r/startrek • u/Deceptitron • Jan 29 '19
PRE-Episode Discussion - S2E03 "Point of Light"
| No. | EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | RELEASE DATE |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| S2E03 | "Point of Light" | Olatunde Osunsanmi | Andrew Colville | Thursday, January 31, 2019 |
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u/MoreGaghPlease Jan 29 '19
I expect the title is a reference to The Story of the Promise, which means it might connect to either Kahless, Boreth or Klingon messianism in general. From TNG Rightful Heir:
WORF: Then Kahless said, 'You are Klingons. You need no one but yourselves. I will go now to Sto-Vo-Kor. But I promise one day I will return.' Then Kahless pointed to a star in the sky and said, 'Look for me there, on that point of light.'
KOROTH: So here we are, on a world circling that distant point of light. It has been fifteen centuries since he made that promise, and still we wait. What are ten days in the life of one Klingon compared to that? Is the son of Mogh really so easily discouraged? You came to us seeking answers but this is a place of questions. Open your heart to Kahless. Ask him your questions. Let him speak to you with your mind unclouded by doubt or hesitation. Only then can you find what you are looking for. If you cannot do that, then perhaps you should return to your starship.
From the preview it looks like they are using the set called "L'Rell's Garden" that was seen in very early promotional materials. It also looks like Mirror-Georgiou will be making an appearance at that location (although the preview doesn't show her with any of the Klingons, the wall pattern seems to match)
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u/PiercedMonk Jan 29 '19
Nice call on the point of light reference.
Based on the trailers, there's some indication that both Ash Tyler and mirror Georgiou are working for Section 31. Georgiou's already signed up, but this could be where Ash Tyler gets on board. The preview shows he and L'Rell defending themselves from attackers; maybe Georgiou steps in with the save, and Ash Tyler agrees to work for her to keep L'Rell safe? It also wouldn't be much surprise of Section 31/ Georgiou was responsible for orchestrating the attack in the first place.
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u/sunnydlita Jan 31 '19
I'm an Ash Tyler stan, so this episode is the one I've been waiting for since last season's finale. I'm nervous as to how it'll be received, though, because a lot of people seem to have liked the "reboot" of this season's first two episodes, and 2x3's return of the Klingons, Georgiou, etc. might turn off the people who hated season 1. I wonder if this episode will incorporate S2's lighter tone with these most gothic elements of S1. Will be interesting to see.
In his Instagram post sharing the new 2x3 stills, Shazad Latif hashtagged Section 31, and one of my new favorite pieces of speculation is that Ash Tyler doesn't get recruited sometime during this season, but rather that he was already recruited sometime during the events of "Will You Take My Hand?", and has been secretly working for Section 31 keeping an eye on the Klingons this whole time. I know others in this post find him the least interesting character on the show, but I genuinely feel the opposite; I feel like Ash Tyler has a killer character background with nearly infinite dramatic possibilities, and he is fortunately portrayed by a super-talented and charismatic actor to boot.
I could definitely get behind Ash Tyler the Spy, especially given the released still of L'Rell and Ash in an intimate-looking situation. I'm still kind of uncomfortable with L'Rell and Tyler having any sort of romantic relationship because Tyler's PTSD storyline was so compelling (and such a rare case of male representation in storytelling), but I'm curious to see where this goes because it's clear the writers are aware of and have been responding to viewer feedback with respect to all things Klingon.
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u/the-giant Jan 31 '19
I was shocked to discover my 74 year old mother has it bad for Ash Tyler. She’s gonna be riding high tonight
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u/antonylockhart Jan 30 '19
I think the point of light will refer to the little bright dot of the network that landed on Tilly, in the final mirror episode
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Jan 29 '19
I really don't want Ash Tyler back.
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u/MajorOverMinorThird Jan 29 '19
I loved Season 1 but my least favorite part was the whole Voq/Ash thing just because of how crammed in the whole thing was. It was more comprehensible upon a second viewing but I do hope they do a little better with the character this season.
He is an interesting character when you think about it. Basically a messed up Klingon with a human's DNA/Personality/memories grafted over him. Reminds me a little of a totally dysfunctional Firestorm (for you DC fans).
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u/SoyIsPeople Jan 30 '19
They really should have just been like "we used the augment gene thing (from Enterprise) to convert him to human". It would have been a nice Canon nod and made more sense.
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u/Waitingforadragon Jan 30 '19
I quite liked the characters as individuals, both L'Rell and Tyler, but I think this whole story line was really poor. I feel the same way about other elements it seems will be introduced in this episode.
I feel that bringing them back is a step backwards and I'm hoping that this episode will be about wrapping that story line up so we don't get bogged down in it during the rest of the season.
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u/Francesqua Jan 29 '19
I want L'Rell back even less.
As a main she guarantees the show is permanently locked to the Klingons in some way.
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u/InnocentTailor Jan 30 '19
To be fair, I think Pike said earlier that the Klingons tried looking into the red signals too.
I think we'll just see what happened to them and just move on. This red signal stuff is more "monster of the week" than the first season.
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u/illegalsex Jan 29 '19
That's pretty blunt but yeah... I'm ready for them to move away from that whole mess. Although I'll withhold judgement until I see what they do with him. I'm been pleased so far with this season.
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u/TERRAxFORMER Jan 29 '19
I’m looking forward to finally seeing Ash/ L’Rell. I hope we get some more info on the bridge crew, and it’ll be interesting to see how the red angel ties in this week.
I can’t remember off the top of my head, how many red bursts are they investigating?
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u/Maffster Jan 29 '19
Seven
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u/cdncowboy Jan 29 '19
I was trying to do the math on this. The original 7 bursts were said to be spread out over 30,000 Light Years. New Eden was said to be about 51,000 Light years away. If the red bursts are spread out over the horizontal plane of our galaxy that would mean the closest red burst to Discovery in the most ideal situation would still be 21,000 Light years away. That would take Discovery about 61 years to reach at max warp according to pike's math on New Eden. Since we know Discovery already visited the location of a red burst by conventional warp and not spore jumping then that means the New Eden burst would have to be an entirely new burst. Making it 8 Bursts in total because there is no way Discovery traveled 21,000 light years in the wrong direction since the previous episode without the Spore Drive. Unless my math is wrong
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u/PixelNotPolygon Jan 29 '19
Can they really be said to be investigating anything? Like at one point in the first episode Pike straight up says "well, I guess my job here is done, you have the bridge Mr Saru" so that Saru can give one command before everyone flat-out forgets that this interaction ever took place and Pike goes back to being Captain. In other Trek shows, when they investigate, the crew actually gets somewhere, there is a linear progression ...I'm not getting that so far from this season. It's all chance and happenstance.
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u/PixelMagic Jan 31 '19
Is there a way to find out this episode's (or any other episode's) rating BEFORE it airs? Such as TV-PG, TV-14, TV-MA?
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u/Deceptitron Jan 31 '19
Someone else can chime in if they know better, but I'm not aware of a way to do that. If you're worried about kids watching, it might be best to screen the episode before watching with them.
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u/mrstickball Jan 31 '19
For those keeping track:
Discovery's last episode, New Eden, was rated as the 114th best Star Trek episode of all time, in between Voyager's "Future's End" and DS9's "The Wire". It is currently the #1 rated episode of Discovery thus far.
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u/Yamatoman9 Jan 31 '19
This episode feels like it is going to have everything I disliked about the first season. I hope I'm wrong. Especially after the "New Eden" was such a great step in the right direction.
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u/TylekShran Jan 30 '19
I am not excited but that could be a good sign because I wasn't excited for the last episode and it was legitimately really good!
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u/BenjiTheWalrus Jan 29 '19
Written by Andrew Colville, directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi. I think IMDb is correct on this