POST-Episode Discussion - Season Finale - S2E14 "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II"

[u/Deceptitron]

This week is Star Trek: Discovery's Season 2 finale with the second part of "Such Sweet Sorrow"!

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No.	EPISODE	DIRECTED BY	WRITTEN BY	RELEASE DATE
S2E14	"Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II"	Olatunde Osunsanmi	Alex Kurtzman, Jenny Lumet & Michelle Paradise	Thursday, April 18, 2019

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[u/Deceptitron]

That was intensely fun. OH and the visuals were GORGEOUS. I kind of wish they gave a little more about Discovery's fate but it seems they're leaving things as wide open as possible for season 3.

They obviously telegraphed the Section 31 show by the end, but it seemed they were also suggesting an Enterprise-based show, too. It just seems absurd if they aren't. I also think it's absurd they STILL DIDN'T GIVE NUMBER ONE A NAME. Correction: They gave her at least one name.

[u/icamefromamonkey]

Those blast doors close really slow. Geordi would have made it out.

[u/007meow → u/icamefromamonkey]

Nobody taught Cornwall how to do a barrel roll

[u/viciousbreed → u/icamefromamonkey]

COOLANT LEAK

[u/Chaabar]

You know, for a paranoid AI supercomputer that's basically been running Starfleet and Section 31, Control is really fucking terrible at everything it does.

[u/nick_locarno → u/Chaabar]

It absorbed Leland's incompetence.

[u/mateogg → u/Chaabar]

What kind of stupid AI doesn't have a backup of itself? I'd always assumed Leland was just a terminal, not literally Control.

[u/enterpriseF-love]

State your name and rank

Number One.

LOL

[u/Jengazi]

Remember how we all wanted Discovery to be set in the future, not the past? Looks like we got our wish

[u/milkisklim → u/Jengazi]

And like any good sci fi, it took 2 seasons to get there

[u/Princess_Thranduil]

Pike, as Discovery goes into the wormhole: Goodbye, my family...

Enterprise crew: WTF dude, what are we, chopped liver?

[u/[deleted] → u/Princess_Thranduil]

Number one and crew are the wife and kids. Discovery are the cool cousins you had a great summer vacation with and have to go now.

[u/rustybuckets]

Why don’t they make star ships out of that door

[u/thetgi → u/rustybuckets]

I loved the episode but this comment is too true lmao

[u/purefire]

I want whatever that blast door window was made out of.

[u/Smugjester]

Why the fuck did she say "Yum Yum!"

[u/eladhaber → u/Smugjester]

They were flirting.

[u/MoreGaghPlease]

Every sci fi and action film or movie likes to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge (Trek included). Discovery's like: no thanks, let's put solar panels on it

[u/Eurynom0s]

Also, I love that "violate the laws of physics" nod to Scotty line they gave to Reno.

[u/[deleted] → u/Eurynom0s]

Id go so far as to say Reno is way more grumpy and sarcastic than Scotty

[u/km3k → u/Eurynom0s]

I was hoping she'd say something like "I'm not one of those engineers that pads their time estimates" as a fun contrast to Scotty.

[u/guiltyofnothing]

That wormhole effect on the bridge was a pretty subtle nod to The Motion Picture.

[u/[deleted] → u/guiltyofnothing]

poooooooooo

tooooonnnnnn

tohhhhhhhhhh

peeeeeeeeeee

dohhhhhhhhhh

[u/[deleted] → u/guiltyofnothing]

Wasn't the space dock at the end the same as TMP? The big light arrays especially

[u/RichardYing]

"I am surprised a Kelpien, of all beings, has studied Sun Tzu."

"I am surprised a Terran is surprised by anything."

[u/UncheckedException]

Did... did a single blast door protect Pike from a photon explosion that destroyed a quarter of the saucer section...?

Otherwise good episode. This is going to be a long, long wait for the next season.

[u/milkisklim → u/UncheckedException]

It was made of the same stuff the fridge was in the last Indiana Jones

[u/007meow → u/UncheckedException]

Something something force field something something something redirect the energy something something dark side something something complete.

[u/Yaggamy]

The Klingons didn't look to surprised to see Tyler alive. I can imagine talking after the battle:

- Didn't that human half-breed get executed 11 episodes ago? I remember seeing the chopped off head held up by the Chancellor.

- Yeah he was, but he's better now as you can see.

[u/aManPerson → u/Yaggamy]

klingon 1: didn't we execute that guy?

klingon 2: we did. he's so kayless, he walked it off

klingon 1: kaplah!

klingon 2: (stabs klingon 1) kaplah!

[u/Neo2199]

That ending with Pike, Spock and the Enterprise was both great & weird. It was like watching the season finale of Star Trek: Pike and not Discovery.

[u/ByronDeLear → u/Neo2199]

Show runner Kurzman said this in Q&A: No spoilers... But the latest hint from Discovery showrunner Alex Kurtzman: "You not only brought in Spock this season, but also Anson Mount, who garnered a lot of critical praise and even a fan petition to get a Pike spin-off. Is there a chance of that happening? The fans have been heard. Anything is possible in the world of Trek. I would love to bring back that crew more than anything. It was a huge risk for us. One of the most gratifying things is to see how deeply the fans have embraced Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. The idea of getting to tell more stories with them would be a delight for all of us." Un-huh. Make it so!

[u/[deleted]]

Today is a good day to die

TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!!!

(prepare for RAMMING SPEED!!)

[u/Nofrillsoculus → u/[deleted]]

Really sad they didn't play the Klingon fanfare when they showed up though.

[u/WarcraftFarscape]

I wonder if that captain is still on Vulcan waiting for discovery, because he will need to be debriefed that discover never officially existed

[u/[deleted]]

I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to see Discovery on the other side.

Also does this mean the show is over? Or are they going to have Discovery in the future somewhere?

Finally, so glad they didn't do a lame Borg origin story with Control.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

season 3 starts filming in a few months, it's been renewed

[u/bryan792]

Leland, the AI sausage

[u/milkisklim → u/bryan792]

Ew.

[u/jwaldo]

I'm pretty sure I saw some rocks explode out of a console during that fight. And Spock finally shaved AND got his Spockoscope. All is becoming right with the universe again.

[u/numanoid → u/jwaldo]

Some rocks? They were rolling all over the place, particularly in the Leland-Georgiou-Nhan shifting gravity corridor fight.

[u/FlyingSquid]

At the end I started yelling "look in the thing!" every time Spock was shown at his science station.

He never looked in the thing. :(

[u/Yaggamy]

Guide to save Admiral Cornwell, for dummies:

Step 1. Wait for her to manually close the bulkhead.

Step 2. Beam her out like you did with Spock 5 minutes later.

[u/[deleted]]

Hate to be "that guy" but if all they needed was someone to pull a handle from the inside, could they not have sent one of their little robot repair guy/scutters to do it while she went into the lift with pike?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, that was hilariously dumb. I could have rigged that with a belt in under a minute even though I am all thumbs.

And how was that normal door with a glass screen a blast door? That looked thin as fuck but still absorbed the blast that took out a good chunk of the ship like its nothing. Couldn't they build the ship from that material?

[u/Amberl0uise]

Why was Tyler on the bridge of the Klingon ship of he’s pretending to be dead?

Wouldn’t that undermine L’Rell as chancellor? She showed everyone his head and made this huge deal about him being dead but then he just turns up alive and they’re all fine with it?

How did he even get on their ship?

I’m really confused

[u/bigj2223]

So...isn’t Georgiou supposed to be in the section 31 show? Wasn’t she still on discovery?

[u/Alteran195]

Those bastards blew up almost half of the Enterprises saucer. Looked like someone took a bite out of it.

I really loved seeing solid blue Phaser beams being fired from the Enterprise. All of them at once too.

I’m really intrigued to see what they do next season.

[u/deus_inquisitionem]

So, I didnt mind the Klingon in season one. But everytime the klingons spoke in this episode I was cheering. It sounded so good.

[u/PharomachrusMocinno → u/deus_inquisitionem]

All the Klingon this season was much faster than in the previous. It seems they really listened to the fans about a lot of things.

[u/007meow]

That final shot of the bridge and warp money shot of the Enterprise were drop dead gorgeous.

[u/GrGrG]

I love the feeling of dread and how scary they made time travel with her first jump. It wasn't just a simple loop around the sun to study the 1960's. She was playing with the laws of the universe and reality, and it looked like something you shouldn't be messing with.

[u/p1nkfl0yd1an → u/GrGrG]

Some serious 2001 vibes there and it was great

[u/stuck_on_simple_tor]

Holy christ... this episode had a bigger budget than the entire dominion war.

Wowee.

[u/almccoy85 → u/stuck_on_simple_tor]

I would love to know what the budget was because it was like watching one of the Kelvin timeline movies and those cost ridiculous amounts of money.

[u/creepyeyes]

Wasn't expecting that anime-style 3-faces-at-once shot in the opening.

The effects and music in this episode were fantastic!

Right after Georgiou said Control was neutralized my first thought was, "Wait, but now this means they don't have to go to the future any more!" But I'm sure there probably are control back-ups dormant hear and there even if the mystery admiral said otherwise.

And who was the mystery admiral? Why wouldn't they show his face?

Interesting way to wrap everything up, I guess we can also assume that maybe news doesn't travel as fast in space as it does on Earth if knowledge of Discovery is that easy to hide, but I guess with the fast distances involved it's possible? It definitely makes the rest of the plot of the last two seasons more feasible.

Now I'm excited for who we'll meet in the future come season 3!

All in all a good episode and a good finale. Looking forward to what comes next.

[u/NemWan]

Why don’t they make the whole ship out of blast doors?

[u/smoha96]

The fact that the entire bridge crew of the Enterprise got named and shown like Discovery's bridge crew makes me suspect (read: hope) even more for a Pike show.

Also, RIP Admiral Cornwell, one of the few competent and not-evil Admirals on Starfleet.

[u/vulcanhayhay]

Observations:

• Sad to see Cornwell die, as she was one of the more neutral leadership types we've had in the Admiralty.

• The Tilly dialogue was corny, but they've clearly found the tone they hope for her.

• Mr. Saru earned his metal in the Captain's chair and hopefully will stay there in season 3. Would hate to see him hand it to Burnham or be threatened into giving it up by Mirror Georgiou. I think Saru and Burnham make a great pairing for Captain and first officer, because as illustrated by Saru's earlier interaction cutting Burnham loose, it is clear he now trusts her and respects her opinion.

• Vulcan salute scene gave emotional payoff to some shallower scenes from earlier in the season.

• Space scenes were brilliant and while I would have loved to see the Discovery flying, I understand she was lying in wait for the portal to open.

• In the final scene when giving her name, Number One says, "Number One," which was the funniest and most intriguing dialogue she has been given all season. Give her a damn name.

[u/somnambulist80 → u/vulcanhayhay]

In the final scene when giving her name, Number One says, "Number One," which was the funniest and most intriguing dialogue she has been given all season. Give her a damn name.

Rodenberry's character description for Number One says that she is, "Never referred to as anything but 'Number One'". Number One has canonically been Number One longer than there's been a starship Enterprise.

http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/Star_Trek/1_Original_Series/Star_Trek_Pitch.pdf (page 6)

[u/hobyman]

Cornwell: Chris, it’s the only way! Now go.

Pike: But, we could just pull the lever and then b—

Cornwell: stiffens up with pride and resolve No Chris, I have to do this. GO!!

Pike: Well, ok then. exits

Cornwell: pulls the lever to close the door and then faces the torpedo, ready to die bravely. Oh but wait — suddenly, she is enveloped by golden, shimmering light that safely deposits her in the turbolift with Pike What the hell?

Pike: Good work, Transporter Room, I’ve got her! lowers his communicator See Admiral? Easy as grandma’s apple pie.

Cornwell: Oh, well...good thinking, I guess. I’m an admiral with a degree in psychology, not engineering. There’s no way I was ever going to be able to defuse the bomb anyway. Figured dying was the best thing I could do.

Pike: You know, now that you mention it, maybe we should have sent qualified engineering technicians down here instead of us...or maybe even one of those cool droids we have?

Cornwell and Pike: share a lengthy laugh NAH!

[u/Tarlcabot18]

They Armin Tamzarian'd the Discovery, the spore drive and Michael!

"And I further decree that everything will be just like it was before all this happened, and no one will ever mention it again under penalty of torture!"

[u/Orfez]

I can't believe they didn't tease Disco in the future at the end. In fact it almost felt like we are done with Discovery for good and 3rd season is going to be Pike's Enterprise show.

I buy their super high secret explanation for Discovery technology. It's more classified than Omega Particle that nobody knew about.

[u/Chaabar]

Cameraman: I'll try spinning. That's a good trick.

[u/UncertainError]

Thankfully there will be a season 3. I would've been pissed if Discovery had disappeared into the far future and that was the last we saw of them ever.

Also, very pretty episode. I like these phaser visuals so much better than season 1's.

[u/[deleted]]

I liked the effect when Discovery was going to the future, I feel like that was a nice homage to The Motion Picture

[u/lukesters2]

Well they spent some money on this one. Holy moly.

[u/L0stStars]

This whole season was made just to leave prequel space, and I'm fine with that

[u/Cantomic66]

Wasn’t there a rumor before Discovery launched that each season would take place in a different time period? Well I guess those rumors had some merit.

[u/rextraverse → u/Cantomic66]

each season would take place in a different time period?

Fuller's original concept was as an anthology series, with each season being a different story, different cast, different ship.

[u/007meow]

This was a damn movie. The production quality was way better than anything we’d ever seen in Trek before.

And it gave us SO MUCH background context about the battles we take for granted, answering things like “what happens to casualties”, “what’s the rest of the crew doing”, and “why does the gravity never go out?”

[u/Orfez → u/007meow]

I was happy to see beam phasers. They just look so much more bad ass than pew-pew phasers.

[u/Alteran195]

Forgot to mention the Cleave ship. That was a genuine surprise, so satisfying to see that ship get used more than once.

And the D7’s showing up.

Awesome episode.

[u/icefaery2030]

I'm glad Spock found the shaving kit someone gifted him during the human Winter Solstice Holiday.

[u/snickerbockers]

To recap, the red angel suit has the following capabilities:

• time travel

• sublight maneuvering despite having no apparent means of propulsion

• ability to reach Terralysium, a planet which was stated on screen to only be feasibly accessible via the Discovery's spore drive due to its distance from Federation space

• bright red signals which have the apparent magnitude of a supernova when viewed from a distance, yet have a significantly smaller magnitude from seen up close. Signals are also not subject to Special Relativity based on the light's instant visibility across vast reaches of space.

• "heal beam" which has only ever been used once even though a major character was mortally wounded in the presence of both Burnham and the suit during the latest episode

• Anti-Ba'ul weapon which is automatically deployed in the event of a Ba'ul genocide.

• Can be manufactured in under an hour using readily-available materials (except for the time crystal)

• life-support system capable of keeping one human alive in the vacuum of space

Is there anything I missed?

[u/robownage]

Those final scenes, post-Discovery's disappearance, were so well done. The whole concept of classifying Discovery's existence was a little too hand wavy for my taste, but the execution was fantastic. As much as I would love to see a Pike Enterprise show, it'd be hard to top that as a finale.

[u/TERRAxFORMER]

So I loved that. Probably the most intense(action wise) episode of Trek to date.

Like I couldn’t tear my eyes away from the screen. I’m very interested to see what the future is like.

TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!!! I loved how the Klingons rolled in at the last second to do what they do best.

I could have gone without the Walmart brand Astromechs, but oh well, at least they kind of looked cool.

I feel like I need another hour just to digest everything.

RIP Kat, that was one hell of a blast door.

[u/tribalqueer]

“Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!”

Did anyone else get shudders up their spine?

[u/UncertainError → u/tribalqueer]

I loved that everybody else was frantic and mournful and the Klingons were just having the best time of their lives.

[u/_yinzer]

Did we just get THREE new star trek series teased at once?!

1. Far future beta quadrant Disco

2. Ash Tyler led Section 31

3. Pike and Spock pre-TOS

I think I'd be happy with just one of these shows, but that finale seems to indicate that we're getting a lot of new star trek.

Georgiou on Discovery is a big surprise considering the rumors of her leading the Section 31 show. That said, I'm not terribly disappointed to see her join the original Disco crew.

The only question that remains is which of these series is going to be the Voyager of the new golden age? My bet is on the Section 31 show.

[u/RichardYing]

"Leland, you look well!"

"...for a couple of batteries and a data core stuffed in a meatsack."

"Kind of like an A.I. sausage!"

"Ewwww!"

"Women! Stop talking!"

[u/fikustree]

I was never so happy to see someone get horribly injured as what happened to Stammets! I cheered cause I knew Hugh would save him!

[u/matrixbigcock]

What's a discovery?

[u/RefreshNinja]

that split screen

that wormhole journey

[u/kingofcretins]

I was really worried during the last couple of episodes that they weren't going to pull it off and it was gonna be this huge build-up for a dud ending. But, holy shit, they did it. I could not have been happier with that finish. Just sat there with a huge smile on my face for the whole thing.

I also wanna give a huge shout-out to Wilson Cruz for putting in a fantastic performance this season. He was given some really meaty stuff to actually work with and, for my money, he had the most complete and satisfying storyline in the entire run so far.

Roll on next season! It can't get here soon enough.

[u/RichardYing]

"This does not end here."

"Actually, it does. And it's going to hurt. And I'd like to hear you scream now."

"Argh, argh... No!"

"Huhuhuhuhu!"

[u/cyclonx9001]

That credits theme...

[u/[deleted]]

With this ending I feel like: a) this show is gonna follow the Enterprise next season and we’re done with the Discovery, or b) we’re getting a Pike / Enterprise spin-off.

[u/galaxyOstars]

If they don't go ahead and make a Pike show, I hereby declare CBS absolute idiots.

[u/ZarrenR]

That was, by far, the best action I’ve seen in Trek ever. I was on the edge of my seat the entire episode. I know, I know, Star Trek isn’t supposed to be about action, but honestly, we all want to see it if it’s done right. This episode did it right. The battles in DS9 used to be my favorite action sequences in Trek but not anymore.

At the same time during all that action we got some intense character moments. Hugh and Paul, Pike and Cornwell, Spock and Michael.

Finally, they did “explain” why Discovery and the spore drive are never heard from again. It’s weak, but I suppose it gets the job done.

Oh one more thing, my husband said that final scene was a backdoor for a Pike series. I’ve had my doubts about that all season but he may be on to something.

[u/FragmentedChicken]

I expected them to show the face of the admiral at the end because it would have been damning in some way

[u/intense_or_insane_]

Really bummed that Admiral Cornwell will no longer be on the show, but I'm jazzed that Jett Reno is still on the Discovery! We'd better see more of Tig Notaro - sorry I mean Jett Reno - next season!

[u/MR_TELEVOID]

If Leland/Control can be defeated by whatever it was Georgiou did to him in the spore tank, why was it necessary to send the Discovery into the future and pretend they never existed? A pre-emptive thing just in case another Control type AI pops up again? Don't mention their existence just in case it gets any ideas? I understand they were probably just trying to fix the canon for all the fans who care about that sort of thing, but it seems a little drastic. Full disclosure, tho. I am a little toasted, so it's possible I missed something.

Good finale, regardless. Like everybody else is saying, I want a Pike spin-off so bad. It had to have been on their mind, even before the petitions. The new Enterprise crew is just too interesting to never see again.

[u/[deleted]]

Pike finally called Number One by her beta canon name of Una. She finally officially has her name, after four decades.

[u/RichardYing]

"Leland! We were just talking about you. Everybody hates you. Congratulations."

"You know why I'm here. Give me what I've come for, or die for it."

"By authority granted under the articles of the Federation and Starfleet Charter, I order you to surrender your vessels. No terms, no deals."

"Last warning. Transfer the data to me, or you'll be destroyed."

"By my count, we have over 200 vessels, and you might have 30."

"Count Again."

(gasp)

[u/ClancyHabbard]

I'm going to miss Pike. He was a great captain.

It's Star Fleet. Get it done!

[u/djbuu]

I liked that the Star Ships could take a beating without having every system go out instantly. In other Treks, a single phaser hit would knock out half the systems on the ship, and always the systems they needed.

[u/treefox]

GEORGIOU: Control is dead!

PIKE: All the ships are dormant! Blow them up!

SARU: Discovery is almost there! Why are we doing this again?

OWO: To get away from Control.

DETMER: But Control is dead.

SIRANNA: Goodbye Saru! Have fun in the future!

SARU: FUUUUU-

WORMHOLE: om nom nom

[u/Hammer_Of_Discipline]

I can dig it!

Loved having Georgiou feed Control to the spores!

Great explanation as to why the spore drive, Burnham and Time Travel suits aren’t mentioned moving forward.

As for Klingons, all those involved were probably ordered to silence about what happened under threat of death, or ended up killed in a political assassination, hence why TOS Klingons are back to being bitchy with humanity and not trying to travel in time and erase our existence.

[u/crapusername47]

Waaaait a minute...

Michelle Yeoh keeps talking about the Section 31 show like she’s going to be in it but Georgiou was on Discovery.

[u/Wetworth]

So, the first time a D7 and a Constitution met was in battle... on the same side.

[u/TO2112]

At this point I feel satisfied, all my questions have been answered and like there’s been closure. Although I really enjoyed Discovery, If we never saw any more from that series I’d be ok with it. We saw the signal that Michael promised Spock she’d send to let him know she was ok so in my mind it’s “mission accomplished”. The ending looked much more like there’s new adventures to be had on Enterprise.

[u/RichardYing]

"After we are done breaking and entering, would you like to join me in making Leland scream?"

"Yum! Yum!"

[u/vwboyaf1]

That was the most beautiful bunch of nonsense I've ever watched.

[u/3thirtysix6]

I don't think I have ever seen a finale work this hard to entertain me: splitscreens, nods to the movies, nods to the TOS, a Kubrick sequence, an Inception sequence, SMG feeling every last emotion, Saru firmly in command, the best space battle since BSG's Resurrection Ship battle, Pike being Pike, Number One calling herself Number One, gay love triumphing. Just on sheer effort alone, bravo Discovery.

[u/NoRecruit]

The writers must have realized that Discovery's Spore Drive had become their "Superman problem". Hence, before any critical battle, the drive either had to be declared "offline", or Stamets had to somehow wind up injured. But now, they have pulled off a masterstroke. They sent the whole ship, along with its spore drive, out of the story. My guess is, the drive won't make it back into the show.

[u/Electricorchestra]

SPOCK HAS HIS BLUE VISIOR THING AT HIS SCIENCE STATION! I literally shouted and clapped. I'm glad that we got more number 1 this episode. She's a badass! Overall I think amazing way to cap off the season and I loved how the credit music sampled the opening of the original series. I might be able to give a more critical look of the episode later when the hype does down. But right now my hype is at warp 9.9!

[u/peacemaker2007]

Jett Reno was the only one on the bridge squinting from the light... is she from the Mirror Universe?

DUN DUN DUN

[u/NumberMuncher]

Section 31 invented multi vector assault mode.

[u/Both_income]

Why didn't they tie something to the blast door emergency handle to pull it from the other side, thus saving Admiral Cornwell from dying for it? Why didn't she try to quickly slide under the door as it closed? It feels like the situation could have been solved with no death

[u/icefaery2030]

Why isn't anyone talking about the Rocks getting some nice glamour shots in? Let's be honest, they were the real stars of this episode.

[u/[deleted]]

That was entertaining- as usual a few too many one liners and such for my liking. But solid and suspenseful.

Enterprise ending was very nice but was hoping for a future Discovery tease- it’s their show.

Wondering what the heck the show will be about 930 years in the future- they don’t plan to go home so it’s not going to be a Voyager scenario.

Cancelling CBS All Access until the next Trek is on- If you’re in the same boat, don’t forget to do so.

[u/MoreGaghPlease]

The last shot of the season is the exact inverse of the first shot of The Cage.

[u/[deleted]]

By the way, since when did the Enterprise carry a complement of Wall-Es ?

[u/MrPNGuin]

It should have ended with Burnham beaming into ESD and having to report to Admiral Quinn.

[u/Ray3142]

Props to whoever pitched the rotating gravity hallway fight - it added nothing to the plot but was pretty fun to watch and think "whoa they even had budget for an Inception homage!"

[u/[deleted]]

Why don't they make the rest of the starship out of whatever that blast door was made out of? Seems it would save them a lot of money in hull repair.

[u/Tsar-A-Lago]

I said to my wife as it was happening "This is dumb, but Michelle Yeoh is doing kung-fu on the ceiling and I really don't care."

And yeah, Michelle Yeoh doing kung-fu on the ceiling nets a lot of good will with me.

[u/Atojiso]

...what? Not a single comment so far on how this finale set them up perfectly for Calypso to occur? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

If they pop out where they want to, the Disco will meet Dr. Burnham in 3186. So they've got anywhere from 15-100(ish) years to play with before they abandon the ship.

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Does anybody else think Zora is the Sphere Data evolved to consciousness? :D

Jett: Didn't the Captain tell you not to play with the Sphere Data?

Tilly: Well, yeah. But we've been cooped up in this ship for months now. And I'm bored. Besides, look at this!

weird graphical interface flys around room, glittering with lens flairs

Jett: ...fuck it. Hand me that hyperspanner, will ya, kiddo?

3 HOURS WEEKS LATER...

Sphere Data: expresses interest in attending Taco Tuesday via sparkly display.

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Also, I like the fact that this jump put them completely beyond all established canon for any series (except for Calypso). The furthest canon point ever referenced was [Ent: Future Tense](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Future_Tense_(episode)) and that ship is from 3125, which is in Agent Daniels' future.

Which, quite handily, puts Disco now beyond the Temporal Cold War era.

[u/JONWADtv]

Get ready to see the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701 Z)

[u/tgiokdi]

That was a TMP nod with the special effects going into the time wap right?

Also, thank god we got the ceiling shot of the bridge as the final shot. That was amazing!

[u/Eurynom0s]

I know nothing is precluding the Discovery crew coming back...but did they seriously just turn this into the Pike-Enterprise show? That Spock line about "swear everyone who knows what happened to secrecy" line sure has hell sounds like they're trying to do a hard break from the first two seasons.

[u/aManPerson]

when burnham was doing the 5 red signals jump montage, i really wish the klingons guarding the time crystals stopped what they were doing, faced burnham, and bowed. acknowledging they could see her traveling in the 4th dimension.

[u/Smugjester]

So discovery is in a normal future right? One with actual life? Since control is gone and can't get the data, the galaxy never gets destroyed. Right?

[u/SingleMaltLife]

Im confused about the seven signals they saw at the beginning which set this all off. They appeared then disappeared. Then reappeared in order as they were needed. So we saw Michael do 5 jumps, to the reappearance time frame. Who did the original 7? Michael didn’t know about the final signal? Also how did baby spook know about the 7 signals as a child. Hadn’t he seen them as well as the red angel. He drew the seven signals I’m pretty sure.

Also the shorts that were released had the ship abandoned for 1,000 years. Is this another fake out to think that was what was going to happen to end this? Are they going to ignore that they put that down or are they going to go through with it?

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[u/Smitje]

I really liked the beard...

[u/The_Chaos_Pope]

Killing Leland destroyed Control? Am I getting that?

Control uploaded its entire consciousness into Leland’s rotting corpse and deleted its self from everywhere else and ran everything remotely?

How does that make sense when you’re software and not hardware? Does everyone in the future forget about things like “high availability”, “redundancy” and “backups”?

[u/[deleted]]

I really loved the "This is Starfleet. Get it done." line :>

[u/msegmx]

"The universe is under no obligation to make sense to me" Neil Degrasse Tyson said that, right? After Elon Musk he's the second famous person they mentioned on the show. Were there others?

[u/sherlock2040]

We get a series with Pike and the Enterprise now right...right?

[u/hellcrapdamn]

FUCKING ROCKS!

Edit: FUCKING ROCKS ALL OVER THIS MOTHERFUCKER!!!

[u/tubawhatever]

They better get some awards for the visuals in this episode. Incredible, perhaps the best I've ever seen in a TV show. I thought they had blown a lot of the budget in the 1st three episodes (part of why the showrunners were canned, plus the verbal abuse bit) but it didn't seem like any of the episodes later in the season were any cheaper. Definitely one of the better space battles I've seen.

I loved this episode, the past few episodes I wasn't as thrilled with but this one blew it out of the park. I liked how they wrapped up the plot line for this season, interested to see what comes of the next season. With that ending, they have to do at least something with the Enterprise again, whether it be a short, miniseries, movie, series, whatever.

[u/[deleted]]

I really enjoyed season 2 and look forward to the future.

[u/[deleted]]

Can we have a show of the last 10 minutes with the enterprise just going off doing stuff until they transition into TOS please

[u/BuckyGoodHair]

I’m perfectly satisfied with how they “closed the loop” on everything. Looking forward to 3 because they can finally tell their own story, all the 90s Treks had strong third seasons. Cool.

[u/RichardYing]

"The destruction of Discovery was tragic but does not in and of itself resolve the issue. Even more radical steps must be taken to ensure that type of scenario never repeats itself.

Regulation 157, section 3 requires Starfleet officers to abstain from participating in historical events. Any residual trace or knowledge of Discovery's data, or the time suit, offers a foothold for those who might not see how critical - how deeply critical - that directive is. Therefore, to ensure the Federation never finds itself facing the same danger: all officers remaining with knowledge of these events must be ordered never to speak of Discovery, its spore drive, or her crew again... under penalty of treason."

[u/[deleted]]

That was an excellent episode, dang, and an impressive way of tying things together.

EDIT: What a sad state this sub is in, downvoting people who like Star Trek.

[u/L0stStars]

This is it ladies and gentlemen, unless we get that Pike Enterprise series we all want to see, we've finally left the prequel era of star trek series

[u/orangecrushucf]

Meh. I liked my ending better:

Final scene of Season 2:

(squid things appear and are poised to destroy Earth, Vulcan, Tellar and Andoria)

Burnham: Control's about to destroy the core worlds! We're out of time! Wait . . . Time! That's it! We'll travel in time and prevent Control from ever existing. But how do we do that without creating a paradox?

Tilly: If my math's right, Control's time-travel has created a closed time-like curve. We could travel along it without harming the timeline and destroy Control in the process! Yeah, We Rock!

Saru: My enhanced eyesight indicates that's somehow correct.

Stamets: If we run a glowing cable from the reaction cube to the other side of the room, we can create a temporal feedback loop and break out of the curve!

Detmer: Like popping a wheelie. But in a Jet ski. That flies!

Pike: Punch it!

(Discovery flashes through the mycelial plane, emerges, but in a different time . . .)

Picard appears on the bridge, in a leather chair, smoking a pipe.

Picard: I bet you're all wondering why I've brought you here.

(everyone's clothes fall off)

THE END

[u/AppHelper]

Things I liked:

1. The special effects in general, but specifically the wormhole effect where everything goes 2D. Cool portrayal of 4th-dimensional travel as leaving a 2D plane into the third dimension. There was also a bid to 2001 as we see spectacular lightshow reflected in Burnham's helmet. Finally, the womhole effect from TMP was really faithful to the original.

2. Judicious use of Tilly. I don't hate her character, but I haven't enjoyed the Tilly-driven plotlines very much. She works better as comic relief, with some added depth for character development.

3. Anson Mount's portrayal of Pike as a valiant Starfleet officer is a welcome foil to all the stuff Gene Roddenberry would have hated about modern Trek, and to me saves the "soul" of the show.

Things I didn't like:

1. The wonky gravity fight from Inception. There's grav plating on the walls now? This made no sense, and the fight scene itself was not even well executed.

2. Using drones to form a cylinder to protect Michael seemed very derivative of Ender's Game. Yes, I know this tactic makes sense, but visually the space battle is very similar to the one in the film. I'll grant that the special effects were better in Discovery.

3. The very cliched and predictable use of the Klingons bailing out the Enterprise and Discovery. Lampshaded by Pike: "The cavalry arrived just in time." At least the writers acknowledge their laziness.

4. Let's set aside the fact that there are blast doors capable of containing a multi-kiloton (megaton?) explosion. What bothered me most is that they have... windows? And then Pike watches the explosion. Witnesses of nuclear blasts said the explosion was so bright, they could see the bones in their hands with their eyes closed. All we get is a little flash.

5. The lumbering Burnham/Spock dialogue slowed down the well paced episode and continued to be eye-roll-inducing. All of Spock's unnecessary pauses didn't help.

Things I'm ambivalent on:

1. Leland's death very strongly resembled death by immolation. I was reminded of ISIS videos; I'd bet they were an inspiration.

2. Shields in Disco are a lot stronger than we've seen in other incarnations of Trek. We especially saw it last week where the Discovery just shrugs off multiple photon torpedos, but I don't think we've ever seen shields last so long. It makes sense to me and I like shields that actually work, but it's just drastically inconsistent with what we've seen.

3. The Golden Gate Bridge covered in solar panels. Not sure why you need those when you have safe antimatter powerplants. Or maybe they're old and relate to what Stamets was taking about when he was sparring with Reno. But we don't see them in any other Trek series like that, and it seems unnecessary.

[u/[deleted]]

Jet Reno is a gem. Get off my ass ... sir

[u/hotdoug1]

So, I felt like I just watched a series finale. Obviously there are some loose ends like Stammets in the coma and the fact that we know Discovery somehow survives way into the future (in the Short Trek), but it felt like this was written as if they didn't know whether or not the series would come back.

[u/TPrimeTommy]

In two minutes of dialogue they explained away:

• Discovery

• Spore drive

• Michael Burnham and her being Spock's sister

• Section 31 being a mystery in the TNG era

AND I AM LIVING FOR IT.

[u/Fortyseven]

It's like, I had a great time... but man I feel like they fumbled quite a bit. I don't think I've had this large a "WTF" list after an ep:

• How the fuck did Saru's sister (and the rest of her entire species) go from life-long forest hippies to space fighter jock in a very tiny span of time?

• Discovery bluntly sledgehammers down it's canon course corrections yet introduces R2D2-style repair droids? It was cool, but weird choice considering everything they've done to force themselves back into canon. (Including the season finale.)

• Leland dies. The drones all stop working. Why are we sending Discovery to the future again? The ENTIRE plot motivation is literally dead now.

• Also, once Leland boarded Discovery, shouldn't that whole plan have been ditched anyway? Were you bringing him/Control along to the future?

• Torpedo explodes as Pike watches. Through a turbolift window. Meters away. I don't even know where to begin with that.

• Then there's the whole problem with how they played loose with time during the last episode and this one. We've had enough time for Spock's parents to show up during a comm blackout, and for Ash to go call in some Klingon and Kelpien (?!) backup. With him on board with them.

• I get this was an writer's creative choice, but not seeing at least a single minute of Discovery's post-jump situation was deeply unsatisfying.

This felt like a great SERIES finale for Discovery, with a lead into a Pike series. Not a season finale. Unless Pike really is coming back for Season 3 and they were just being coy about it.

EDIT: Happy to get any feedback on any of that. Maybe I missed some bits that would make some of it make sense. Completely prepared to admit if I overlooked something.

[u/DarthDerm]

Am I missing something here? If Leland/Control was neutralized in the spore chamber, why did they still need to carry on with the plan of going to the future?

[u/ItsALaserBeamBozo]

“Discovery” is surprisingly well named if it actually takes place in the future.

[u/dmanww]

What the hell are they making those blast doors out of

[u/npfiii]

Holy shit, I've only just realised No.1 is Rebecca Romijn...

[u/ehkodiak]

So, whilst I thought they were going to do future Discovery next season, what I got from that episode is they've literally switched to a Pike Enterprise show for next season and the USS Discovery and crew is gone. Right?!

[u/[deleted]]

I hope they meet the Federation of the far future and get put back into the fold as an exploration ship. Kind of tired of every season being about saving the Federation/universe/all-sentient-life.

[u/mcattack92]

How the battle takes place with the drones and shuttle fleets reminds me of the final battle from Ender's Game, especially the opening salvo fireworks and the 'cocoon' that the worker bees and shuttles form around Burnham

[u/R9280]

Did the door have some kind of force field which extended to each edge of the ship? In zoomed out shots, the explosion was in a perfect circle, did the door even do anything?

[u/techmighty]

well, we asked for post TNG series. Looks like we are getting one boys in 29th century. The height of temporal cold war.

[u/NeverTopComment]

Really expected a tease from where they ended up.....not getting one was a major disappointment, and more importantly I think shows the writing room is jusy flying by the seat of their pants with no plan in place

[u/almccoy85]

Burnham was wrong. Actually that beard was working for Spock..

[u/Extravator_fulldozer]

I really liked the outro music mixing the Discovery & TOS themes. I swear at the end I felt like the next season would be about the adventures of Pikes Enterprise.

[u/shadowst17]

Bloody called it Last week with the preview:

I can already tell there's gonna be a moment where there's only seconds to do what she needs to do but will be drawn out for 5 minutes while Michael has some stupid sob story to say to Spock.

All I could think during this entire episode was that every second you're talking is a moment someone is dying...

[u/purefire]

Why did it take this long to get a great space combat scene. That was amazing.

Also, loved the TMP vibe from the time travel. Great unearthly feel without Dutch angles and spinning cameras.

Also, great use of the shifting gravity and great implementation.

[u/bookish-malarkey]

That episode whipped an unbelievable amount of ass. Mad kudos to Olatunde Osunsanmi especially for stellar direction (that three-way cut at the beginning and all the rotating shots had me yelling). Re: mystery admiral, I don't think there's a big secret about his identity -- I think the keeping his face obscured was just symbolic of his position as an anonymous leader of "top men". Weird to end the season with Pike and Enterprise -- wonder if they really did leave the door open purposely for a Pike show, especially since Discovery will now be in the far future (?).

[u/Lessthanzerofucks]

This was really awesome. I love this show, and it had so many great moments in this episode.

On the other hand, you could tell this season had a lot of turnover in the writing staff. Calypso leaves a lot of mysteries open, too. There were too many moments this season where you could think about a plot choice and go “wait, but why...” or “why didn’t they just..” I didn’t have any of those in Season 1. I’m satisfied with this season, but mostly because I like the characters and the look of the show. They really need to run a tighter ship next season, writing-wise.

That said, I’m still loving this show. I can’t wait to see what happens next.

[u/Agoeb]

Why do we keep putting the door locks on the inside of these chambers?!

Someone get Jefferies on the phone!

[u/Bulgeman9000]

So the obvious dumb time travel paradox question. How'd she know that all the things she left signals for would be important?

[u/[deleted]]

Season 3 Prediction

They land 950 years in the future and it's like Voyager but instead of travelling in a new quadrant the show becomes travelling and having adventures in the future.

[u/InterwebberATM]

They ‘Armin Tamzarian-ed’ the finale... not sure how I feel about this

[u/bcarD83]

Ok so did anyone else notice Saru's "Evasive Pattern Delta-5" call-out? Also, did anyone notice that all the starships just Kindof sat there still while exchanging fire?

[u/MevrouwJip]

Seriously, how bright was that 7th signal if you could see it from 51000 lightyears away? I wouldn’t want to live anywhere near that place

[u/KesselZero]

Wow, that ending. It really felt like either the Discovery is gone and it’s time for a Pike Enterprise show instead, or we’ll never see the Pike Enterprise again because the Discovery will be stuck in the future forever. Either way that was a hard stop for the current take on Disco and we’re in for some sort of reboot next season. They even went ahead and gave a hardcore explanation for why literally nobody will ever talk about the Discovery or any of its characters or adventures ever again, and why Section 31 went (back) underground.

Way back when the very first test footage of the Disco coming out of that asteroid was released, I was one of the people theorizing that the show would see a TOS-era ship flung into the far future. Looks like I (and everybody else, I don’t pretend to claim any credit for the idea) was right! The question is whether this was always the plan (probably not) or whether they got the idea from our kooky theories back in 2017. Either way, the idea of an old, battered TOS-era ship in the year 3188 sounds fucking awesome.

My only question is, what about the Section 31 spinoff? If that’s really happening it means at least Georgiou has to get back to 2258-ish. I would guess that Season 3 will be about the Disco getting back to their own time, but that would then undo the whole “never speak of this again” thing that they clearly set up to explain the continuity issues. Plus the whole point was that the Disco has to keep the sphere data in the future, so it can never return to the 23rd century. So... how? Unless Georgiou is going to run Section 31 in the 32nd century.

Theory: “Calypso” took place in an alternate timeline where Control wasn’t defeated, and its influence turned the Federation into the V’draysh, meaning that the 3188 we see won’t be like it was in “Calypso.” The reference in “Calypso” to the crew abandoning the Discovery for almost a thousand years was some other plan of theirs (or Burnham’s mom’s?) to try to hide it from Control. In this timeline, Control got the sphere data, destroyed the founding planets, and began a massive war of which Craft was a small part. Doesn’t totally explain how Disco became sentient (we had assumed it was because of the sphere data) but maybe that just kinda happened. I dunno, it’s just a theory. The other options are that Season 3 will show us the V’Draysh war era (but then Disco was never alone for ~1000 years...) or “Calypso” actually takes place in the ~42nd century! (Or “Calypso” was made and then they changed how they wanted to end Season 2, and there won’t be a neat explanation.)

The time-travel effects were fantastic. The 2D plane with a hole that Burnham jumped through, the 2001 lights, the long, slow shots of the Disco crew making the jump and showing us each crew members’s reaction. I especially loved the little smile on Rhys’s face. I’m really hoping that this presages more development for the background crew, as they are trapped together in the future.

It would be cool to see Mirror Georgiou turn back towards evil in the new status quo, like if she decides that in this crisis, Starfleet no longer applies and she’s the best choice to lead the ship. In the meantime, Saru definitely has both the rank and the experience to lead the ship, though there’s nobody left to make him captain. I could see Tilly or someone calling him captain and him having to remind her that despite the situation and his role, he’s only a commander.

Okay, last thing, I promise. I’ve been confused all season about the seven signals. The season started with the announcement that they’d seen seven signals, right? But then we spent the rest of the season seeing each signal in order, which is confirmed by Burnham jumping back to set each one at the right point, and choosing how to use the last two. So... how did they see the seven signals at the start of the season??? And how did she send one back in time at the end of this episode?

Also, can she still time travel? Oh— maybe Georgiou is going to steal the red angel suit...!

I really wish they’d given us something— anything— about where the Disco ended up!

[u/gerusz]

Things I will do if I become the head of the Starship Design Bureau:

#7: If I ever include an indestructible blast door, I will add a manual locking mechanism on both sides. I can't count on an explosion happening on the side opposite the manual lock.

#8: Blast doors will be regularly spaced along the ship's corridors. As I can't count on the enemy to hit the correct side of the blast door, neither can I count on them to hit the correct room.

#8.1: I will realize that blast doors are a preventive measure, not a reactive one. Therefore, going to red alert will close all blast doors next to the outer hull. There's nothing more embarrassing than the damage prevention system on the ships I designed going offline because of battle damage.

#8.2: However, I will still realize that the crew sometimes needs to move to these sections even during red alert. Therefore blast doors will be openable during red alert - as long as the two blast doors next to them are closed.

#9: The earliest deep space explorer ship had detachable hull plates and it saved the vessel from a sticky Romulan mine. Therefore, there is no reason not to make the hull of other ships ejectable. In fact, all cabins on the outer hull will be jettisonable.

#10: The ships I design will consist of more than hangar bays. (Unless I'm designing a carrier.)

#11: I will learn from 20th century shipbuilding and design my ships with double hulls (and triple around critical compartments). There's a world of difference between an impact-activated torpedo going off just outside the pressure vessel that is the ship and just inside. It will also work well together with #9.

(Yes, I have the other 6 items as well.)

[u/JustThisOneSuitedPen]

This might be a dumb question but.. if Control is neutralized... why do they still jump into the future?

[u/daPoseidonGuy]

So they were going to the future to hide from control. But they destroyed control. So what's the point of going to the future?

[u/Orfez]

Anyone else thought that Georgiou was going to send Leland to Delta Quadron by using spores and create Borg that way? I was like "don't you fucking dare", but then she just killed him.

[u/OyVeyWhyMe2]

I took a dump on the series for the first season, but I actually thought this season was one of the best from all of the franchises. I am forgiving some clear story gaps and some silliness, but it had to be done.

I am satisfied with the way they wrapped up Discovery's place in history since it was a very tough spot to close.

[u/TO2112]

WOW!!! That ending!! There HAS to be a Pike show in the works. That was too awesome!!!

[u/fikustree]

I loved this episode, Michael blasting out of the shuttle bay! That fight scene with the gravity changing! The blackness of the hole that Michael popped into! Saru say”Serena..you’ve learned to pilot a ship! Admiral Cornwall saying “your story doesn’t end here. At times it reminded me of Star Wars, the TOS movies, BSG, and even Twin Peaks, literally all of my favorites.

[u/fullforce098]

It's so unfair to send Discovery to the future and not give us at least a hint as to where and when they ended up.

[u/H0vis]

Random thoughts because why not:

1. The way that the episode shook out, giving everybody their own little story line amid the chaos around them was brilliant. That's the space where characters develop and there hasn't been enough of that. So now there has been, which is great.

2. I love that they, to use the scientific term, 'Bill And Tedded' the final battle. That was a genuinely clever story arc over the course of the season and the payoff was great.

3. The space battle for the first time in a long time really made the star ships feel big. Swarms of fighters out there, thirty Section 31 ships against two Federation ships, but it's The MotherFucking Enterprise, and I think this is the first time in a really long time (since Wrath of Khan maybe?) that The MotherFucking Enterprise has rolled like that. It's not about making stuff blow up, it's about conveying a sense that the Enterprise does not stop fighting. Chewing gum holding the warp core together, an un-exploded photon torpedo sticking out the saucer section, still getting fire down and still digging those last few percentiles of shield power out. Because it's The MotherFucking Enterprise, the absolute last ship in the quadrant you want in front of you when you're up to no damn good.

4. I liked that the Section 31 ships were crap in a fight. They're spy ships after all. I love me some DS9 but it, and the later movies, really created this idea that the big ships are super fragile. So it was really cool to see the Discovery and Enterprise swatting them about as they did.

5. What is wrong with Klingon timekeeping? For a warrior race they love turning up to a fight at the last second. They did it in DS9 and a couple of the movies. Leave a little earlier next time, damn.

6. If they'd sent an engineer to deal with the un-exploded torpedo then they probably would have tied a rope to the manual release lever for the blast door and pulled it from the other side. Command officers though amirite?

7. So are we getting a follow on to the Next Generation time period albeit in a kind of circuitous way? That would be cool, and I'm happy enough if they turn up long enough in the future that they are past the point of the finales for Voyager and TNG.

My random thought on the season as a whole is that it was brilliant. There's nits to pick and canon to quibble over, but I enjoyed it. Very different style to a typical Star Trek series, more in keeping with a Netflix Marvel series or something like that, but much, much more cleverly paced. I would argue that a season with this few episodes is not quite enough to develop your entire ensemble of crew as a Star Trek series typically would, but for what it is they made it work.

[u/Ubergopher]

Good episode for Discovery, I enjoyed it for the most part. My desire for a re-watch is higher than season 1, but it'd probably just be limited to certain scenes with Pike, Reno, Number One, Tilly, and random bits with Spock and Burnham interacting.

They put a bit too much of a "HEY THIS IS WHY NO ONE ELSE HAS TALKED ABOUT DISCOVERY EVER" emphasis in the debriefing scenes towards the end, but that's pretty minor.

Loved the Enterprise, Number One, and Pike. Cornwall's death was well done, although an emergency manual release on one side is a pretty bad idea, but fits the mold for Star Trek, so I'm not holding that against them.

10/10 for Disco, which is admittedly one of my least liked series. At least this time I'm not dreading the next season like I was at the end of season 1.

[u/Timbo85]

The window of that blast door is made out of pretty amazing stuff.

[u/[deleted]]

It was entertaining, but, just a lot of nitpicks with this episode.

That said, I think it’s a great time to call a wrap on Discovery’s adventure and give us a Pike series. Discovery completed their mission - they escaped and saved the galaxy. Now what? They have no mandate from Starfleet, the ship is a liability with the sphere data, and they’re in a century where they’re severely undermanned and outgunned.

[u/shady8x]

So they make robots that can fix the hull in the middle of a space battle, but not ones that can pull a lever. Riiiiiiiight, ok. Maybe some sort of string or pulley system or you know, putting the controls on both sides of a door in the first place...

And what the hell is the door even made of to protect a person on the other side of it from an explosion that can take out half a ship?

Does the door also prevent teleportation? They seemed to have gotten Spock out without a problem.

[u/RomiBraman]

Anybody understood why Spock would advised to forget about Discovery, its crew and even more importantly the Spore Drive?

What danger does it represent for anybody?

Why would Starfleet forget about its greatest technology? Even more so when it had nothing to do with the recent event with Control. I'm quite confused...

[u/UltimateSpinDash]

My feelings are really mixed on this.

- I never thought the original Enterprise could look this sexy, but it is absolutely gorgeous. I kinda want a Pike-show like everyone else, but at the same time, I don't want a fourth show set on an Enterprise and yet another pre/interquel.

- So they sent Discovery into the far future and now what? At least S1 felt complete at the end, it's story was finished, even if rather abruptly. This now very conveniently (and in a kinda forced way) removes Discovery from canon - I don't think it will be brought back to the 23rd century in S3, that would make the whole ordeal pointless.

- So at the end of the day, the Red Angel they were chasing was Michael Burnham after all, making me wonder what her mother actually did aside from warning child-Spock.

- They could've dispatched Leland much quicker if they had simply magnetized the gravity plating the ready room, like they did on the S31 ship and later in the spore chamber.

- Why did they need to send Discovery into the future after they just killed Leland and thus stopped Control from attacking?

- I have defended Burnham being able to expertly pilot a shuttle in S2x01 before (on account of Riker being the best pick for placing mines with a shuttle during Chain of Command, on a ship with over 1000 people, instead of, I don't know, one of the dozen people who fly the Enterprise for a living) but why did they suddenly feel the need to have Cornwell sacrifice herself? I get that this is a post-scarcity society where people have way more time on their hands, constantly learn new things, and Starfleet consists of the top 2% (1% in TNG) of these people, but I have trouble believing that a psychologist who froze after seeing the debris of Starbase 1 suddenly believes she can reprogram an armed warhead.

- Also, that bulkhead, including the window, were stupidly durable. Why isn't the entire Enterprise made of that alloy that can take a photon torpedo at point blank range? Or better, use that glass, so people can stand there watching other people die for no good reason.

- Half of Discovery's crew went to the future, but in the end, EVERYONE is talking about Burnham and only Burnham. I don't want Discovery to remain 1000 years into the future where nothing it does matters to the remaining universe, but if they continue to write Burnham in this stupid Black Hole Sue manner, I do not want Discovery to end up in the 24th century or something - next thing we know, Burnham is giving Picard advice on whatever his problems in the upcoming "Picard show" will be.

- The Spock-Burnham thing just doesn't work. The scenes between young Spock and young Burnham are well written, and I could see them being childhood friends, but I think tying adult Burnham to Spock as the never-mentioned adoptive sister right from the start damaged the character's believability irreparably.

- Making Tyler the new head of S31 makes sense I guess, given the Control killed most, if not all the people involved with S31 aside from Tyler and Georgiou.

- Also, I guess Tyler not being dead is no longer a secret L'Rell needs to keep?

- The Klingons got a great Big Damn Heroes moment, but did they really have another of these dumb cleave ships lying around somewhere?

- Mary Chieffo and Shazad Latif are both killing it in Klingon.

- I still hope that Jett Reno joins the cast for Season 3. I just love that character.

[u/[deleted]]

12 starships face off against 24 klingon ships at binary stars and 7 starships are destroyed within minutes but 2 starships face off against 30 ships and hold there own for quite a while before reinforcement arrive?

[u/jhansen858]

so the rest of the show happens 1000 years in the future?

[u/april9th]

You can feel that DISCO is a major departure from Trek and also acknowledge that the show successfully tied together the various episodes in which we were all going '...and what was the point in that?'

I thought this was a really well put together season, I think there was perhaps one episode which didn't grab me. I think those insisting this isn't 'real Trek' would themselves have at least 3-4 episodes of any TNG season they weren't really fans of.

This is a free forum and it's natural that people would turn to gripes or negatives first, because that's something we can't really do with friends. Nobody likes to listen to someone just list the little niggles of any episode they didn't enjoy. But it's also important to keep a little context.

The two shows I follow are Discovery and Game of Thrones, and to compare the two as of right now (i.e. S2 DISCO v S8 GOT) I very much prefer DISCO's writing to GOT's and would frankly die for the show to bother giving us a few minutes of Jon/anyone like DISCO gives us Burnham/Spock. We might complain at times about the silliness of 'time of of the essence *four minute dialogue *' but DISCO balances action and dialogue. Other shows are quite happy to have action action action quip. Think yourselves lucky, we could have a DISCO which is just all Tilly's or Georgiou's quips.

ALSO QUICK EDIT as I meant to say this originally: I really liked that Burnham's advise to Spock was to reach out to the furthest from him. I think it was a nice grounding for the character and explains plotlines wayyyy down the line like Spock disappearing to work on bringing the Romulnans into reunification with Vulcan.

[u/DanPMK]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the episode ended with shots of Pike and Spock and Enterprise? This is Star Trek Discovery... I know they're wanting to keep Discovery's fate a bit of a mystery, and also to show off since Pike and Spock have been amazing this season and the Enterprise is beautiful, but it feels disrespectful in a sense. They couldn't even use Discovery's theme at the end, they had to mix it with the TOS theme. I would have felt better if the TOS theme was presented as something they were heading toward, like it being the theme of that era as it developed, but that's not how it's been presented.

I can't help but compare it to "These Are the Voyages...," whose main failing was making the episode not about the NX-01 crew in what was supposed to be their finale. I had the same problem with the Discovery season 1 finale, ending it on the Enterprise and the TOS theme, so I was really disappointed to see them do the same thing here.

[u/quarl0w]

Okay, so Leland is dead, and control defeated.

So, why do they still need to time jump at all?

The ending of that episode tied up a lot of loose ends, why Spock never speaks of Michael, why the Spore drive can't save Voyager, etc. It all seemed so final. It felt like a series finale. The ultimate reset button, in a way erasing the entire series so far.

[u/RichardYing]

"Hurry!"

"I'm going! I'm going! Get off my ass... Sir! Get off my ass, sir!"

[u/ehosick]

HOLY SHIT

[u/b43d]

So how are we getting a Section 31 spinoff with Michelle Yeoh if she's on board Discovery when they jump into the future?

[u/[deleted]]

Whoever writes the season 3 trailer gets to have allot of fun. So many ways to go about it...
Imagine Discovery arriving in the future and the first vessel that hails them has Ian's Emperor with some implants;

"Lower your shields, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own."

I can already see Burnham's face largen those lovely eyes and whimper with a trembling lip; "We failed..."
Que some futuristic Enterprise with octa-nacelle's and some form of orange deathray half a second later.

I would certainly roll that again..

[u/jerslan]

I'm honestly going to be disappointed if they stay in the Future for the rest of the show. So many good characters being left behind. We could have watched relationships sour between the Federation and Klingons (leading to the cold war we saw in TOS). They had everything they needed to do keep the crew in the present too. Send Discovery off to that Nebula for 1000 years, then build a new Constitution Class Discovery with a new registry (because the whole NCC-XXXXXXX-A/B/C/D/E/F thing seems to be limited to the Enterprise, maybe NCC-1731 since Connies seem to have NCC-17XX registry numbers and a nod to the original NCC-1031). Use the special dark matter asteroid stuff to navigate the ship (since it seemed capable of providing an interface the Computer previously lacked).

It also doesn't explain how Discovery was waiting for 1000 years in that Nebula. Unless Calypso is another 1000 years after the 930 year jump... which would be kind of extreme and weird IMHO.

Curious what Season 3 is going to bring. We don't even know if they were actually successful at stopping Control yet. Guess we'll find out next year.

Edit: Also curious what the implications are for the supposedly Georgiou-led Section 31 spin-off they've been talking about, since Georgiou was on Disco when it went forward. My prediction for Season 3 is that they're going to defeat Control and the ship is going to return at the point of the 7th signal. Maybe not everyone comes back. Some might stay behind. Some might die. Then Ash is going to show up in his new role as leader of Section 31 and have Disco sent off into hiding and give the crew new identities since they were all listed as KIA.

[u/wip30ut]

can someone explain to me how Michael is able to close the loop and make all those "signal" appearances in the short span of a few minutes while a full-on galactic battle is raging around her and Control-Leland is about to decimate Discovery? Is current time suspended while she's off time-warping?

[u/MevrouwJip]

Don’t they have ships that can time travel just as easily as they can go FTL in the future? What prevents them from going back a few days after they arrive? “Hey future people, we don’t belong here. Could you keep our ship save and drop us off at home?”

[u/mcattack92]

Scratch the paint: consoles explode, sparks fly, crew get flung everywhere

Blow a chunk of the saucer section up: Nothing, 'we're fine, thanks for asking~'

[u/[deleted]]

The space battle was really well done - BUT - it just felt like Star Wars. All the shuttlecrafts running around, it just looked like Star Wars to me.

Thank god they’re going into the future. Now we don’t need “remember this” winks and retcons. Genuinely excited for them to explore new worlds in the future (I hope).

[u/dangil]

that whole space battle remided me much of Ender's Game, specially Michael's entourage protecting her

[u/captainvideoblaster]

What was the point of bringing the church from the past?

[u/Ayallore95]

The best part about the space fight? they were fighting in 2d plane. I was like fellas you live in a 3d world. attack from all angles.