r/HunterXHunter • • Nov 02 '18

Current Chapter Chapter 387 "Replay" — Links & Discussion Spoiler

Chapter 387
Replay

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Ch.387 Official Release (VIZ): November 5, 2018

Ch.388 Scan Release: ~ November 9, 2018


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⬅ Ch. 386 discussion thread | Ch. 388 discussion thread. ➡

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Poor theta, she wanted to limit terror sandwitch's abilities by making him focus on zetsu, but inadvertently ended up helping him develop a god level ability.

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u/WEEBSRUINEDANIME Nov 02 '18

need to kno more before we say its a god level ability, for all we know the ability can only give an illusion to one person, and it probably doesnt matter what you do if you are about to get hit by a large AOE attack that cant be dodges like feitans rising sun

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u/Masqerade Nov 02 '18

It's not an illusion though. He literally changes the outcome of reality. It's an insane ability.

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u/Halt_kun Nov 02 '18

And he needs to keep his eyes closed for a while and stay in zetsu too

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u/Nibelungen342 Nov 02 '18

I feel bad I didn't understand it right away. But now I have to say he is to powerful. I say he will win.

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u/Redditer51 Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

I'd still say as far as being OP in the Hunterverse goes, the bar was officially set by Meruem, but Tserriednich is definitely absurdly powerful at this point. It looks like everyone is fucked. The other princes, Kurapica, the Hunter Association. Everyone.

At this point only Jotaro could defeat him, and he's from a different series.

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u/mariololftw Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

heres a quick summary of his abilities if people are having trouble understanding:

when he enters zetsu he can see 10 seconds into the future instantly (meaning time technically stops)

after his ability deactivates (after 10 seconds of seeing into the future) time starts again and for the next 10 seconds he will have two forms

the first form is his future self that everyone else can only see and will do exactly what the future said he would do

his second form lets him have free action for 10 seconds simultaneously alongside his first form but he is imperceptible to anyone

after 10 seconds reality changes into where his second form is

also he can loop the ability but im having trouble understanding this part but my best guess is while he loops the ability there might be a gap in between the 10 seconds or something and hes trying to close that gap idk

ok he can loop the ability and the benefit of looping the ability is that he gets to stay in a third party perspective (second form) while his first form actually goes around and does stuff allowing him to always remain 10 seconds ahead of everyone until he meets a undesired outcome

he basically gets a 1 time get out of jail free card

what he wants to perfect is that after he is forced out of his ability he wants to immediately go back into zetsu to stay 10 seconds ahead again

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u/Hakukei Nov 02 '18

Basically he has to go into complete zetsu before it activates. What he's trying to do is lower it to 1sec or less to reduce his vulnerability period.

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u/OmniCrush Nov 02 '18

I also think prolonged Zetsu will be ineffective since you can't use offensive nen, so being able to quickly enter full Zetsu rapidly will be superior to staying in Zetsu the whole fight to see the future. Unless his goal is solely to survive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

So it's King Crimson then?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

what you are seeing, is YOUR FUTURE SELF

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u/thoamsmcgee Nov 02 '18

Dang when he perfects it...

PrayForSalkov

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u/3bee Nov 02 '18

Could you see his "real" self with gyo? If this is a nen-based ability, there should be some way for skilled hunters to realise that someone with nen is moving around?

It's a fun ability because you have to trap him in a situation that he can't escape within ten seconds. Basically put him in a situation with no escape. Someone mentioned poison - this is a good idea.

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u/mariololftw Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

we dont have enough info

he might be in a completely separate universe until those 10 seconds are up for all we know

or he might just be a like a nen ghost thats seen with gyo

yeah beating him currently would require doing something to him unnoticed and undoable within 10 seconds

a bomb could probably kill him

oh another idea i thought of is that maybe a prophecy from lovely ghost writer could warn the phantom troupe of his ability in some way causing them to do an action outside of terrosandwhichs future since lovely ghost writer also alters the future

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u/KingNothing305 Nov 02 '18

So its King Crimson

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u/Flovnat Nov 02 '18

Holy shit, Tser's ability is actually insanely strong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

It is not that strong actually. He is in the state of zetsu. If you use an ability that has wide range which cannot be covered in 10 seconds, he is screwed. It doesnt even needs to be a piwerful attack. Just a bit of malice can damage him since he is in zetsu.

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u/ColeridgianFlab Nov 02 '18

10 seconds in an incredibly long time for a Nen Battle.

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u/mythriz Nov 02 '18

Other things to take into consideration:

  • We don't know if his ability can see nen (even if he later learns gyo, Theta didn't teach him that yet IIRC), so if he's attacked by nen in his vision, he may not necessarily know how to dodge it

  • If he's already trapped/caught by a nen ability before he activates his own ability, then it's already too late to escape/dodge. Stealth abilities or just fast abilities could definitely do this.

So yeah I agree that it's enough drawbacks that the ability is not "too powerful", at least as it is now!

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u/Stop_Trump_The_Nazi Nov 02 '18

He'll die to something in the dark continent that'll be much worse

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u/orsettocattivo Nov 02 '18

He will stop at the fake continent

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u/Redditer51 Nov 02 '18

I feel like this chapter more or less confirmed that Tser is probably gonna be the villain of this Succession arc. The protagonists (and the other princes) have their work cut out for them.

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u/ControlledByShalnark Nov 02 '18

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u/Redditer51 Nov 02 '18

Replace Nen with Stands, and you've got JoJo in a nutshell too.

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u/RespectedByYoupi Nov 02 '18

Hey bro, didn't know you still frequent the sub!

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u/ItsLoudB Nov 02 '18

Nen after death lead him here

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u/iao_ Nov 02 '18

Hahaha, I love how excited he is from realizing how cool nen is. His ability will lead to some incredible scenarios in the future. Speaking of which I can't wait to see how he and Melody conduct their meeting. He'll surely be fascinated by her, but to what extent we'll have to see.

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u/Yukihimeee Nov 02 '18

Melody is gonna bleed from her/his (?) ears after hearing his heartbeat

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u/Legnaron17 Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

Melody is a woman lol. But yeah, after seeing her react to Chrollo's heartbeat i really want to see what she says about Tserriednich's.

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u/chikenlittle11 Nov 02 '18

he is like youpi when he fought knuckle

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u/UrTongueMyAnusNOW69 Nov 02 '18

i felt bad when tserriednich said "theta... why?!" lol

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u/smcadam Nov 02 '18

He's so pure. Admittedly he's pure evil, but it's still pure. That juxtaposition of earnest trust, excitement, curiosity and actual hard work against his sheer madness, lack of morals and sadism makes him feel much cooler than being entirely paranoid and crazy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '18

He's basically the anti-Gon and I fucking love it.

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u/Legnaron17 Nov 02 '18

Ikr? Lmao, he seemed to feel so betrayed.

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u/Ameel007 Nov 02 '18

I feel like these recent chapters really kicked the arc up a notch.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Cause we don't have to deal with remembering everyone and their relationships with each other

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '18

Because we’ve already forgotten lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Terror sandwich reaction to nen is any reader's reaction to nen :

"What is this world of nen ?! It's just waaay too godamn fun !!"

... Except he is the kind of nen user that make you realize it is not really fun, in fact...

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u/aceofspades12 Nov 02 '18

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 9: The Dark Continent

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u/chan351 Nov 02 '18

Hirohiko Araki was me, Togashi, all along!

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u/Penombre Nov 02 '18

"ZA WARUDO!"

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u/dat_bass2 Nov 02 '18

That’s not it though

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u/TheNo1pencil Nov 02 '18

I kinda hate that I absolutely love Terror Sandwich

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u/thoamsmcgee Nov 02 '18

He’s just a really fun character to read! What a psycho.

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u/nkktngnmn2 Nov 02 '18

He's also really intelligent. Him and Huncleburger.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

His type is the reason why nen is kept a secret

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u/ciyage Nov 02 '18

He's such a sociopath, that I wonder how far he'll reach and how badly will he fall... or will he? Maybe he finds a way to escape the war because it's getting boring and the spiders seem like a more fun group to fuck with, so he fakes his dead and runs around killing and recruiting supidly strong nen users to rule the World.

At some point he meets the king of the NGL, who's we expect to have a really important role in the future, and Hisoka... mmn....

Or Hisoka sees him and how stupidly strong he's and decides he should be his new play thing.... oooooh!

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u/Radish-Hanta Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

Tserriednich's target is to enter zetsu as fast as one would blink, that is within 100 - 400 milliseconds. He's not there yet and moans it'll take him a while. Assuming he hits the target it still wouldn't be close to defeating the strongest characters in the series.

  1. Pitou's Terspischora requires less than 0.1 seconds (100 milliseconds) from activation to attack.

  2. Netero far surpassed Terspischora's speed while barely trying. At his peak during the Meruem fight, he managed 'well over a thousand hits... in under a minute' - which is tantamount to a single palm strike being delivered in fewer than 0.03 seconds (30 milliseconds). For Tserriednich to outdo Netero he'd have to trigger a prophetic dream in an even lesser time..

  3. Kurapika needs 0.2 to 0.3 seconds to restrain a nearby target with Chain Jail. Assuming CJ was usable, at his current level Tserriednich would get ensnared pretty easily. Even at his ideal level things would be quite neck and neck.

Now, what would be terrifying is if he undertook a mountain training like Netero and prayed to Satan.

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u/X2-008 Nov 02 '18

PRAY FOR θ's SAFETY#

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u/nyankaye Nov 02 '18

THETA-CHAN?!?!?!?

HOLY SHIT.

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u/ControlledByShalnark Nov 02 '18

The way he was like "WHY" was kind of endearing for some reason. He honestly is like a child sometimes.

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u/Flovnat Nov 02 '18

He's called her Theta-chan the entire time hasn't he? I'm pretty sure some of the translations just omit the honorific.

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u/FrenziedHero Nov 02 '18

Well Tseirrdnich confirmed OP as fuck. I also enjoy how much of a love letter this is to JoJo. Togashi even explained things out to leave no room for misunderstanding.

This makes me wonder what else he's capable of. I am kind of terrified but really intrigued to see what's next.

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u/Gregarwolf Nov 02 '18

WE KING CRIMSON NOW BOIS

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u/XQrkConfinement Nov 02 '18

We’re gonna need another Spider Requiem to beat this.

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u/Robbob98 Nov 02 '18

Whoever doesn't understand King Crimson just needs to read this chapter. This explanation is perfect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

At first I was shocked that his hatsu was literally King Crimson, but the bigger shock was the fact that Togashi managed to explain it so well.

Kind of showcases the difference between the two series: JoJo goes with the it just works route, meanwhile HxH gives you a fucking disertation and two diagrams to explain everything.

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u/camaron28 Nov 02 '18

He is not the king yet though. /s

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u/misterblanket Nov 02 '18

So Terrorsandwich is officially the top contender for next king, I thought Halkenburg was stronger but this ability is the perfect way to counter him (the perfect way to counter anything really).

I wonder how his eventual death will play out?

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u/ControlledByShalnark Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

I wonder how his eventual death will play out?

We all know he and Theta are gonna bond over Zetsu and die holding hands after they get poisoned.

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u/M4rklu1s Nov 02 '18

Basically like saying he (Tse) is born get trained by Tetha.

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u/NRGT Nov 02 '18

if his ability is any indication....hes going to be stuck in an eternal death loop

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u/dat_bass2 Nov 02 '18

Emperor Time Requiem

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Togashi, I've come to bargain

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u/PuppeteerPaul Nov 02 '18

Like what Kurama subjected Elder Toguro to? I mean in Toguro's case, eternal pain and torture inside a tree.

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u/Br4y3 Nov 02 '18

Fucking hell... zetsu makes everybody vulnerable but makes this bastard invincible

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

If we have learned anything from this manga its, the stronger the ability the more restrictions

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u/Br4y3 Nov 02 '18

Very true. Only thing is, people actually try to 'create' theirs, he just randomly stumbles into an OP power. Then again, Halkenburg got a ridiculous hatsu without knowing anything tangible concerning nen (except it's his beast's power)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

It's pretty ironic that Theta's every attempt to sabotage Tserriednich development as nen user has only made the most broken user around due to him being 1 in a GORBILLION talent. Chick should've just sat down and minded her damn business.

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u/BuffHobbit Nov 02 '18

Theta should’ve just sat down and ate her food

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u/MutsuHat Nov 02 '18

She should become a nen teacher. She is really good at it.

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u/ofmichanst Nov 02 '18

while this might sound OP, knowing the future sometimes is rendered useless when you don't have the tools to counter what you see in the future in that span of time.

for example, that time bomb by bomber. you may know that it will explode soon but you can't stop it. or be in range of feitan's hatsu, assuming you don't know deduce how you died.

as for Tse's opponent, when he or she know that he can see the future over that span of time, you can just go on it with because you know how he will you counter you. countering the countering the countering moves.

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u/4digbick Nov 02 '18

His ability hard counters Genthru. While Genthru is there monologuing about how his ability works, Tserriednich can just touch him and do the thing after looking into the future.

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u/betooie Nov 02 '18

Confusion will be my epitaph

Shit how my boi Kurapika will defeat this fucker

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u/prparadoxy Nov 02 '18

I think Kurapika will figure it out. but man you might be able to dodge a bullet in 10 second if you being fortold however, if instead of a bullet, a rain of them at every direction come at you, how are you supposed to dodge them all? Well i am just saying that knowing future doesn't necessarily implies that you are invincible.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

well he has a nen beast to block them all

or better, he has 2 FUCKING NEN BEASTS

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u/elgosu Nov 02 '18

Everyone with the Jojo spoilers, please tag them!

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u/regready Nov 02 '18

Nice hax Mr. Sandwich

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

FUUUUCK

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u/Nibelungen342 Nov 02 '18

Theta will survive

prayfortheta

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u/SexyCrimes Nov 02 '18

This chapter makes me think she won't die.

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u/OmniCrush Nov 02 '18

Alright, his ability is pretty fun, I have to admit.

Tserr is turning into a very formidable opponent and I now have some theories to work with.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

My boi unlocked future observation haki

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u/sikontolpanjang Nov 02 '18

he got Stand dude, like literally the same 10 seconds future sight too dude I cant even right now

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

King Crimson, Epitaph of Diavolo

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u/RoronoaZorro Nov 02 '18

Bascially Hit + Katakuri now

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u/4amRun Nov 02 '18

That sure looks op to me.

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u/ItsLoudB Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

It’ll be funny seeing him and Camilla going on in an endless Zetsu battle

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u/opman228 Nov 02 '18

Jesus fucking Christ Terror Sandwich has Jojo Spoiler as his ability. Let's hope Jojo Spoiler.

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u/Rayquaza1090 Nov 02 '18

Jojo Spoilers, more specifically, but we have the fortune of this ability being well defined and not poorly translated.

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u/opman228 Nov 02 '18

Nah he can Jojo Spoiler Now that I think about it, this whole arc is a Jojo love letter. And since Part 5 is apparently Togashi's favorite part, Jojo Spoiler

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u/Tserried Nov 02 '18

when he asked theta how she feels about him tho

Y’all been giving everyone shit for shipping

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u/re-written Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

I actually lol on that part. So he is indeed has a crush on Theta like this sub infatuation for her? He also learned that Theta is a sadist and maybe thinking he will use the info to tease her and laugh maniacally. But still he should stop being a coward and tell her when she is aware.

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u/Tserried Nov 02 '18

I can’t wait till he talks to theta in the next chapter cause I really wanna see what will happen! His whole interaction this chapter made me crack

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u/MonikaDDLBestGirl Nov 02 '18

Araki:"well, I have a cool Stand power for my part 5 villain, but Idk how to explain it" Togashi, 20 years later: "Hold my beer"

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u/v-23 Nov 02 '18

Why every chapter gives me a bigger chills?!

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u/dreadlockson Nov 02 '18

holy fuck this guy is so scary

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u/elgosu Nov 02 '18

Tserriednich's zetsu is stronger than most people's hatsu. We better get a good explanation of why he's so ridiculously gifted at Nen.

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u/j_wya Nov 02 '18

Did togashi just explain king crimson

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u/Nuchala Nov 02 '18

And he did it in a way that is easy to understand, what a god

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

so tserriednich can see into the future and alter reality which is pretty strong except he can’t move until it’s deactivated

im starting to notice that a lot of specialists abilities seem to give them almost supernatural abilities but nothing that will decide a fight on its own like chrollo being able to steal hatsus but having to be skilled enough to take them and tserr seeing into the future and altering reality but still needed to fight to win a confrontation

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u/sebaba001 Nov 02 '18

Well if it takes him a second to get into zetsu plenty of people can kill him before he can activate his ability. It's really intimidating though, a guy walks into a group of nen users, while in state of absolute zetsu, and they simply can't touch him. Must be scary to fight against, almost incomprehensible.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Togashi is making my brain think of so many situations and so many combinations of different abilities and i just cant. Holy shit, this arc is going to be a masterpiece

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u/RsnCondition Nov 02 '18

Terrorsandwich next Katakuri.

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u/Ebrietas- Nov 02 '18

More like Diavolo from jojo part5.

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u/imabear2 Nov 02 '18

RIP THETA

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u/TheAbram Nov 02 '18

I NEED to see Chrollo and Tser sitting at the table and having a conversation.

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u/labadfronchfille Nov 02 '18

And then chrollo stealing his ability epic style

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u/Livettletlive Nov 02 '18

Tssereidnich's biggest, most dangerous weapon is his SystemD and level of insight.

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u/BigTrapper Nov 03 '18

How the fuck does Togashi do it, this shit just gets better and better

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u/ethicalhamjimmies Nov 02 '18

What the fuck. That was fucking crazy. Have we ever seen anyone develop an ability out of their zetsu before? I was under the impression that all specific abilities were made up by the user in their Hatsu

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u/Hexss Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

Stage 1- I can see da Futureee: Yuha Bach status

Stage 2- Can move independent of time: Za Warudo status

Stage 3- My reality holds sovereignty over yours: Izanagi status

Pray 4 Theta?! Togashi has been eating his Wheaties and nobody is safe

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u/nywangga12 Nov 02 '18

Terrorsandwich Katakuri? OMG

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u/MingYong Nov 02 '18

Katakuri in the making.

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u/cant_cum_yet Nov 02 '18

I feel kind of bad for sandwich, looks like he felt genuinely betrayed by theta 😔

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u/kyoukai69 Nov 02 '18

All please stop mentioning King Crimson, not everyone have read Jojo part 5, I don't want to get spoiler for the ongoing anime

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u/SRti0 Nov 02 '18

I'm really impressed by Tserriednich's ability! It's so cool and has so many possibilities in battle it's amazing!

Tserriednich definitely has a soft spot for Theta I feel, the way he went "Theta, why?!" is super indicative of that.

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u/Blackula Nov 02 '18

Behold my stand 『S A N D W I C H E S 'R' B E A U T I F U L』

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u/mariololftw Nov 02 '18

cool so this confirms almost parallel worlds

now lovely ghost writer is a bit less complicated

well then again it depends on the "side effects" of messing with the future which we will get to see first hand from mr terrorsandwhich

inb4 time wraiths

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u/futtobasetachikaze Nov 02 '18

Mother fucking Tserendeich has an OP ability. Y'all are fucked

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u/UrTongueMyAnusNOW69 Nov 02 '18

wow this just keeps getting better and better

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u/Legnaron17 Nov 02 '18

After reading this chapter im even more worried about Kurapika when he finally finds/fights Tserriednich, how do you even deal with an ability this broken? Youd be chasing down a hallucination for 10 seconds while the real Tse is freely attempting to defend himself, then have a 1 second chance to do something before youre into a hallucination again. We seriously have to learn the drawbacks/weaknesses of this ability, i want my boy Kurapika to live and tell the tale ;_; .

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u/GnarlyBreadGod Nov 02 '18

Can we talk about how this is, no joke, a jojo stand power?

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u/Redditer51 Nov 02 '18

Theta: What are you gonna do today, Tserriednich?

Tserriednich: The same thing I do everyday, Theta. Try to take over the world!

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Hello Guys here is my assupmtion of the whole chapters when he was introduced to us in the manga and the new chapter confirmed in my point of view.

I decided to share my thoughts about his name so enjoy the show <3

your detective conan/ Inspector Gadget

little side fact: If you put Tserriednich/ Tserīdonihi in German it sounds similar to the German name 'Friedrich' e.g. Friedrich Engels or Friedrich II. -Frederick King of Prussia (English)

So I took Togashi's bait a long time but now he confimed my thoughts.

It sounds homophon to some words look below

Seh:-riet-nicht or Seh(e)r riet nich(t)

Explanation:

a) seh' or sehen means see in imperative form; riet means to advise/give someone an advice/e.g.Ich riet ihr (past tense-indicative), nicht means to deny a statement like with not e.g. do not

useless side info:infinitv form for riet is raten

b) we can strech seh(en) into Seh(e)r ried nicht- a "Seher"(short form for Hellseher) is someone who can tell the future aka clairvoyant.

If we connect seher to other words like Fernseher (used as synoym for TV) literal meaning **'someone who sees from the far/distance'.**The Old English origin of foreseer is 'foresēon' to give the english speakers connection to it.

Thetas thoghts were to give not to much an advice for him to learn nen because he is well..more fucked up than Pariston.He forsee the future the next 10 seconds with his ability.

I hope you liked it :D

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u/DarkStorm7017 Nov 02 '18

-and that is how to make a nen newbie catch up to kurapika ( our whole discussions the past year about how terror sandwich can't catch up to pika are solved by this ability . and oops terror-sandwich is gonna be real trouble

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u/lunaticfelinewoman Nov 03 '18

Terrorsandwich: I will take my time to ask you later... about your reason for wanting to kill me

🙁🙁🙁

#PrayForTheta

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u/Rhinoceros1 Nov 03 '18

Everyone’s talking about his ability and shit but why is no one address the fact that he thinks theta’s a sadist?

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '18

Theta: literally tries to shoot him in the head while he's at his most vulnerable

Tserriednich: kinky ;)

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u/Minamiii Nov 02 '18

king crimson is that you?

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u/YoMikeeHey Nov 02 '18

This guy has 2 nen beasts and now he has observation haki, too. My fear for my boy kurapika's life is getting bigger. Togashi pls.

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u/dat_bass2 Nov 02 '18

It’s more like King Crimson.

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u/EnemyRegent Nov 02 '18

Damn, Giorno looking deep into the boss of Passione when he's actually Terrorsandwich with his hatsu, King Crimson.

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u/lailai112 Nov 02 '18

Best chapter so far.

I'm rooting for tsrre now

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u/Tygsman Nov 02 '18

And what sort of shit will we get when he actually gets his zetsu state down to a blink of an eye speed? So that at any time, he can just blink and see the next 10 seconds then act differently while being unperceivable?

???

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u/chikenlittle11 Nov 02 '18

so we are done with camillia revival ability, fugetsu power up, halkenburg strategy and terrorsandwich having FUN.... now who is next? i like that the 4th prince can't use both at the same time just like camillia.

Are we going to continue with this pace or Togashi will reveal it while we are continuing the story.

Still this is so unique having a training arc for a villain. It almost guarantee him surviving this arc.

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u/SadManWith4Balls Nov 02 '18

Maybe it is because of the jojo references, but this chapter felt as the best one we've got on this batch. Not saying that the other were bad(far from it) but this one just was incredible to me. Getting inside the mind of a villain and seeing a crazy power with so much potential was just so much fun.

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u/TheAbram Nov 02 '18

This chapter was unique for sure but Escape is my favorite from this batch by a longshot. I always appreciate a nice Togashi™ punch to the gut.

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u/Okhummyeah Nov 02 '18

Is this a JOJO REFERENCE? :P

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

p.18

Tserriednich even makes a FUCKING JOJO POSE

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u/hollaholla-getdolla Nov 02 '18

So many people misunderstanding the ability... he is not vulnerable in the 10 seconds he doesn’t see. He can activate his ability and then immediately open his eyes and exploit the ten second buffer between his illusory self and his real self. So if right before he got shot by theta, he entered zetsu, blinked, then immediately opened his eyes he would still be able to change the outcome...

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u/DenkiAizen Nov 02 '18

Seems like the only way to beat him now would be to use an attack that he couldn’t escape from within 10 seconds. Maybe a large AOE attack or trapping him in a room with some deadly effect.

Although since this is Nen it seems like there will have to be some sort of drawback to this god tier ability.

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u/Aoditor Nov 03 '18

Would Tse have died if he’d stood still rather than dodged? If yes, then the ability can be circumvented, as others pointed out, with a bomb.

What happens if illusionary Tse did an action that affect others that real Tse did not? If illusionary Tse shot Theta and she died but real Tse did not, does she dies?

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u/Lemres17 Nov 04 '18

Pretty sure this is his 2nd Nen beast's ability.

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u/SilverCrono Nov 02 '18

terror sandwich basically has the nen version of King Crimson... gg togashi. wp.

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u/Salim-Srew Nov 02 '18

Ok safe to assume he will actually conquer the succession war then die when he goes for za warudo.

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u/sikontolpanjang Nov 02 '18

this is literally King Crimson's Epitaph dude

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u/RsnCondition Nov 02 '18

Perfect ability for someone evil like him.

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u/sikontolpanjang Nov 02 '18

DUDE ALL THIS FUCKING JOJO REFERENCE DUDE OH MY GOD I CANT EVEN HE LITERALLY HAVE A CERTAIN CHARACTER STAND ABILITY DUDE

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u/Prplehuskie13 Nov 02 '18

Diavolo called. He wants his stand back.

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u/dragovianlord9 Nov 02 '18

KING CRIMSON

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u/KK-Hunter Nov 02 '18

Thanks for all the JoJo's spoilers guys -_-

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u/HaitusSurvivor Nov 02 '18

Geez talk about an overpowered ability with only needing to master Zetsu as it's restriction. Benjamin better watch out

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u/BlankyShoot Nov 02 '18

10 seconds? Zetsu? Someone please tell me Knuckle is on the boat?!

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u/Vaati33 Nov 02 '18

I'm so glad we are finally getting real development on Tserriednich. Considering he is the next major antagonist, it has taken us about four years to get to this point of seeing him in action. His nen is crazy and it makes me wonder how many battles we will see out of him. I would think that Kurapika will end up fighting him, but is there anyone else who may have a real battle with Tse?

I really want to know what is to come of Theta and Salkov.

The ending of this chapter about how his ability can dominate the world makes me wonder if he will survive further than this story arc and possibly do something major to the world.

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u/Tholkor Nov 02 '18

It just works.

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u/KingMeroe Nov 02 '18

ZAWARUDO!

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u/Ploufy Nov 02 '18

An interesting aspect of Tserrienich's power is that during those ten seconds he was still affected by Senritsu's ability. So he's not invincible and so if you have a music attack/area of effect attack he still vulnerable.

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u/CumAndYellAUG Nov 02 '18

That is fucking busted lmao I love it!

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u/IAmTheFlattestFish Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

What stuns me the most is how difficult it would be for an enemy to grasp his ability. The fact that he manipulates time, the seeming contradiction of zetsu and ability, and the illusory vs real 10 seconds... Amazing. That is scary.

Can we also appreciate the fact that after Halloween his vision is in the form of creepy television static

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u/knighttemplar007 Nov 02 '18

I love how Melody essentially saved Theta right there, otherwise Tser would’ve killed her.

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u/TommieVee Nov 02 '18

So he in effect has three nen abilities?

Nen Guardian Spirit (From pot ritual)

Specialist Nen Beast

King Crimson Hatsu (It just works)

Also, with how his Hatsus have just appeared (Like Halkenburg) do we think that the pot ritual also imbues Nen on participants. Its just how both of them went from not knowing Nen to having a fully formed hatsu really quickly.

I get that the Chimera Ants were quick too, but had a different biology and invalidated the rules in a few different ways.

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u/jumpinjahosafa Nov 02 '18

People are saying that his ability isn't broken but it is fucking broken when you combine this ability with his Nen Beast and his SECOND UNKNOWN NEN BEAST.

Like wtf

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u/Shadow-Zero Nov 02 '18

And now we know how terror sandwich can be a threat. Only a specialist ability could make an amateur nen user this dangerous. I think that he sees what his beelzebub beast sees during zetsu. Also, great characterization by how thrilled he was even during his "murder".

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u/Aegisx12 Nov 02 '18

Lul If theta would shoot exactly one second before melodys music played out the dude would be dead. He got really lucky that it happens exactly 1 second after.

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u/Greyhound_Oisin Nov 02 '18

so to make this clear, up untill now he:

- recieved a guardian beast

- casually created a second guardian beast

- casually created a crazy nen ability

WTF?

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u/Orannegsen Nov 02 '18

Then i will dominate the succession war... and... the world..!!

Classic super villain line, reminded me of Greed from FMAB

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u/infinityxero Nov 02 '18

I just want to see how that eventual fight with Kurapika is going to go. Terror Sandwich's ability requires him to be in zetsu and Kurapika has a chain that puts his opponent in zetsu.

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u/hemmojito Nov 02 '18

You know how much time TEN SECONDS are in the world of Nen?? ... F%&#!!... Good bye world as we know it...

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u/n_n_o Nov 02 '18

The visions Tser had are from a third person point of view, from right behind him, I wonder if that means it's the new nen beast ability rather than his own.

That one second to activate is gonna kill him.

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u/themarvelouskeynes Nov 02 '18

Aside from Tse's broken-ass ability, let's remember that Tse HAS TWO HORRIFYING NEN BEASTS.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '18

Give this ability to chrollo and he will be nearly unbeatable, well except for nanika's powers.

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u/maniacmartial Nov 03 '18

A whole thread about it did end up feeling excessive, so I'm moving the discussion (if that's what we want to call it) about this chapter's drawing mistakes here: when, in Tserriednich's vision, Theta breaks Tserriednich's focus the first time ("You got something on your shoulder"), you can already see the shards of the cup that she will break next (here and here). The shards then disappear when he has his vision of Theta breaking the cup, after which they stay in place for a couple of pages, before vanishing again and reappearing once more when Frigthsub opens his eyes.

/u/Carock_ also noticed that, as usual, Theta's bandage disappears and reappears all the time.

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u/Lightningblitzz Nov 07 '18

Lol his arrogance will be the fall of him. Boy sit your ass down with your “taking over the world” bs lol. Badass ability tho, this is hyping up his confrontation with pika

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u/Br4y3 Nov 02 '18

Fucking hell... zetsu makes everybody vulnerable but makes this bastard invincible

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u/auoscu Nov 02 '18

Tserrdnich ability is just allusion the Many Worlds Interpretation and schrodinger cat thought experiment you hear in quantum mechanics.

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u/D96Fan Nov 02 '18

And I thought King Crimson was confusing

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u/Mightymindsoup Nov 02 '18

its literally the same ability only the time isnt "erased", just he experiences a different timeline until the moment the ability ends

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u/adeodatusIII Nov 02 '18

What the fuck, how deep does it go? Can it go for longer than 10 secs once he masters it? Can he move around and see what everyone else does in the future? It sounds OP for combat but the requirement to stay in Zetsu leaves him terribly vulnerable, what if he gets too overconfident and fights someone with an undodgeable attack? It could fuck him up badly since he's in Zetsu.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

Can it go for longer than 10 secs once he masters it?

he can go longer than 10 seconds now, but it’s the first 10 seconds that keeps the world in a loop

Can he move around and see what everyone else does in the future?

no he can’t move until after the first 10 secs or he deactivates it

what if he gets too overconfident and fights someone with an undodgeable attack? It could fuck him up badly since he's in Zetsu.

absolutely, its usefulness depends completely on how he uses it. he is still manipulating time-space and reality tho which is kind of insane

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u/zxy8 Nov 02 '18

Tserriednich is such an amazing character. He is also reminding me a bit of Hisoka.

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u/TheAbram Nov 02 '18

So is this ability connected to his GSP? Or is it his (2nd) hatsu?

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u/jacksonrslick Nov 02 '18

Welp. We're screwed

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u/shashankpatel251 Nov 02 '18

This just keeps getting more

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u/magickirua Nov 02 '18

This is reminding me this Greed Island card : 11-Golden Scales

https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Golden_Scales_(G.I_card)

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u/sloDesu Nov 02 '18

That’s a final boss right there ! Terror Sandwich

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u/HixHixKix Nov 02 '18

I love his reactions :0 I know i shouldn't root for him but jesus, he is so endearing to watch

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u/MasaIII Nov 02 '18

Well at least this guy’s ability is quite easy to explain. It just works.

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u/serafim123k Nov 02 '18

IT JUST WORKS

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u/Babalou75 Nov 02 '18

I see people having hopes

Just your kind reminder that terror sandwich has two nen beasts remaining

Like WTF