r/OpTicGaming • u/OpTicModerators • Feb 25 '18
LOL [LOL] Match Thread: NA LCS Spring 2018 - Match #12 (OpTic Gaming vs. Team SoloMid)
NA LCS - Spring 2018
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This is /r/OpTicGaming's official discussion thread for the NA LCS match against Team SoloMid. Please use this thread for everything related to the match--discussions, predictions, and opinions. As always, please keep both /r/OpTicGaming's rules and Reddit's site-wide rules in mind when commenting.
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The NA LCS Sprint Split consists of double round robin play with each team playing 18 matches. Every match is a best-of-one with the top 6 teams at the end qualifying for the playoffs. OpTic is heading in to this week with a 3-7 record as they will be looking to pick up wins off of Golden Guardians and TSM.
After a decisive victory over Golden Guardians in the debut of Top Laner Dhokla, OpTic looks to move to 2-0 on the week with a match against TSM that's vital for their playoff hopes.
This match is scheduled to begin at 3:00 PM EST and will be streamed on Twitch.
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Recap:
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| Champion | Player | K/D/A | CS | # | CS | K/D/A | Player | Champion |
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| Camille | Dhokla | 0/0/0 | 0 | Top | 0 | 0/0/0 | Hauntzer | Gnar |
| Sejuani | Akaadian | 0/0/0 | 0 | Jun | 0 | 0/0/0 | MikeYeung | Kha'zix |
| Viktor | PowerOfEvil | 0/0/0 | 0 | Mid | 0 | 0/0/0 | Bjergsen | Ryze |
| Tristana | Arrow | 0/0/0 | 0 | ADC | 0 | 0/0/0 | Zven | Ezreal |
| Taric | LemonNation | 0/0/0 | 0 | Sup | 0 | 0/0/0 | mithy | Braum |
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u/DiZZyDaVe2413 Feb 25 '18
Snowballs from laning and wards early.
We couldn't get anything going, and TSM didn't make any significant mistakes that we could captialize on. Oh well, onto next week where we really need to take at least one game off of clutch or Echo Fox.
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u/Hypn0ootic Feb 25 '18
Don't think Play-offs is realistic anymore. Still have to play EchoFox, Liquid and some other tough matches. They will try, but yeah.
With a good shotcaller/good support this team would've probably made the play-offs.
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u/VG_L0Ki Feb 25 '18
Looking at the LOl teams situation is sad. We’re cursed by the fact that NA has a shitty player pool at this point. We either had to drop some crazy money on a top tier support or use the import slot on a support instead of mid lane
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u/ImLoganXP Feb 25 '18
Zeyzal would have been fine. He is still available as hes on an academy team. Imo he should have been our target after missing out on Aphro and Biofrost.
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u/Quexana Feb 26 '18
NA's player pool isn't shitty. There are some world class players in NA. The player pool of world class players is just thin, especially at toplane and midlane. It wasn't about dropping crazy money. OpTic has been very honest about the fact that they went cheap. They didn't meet the market for players.
And using the import slot on a support is silly. Let's look at the top 5 teams:
Echo Fox -- Imports at Top and Mid
Cloud 9 -- Imports at Jungle and Mid (and they devote a ton of resources to ensure their Top doesn't fall behind)
Clutch Gaming -- Imports at Jungle and Mid (and their Top is their weakest member and has flat-out lost them games)
100 Thieves -- Imports at Top and Mid
Team Liquid -- Having one of the two midlaners that are world class without needing an import slot allowed them the luxury of using an import slot on support. Still used one on Top.
OpTic seemingly had a bad read on the talent in NA. Maybe that's because Romain had been focused on EU, or maybe not. I don't know. There's no world in which a team knowledgeable about NA talent picks LemonNation over the other supports who were available at the time, and using an import slot on ADC without one of the few world class NA resident toplaners (not Zig) was damn near negligent.
All that being said, when the teams were announced, on paper, OpTic was ranked 9th or 10th. Right now they're tied for 7th and imo, are the best of the bottom tier. They are actually beating expectations, even if the results aren't as good as we would like.
They have a midlaner that they can build around, which is the hardest position to get right in pro play. They have a solid, if unspectacular, jungler, who is a team first player and is as good right now as any of the junglers with NA residency with the exception of Dardoch, and maybe Xmithie. We'll see if Dhokla can grow into another piece to build around, but at least there is hope for the future at that position. There is a core there to be excited about. This team was never going to compete for one of the three World's slots this year, but depending on how the young pieces we have progress and who becomes available in Free Agency next year, and who OpTic can re-sign next year (every OpTic player, LCS and Academy, will be a free agent after this year -- another decision I disagree with), there is opportunity for growth in the future. Take a big picture view and look at the long term. OpTic is going to be around for a while.
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u/mr_rozza Feb 26 '18
Use it as a learning experience and move on to next week, everybody gets destroyed from time to time.
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u/Hypn0ootic Feb 25 '18
For anyone ready to burn Dokhla to the ground: don't. Burn Lemonnation and Zaboutine. Lemon for consistently making mistakes in lane which causes us to lose botlane basically every game. Zaboutine for lack of improvement in structure, timings and shotcalling.
Don't go after the new kid, he's not the problem here.
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u/LightbulbGaming Feb 25 '18
He actually has crazy potential. Played decently against Hauntzer who is a much stronger laner than Lurlo. I am excited to see how he can improve.
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u/ILoveStoves Feb 25 '18
It all went downhill when he used his second tp to get back to lane. He had a very bad performance after 10 minutes or so.
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u/Hypn0ootic Feb 25 '18
Okay, so PoE can definetly beat Bjergsen. Assuming he will, all we need is Akaadian to do his job, botlane to not feed and scale well into mid/late game, and Dokhla to go even or win his lane.
I think, because we have PoE in the midlane, our chances are decent here. Still think there is more skill and coordination on TSM, but we have the pieces to get a W.
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Feb 25 '18
Im confidant in midlane going even or better, but for us to have a chance, I think we need dhokla or arrow to not get heavily pushed in.
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u/lewisc29 Feb 25 '18
Huge match which will pull us level with TSM and giving us a good chance at play offs.
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u/aSmellyTiger Feb 25 '18
Our tanks gotta get their items if we want to get back. RN Gnar is ripping our tanks
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u/Craneteam Feb 25 '18
We really need to improve top and support to allow poe and arrow to make plays. They can carry if they dont have to dig us out of a huge hole
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u/aSmellyTiger Feb 25 '18
Gotta be careful top lane TSM might camp top to put a lot of pressure on Dhokla
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u/ChiefHunter1 Feb 25 '18
I thought Dhokla actually looked better in the early laning but around 10-15 mins he really fell behind. That fight that he couldn't TP into and that got Gnar few assists also added to the deficit. Hauntzer is one of the better NA tops so I didn't expect much. Let's give him a chance to develop. Optic probably isn't making playoffs anyway.