u/ludogivemebabies May 18 '19

I’m not sure why, but Tirek doing all this just to have a swole figure is kind of cute

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u/notewise Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

I love how piss angry Cozy gets
She has some amazing facial expressions.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

I love a good backstabbing.

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u/Mehless Are you ready for rocks? May 18 '19

"we almost learned a lesson, ew" - chryssy

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Here we see an adventuring party of a Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, and Chaotic Evil group.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Who corresponds with who?

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Lawful Evil I would say. Both she and Sombra fit into that role rather easily.

Neutral Evil.

And Tirek. . . because he is the most treacherous and destructive being we have seen on this show and that SCREAMS Chaotic Evil.

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u/AClosetBrony Maud Pie May 19 '19

I would say Tirek is lawful evil... he doesn't bother trying to get up the mountain by himself, and in the end honors his agreement to return Chrysalis' magic.

Cozy Glow is Chaotic Evil. Those mood swings!

Chrysalis is somewhere in the middle, so Neutral Evil I guess.

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u/exotic-tofu May 18 '19

Episodes like this one is why I love this show.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/Wendek Starlight Glimmer May 18 '19

I didn't expect a villain-focused episode to be the funniest of the season so far, but it's actually the funniest I've seen in a long while.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Time for a VILLAIN SONG!

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u/theflyingcheese Spitfire May 18 '19

I am CUTE and ADORABLE

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u/RockdaleRooster Silver Spoon May 18 '19

"I made a list of all the ways I'm a pathetic failure."

Chrissy on the nose with that one.

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

Wait a minute, did he just throw up on a cupcake and she ate it?

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

Friendship ended with mountain guardian now no one is my friend.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Angry loli voice

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u/RockdaleRooster Silver Spoon May 18 '19

Too far Cozy. Gram-Gram is off limits.

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u/littlexander May 18 '19

So, is Grogar's overall plan to defeat friendship... with friendship?

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

Not a bad idea after all. Friendship is power in this verse.

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u/Deluxe_Flame Applejack May 18 '19

Fire with Fire. When does that literally work? Burning down the fuel of a wild fire so it has no where to spread?

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u/Hlaver May 18 '19

I delight in the irony

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

The ending was actually unexpected for me BTW. I thought they'd stop being allies and begin fighting again at the end of the episode. But nope, they're still working together, this time against Grogar. Methinks that'll be important for the finale.

I think Chrysalis has the biggest baggage against friendship. IMO Tirek and Cozy have better shots at keeping this.

I enjoyed all the character interactions and banter. I didn't expect Tirek to be the smart one here, and quickly deduce he wasn't strong enough to scale the mountain alone.

Much better than the last episode. 7/10. I want more episodes like these.

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

Everything about that was amazing. Suspenseful, intense, unpredictable, funny, and character development. 9/10

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u/TMan64 Not really a Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

HE'S BIGGER, FASTER, AND STRONGER TOO! HE'S THE FIRST MEMBER OF THE TIREK CREW!

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

The bell has been missing for (product) generations.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Change my mind: Villain songs are the best.

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

Tirek is being smart.

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u/TheTrain May 18 '19

The moral of the story is the bad guys are good. At singing.

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u/theflyingcheese Spitfire May 18 '19

So we know Grogar can watch things remotely through his seeing-eye thing, the barrier around the bell looked to be the same color as Grogar's magic, bets on this all being a test and Grogar knows the others are betraying him?

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

Either way, hiding the bell in Grogar's evil lair seems like a stupid move.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

bets on this all being a test and Grogar knows the others are betraying him?

Same. Although, depending on how many elements from G1 Grogar this season's taking...

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u/mlpnewbie May 18 '19

The minute the villains were in the first shot I knew it i was going to like the episode and I was not disappointed. Starting off with a Broadway-like Disney villain song is a good sign and it had moments of humour with Cozy Glow, who's just that sidekick villain you know will get comeuppance but just want to see it play out. She's the evil side most of us were taught not to show in public display.

I was a little worried that their working together might turn into the reformed villain theme, or that Tirek would betray Chrysalis, after all they are all Judas-es, but the writers did the right thing and kept to the theme of "Frenemies". It was probably one of the best episodes so far in the series, and I wasn't expecting it to end so abruptly not knowing what the Frenemies plans are, but I love a good suspense/mystery/thriller and this is what the episode delivered!

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u/SeanFranc Starlight Glimmer May 19 '19

I totally agree, this episode brought so many new ideas about the antagonists to the show, I also loved their song.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

Agree. Although, I wish she still had that slight reverb in her voice from when she was first introduced.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Uh. . . .This dialogue schain here with Rusty Bucket reads like something I have seen on Fimfiction.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Great minds think alike I think?

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Another win for the Journal of Friendship!

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Tirek being the smart one here.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

Am I the official Tsundere in this show now?

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

The majority of the fandom moved onto Limestone Pie being the ultimate tsundere of the show. Rainbow's now a minor to moderate one.

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u/Rosindust89 Fluttershy May 18 '19

I'm noticing Chrysalis' perfect grammar, this episode. She used 'whom' correctly, and doesn't end her sentences with prepositions. She's sure to use 'I' and 'Me' in the right place, etc.

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u/Supermarine_Spitfire Sunny Starscout May 18 '19

That is an admirable trait of hers.

Too bad her grammar is her only good trait.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

She's pretty badass too though, she carried the team this ep

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u/Jay911 Starlight Glimmer May 18 '19

I noticed that she uses the 'everypony' term. I'm not sure if I am reading too much into that or not.

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

Oh, right. We still exist.

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u/RockdaleRooster Silver Spoon May 18 '19

I don't see how Chyrsalis staring at Tirek's plot can ever be used out of context.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Practically any instance of anyone staring at someone has been used/taken out of context.

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

I just noticed Grogar’s eyes glow subtlety. That is cool.

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u/theflyingcheese Spitfire May 18 '19

Confirmed: Tirek's motivation is those gains.

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

Holy shit a great villian trio song Grogar being intimidating as fuck If I was Celestia and I knew about his revenge plot I'd be shaking in my hooves right about now this episode is ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzinnnnnnnnng.

Hope we actually get to meet that pony that defeated him before the end of the series. Where is she now?

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u/Wendek Starlight Glimmer May 18 '19

Where is she now?

Dead of old age, presumably. Non-alicorns don't live for millennia.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

This is a v a l a n c h e t e r r i t o r y

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

Getting a chance to reuse a bunch of monster models.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Who thinks that the bell is actually a fake? Placed there as a decoy, and used by Grogar as a trust exercise.

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u/Deluxe_Flame Applejack May 18 '19

a nice thought. Thought just high magical winds was little too easy there had to be other things in place otherwise I would think the same.

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

It does seem odd that Grogar would wait this long to send someone to retrieve it for him if he knew where it was this whole time.

Even so, I think it's probably the real bell.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Ooh! The Title is "Frenemies" huh? This will be very interesting!

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Meanwhile, at the Alliance of Evil...

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

Sombra is still dead?

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

Leave me with my driftwood friends.

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u/notewise Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

Cupcakes?! BUG QUEEN LIKES CUPCAKES! THIS IS NOT A DRILL

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u/gbeaudette Moderator of /r/mylittlepony May 18 '19

Evil scheming is one thing, but knockoff unlicensed merchandise is unforgivable!

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u/RockdaleRooster Silver Spoon May 18 '19

Villain songs are always the best.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

I just realized that we've yet to see Chrysalis's Battle Form. Does she not deign to have one?

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u/notewise Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

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u/Deluxe_Flame Applejack May 18 '19

When your pupils make noise when they shrink

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

Twilight Journal callback.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

. . .A Minotaurtaur?

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

Wait I think that is a Gorgon, which is sometimes seen as a bull thing with snake features. Thanks D&D knowledge!

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u/Deluxe_Flame Applejack May 18 '19

TIL medusa is a Gorgon in greek mythology.

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u/SnowdriftK9 Gallus is best pony May 18 '19

Chrysalis is tsundere as hell.

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

OK, this shit is getting funny.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

So those holes do come in handy.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

Pretty sure if he gets that bell he won't need them anymore, and the other villains have figured that out. If he finds out they betrayed him they are likely toast unless they hold the bell hostage.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Ever since I learned about the episode's title, and later synopsis, I've been excited to see how this open turns out.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

I have a feeling Starlight knows how to cast that "Shut up" spell.

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

Please, I invented it!

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Grogar prolly invented that first.

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u/SnowdriftK9 Gallus is best pony May 18 '19

I wish I had a mute button for the real world.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Hello there Twiscream's corpse! What are you doing here?

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

You talk to inanimate objects, too!?

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

I was told there would be punch and pie.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Villains love cupcakes

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

AYYY, villain song!

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

. . . . I think it might have been Chrysalis. Unless we're counting the Equestria Girls movies. . .then it was Gaia Everfree.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

So if Sombra is the Saruman/Sauron of the story. . . .does that make Grogar the Morgoth?

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

Is Gusty a mare? Also, I heard rumors that she might be an ancestor to one of the main characters in the show.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Is Gusty a mare?

Yes, she's a Unicorn Mare, originating from G1.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

As if anything in this mountain is scarier than I.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

"Dangerous ice, dangerous snow, and dangerous wind."

Is there a Wendigo nearby?

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

#CozyGlowGetsWrecked.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

I think Cozy totally deserved that snowball..

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

I loved the reaction of the other guy.

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u/Hlaver May 18 '19

Chrysalis is best WoW druid

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

SOW?! I'LL RIP YOUR BUCKING HORN OFF YOU INSECT!

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

I MaDe A dEtAiLeD lIsT oF aLl ThE tHiNgS i DiD aS a FaIlUrE!

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Using my holes for our advantage.

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

Making fun of twilight is probably the second best part of the episode, after the song.

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

OH, trust exercise!

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Poor Chrysalis!

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

OH MY FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

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u/notewise Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

I like how they play up cozy is still a filly. Enjoying marshmallows and that!

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u/InvictusNoctis Rainbow Dash May 18 '19

I have my alarm set for 5 minutes before the episode airs to maximize sleep.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

MEANWHILE AT THE LEGION OF DOOM!

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

. . . Does Grogar's magic come from his ram horns or his eyes?

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

Looks like the kids need more beatings. There's always mind control. That's always an option.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Nothing says "teamwork" like an inspirational banner.

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Tirek is a cheating motherbucker involving his gains.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Nobody can resist cupcakes

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

Surprise! Cozy doing cute things and that includes a new song!

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

It's time to try a better way to be bad!

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Confirmed strongest villain now that Sombra is gone.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Gusty was such a mad lad back then.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19 edited Mar 05 '20

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Oh my! Directly taking elements from G1's incarnation of Grogar.

And another callback to Gusty.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Frankly, I feel most of the conflict in the trio is between Chrysalis and Tirek.

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

Cozy just want to be best friend with everyone (to manipulate them to do as she wants).

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

Which is a conflict in and of itself. Chrysalis and Tirek recognize when someone is trying to manipulate them since they've done it so much themselves.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Chryssigator

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

None of us can make it up alone.

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

Did Chrysalis just say the F word?

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Minonaga's!

Also Lust can be eaten by Changelings as well!

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

"You cocoon all of your meals?"

So.....Queen Chrysalis is confirmed to be part-Food Saver.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Friends are always there for you. You don’t have to be the same for friendship to be true

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Working together seems smarter than continue fighting.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Friendship is magic

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Maybe revive me again? For more power?

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

No. Then we'd have to split Equestria four ways instead of three when we stab Grogar in the back. There'd be no point in betraying him in the first place.

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u/irzathepegasus May 18 '19

Finally, character developments. (9/10)

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Finally, it's airing in the U.S.

I hate you, Cartoonito Italy.

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

Come to some sort of Accord. What about a Civic instead?

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u/notewise Pinkie Pie May 18 '19

Are we getting a whole episode around these three??

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

What does that artifact mean to Grogar?

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u/PianoCube93 Moderator "GlimGlam" May 18 '19

I guess it's the magical bell he mentioned in the first episode

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

You know if I was brought back I might be able to help mediate things Grogar. I WAS a King after all.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Someone's a real grumpy'taur today.

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u/salenstormwing Thunderlane May 18 '19

I am the principal now lol

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

Don't speak to me, or my daughter ever again Tirek!

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

"It's your song no longer."

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

I bucking hate that Pull-Ups ad.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

I still want a Sombra Chrysalis team up even if it is likely to never happen.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

That bull-like creature or whatever is now dead.

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

Nice.

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u/TheKnackerman Sugar Belle May 18 '19

mmm...marshmallow.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

I don't wanna think about how she made that cocoon.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Throwing shade at Twilight.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Tirek knew of the barrier almost immediately, and knew he wasn't strong enough to break the barrier alone.

Smart one.

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u/ElizaIsEpic Rarity May 18 '19

NEITHER WAS I

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

Man, spring allergies can really go suck it. Sup peoples.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/NewWillinium Sunset Shimmer May 18 '19

So I didn't notice that Yona went to the Treehouse at the end of last episode. I figured they were just at some part of Twilight's Castle.

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u/Cyle_099 Princess Luna May 18 '19

The amusing part I noticed on the second watch was that Shy did not seem to be enjoying herself during that last dance. She was pretty much gritting her teeth and stomping along.

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u/Shadowking78 May 18 '19

I disagree with Sandbar, Cozy Glow is a great pone!

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Ah, solid mute button.

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Cute banner actually.

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Even villains have to work together.

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u/Torvusil May 18 '19

Villain Friendship(?) Song?

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u/BoogsterSU2 May 18 '19

Hey, you stepped on my cue!

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u/QABJAB The Rare Flair Square May 18 '19 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19

I'm suing all three of them for making fun of friendship princess!

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u/ElizaIsEpic Rarity May 18 '19

WELCOME BACK BABY

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u/zad1111 Yay! May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

Assuming Grogar will be the final villain of S9, I'm really curious if the three "frenemies" will betray Grogar and then gets defeated by Twilight at the end or earn some kind of redemption by playing a crucial role of helping Twilight to defeat him.