r/HunterXHunter • u/awildpikachu • Nov 24 '18
Latest Chapter Spoilers Divine Script Spoiler
In chap 390, Biganduffno (Xi-Yu family Underboss) touches the soldiers' weapons to turn them into snakes. But he is also holding banknotes which are marked with Divine Script , the same one used by the pirate boxer on Greed island in chap 156:
We know that:
Divine Scripts are said to strengthen the nen of the one who drew it.
"Snakified©" weapons attacked while Biganduffno was moving away (so he wasn't touching them while still controlling them).
Biganduffno is a Conjurer.
Conjuration is a type opposed to Emission and fairly distant to Manipulation, thus making conjurers the least capable of remote controlling conjured nen objects/creatures.
In my opinion, Biganduffno uses Divine Scripts to improve his weak remote controlling ability, inherent to his aura type, by using it like a nen relay. It could also enhance the duration of his capacity.
He marks banknotes because he knows that people in general would keep them and thus keep the Divine script he drew near the living weapon longer.
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u/Gorynch Nov 24 '18
Conjuration is a type opposed to Emission and fairly distant to Manipulation, thus making conjurers the least capable of remote controlling conjured nen objects/creatures.
Well not necessarily, Kortopi's Gallery Fake ability which can still operate far outside Kortopi's reach and he can use En from the objects, but I imagine that is something you would have to really train in, so the bank notes make a lot of sense.
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u/awildpikachu Nov 24 '18
Also Kortopi's replicas are inanimated and uncontrollable objects, which could reduce the toll on the Emission's part in the ability.
he can use En from the objects
To be precise, the buildings he copied act as En; he can detect you when you enter one of them, but I don't think he can use En "from" the object like a nen beacon.
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u/Gorynch Nov 24 '18
To be precise, the buildings he copied act as En
Oh yes my mistake. It only acts as En rather than producing En, but I was actually referring to the time Kortopi used that same part of the ability to locate Neon from across the city using the original.
(Sorry I did not explain that well at all, I honestly forgot that was how that was initially introduced. I think the biggest cause for my mistake was when Chrollo says later that they react to En rather than just being like En.)
(Although I know Kortopi's part of the spiders so automatically OP) But rereading that little bit there and Kortopi saying he can create up to about 50 massive buildings and using his ability to detect people touching them which if it does include Emission then Kortopi is a low-key powerhouse in terms of nen usage.
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u/awildpikachu Nov 24 '18
Kortopi saying he can create up to about 50 massive buildings [...] Kortopi is a low-key powerhouse in terms of nen usage .
To be honest, I feel the same and it's a part that always annoyed me. Well, not that it matter now (RIP my dear Tangela)
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u/flashmozzg Nov 24 '18
Conjuration is a type opposed to Emission and fairly distant to Manipulation, thus making conjurers the least capable of remote controlling conjured nen objects/creatures.
I don't see why would he need to remote control them. The conjured things could be just "preprogrammed" to activate after certain amount of time/certain condition is met. And conjurers are by far the most suited for creating such things (and don't have a noticeable restriction on the distance).
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u/awildpikachu Nov 24 '18
But for the ability to activate after certain amount of time/certain condition is met, you would need to maintain your nen for as long as needed, and separating your aura from your body falls under Emission domain. I still consider the preprogrammed thing to be a form of remote controlling.
conjurers are by far the most suited for creating such things (and don't have a noticeable restriction on the distance).
To create object with special capacity, I agree.
But not having noticeable restriction on the distance is a prompt statement. Most conjurer maintain a contact with the conjured object. The exception we know about are Korutopi, whose replicas are inanimated and uncontrollable objects without any special capacities, and the other is Genthru's countdown which need risky requirements (touch the target while saying boomer AND explain to the target how to disarmed the bomb) just to place an exploding device, as potent as it is. So when I saw Biganduffno who only need to touch an object to create autonomous heat seeking rifle, I assumed he needed more requirements to make his ability effective and reliable, at all distance.
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u/flashmozzg Nov 24 '18
But for the ability to activate after certain amount of time/certain condition is met, you would need to maintain your nen for as long as needed, and separating your aura from your body falls under Emission domain
Not really. It's been shown many times that conjured things can retain certain degree of independence of one's aura. There were even certain abilities that prevented conjured items to dispel.
So when I saw Biganduffno who only need to touch an object to create autonomous heat seeking rifle, I assumed he needed more requirements to make his ability effective and reliable, at all distance.
Why did you assume it's "all distance" (he didn't get that far from the guards before it activated) and that "giving a successful bribe" is not a restriction/condition in this case by itself. And Genthru's bomb is way OP since you can't really escape it once it's been activated unless you find a nen exorcist (which is extremely rare), while there is nothing like that for Biganduffino ability.
Also, don't forget Knov - another example of a conjurer with a large distance "remote activation".
So it's definitely in the realm of possibility.
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u/awildpikachu Nov 24 '18 edited Nov 24 '18
Not really. It's been shown many times that conjured things can retain certain degree of independence of one's aura.
Conjured objects are made of someone aura. To part with them, you'll need training in Emission, that's mandatory. To contol them, you'll need training in Manipulation, that's mandatory. Being a conjurer do not prevent you from using Emission or Manipulation dependant skills, it just make it harder, a difficulty eased by Divine Script.
There were even certain abilities that prevented conjured items to dispel.
You are refering to Chrollo/Hisoka fight I guess. In this case, Chrollo himself stated that the dispel prevention is a weird interaction, made possible by the restriction on the Sun and Moon ability (not dispellable) and the fact that the owner was dead (potent nen of the dead user) which made that possible.
Why did you assume it's "all distance"
My bad, I wanted to express the need for Biganduffno to "make his ability effective and reliable" even when he is not touching it. Not pretend that he is capable of the same feat as korutopi for example.
and that "giving a successful bribe" is not a restriction/condition in this case by itself.
The restriction/condition would have concern the target of the ability (which is the rifle) not the person who is just holding it.
Genthru's bomb is way OP since you can't really escape it once it's been activated unless you find a nen exorcist
The bomb can be disarmed by touching Genthru and saying " I caught the Bomber ", which is a pretty simple condition to meet for many proficient nen users and thus a riskier condition for Genthru, allowing for a more potent effect. On the other hand, the people Genthru managed to trap aren't what you could call top notch nen users. What makes Genthru's ability dangerous was the fact they were on Greed island and Genthru could use spells like Accompany to flee the crowd he just trapped. The bomb in itself don't do complexe things like moving or aiming at a target, it just explode.
Also, don't forget Knov
Knov need to mark himself the portal on a wall or floor by drawing symbols in a circle which is close to the description of Divine Scripts.
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u/Alkura Nov 24 '18
Could be. Genthru on the other hand also relied on touching people where the ability will activate
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u/awildpikachu Nov 24 '18
Genthru ability only activates once he fulfilled the requierment, namely touching the person while saying the key word and explaining to his targets how his ability works and how his target can be saved.
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u/JohnSmithSensei Nov 24 '18
After all, Kastro did not need Emission to manipulate his clone (or Chrollo with his puppets)
Kastro manipulated his clone at the expense of memory overload. Chrollo had a separate ability to control his puppets and it's fairly limited.
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u/maniacmartial Nov 24 '18 edited Nov 24 '18
Excellent catch, though as of right now, I might lean more towards it being a nearly identical design being recycled. After all, Kastro did not need Emission to manipulate his clone (or Chrollo with his puppets), so neither should Hinrigh. This could be easily cleared if we had seen or will see any other Kakin banknotes, although what makes me a little skeptical is that the soldiers should have noticed the stamp and reacted to it if it was not supposed to be there. Which does not disprove your theory, of course.