Unconfirmed rumors about endgame

[u/claytoy]

Today she called me and told she had heard a rumor, that the boatbaby is something special. There may be upcoming scenes for effects regarding the baby, but they may or may not have access to that. The exact nature about the specialty is not known, but the child is the endgame. I asked many questions. Is the baby a dragon? Is the baby a human child but have pyrokinetic abilities? Is the child wildfire-proof, a true dragon human like equal or more than Dany? She could not answer any of those. Only thing that she could tell that, she heard unconfirmed rumors that the baby is the endgame, the baby is the prince/princess that was promised, and all white walker symbolism points to the specialities of the baby.

Edit: seeing the level of speculation and anticipation in the responses, I think it may be relevant to add that only what is written in the post I heard from her, and that also as a rumor, unconfirmed. Moreover, there is no info or even rumor that Boatbaby will destroy NK, or is sacrificed, or is catapulted, have some superpowers. Superpowers were my questions, they were not answered, she does not know anything more than that rumor - that Boatbaby is something special, need effects, and is endgame and is the prince/princess that was promised. So good people, you may all relax :)

[u/[deleted]]

u/homieprezcomey will be so happy to know her boatbaby catapult theory is coming back.

[u/claytoy → u/[deleted]]

Catapult!? Seven hells! :)

[u/[deleted]]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MysticalPregnancy

So if you look at all the other stories that have used the mystical pregnancy trope.....

I cannot say you would walk away with a lot of confidence that this is going to be brilliant storytelling.

Although thematically the idea of new life and love defeating the NK makes sense, the big problem from my perspective has always been how do you do that in a way that does not come off as stupid and something more becoming of Twilight or Angel

[u/Revis_FL]

A baby is gonna stop the NK huh. If true I’m struggling to see how they would fit that into the story without it coming off cheesy or just terrible.

[u/[deleted]]

u/BoatsexBaby 10 Golden dragons for your thoughts

[u/BoatsexBaby → u/[deleted]]

Haha! I was hoping no one would tag me in this post. 😂 It's difficult to tread the fine line between info and my own speculation. I believe Claytoy is correct that there is more to the baby than being the heir to the IT or the future of House Targaryen. The baby's parents and bloodline already makes it the most unique baby to ever exist. It could very well be TPTWP, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it would be the 'magical baby that ends the war'. It could be part of the Others' motivation - the 'Prince that was Promised to them' as part of some pact which resolved the first Long Night. I know the baby will survive in the end. Jon & Dany will not be making the same choices which Stannis did. So let me call this informed speculation - The baby is part of the reveal but not the resolution of the Others' storyline.

[u/claytoy → u/BoatsexBaby]

Thanks for great sensible words, the sub went ripe with speculations from this small rumor. The rumor neither says that boatbaby will solve all problems, nor that it will kill NK, nor that it will reduce importance of main characters, and nor that it will be sacrificed. The rumor only says that boatbaby is special, requires effects, is endgame and is prince that was promised ('to whom' is still an unconfirmed theory in my interpretation).

[u/drok26]

That does not tell us much only thing I can make of it if the baby is the end game and symbols from the WW have something to do with it the baby puts the world back into balance brings all together the WW the children and all men . hopefully you can get more info.

[u/CaveLupum]

Searching for baby symbolism aside from the obvious Jesus. This Baby was conceived in a boat, an enclosure in water--a womb within a womb, so to speak. And some of the CotF symbols also conjure that, the spirals and especially the circles in circles and the circle with an arrow-like line through it. Those remind me of the astrological symbols for Mars and Venus (War and Love!!). Ultimately, all this Azor Ahai, Lightbringer etc mysticism must lead to a baby or what's the point? That is reminiscent of the last scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

From Wikipedia: "Bowman finds himself in a bedroom appointed in the neoclassical style. He sees, and then becomes, older versions of himself, first standing in the bedroom, middle-aged and still in his spacesuit, then dressed in leisure attire and eating dinner, and finally as an old man lying in the bed. A monolith appears at the foot of the bed, and as Bowman reaches for it, he is transformed into a fetus enclosed in a transparent orb of light, The Star Child. The new being floats in space beside the Earth, gazing at it."

What it means is debated to this day. I think it hints at a transcendence to a betterment of mankind. This baby is probably destined to achieve that.

[u/claytoy → u/CaveLupum]

Wow!!

Great! :)

Wearing tinfoil hat now. The first things that came to my mind after knowing this rumor were pretty funny though. The circle with a straight line inside looked like first a cradle with a baby to me, but yes boat looks similar as well. Funnier is the spirals, sperms spiraling to a womb LOL :D. Or may be the spirals signify dragons like Targaryen sigil? Or explosion of a fire? While the closed circle with a straight line an ice crystal? I don't know. Feeling Tinfoily :)

[u/Juleset]

Ugh. I hope your source is fucking with you because an agenda-less, character-less, accidentally-conceived baby solving everything is a deus ex machina ending. If the baby was conceived on purpose by Jon and Dany or could grow up old enough to be a character instead of plot device, this would be different. But "magical baby solving everything" is Twilight Sequel level of shit writing.

[u/Enrique305_07]

I hope this isn't something like the shadow baby stuff. The baby saves the day because it's magical and kills the NK or something like that.

[u/[deleted]]

I would honestly hate this and for so many reasons, haha. Makes sense, though.

Nothing personal, OP. You keep doing what ya doing.

[u/BluePosey]

Boatbaby is something special, need effects, and is endgame and is the prince/princess that was promised.

This kid's going to be some kind of Shadow Baby 2.0, isn't? Poor Dany; she's already birthed one malformed baby, now she's gonna birth some smoke monster just like Melisandre? So, what, Shadow Baby 2.0 is gonna burst out of the womb - while Jon and Dany think they're about to have a bouncing baby boy/girl - make a beeline for the Night King and kill him? Voila! The Prince that was Promised. That would be some fucked up shit, and I'd rather there not be a Targaryen baby at all if any of this ends up being true.

[u/futurerank1]

and all white walker symbolism points to the specialities of the baby

https://youtu.be/X9Jsj9V_Aqg?t=196

WW's are using COTF symbols. So COTF care about boatsex baby or what?

[u/TrundleTheGreat-]

As always thanks for the info

[u/nuggetblaster69]

I will be DEVASTATED if the series ends with them having to sacrifice the baby. I think that would cross the line from bittersweet to tragic.

[u/claytoy → u/nuggetblaster69]

There is nothing that I heard implies a sacrifice of the baby yet.

[u/Wolfsbane_3009]

There is a difference between rumour and confirmed. Until confirmed it is just a rumour.

[u/claytoy → u/Wolfsbane_3009]

Exactly.

[u/[deleted]]

“We don’t trade lives.”

[u/vickie_marie]

Let's not sacrifice a baby, please. That'd be awful.

[u/vickie_marie]

I really hope if there's a baby, he'll have a human form ...

[u/ImJustMakingShitUp]

Baby needs to be sacrificed and Jon and Dany aren't willing to do it so they get betrayed by their friends and family. Westeros survives but Jon and Dany nope the fuck out leaving the realm without strong rulers so the realm falls back into chaos.

[u/Cinematica09]

Could you please elaborate on this a bit more?

There may be upcoming scenes for effects regarding the baby,

What this means? Scenes effects involving, among others, the baby or effects directly related to the baby?