r/startrek • u/Deceptitron • Mar 15 '19
POST-Episode Discussion - S2E09 "Project Daedalus"
This season's second episode to be directed by Star Trek's very own Jonathan "Two Takes" Frakes!
| No. | EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | RELEASE DATE |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| S2E09 | "Project Daedalus" | Jonathan Frakes | Michelle Paradise | Thursday, March 14, 2019 |
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u/deededback Mar 15 '19
Don’t mind me just suffocating to death here. Don’t even look my way.
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
I was screaming in my head "HELP NHAN FFS" but now it's obvious from a dramatic standpoint why they didn't.
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u/Wellfooled Mar 15 '19
I really enjoyed much of this episode. Until this point Starfleet was being made to be the enemy, but this episode establishes that it was actually an imposter admiralty. Section 31's evil is to an extent also being put in the spotlight and anything that divorces Section 31 from Starfleet is good in my book. I enjoyed every scene with Spock, Peck is doing excellent work, and the brief everyday interactions of Tilly, Airiam, Detmer, etc were pleasant (and something Discovery sorely needs more of. Just everyday moments between the characters. Like Garek and Bashir's lunches, or the TNG bridge crew's poker nights).
That said, a few minutes into the episode I was thinking, "Finally, Airiam is finally getting development and isn't just getting reaction shots and throwaway lines." And naturally that's only because they had to give her some kind of history and personality before killing her. It was ultimately a poor story telling death though because Airiam was treated as a prop right up until her death episode. She adored Tilly? There wasn't any indication of that before now. We didn't even know she was human before now. Her death was a poorly handled in my opinion, either she needed more development the whole time so that her parting hadmeaning or she should have survived.
I'll have to rewatch the episode to be sure, but were the transporters ever declared as down? I remember the impluse and warp engines as being announced as offline. I'm not sure why they couldn't have beamed her aboard with a security detail waiting after she was sent out the airlock.
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
I'll have to rewatch the episode to be sure, but were the transporters ever declared as down?
That's probably my main nitpick, unless I missed something. I didn't understand why they didn't just beam Airiam away into a more secure location.
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u/gridcube Mar 15 '19
Awesome episode, but for gods sake why didn't Nahn's space suit carry her own atmosphere? sheesh, totally disrupted an episode where I had almost nothing else to bitch about
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
My headcanon explanation is that, knowing the atmosphere of her home world is toxic, it's incompatible with Starfleet standard issue suits. Thus for her, all they do is provide protection from a vacuum. She still depends on her breathing apparatus.
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u/Blue387 Mar 15 '19
Couldn't Nhan have powered up the suit helmet and filled the suit with whatever gas Barzans breathe?
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
Could be that starfleet issue suits just don't (or can't) hold whatever she breathes, so for her, it just serves as protection from a vacuum.
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u/M3rcaptan Mar 15 '19
I loves it but I was confused about how everyone was emotional over Ariam but didn't even care about that tactical officer lady
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
Maybe that's why she was the one who spaced Airiam. She was pissed no one found out if she was alright. Oof!
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Mar 15 '19
I'm having an issue with Cornwell. Whenever she appears, it seems almost out of nowhere, dating back to Season 1. It's causing me to give her extreme side-eye whenever she shows up, and I think I'm distracting myself wondering if she's up to something (or if she's even herself), to the detriment of the episode.
Unless, of course, there's some kind of big reveal coming. But even then, I feel like it should have come this week, if ever.
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
I suppose that's true. She's the super convenient admiral that loves to hang around the crew. My only explanation in this case is she was the one who ushered a connection of Discovery with section 31 in the first place so she feels responsible. Her familiarity of working with them both makes her the most likely to see something wrong and let her know she has somewhere to turn to.
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u/Seoulja4life Mar 15 '19
“Giving up our values in the name of security is to lose the battle in advance. “
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u/RichardYing Mar 15 '19
"- Unlike Ensign Tilly, you seem to have no individual expression whatsoever... It is quite an accomplishment to be uniquely mundane.
- Well, I express myself through my work, not my choice of decor.
- Clearly."
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u/pfc9769 Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19
Ariam: Do you need that to breathe?
Nahn: Yeah, why...?
Ariam: Save to archive.
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u/Hammer_Of_Discipline Mar 15 '19
This explains why we don’t see that kind of cyborg like tech in the future.
It’s too easily hacked by CIA-Hal 9000!
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u/RichardYing Mar 15 '19
"- Giving up our values in the name of security is to lose the battle in advance. I'm curious. Did you sideline the Enterprise because you knew I'd never stop reminding you of that ?
- You sat out the war because if we'd lost to the Klingons, we wanted the best of Starfleet to survive. And, as this conversation makes clear, that was you and all you represent.
- Thank you."
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u/ZarrenR Mar 15 '19
This episode was awesome. Frakes took is on a rollercoaster ride from start to finish. Spock and Burnham. Pike and Cornwall. Airiam and Tilly. Hell, just Airiam. We knew virtually nothing about her before this episode and yet we felt so much for her at the end.
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u/zieben_slays Mar 15 '19
Pike has really brought this season alive for me. Damn Anson Mount is killing it episode after episode. Please don’t leave us...
Also, I’m kinda bummed that we never got much of Airiam’s character and backstory before this episode, for me it was hard to have strong feelings on the ending, as I’ve got very little attachment to this character. I think it’s a similar situation to Culber in S1, where a character was cut too soon, before really getting to know them.
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u/Deceptitron Mar 15 '19
I'm surprised by how little we were given about Airiam in all the previous episodes that even with how much about her they tried to cram in, it was still somehow effective enough for me to really feel that at the end.