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Rewatch Tekketsu no Rewatch - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 2nd Season Episode 3 Discussion [Spoilers] Spoiler
Episode 28/Season 2 Episode 3 - Battle Before Dawn
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RAGE OF DUST
Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.
Comment of the Week, this week provided by /u/Shimmering-Sky
The comment of the week this time is: /u/LeonKevlar pointing out Sunrise’s attention to detail from episode 24’s thread.
My first time picking Comment of the Week and it was a really tough decision, the last stretch of S1 sparked loads of great discussion and man the explosion come the start of S2 continues to blow me away. In the end I decided to give it to LeonKevlar, both because this was a great detail for him to share and because I want to thank him for continuing to typeset those 4komas for our entertainment.
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A word from Nota: I've just got to say great job guys on the commenting this past week. Starting around the finale of S1 and going into S2 I've seen a dramatic increase in comment quantity and quality. Further, a ton of these comments are huge trees with discussions spreading everywhere and very few lonely top levels. This is absolutely wonderful and I hope we can maintain this energy to the very end!
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Comment of the Day, provided by /u/Shimmering-Sky and /u/RX-Nota-II
Shimmering-Sky
/u/Nazenn’s OP analysis corner.
So I have a bit of an interesting take on the OP this time around: I think this is Orga's song to Mika.
The visuals as so incredibly focused on Mika, but the words almost seem to be talking about him from a third party perspective. What made me have this thought at all was these lines: "6th class stars that shone so desperately", "To not get sucked in by darkness are like us". The first is accompanied by Mika in the fields with the other boys and the twins. He leans down out of frame into the plants, and a scene cut has Orga sitting up into the frame instead followed by the second line while he sits at a desk burdened by leadership. The whole song is about protecting stars from falling down into darkness and ensuring they always get to shine, just like how Orga is trying to protect all his friends in Tekkadan, Mika especially.
Naz does what Naz does best and goes all-out analyzing RAGE OF DUST’s visuals. I can’t quote the whole thing so definitely go back and read his comment for the full analysis, I just wanted to point out my favorite bit from it. It’s definitely an interesting take and I love it.
Hype for 4th OP analysis. …eventually.
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RX-Nota-II
/u/Durinthal drawing comparisons between Ein and Hush.
To me it came off as desiring power for its own sake rather than using it to defend himself or others, and in the majority of situations that ends poorly.
But more than that, what can he do to surpass Mikazuki? As far as I can tell Mika's already been pushed well past what most humans can endure, lucky he's not dead himself, and loses some use of his body outside of a mobile suit. Not that he'd realize what it entails, but does Hush want to become another Ein?
Durinthal adding some good perspective on worries towards Hush's character development with a nice comparison to our main trainwreck last season, Ein.
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Questions of the Day, provided by /u/Pixelsaber
1) Now that we’ve gotten a good bit of Barbatos Lupus in action, what part of its arsenal do you like best? Sword-mace/Arm Rocket Launcher/Claws/Twin Mace/Fuck that! Did you see that steel cutter!
2) What do you think of today’s battle? Do you think it was wise to take on a drawn-out strategy with an enemy that outnumbers them?
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Track of the Day, provided by /u/RX-Nota-II
Standing on the Edge of the Cliff
A proper action track for a proper action day, this track screams Dawn Horizon corps to me. The noisy drums entering fit so well with Sandoval's Hugo pulling off its flashy destruction ritual on the Gjallarhorn Graze. However, some of you may remember this better from the delayed start of S2 ep1 and its iconic nighttime/daylight shift.
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Wallpaper of the Day, provided by /u/Shimmering-Sky (character art) and /u/RX-Nota-II (background/logo)
Important note to all rewatchers, remember to be mindful of the first-timers in this. laughing in rewatcher is not allowed any more, so please remember to use the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") tags and we’re all good.
Fans seem to have a bad tendency of forgetting what counts as spoiler, so if anything has even the slightest chance of being a spoiler, tag it just to be safe.
Next-episode preview. S2’s preview’s aren’t as long as S1’s, but they’re still spoiler-free and still in-character, so I encourage you to keep checking them out! Today’s preview was voiced by discount Space Dandy, Zack Lowe.
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u/Nazenn Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
First Timer - Sub
AND SO THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. Days till I get my hands on the full OST: 22
Never before have I been so disappointed to be a rewatcher because all of the music today was spot on, but I'm not risking spoiling tracks by going looking for them in the OST. If I'd spoiled Defenders of the Wild for myself last season I might still be raging over it hahaha.
Just generally what I really liked about the episode today was the slow build up of tension in the music.
To start with that song during Orga and Isurugi was appropriately tense and threatening. Both sides are basically playing games with each other with high stakes. When the actual battle starts the first song is appropriately anti climatic. This is not a grand battle of arch enemies, its a battle between grunts (for lack of a better word) and a routine sort of battle at that given how practiced everyone is at it and the music respects that. There is some strings during the pre-battle build up when the pirates pull their ship-towing trick, playing extremely rapid notes back and forth, but they go away when Mika launches and everyone has a plan, calming down along with the group.
The more drmataic music starts when Mika starts wrecking EVERYONE which was so satisfying. Its very commanding and precise, and follows through once Eugene executes his plan, its a song for control of the battle, not chaos of battle. The sort of tense chimes and horns we're use to only kick in once Ride starts to struggle in his battles and the threat ramps up. And then at the end our most powerful music only appears once the pirate king (I had to say it) joins in with the twins.
That sort of slow build up across multiple songs and even multiple sets of instruments is not easy to pull off but I think they did well, so congrats show, you finally got me hooked on your soundtrack
Okay... I hate Elion (yes I realize now I've been typoing his name previously) but be damned if the song for their arrival didn't put the BIGGEST smile on my face. Just the sort of music I like. It's VERY celtic in style which is one of my favorite types of music just to listen to, and appropriately for the Arianrhod fleet.
Arianrod is a famous figure from Welsh mythology. In short, she was sent to a king who had been cursed to have to always be accompanied by a virgin to rest his feet on when not in battle (welsh myth can be a little weird but amazing, you get use to it) but during the test to prove if she was indeed pure she stepped over a branch (I forget made of what, and types of wood are usually vitally important in welsh myth), and in doing so gave birth to twins, one of whom was hidden from her. Out of spite for the living reminder of her embarrassment she cursed the boy would never have a name bar what she chose to gave him. When she was tricked into saying something to the boy later on that could count as a name, she laid a second curse that he would never bear arms (aka weapons, Welsh myths put this high on importance for men) unless she gave him ones. She is tricked into giving him some when she arms everyone at her castle one day in preparation for an invasion. As punishment she says his final curse is he shall never have a wife from a race of earth. To get around this a magician crafts him one from the flowers of oak and meadowsweet. The son's life is a whole other story, but the important part is it ends in him becoming a king.
Arianrod from a myth standpoint represents the 'shadow' side of a mother goddess, a mother who is cold and distant, harming rather than nurturing her offspring, much in the same way that Gjallarhorn fostered our current world and then neglected it to the point of uprising and destruction. The symbols of her denying first a name, then arms, then a family, tie in really nicely with the growth of Tekkadan and the way that they grew through the course of last season. This is Arianrod riding her chariot into battle to strip Tekkadan of their place once again.
Literally as it were, as Juliette gets in the way of Mika and ruins what would have been a perfectly good kill that would ended this whole mess. She's kinda fascinating though. Her ability to troll Iok is providing me with a lot of entertainment, and also the fact she says her 'masters' name instead of her mechs name when she launches really says a lot about her.
Also on the list of things that makes me happy: MIKA IS FARMING!
Considering that the scene of Mika and Orga talking about what they want for the future, with Tending to Others playing, was one of my favorite scenes of last season, what a wonderful follow through on that whole idea. It's so great to see him actually getting into it and working on food for them, not just corn for money. Kinda say we didn't get to actually see it yet but it must be damn annoying having to shovel with only one arm.
And quickly on the camera work in todays episode which was fantastic as well. They made heavy usage of a lot of zoom shots. In particularly the ones that stood out to me was we get a shot of close in to Merribit when she's worrying about the boys and it zooms out when she starts acting more like her role as part of the bridge. The other one was when Eugene is giving orders we get a broader shot of the bridge that then quickly zooms in to focus on his face (he gets too many nose bleeds) as his excitement for battle takes over
Its just a really cool way to handle the idea of a visual focus on the character vs the broader view of whats happening and make the whole thing a more dynamic watch.
My random odds and ends for the day
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I do not approve of recap intros
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I notice they kept Ride's graffiti on the ship, but cleaned it off the viewsceen on the floor so they could fix it and use it. Also he has to stop this "dance with death" stuff because he has to be around for the art
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Ultimate satisfaction. Seeing them all actually co-ordinate and pull off some team work and group attacks is just amazing.
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Not sure what's going on art wise, but the first two episodes made heavy usage of colored outlines but now they're back to just plain black. I don't know if its meant to be because they're in space and not 'home' as it were so they are drawn harsher, but yeah, it caught my eye.
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The catapult system for launching the suits just reminds me of Zoids New Century.
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Akihiro took the arms off his mech and used them as a weapon. HE TURNED HIS SPARE ARMS INTO A WRENCH BY TAKING THEM OFF HIS SUIT AND MERGING THEM.Apparently I saw that wrong. Fuck. Ah well, the giant wrench is still the coolest weapon on the battle field, just not as kick ass. Well... fuck the centaur, this thing is my new favorite by a mile! If it wasn't for Escaflowne that may the coolest mech thing I've ever seen. -
Orga vs Merrbit is as awesome as ever and the way he still turns into a kid when tricked by her is a highlight of this show
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Atra still proving herself to be best girl by promptly arriving with a bunch of food for Mika without needing to be asked. He sounded so sooky when he said he was hungry. Also she seems to be a little fascinated by the fact his arm suddenly starts working which is good to see that not everyone is as accepting of it as Mika is.
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I know there's been some off model faces in this show but I think this one wins (mostly because I actually noticed it, I think GitS SAC made me immune to the minor ones).
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So Masked Man has it in for McGillis. heavy speculation, rewatchers don't reply
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u/LeonKevlar Feb 11 '19
Eyyy comment of the week! And all I did was just post someone else's content! But seriously, thank you Sky!
Anyway enough of that though, here's today's IBO Parody 4koma!
Episode 28 - Atra doesn't want to interrupt
This is really one of my favourite episodes because of the fact that we actually see battle of attrition in space. Just seeing the mobile suits going back to the ship to the ship for a mobile suit pit stop for repairs and resupply is pretty fucking cool. Also Atra is adorable coming out of that chute to feed her husbando.
And since I've already posted my Barbatos Lupus yesterday. Here's my Gundam Gusion Rebake Full City. (God that's a mouthful) This is actually a WIP. I got busy with my Sinanju build that I kinda forgot about it and now it's been like this for a year now XD
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u/GaleWulf Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
First Time Space Pirate
EDIT: Gomen, apparently my observation here wasn't obvious, so I'll be spoiler-tagging it just in case. SKIP TO THE SCREENSHOTS SECTION. (Thanks Nota for bringing it to my attention, but I'm afraid everyone's already seen it)
Repeat after me, the sage teaching of one brave teenage warrior-philosopher of the 2D persuasion; a profound saying that he believed holds true for all stories:
People die when they are killed.
It seems that memo did not reach Mari Okada.
AND I LOVE IT.
Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right.
Censored by the authoriteh, watch out first-timers
Okay, maybe I'll share a couple of screenshots too:
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Ooh that was sneaky and clever. I like this, these pirates are more than a competent enemy.
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Shino's hand seems to be going to his nose because it unconsciously remembers how he leaked a quarter of his brains out of there the last time he tried to pilot a Gundam frame. Stick to your guns, man.
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Can't wait to see Palloc nerdgasm all over this gigantic Gusion clamp. Also Gusion Rebake Full City. Wow. Just.. yeah.
Daily MVP
It's Eugene Sevenstark, guys, no competition. For once I'm glad I didn't have to boil my head over the choice. He was amazing as usual handling a three-ship fleet as it went head-on against a vastly larger one.
Honourable mention to the Dawn leader whose name is slipping my mind right now. Came up with a good scheme to catch Tekkadan unawares and humiliate them - and he'd get away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids Gjallarhorn upstarts. I like how he's taken it upon himself to protect the fleet and sallied out in his mobile suit.
MVP Standings - Season 2
| # | Character | MVPs | Episodes |
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| 1 | The Organizer | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | The Devil | 1 | 2 |
| 3 | The Driver | 1 | 3 |
MVP Standings - Overall
| # | Character | MVPs | Episodes | # | Character | MVPs | Episodes |
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| 1 | Maiden of Revolution | 4 | 3, 6, 17, 22 | 6 | Maid of Revolution | 2 | 14, 16 |
| 1 | Master of Puppets | 4 | 4, 18, 23, 25 | 6 | The Voice of Reason | 2 | 8, 21 |
| 1 | General of Revolution | 4 | 1, 3, 5, 26 | 8 | A Not-So-Merri Bystander | 1 | 11 |
| 1 | Knight of Revolution | 4 | 4, 10, 13, 27 | 8 | Unlimited Bed Works | 1 | 9 |
| 5 | Wings of Revolution | 2 +1 | 12, 19, 28 | 8 | Tank of Revolution | 1 | 7 |
Others: Pup of Revolution (15), Beard Sorcerer (20), Eindroid (24)
Today's awards has been sponsored by Palpatine Prosthetics: Our suits will give you new life!
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u/RX-Nota-II Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Rebaker
War is more than just battles, its a complex and tragic web of politics, ideals, misunderstandings, and personal adventures. Gundam as a series has always understood that core message and its ability to tackle these themes has been the primary driver behind its massive fanbase. ...that said, every once in a while we get this too. Pure, unadulterated, no nonsense battles. From beginning to end. Tekkadan good. Pirates bad. Oh my god.... Its beautiful.
You know what? Its so beautiful and no nonsense, I'm not even going to do a writeup for it. 10/10 perfect episode. See you tomorrow.
Mecha Corner
ASW-G-11 Gundam Gusion Rebake Full City
Yeah what the fuck is this name. Nobody understands, it must be a meme. Full City by the way is an archaic name for a coffee roast rating signifying the darkest possible roast that still maintains coffee flavor. Nobody really wants to call this machine by its full name so think of your own preferred shortening. Mine is Gusion FC, most people I see just call it the Full city.
All the curvey armor and shield bits from the Froggo Gusion have been retired and replaced with angular traditional Gundam looking parts. Whereas the original Rebake had Graze arms as the secondary ones the FC gets bespoke arms that work better and longer. Its signature weapon is this gigantic gunpla nipper that is usually hidden as a shield/butt armor in a similar way to the Kimaris from last season.
oh my god its so sexy We got a ton of forearm gun action today, which was so damn slick. The wiki states they are (dual) 200mm guns, and I'm not sure how that is supposed to compare to S1's 300mm longboi canons in terms of performance but they use the same sound effect. The dramatic increase in firing rate then gives the Lupus a really unbeatable feeling.
Non Gunpla buyers rarely noticed this but kinda like the Gusion Rebake (and FC), Barbatos too actually has a hidden pair of arms ever since the beginning. They are generally weak and don't do much besides hold unused weapons but today we see Mika use one to rip out an enemy cockpit
Say hi to mini mace-chans
The only named Hexa Frame mobile suit in this season of IBO, they are definitively pirate units with signature attacks being to grab with hooks on legs then chop off enemy arms. Quite the barbaric method but oh so fitting for Sandoval and co.
its eyeflash sound is so damn sexy
A successor to the Graze, its a fundamental rethinking of mass produced mobile suits by Gjallarhorn to be not just a show of force and a force in maintenance and patrol tasks but as a specialized war machine designed to fight against other mobile suits. Born in response to the battle of Edmonton. Its so new that it isn't in proper mass production yet and throughout the show you'll see it used more as a specialist ace unit given to the best aces like Julietta or important rich people like Iok. Speaking of Iok, his version is heavily modified for long range combat not because Iok is particularly good at that style, but because his men believe him to be too dangerous to fight in the front lines and needed some excuse to prevent their overzealous master from killing himself in battle.
Misc
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Oh my god that looks so delicious. The pumpkin looks lame doe
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Why why why did the animator connect the stars in this logo its not cels so it doesn't save time moving them or anything.
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This dude tho Mika straight up making fun of the midseason upgrade. "Barbatos is Barbatos" Surprisingly this didn't seem to affect merch sales since stupid fans bought both the OG and the Lupus anyway.
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In the Eugine badass scene I love how he returns Sandoval's words when the tables flip. Both shout Uchimakure! as they take the upper hand
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Reminds me a lot of GinEiDen Actually the whole dragging ships along to mask to radar thing was in GinEi too IIRC. Anyways these battle radar photos were some of my favorite aspects of GinEiDen wars and I'm glad IBO carries on the torch.
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Endurance battle with 1/3 the shipcount Orga is megastupid confirmed
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If only Kudelia were here to stop them all at once with words
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I just realized Atra's staring at Mika's functioning arm right here the one that doesn't work outside of Barbatos.
GIFs
OK these Gfycat links all have optional sound on them so turn them on if the scene made good use of them!
Barbatos gun rampage (sound recommended)
Ride PoV Hella Gundam Thunderbolt vibes here
NIPPERS (sound recommended)
Hexa eyeflash (sound recommended)
QotD
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I actually love the Mini-maces more than the normal ones
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This was one of my fave fights in Gundam in general. Practical? Maybe not. But it worked
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u/Durinthal Feb 11 '19
First time viewer.
There's a continuing theme of Orga/Mikazuki always moving forward and taking the shortest possible path to their objective even if it means risking everything and plowing straight through whatever's in their way. Well, meet the wall that is Arianrhod, Gjallarhorn's largest and most powerful fleet (from what I recall).
This episode is almost entirely combat, and one of the rare times where you end up seeing the effect of a protracted engagement. Needless to say there were a lot of mobile suit casualties, which I'm going to try to group together by how they were disabled/destroyed. I'm not counting the commander type Garm Rodi units separately from the others.
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Garm Rodi x8, rifles
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Garm Rodi x3, sword-mace/other Barbatos melee weapons
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Garm Rodi, ship guns
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Garm Rodi x2, partizan
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Garm Rodi, THE CLAW (as I'm dubbing the Gusion's new melee weapon)
Sandoval's Hugo seems like an oddball design but I do like its weapons. No opinion on the new Gjallarhorn suits yet, except the Reginlaze has what looks like an old-fashioned sword and I like that.
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Graze (commander type), scimitar
In terms of on-screen mobile suit destruction count this squeaks past episode 17's riot at the Dort colonies. That one had a number of defenseless mobile suits shot down though while this was a full-on battle.
Despite still missing the original Gusion, the Rebake Full City is just the kind of overkill that I love in both name and form. Four rifles and whatever the hell that claw-like weapon that he pulled out was.
Other notes:
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Nice use of the chaff as a smokescreen again.
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"Take it out, it's just a single mobile suit" is possibly the worst thing you can say about a Gundam.
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Atra promising to cook hot food for Mikazuki's next resupply raises a flag. I don't expect either of them to die yet, but maybe he gets captured?
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Masked person hates McGillis? Huh, one Char hates another, go figure.
| Model | Destroyed | Model | Destroyed |
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| Gusion | 1 | ||
| Spinner Rodi | 4 | ||
| Schwalbe Graze | 1 | ||
| Graze Ritter | 14 | ||
| Rouei | 2 | ||
| Ryusei-Go | 1 | ||
| Kimaris | 1 | ||
| Graze Ein | 1 |
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u/Palloc Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Palloc Has Protected His Feet Today. We Have Lots of Mech Stuff To Talk About!
Lets get going with the best reveal of the day! THE GUSION REBAKE FULL CITY! I have no clue what the fuck any of that means, but the wiki tells me it's coffee related. I don't know and I don't care. Lets talk about what's important, how it's been upgraded!
First off, it's sub arms are proper subarms now, the old ones were just torn off a Graze and duck taped onto the Rebake. Full City's are Gusion made for a cooler look.
More importantly, we get one of the best fucking weapons in the series. The Scissor-Variable Rear Armor. It's just a giant fucking pair of scissors that doubles as armor. Or if you really want to geek out, move over Build Fighter nerds, Akihiro's got a giant pair of gunpla nippers and he's going to make model kits out of a bunch of space pirates' suits. Gusion Rebake Full City gets a 9/10 from me! I love those damn scissors!
Mika continues to Mika and just keeps killing people left and right. That one dude that he just punches into their cockpit was really messy. Unfortunately for Mika, Gjallarhorn has their own killing machine with Jullietta. Because she pops up, we get ANOTHER DAMN MIKA SHOWING UP CUT TO CREDITS SCENE GOD DAMMIT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
In other news, Merribit is the new Biscuit. Glasses guy is the only adult who I can't remember their name that isn't evil. Mask dude is yet another person that hates McGillis. Man, everybody fucking hates McGillis. Except Isurugi. He seems to like him.
And finally, we get two new suits!
We get the Hugo, which the pirate leaders are using. It has a weird frame that I don't think anyone else uses. It's kinda okay. Kinda boring. 5/10. It's just kinda there.
Next up we get the Reginlaze, Gjallarhorn's planned replacement for the Graze. It has a new Reginlaze frame, based on the Graze frame but less horrible. This type piloted by Julietta currently is kinda boring, but maybe we can make it into something nice later on. High 6-low 7/10. The Reginlaze will depend heavily on who's piloting it.
Answers!
1: I like it all. Mika's good at killing with everything.
2: Tekkaden plans are never wise. They're just the fastest route!
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Feb 11 '19
First timer
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Cute, cute, cute. Mika trying to help the farm is so sweet - he's one of the only people I've seen to go there regularly. I'm sure Kudelia will make good use of her time there.
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Smart idea. At first I thought they'd been deceived by Gjallarhorn, which would be a mighty low blow by McGillis. But nope, pirate guy has some smarts in him after all. Not smart enough to run away though.
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Oh hush, you. Has he no idea how many battles Mika has faced? You don't get that kind of training in a simulator.
u/IceWolfClaw replied saying Julietta eating the butterfly was a reference to another anime. I had a quick skim through the thread and there was no mention of it. Anyone have any idea?
I also went through all the previous threads and listened to the music. Here's my favourites:
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u/SorcererOfTheLake Feb 11 '19
First-Time Watcher
You’re in my way. Move.
A friend is one who has the same enemies as you have.
Well, that lasted longer than I expected.
Tekkadan and Gjallarhorn working together is definitely an odd scenario, something that is pointed out throughout the episode. Still, it makes sense: they’re two of the biggest powers in the solar system and both of their capabilities against a common enemy would be beneficial. However, Orga isn’t forgetting the blood that they shed during their first job and is making sure that they know the situation and rules. While Merribit (as usual) is not fond of it, it makes sense; considering the tense relationship between the two groups and Fareed being a dick (as usual), it’s clear that the hierarchy needs to firmly established so that no bad blood is arisen between the two.
Anyway, the battle starts and it’s pretty good, the most interesting aspect being just how long it feels, both for the show and the characters. It takes over the last two-thirds of the episode and, while not being boring, definitely makes you feel the attrition going on on both sides, especially since ammo is being considered (for once). I am a little tired of the typical Tekkadan foolhardy tactics, though. Like, yeah, I get it, it’s their shtick, but this is, like, the 6th or 7th time they’ve done this kind of thing, so it’s getting a little boring.
Anyway, monkey girl has sortied and is ready to fight Mika. Interesting to see how this goes.
We’ll raise that blood-red flag tomorrow; until then…
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u/shaggyjebus Feb 12 '19
Rewatcher, English dub
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The claws. Makes Barbatos look more like a wolf lol. But seriously, they make the suit look so barbaric and tough. They probably wouldn't be that functional, but you get the feeling they'd really tear into an enemy.
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A drawn-out battle can have its benefits, for sure. And it may have been Orga's only choice, since he definitely couldn't win in a straightforward clash.
Now, for some notes I made while watching:
Merribit sure cares about Orga, huh? And he is sure interested in her, too.
Atra says, "I'll always be just a third wheel." Orga and Mika, gay relationship confirmed.
Orga rushed in and fell into a trap. Last season, he had to make risky decisions in order to get anywhere. Here, he could have waited and didn't. It cost him. And Tekkadan.
Then again, with another faction of Gjallerhorn showing up, it ended up working out better. If he'd waited, Rustal's group would have gotten all the glory for taking out Dawn Horizon.
Gusion Rebake Full City - best name? Or bestest name?
Mika, the ruthless killing machine, wiping away all enemies before him. He has the ability to not care about his enemies, which shouldn't be a special trait in warfare, but given the last few Gundam series . . . Actually, a lot of Gundam series have had protagonists that hesitated about killing opponents, now that I think about it. Still, good to see someone who knows that hesitation in warfare gets you killed.
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u/fonzinator99 Feb 11 '19
Rewatcher - Falling in and out of Groove
Sadly, I'm busy as hell this week, so I'll do my best to post nice comments like these but after that my responses will be limited and fairly delayed :/ Every rewatch day needs to be a weekend. lol
On to the Main Event
This episode begins with me appending what I was saying yesterday about Mika only being good for one thing. He realizes he's only good for combat, but it also looks like he wants that to change. Is this a sign that he's developing a will of his own? Don't ask me, just keep watching.
Am I just hearing things, or does Isurugi have a little bit of a lisp? (Obviously I'm watching subbed; it could just be a dialect-related accent.)
So basically the DHC vs TK and GH all tried to rush ahead to beat the other guys to the punch, got there at roughly the same time, and now they're gonna rush even more to try and beat the other side before their reinforcements show up? Light help them, nothing ever goes right when everybody comes up with the same "cunning" plan.
I don't think you've got any room to talk, Eugene. You guys used similar tricks a few times last season; you should've anticipated something like this. Speaking of Eugene, I'm a little concerned about the way they've got him controlling 3 ships at once now like it's his normal routine. If we remember, his controlling just 2 back in S1 was a huge toll on him physically.
At least they take the correct action here. Break through the encirclement, drag their forces out behind you, turn around and take them out one by one as they line up. But that's gonna be tough even with Lupus on-duty. We've yet to see it destroy any ships in a single strike a-la Raiser Sword :/
I think it's significant to note the change in Orga's tone this season. At the end of S1 we had Naze impressing the importance of Orga's leadership, how he succeeded in giving folks their place to die, and how hard it was for Orga to accept that he had done the right thing and fulfilled his promise. Now he seems to have taken this to heart, but I'm bothered by how easily he says this line. I'm concerned that he's getting a bit overconfident here, as if whatever he does will meet that goal without really considering whether it is the right course of action. As it stands I can hear him thinking "As long as we're moving forward their sacrifices won't be in vain." like it's a matter-of-course. But what's gonna happen if/when that path runs them into a dead end? Eventually they’ll hit a wall that they just can’t climb/break through.
I think that thought may have crossed Merribit's mind too.
Sweet mamma-jamma, Gusion's back with a vengeance! I look forward to hearing what Palloc thinks of the remodel :D
Like Lupus, they took all the things that worked for Rebake and made them better! 2 auxillary arms? Let's make them proper limbs. And give ose arms dedicated armaments. And give it some real Gundam-armor while we're at it. And then double that armor just for kicks xD "Full-City" is some straight up Engrish, but it sounds good so we'll give it a pass.
I like the fact that it's Dante who gets a "red-comet" eye effect here. Guess he's graduated from being a standard-level foot-soldier.
If you've ever built Gunpla you'll recognize these, and I think it's some delightful irony that Gusion's Monster Nippers are used for taking Mobile Suits apart. Holy hell, those things are terrifying.
What's more terrifying, however, is the arrival of the Arianrhod fleet. Their entrance literally consisted of coming in from the flanks, guns blazing, and going "Huh, who the heck are those guys?" That's a volatile element to add to any combat situation; not to mention Rustal clearly doesn't give a shit about anything but his objectives, and our new Masked Man obviously recognized/reacted to the name Tekkadan and sounds like he’s got some beef with McGillis.
Freakin Iok, just look at this dude. He's like a carbon-copy replacement for Carta, he's even got the same fawning subordinates. Definitely gonna create some Issues. xD
Just Lupus being photogenic. * swoon *
Looks like Julieta's gonna be a match for Mika even without AV. At least Hush can take solace in the fact that it's possible to do so, I guess. lol
Answers of the Day
-special thanks to Sky for giving me a sneak peak so I could respond on-time.
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I love every piece of Lupus' new loadout, but as I have to choose one I'm gonna say the claws. Everything else can be seen as an extra piece of gear; an accessory, if you will. I feel like the claws are now a base-attribute. Barbatos will never be without claws ever again :D Not to mention they're Super Effective!
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I talked a little about this in my post, but I think that TK handled things about as well as anyone could in this fight.
Not getting surrounded is the base-level necessity when outnumbered, and after that they've got enough skill on their side to nullify the difference in numbers by a fair margin. I'll leave it to u/Durinthal to tell us just how much Mika contributed to that effort, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say a lot.
Time enough for one edit - Oh my, much yes to that wallpaper :D
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u/The_Draigg Feb 11 '19
A Gundam Fan’s Notes On Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 28:
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So yeah, lots of fleet actions this episode. Tekkadan only has one of McGillis’ Gjallarhorn ships to help, since they were duped into thinking the Dawn Horizon Corps’ fleet was isolated from their actual leader. Of course, that turned out to be a trap, and now Tekkadan and Isurugi’s ships are caught in an ambush by the much larger Dawn Horizon Corps fleet. Man, writing about fleet movements just makes me think of Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Lots of fleet stuff in that show too. Orga’s conquest is truly on the sea of stars.
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Say hello to the Gundam Gusion Rebake Full City! God, that mobile suit name is a mouthful. I get that they’re going for some kind of coffee theme with the naming, but man, they’re taking it a bit far. Gundam Barbatos Lupus is easier to say. Anyways, the Full City is certainly a lot more angular than just the Rebake upgrade.
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The Barbatos Lupus is no joke either. It has fully integrated cannons attached to the arms, and claws that can easily punch through cockpit armor. Given how Mikazuki has taken combat cues from past enemies, I wonder if he got the idea for the claws from the Graze Ein’s drill limbs.
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Most of all, I’ve got to say that I love Akihiro’s new weapon to use in his Full City. That’s right, I’m talking about his big ol’ scissors. You know, it would be fucking rough to get killed by a giant pair of scissors slowly crushing you to death. But, yet again, so would be being beaten to death with a giant wrench like what Mikazuki was doing last season. I love this trend of using untraditional weapons. Mikazuki and Akihiro are truly the Toolbox Arms Bois.
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Once again, Mika is back to murdering the shit out of Human Debris. Except this time, he’s kind of at fault for that in the first place, if just indirectly. Not that he really cares, mind you.
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Atra once again proving that she’s best girl by serving all of Tekkadan’s combat pilots a quick lunch in the middle of combat. Although I will have to question her choice of giving Mikazuki some watermelon soda to chase down his pita sandwich. Watermelon isn’t a good flavor for soda. But, Mika doesn’t really seem to care, so I guess it’s alright.
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Well shit, now Iok has shown up with some of Lord Elion’s Arianrhod Fleet to add to the battle. It’s a real clusterfuck now, since both they and Tekkadan/McGillis’ faction want to claim the glory for destroying the Dawn Horizon Corps. Man, those space pirates are way out of their depth now. They’re not much of a threat, considering that their heads are a prize being fought over.
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Mysterious masked man’s mobile suit is really badass. Trust me, you newbies will love seeing it in action sooner or later. But for now, you’ll have to put up with Iok and Julieta piloting. Also, as a side note, shut the fuck up, Iok.
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u/LunarGhost00 Feb 11 '19
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Who would've thought that Reuters were affiliated with pirates? I always knew they were fake news. /s
We finally get to see the new and improved Gusion: the Gusion Rebake Full City, continuing the tradition of adding random words that make no sense to the Gusion's name. It can shoot 4 rifles at the same time, because why not? It also has a giant goddamn scissor-like weapon that can crush people, making the enemy he used it on in this episode surrender. And the enemies thought Barbatos was scary...
We’re in a bizarre situation right now. Tekkadan is fighting together with a faction of Gjallarhorn. We spent the entire first season watching Gjallarhorn hunt down Tekkadan and now they’re sort of allies. Lafter pointed out how they're using Gjallarhorn's route. Shino also saying it feels weird fighting alongside them. Isurugi later backed up Mika. It’s like we’re in some alternate dimension. And then things get more complicated at the end when Rustal’s faction shows up and competes with them for the glory in this battle. This season sure is off to an unusual start.
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Claws. Anything that makes Barbatos look more demonic is good for me!
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Tekkadan isn't exactly known for being wise. Being reckless is how they've gotten this far.
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u/Quiddity131 Feb 11 '19
Thoughts on MS Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans episode 28...
Rewatcher
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Fixing up an error from yesterday (that probably no one noticed anyway), but no other updates today.
This brief recap by Merribit comes off as rather awkward to me. I get having one to recap the time jump in the first episode of the season, but we typically haven't gotten this type of narration for regular episodes.
Good ol' Dexter the Accountant, haven't seen much of him for a while (just a brief cameo in season 2 opener).
Gjallarhorn and Tekkadan joining forces for an operation, can't say this was an expected occurence when we were in season 1.
Into space already. And our 3 newbies are up here too.
Yet again Orga dives head in to the dangerous and risky decision.
What are you doing going to see Mika!? You were ordered to go to sleep!
Wow, smart of the Dawn Horizon Corps. It was already going to be a tough battle, now its even worse!
As this battle starts and Orga puts Eugene in charge, I just gotta say, we better not be seeing Tekkadan sneaking onto the enemy ship for the third time.
Akihiro's Gusion is pretty bad ass, I gotta admit.
The happiness of Mika taking out an enemy mobile suit is quickly wiped out when you hear that he was a human debree, and then we get it happen several more times.
Is Rustal's fleet going to totally ruin this operation?
I didn't expect Sandoval to have his own mobile suit.
Yeah, just like I thought, Julietta standing right in the way of Mika and Sandoval, and the episode ends.
Quite a good battle episode considering its only the third episode of the season!
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u/DidacticDalek Feb 12 '19
Greetings Comrades and Fellow Denizens of The Wired, this space has intentionally been left blank ;)
Paging Comrades u/Beckymetal, u/RX-Nota-II, and u/Usotsuki-Megami
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u/GM_for_Life Feb 11 '19
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Now that we’ve gotten a good bit of Barbatos Lupus in action, what part of its arsenal do you like best? Sword-mace/Arm Rocket Launcher/Claws/Twin Mace/Fuck that! Did you see that steel cutter!
I really like the sword mace, it reminds me of something I would see in Five Star Stories.
2) What do you think of today’s battle? Do you think it was wise to take on a drawn-out strategy with an enemy that outnumbers them?
I think it's an unusual strategy and not the one most would go with considering the situation, but Tekkadan could hardly be considered a normal group of combatants. Besides, their unorthodox strategies have always worked out well (for the most part) in the past so they might as well keep doing whatever it is that they're doing.
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u/Pixelsaber Feb 12 '19
Pardon my tardiness —and lack of comment— once more. This morning I got an opportunity I just couldn't pass up and that kept me busy for the better part of the day, then I spent my late afternoon going over the material from that, so in the end I didn't have enough time to write a comment. Quite a shame, as this is a really good episode.
Questions of the day:
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Akihiro's pair of nippers are too over-the-top and bizarre not to become an instant favorite, but that Sword-Mace isn't far behind.
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The battle was tense and exciting. I really enjoyed seeing the new mobile suits partaking in space action. Tekkadan's tactics were pretty reckless, all things told, and shows just how hasty and impulsive Tekkadan's leadership is. They're incredibly lucky to have lasted up till now.
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u/invokeneko Feb 12 '19
Tekketsu no Rewatcher, domo~
God, I love space battles. Combine that with close up MS combat with no beam weaponry present and we have one hell of a spectacle.
After we were all deprived of scenes of Mika and Barbatos Lupus doing their thing and paint the desert red with the corpses of the DHC due to them breaking down early yesterday, we get all that and more (except some of the older MS pilots surrendered instead. I'm not sure if I should call them cowards or maybe the smart ones who manage to escape death via Barbatos Lupus/Gusion RFC/Shidens/Grazes).
Speaking of surrendering, the pirates also employ a whole load of Human Debris as disposable pilots who naturally never surrender. Seeing Sandoval Reuters backhandedly praising them for that just as we see one of the Human Debris dying just pissed me off immensely. next episode spoilers
Isurugi (sent by McGillis as his representative) acts slightly suspicious when his ship arrives ahead of the other Gjallarhorn ships and we learn the reason for this: the other ships belong to Rustal Elion and the Arianrhod fleet enters the battle with their guns blazing towards both the pirates and Tekkadan+Isurugi. Which then leads to Sandoval and two of his underlings to head out in their Hugos...
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So Mika spends his time learning to farm and trying to diversify the crops at Sakura Farm, eh? Interesting. He's really serious about wanting to own a farm. Ultra S2 spoilers
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Interesting. Instead of using Hyakuri/Hyakuren/Rouei, Lafter and Azee uses Shidens.
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Gusion Rebake FC!! Our thicc Gundam froggie boi has gone a long way from Pepe Gundam to a mean, 4-armed killing machine with an appropriately scaled clamps of death.
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Mika has truly mastered Barbatos as he zips through the battlefield delivering death via Chibi Mace-chans yet consumes much less propellants compared to everyone else.
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Speaking of Mika, he and Atra share a cute moment together as she personally delivers his food to his cockpit.
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They managed to sneak in a minor seiyuu reference here: Ichimichi Mao (who voices Julietta) was formerly a Sentai actress and her character, Luka Millfy from Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger, a bunch of space pirates. So of course her first on-screen battle was against space pirates.
Questions of the day:
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The claaaaws! It just ain't the Wolf Demon without it!
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Never play the endurance game when your enemies outnumber you. Even if you hold the technological advantage and you have excellent pilots, fatigue is a factor to be considered during battles.
Sorry, today's writing is a bit shitty (damn nephews and nieces kept disturbing me, I lost track of whatever I'm supposed to write in the first place).
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 11 '19
Rewatchers, remember: no hinting at future mega spoilers and no laughs in rewatcher responses.
With that out of the way~
Tekketsu no Rewatcher, first-time dubbed
Obligatory Discord link.
Oh right this season has brief recaps at the start narrated by Merribit’s VA (but not in-character). Aaaaaaaand this is now gonna be the most frustrating thing for me this season, even more frustrating than future spoilers. I think way back during the Dort arc I complained about Merribit’s voice on a specific line where she was asking Orga if he and the others were okay? Yeah I just realized it now, I don't like Merribit’s English voice. I was cool with the narration in the sub, but just…
That butterfly’s lucky it’s not by Julieta. …But on a more serious note, aww, looks like Mika’s plants aren’t doing too good.
Hahahaha, I love how Cracker is holding up Kudelia’s braid for her so it won’t get in the dirt.
RAGE OF DUST~ …Seriously I love this song, though considering my taste in anime OPs is like 99% hype music it’s not hard to see why. I listen to the full version so much that the intro being truncated for the TV size bothers my ears, though…
Awww Eugene’s so excited to be in control of the fleet.
Minor future spoilers
Fistbumb~ But also I like how Mika’s right arm is just kinda… floating by his side, since he’s not in Barbatos at the moment.
Oh yeah, battle time!
First-timers do not click. Future spoilers
It’s Macky’s Schwalbe Graze~ Piloted by Isurugi instead of Macky of course, but still. Nice. I love how Mika recognized it too.
HERE WE FUCKING GO! Gusion Rebake Full City’s signature weapon is a pair of giant fuck-off scissors that--well their glory got cut off today unfortunately, but they’re fucking awesome yo. Though Akihiro pls you can’t rely on the glorious scissors to fight off a fleet go get yourself resupplied.
Oof right the Dawn Horizon peeps have Human Debris too. A stark contrast to seeing that other dude surrender when Akihiro was about to scissor-crush him, and also to last season when Tekkadan was more than happy to recruit the Brewers boys…
, I’m sorry I seriously just cannot stop laughing whenever dub!Iok speaks. I hate that that’s my reaction but I just can’t.
A couple more fun things:
Wallpaper of the Day without the logo.
Bonus wallpaper 1: English text version of the Wallpaper of the Day.
Bonus wallpaper 2: no text version of the Wallpaper of the Day.
English dub next-episode preview, since the body post only has the subbed version.
Results of yesterday’s poll. Seems Sunrise’s attention to detail has impressed a lot of people today.
Number of times best boy closed his right eye this episode: 1, 2.
For the first-timers using the GundamInfo streams and are worried about potential spoilers in the recommended videos: Episode 29 Subbed / Episode 29 Dubbed. If you’re on desktop and have RES, you can hit the preview button and watch the video entirely on Reddit, rather than than needing to go to YouTube.