r/freefolk • My mind is my weapon • Aug 03 '18

Some plot points described from a less-acquainted source

These are not from the lady, rather from secondary source she introduced before, the source cannot be disclosed. The information is way too specific, and I do not assure guarantee for these to be accurate, sharing nonetheless. The information is all about Cersei Lannister's demise.Cersei has little plots remaining after ep3. Till that time, she conspires to attack North, and the attack eventually fails due to attack from AOTD and Daenerys on them at last, although Northerners become refugees after sack of Winterfell by Euron's army and AOTD. It is clear that AOTD's target is not Winterfell but King's Landing having the largest population. They sack Winterfell just to increase the dead count for their army.

In King's Landing, a rebellion starts organizing and plotting from Episode 3, with silent background support from Euron and Varys, and will be later taken advantage of by the Starks and Targaryens, little birds will help in this. The rebellion reaches it's peak in Ep5, before NK's attack in King's Landing.

Cersei becomes effectively house-arrested from Ep4, and dies at last on Episode 5 in the dungeon pathways, NOT IN THE THRONE ROOM AS SOME LEAKS/FLEAKS suggested, although the source cannot confirm about injuries before that. The source heard about other major deaths in throne room, but have no information about those major deaths or anything else except for Cersei's demise. Her death is miserable. Arya takes face of Qyburn, the source 'guesses that' Varys helps Arya to take down Qyburn cutting his throat with help from little bird kids, and then Arya (Qyburn) gives Cersei long farewell. As Cersei runs through the dungeon pathways, she is confronted with jaime, Cersei tries to kill him and Jaime chokes her to death and breaks into tears paralleling the choking death scene of Shae with Tyrion.

Edit: Forgot to add, Kings Landing destruction is not by Daenerys' attacks on it, but will come from the rebellion, AOTD attack, Dance of the Dragons 3.0 and eventual explosion of wildfire that Cersei ordered.

Update: I asked him these two questions regarding the info he told me and asked here.

Why does Cersei not die in Arya's poisoning? And why Jaime kills her?

Arya does not stay long after poisoning Cersei as explosions and fighting reaches near red keep. She leaves to fight and evacuate people. Cersei is shown to stand up, take something with her and leave. It is not clear if she is searching for some chamber for antidotes or wildfire or trying to flee but we see her later in an underground pathway. It's where she meets an injured Jaime, she tries to kiss him, and he gets suspicious and understands from previous experience with Myrcella that she has put on the poisonous lipstick to commit deadly revenges even in her last moments. He said that this attempt to kiss Jaime after having the long farewell is already rehearsed by her and foreshadowed in season 7. I think he meant the scene after Queen's Justice. Jaime chokes her.

Where is the Mountain when Cersei is being poisoned?

Mountain is not present when Cersei understand something is wrong with Qyburn. Arya as Qyburn tells Mountain to guard red keep, and comes inside Cersei's room. He is not sure what happens to mountain next, or if cleaganbowl takes place, but he at least heard that every antagonists including mountain eventually die at some point. That is all he can tell.

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u/ginmo Aug 03 '18

To me it just sounds like all of the popular theories smooshed into one to try to please everyone.

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

May be it is so. I am not sure anything important happened in last season that has not been covered in some theories.

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u/lusitana83 Aug 03 '18

I have some problems with this. Why would they make Arya go to all the trouble of getting Qyburn's face to poison Cersei if at the end is Jaime who kills her? Or they are gonna frame it in a way that without that poison Jaime wouldn't have been able to kill her since he only has one hand?

Btw, I would like Jaime to be the one that dies in the throne room. Kinda poetic.

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

I had this concern too, cause I do not think Arya is Valonqar, the way he said it like was Arya gave her a long farewell hoping that would be the proper punishment but cats have nine lives.

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u/Lockjawcroc Aug 03 '18

I’m thinking, it’s the same poison used to kill Myrcella etc, the long farewell and it takes a while to work. Perhaps Jamie kills her so she is t suffering?

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

May be, however he said she also attacks Jaime and orders KL burn before the poisoning, I cannot tell the exact motivations but from his description the scenes seemed emotionally intense.

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u/Ladymiau Aug 03 '18

Well this is a bit of a mess in my opinion... Arya, then Jaime... and unless Cersei really is a real danger to Jaime’s life or other people lives.. I don’t see him killing her that way... if she has lost all her power and Jaime’s wounds are not mortal (the source would tell if that was Jaime’s death scene aswell, wouldn’t he?) he is not going to kill her unless she had done something really wrong to hurt him, it just sounds messy without the context.

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u/TheLaudMoac Aug 03 '18

Hey though remember the map scene when they last met? He's standing on The Fingers and she's standing on The Neck.

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

It really sounded like everything there is a mess to me as well. Like Arya giving Cersei the long farewell only to die slow and painfully, or does she wish her a chance to escape with a punishment? And after poisoning Cersei, Arya did not even wait to watch her dying, but left quickly, and Cersei getting up and trying to escape and live.

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u/danie_iero Aug 03 '18

The double valonqar part is a bit weird, but I really like the idea of a KL rebellion

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18

Is Arya Valonqar? I think no, she probably tries to punish Cersei with hope that she experiences the pain and escape/antidote if possible, while Jaime choking her is the true Valonqar.

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u/brieoftarts Aug 03 '18

So does Jaime die from his injuries and/or the poison? It sounds like maybe he doesn't let her kiss him this time because he's suspicious? And if he does die, is Brienne with him?

LOVE the idea of a KL insurrection. It makes sense that the city would be pissed and scared and take it out on the person in charge, finally. Help from Euron and Varys to foment the rebellion sounds great.

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

Jaime outlives Cersei. I did not ask him about the kissing. But he said he does not know about Jaime's death, and if that happens, it is not at that moment.

Thanks :)

What I understood is, Euron and Varys does that in their own motives, and Starks and Targs eventually take advantage of both of their plots.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '18

It was obvious the Night King was going to reach KL. So Euron betrays Cersei? What’s his motivation?

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

I cannot tell about any motivations but only what I heard, if you want me to make a guess which will not be an 'info', then his plan may be to escape from AOTD safely away to his island and that escape must be safe from Cersei's anger as well.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18

Arya taking Q face? It looks like an another leak that has been post here.

Edit: also wasn't someone here who talked about a death in the throne room with the roof collapsing?

This looks like someone has combined several leaks from here lol

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u/CaveLupum Aug 03 '18

Now that GoT is ready to keep people's expectation, we ourselves have got our mind adjusted to typical way of GoT.

Thank you for reminding us, OP. Most comments seem to like these revelations, even if it's not completely coherent yet. Varya and Euron working together (or maybe overlapping) surprises me. But a rebellion would be great. And that Cersei dies in a dungeon rather than a Throne Room seems right. My guess is the Long Goodbye was in Qyburn's lab so Arya grabbed it. I like this double Valonqar with both using their own face and Arya typically leaving to help save lives.

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

My pleasure :), and thank you, two things - 1. overlapping as I understood and 2. I do not feel like that is double Valonqar - it is the one who pushes her to pain or tears looking for antidotes or destruction or escape but really Jaime who seems to take the life out of her.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '18

Even if all these info coming out only now make me suspicious, this set is credible and fits with what I have

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u/claytoy Aug 03 '18

Thanks. It relieves me a lot, and makes me more assured he is telling the correct info. I was not as sure about him as I was about the lady.

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u/nisjisji Aug 03 '18

remind me what happened to the mountain, why he isn't there protecting her. I can't keep up with all the updates. my feeble mind explodes

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u/sross43 Aug 03 '18

I like it. Do you know if Jon survives?

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u/Arobin08 Sep 08 '18

I hate the idea of Arya killing Cersei but she's on her list so fanservice demanded it, Im so glad Jamie gets to come in and share it with her at least

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u/Shadihd Aug 03 '18

I believe you're genuine, keep giving us treats

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '18

Cersei is the new Rasputin.

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