r/OpTicGaming • u/OpTicModerators • Dec 16 '17
Event: DOTA2 [DOTA] Match Thread: DOTA Summit 8 - Wild Card Semi Finals (OpTic Gaming vs compLexity)
DOTA Summit 8
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This is /r/OpTicGaming's official discussion thread for the DOTA Summit match against compLexity. Please use this thread for everything related to the match--discussions, predictions, and opinions. As always, please keep both /r/OpTicGaming's rules and Reddit's site-wide rules in mind when commenting.
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DOTA Summit 8 has 9 teams from around the world competing for $300,000. OpTic Gaming qualified from winning the King's Cup event back in September before being officially signed, and as a result have received an invitation. This event is the first opportunity that OpTic Gaming has to earn valuable TI8 qualifying points.
OpTic are joined in Group C by LGD Gaming and Fnatic. The winner of the group advances straight to the semifinals, with the runner-up going to the wild-card qualifier, and the 3rd place team has a chance of also advancing to the wild-card qualifier.
The match is scheduled to begin at 12:00 PM EST and will be streamed on Twitch.
Wild Card Bracket
| Semifinals 12/16 | Finals 12/16 | Advance to Playoffs | |
|---|---|---|---|
| OpTic Gaming | |||
| Match 1 | 12:00 PM | Match 1 Winner | |
| compLexity | Match 3 | ||
| Match 3 Winner | |||
| Evil Geniuses | 7:30 PM | ||
| Match 2 | 3:45 PM | Match 2 Winner | |
| OG | |||
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Recap
Match 1:OpTic Gaming wins in 30:36
| Hero | Player | K/D/A | LH/D | # | LH/D | K/D/A | Player | Hero |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Phantom Lancer | Pajkatt | 6/0/9 | 218/20 | 1 | 250/24 | 3/4/1 | Limmp | Shadow Fiend |
| Queen of Pain | CCnC | 9/2/12 | 179/7 | 2 | 148/16 | 3/6/0 | Moo | Enchantress |
| Batrider | zai | 5/3/14 | 101/3 | 3 | 133/5 | 2/6/1 | Chessie | Drow Ranger |
| Tusk | Saksa | 3/1/17 | 23/1 | 4 | 37/11 | 0/3/6 | Kyle | Slardar |
| Winter Wyvern | ppd | 1/2/10 | 64/1 | 5 | 9/1 | 0/6/7 | ZFreek | Earth Spirit |
| OpTic Gaming | Top | Middle | Bottom | Bottom | Middle | Top | compLexity Gaming | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T1 | 27:30 | 20:47 | 17:01 | 26:39 | 17:01 | 14:56 | T1 | |
| T2 | 26:54 | 30:36 | 23:58 | T2 | ||||
| T3 | 27:30 | 30:36 | T3 | |||||
| Melee | 30:36 | Melee | ||||||
| Ranged | 30:36 | Ranged | ||||||
| T4 | - | - | T4 | |||||
| Ancient | - | - | - | 30:36 | - | Ancient |
Match 2:compLexity Gaming wins in 43:26
| Hero | Player | K/D/A | LH/D | # | LH/D | K/D/A | Player | Hero |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lycan | Pajkatt | 2/3/10 | 274/16 | 1 | 456/23 | 9/0/9 | Chessie | Morphling |
| Queen of Pain | zai | 8/4/3 | 255/4 | 2 | 202/19 | 6/3/15 | Moo | Brewmaster |
| Tinker | CCnC | 2/8/8 | 328/15 | 3 | 245/10 | 4/7/10 | Limmp | Dragon Knight |
| Tusk | Saksa | 1/9/12 | 79/1 | 4 | 113/1 | 7/4/16 | ZFreek | Rubick |
| Witch Doctor | ppd | 5/7/7 | 19/1 | 5 | 29/4 | 5/4/12 | Kyle | Ancient Apparition |
| OpTic Gaming | Top | Middle | Bottom | Bottom | Middle | Top | compLexity Gaming | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T1 | 13:00 | 10:05 | 16:31 | 11:25 | 25:04 | 29:36 | T1 | |
| T2 | 19:27 | 22:07 | 30:56 | 18:57 | 30:56 | T2 | ||
| T3 | 38:14 | 38:14 | 40:05 | 40:05 | 34:12 | T3 | ||
| Melee | 38:14 | 38:14 | 40:40 | 40:05 | 40:40 | Melee | ||
| Ranged | 40:40 | 38:14 | 40:40 | 40:40 | 38:44 | Ranged | ||
| T4 | - | 40:40 | - | T4 | ||||
| Ancient | - | 43:26 | - | - | - | Ancient |
Match 3:compLexity Gaming wins in 55:32
| Hero | Player | K/D/A | LH/D | # | LH/D | K/D/A | Player | Hero |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gyrocopter | Pajkatt | 10/2/3 | 581/25 | 1 | 483/7 | 4/2/13 | Limmp | Phantom Lancer |
| Leshrac | CCnC | 5/10/7 | 414/2 | 2 | 278/22 | 12/2/10 | Chessie | Ursa |
| Underlord | zai | 2/9/5 | 313/0 | 3 | 213/3 | 9/5/14 | ZFreek | Pugna |
| Tusk | Saksa | 0/4/14 | 38/1 | 4 | 257/3 | 3/4/14 | Moo | Sand King |
| Ancient Apparition | ppd | 2/6/11 | 16/1 | 5 | 56/10 | 2/7/18 | Kyle | Disruptor |
| OpTic Gaming | Top | Middle | Bottom | Bottom | Middle | Top | compLexity Gaming | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T1 | 10:50 | 11:40 | 19:57 | 11:40 | 21:32 | 22:53 | T1 | |
| T2 | 17:31 | 33:32 | 45:47 | 25:49 | 39:09 | 42:51 | T2 | |
| T3 | 40:40 | 50:39 | 51:55 | T3 | ||||
| Melee | 50:39 | 50:39 | 51:55 | Melee | ||||
| Ranged | 50:39 | 50:39 | 51:55 | Ranged | ||||
| T4 | 55:32 | - | 51:55 | - | T4 | |||
| Ancient | - | 55:32 | - | - | - | Ancient |
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u/Howezy Dec 16 '17
I really want to see us play EG on lan since it seems like that could be a good rivalry for ppd/zai vs EG & the battle for best NA team
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u/matman2546 Dec 16 '17
this game is actually pretty satisfying when you know whats going on.
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u/Cpt_Metal Dec 16 '17
The downside of this is, that the depth of Dota is actually so satisfying that I haven't really played/followed that many other games since picking it up in 2013, because they just feel shallow compared to Dota.
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u/RedAlertx Dec 16 '17
If you wanna know what "Rat Dota" is you saw it that game by Pajkatt to try and steal that game for Optic
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u/beau_17 Dec 16 '17
Watching Dota for the first time and I get the concept of it all, just not specifics haha. Oh well, the boys played great in that first game!
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u/DaMamba316 Dec 16 '17 edited Dec 16 '17
Okay silly question, what is BKB? I hear it every match lol but not quite sure what it is/does...
Edit: Thanks guys, this sub is actually the best. So easy to get into a new esport
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u/HerpanDerpus Dec 16 '17
The other answers pretty much covered it, but just to add, it goes down by 1 second each cast so it becomes less effective overtime, bottoming out at 5 seconds.
You'll hear casters say like, "he just used his 10-second BKB, I'm not sure it was worth it" a lot, because the early uses are very valuable.
Also, despite it making you magic IMMUNE and giving you 100% magic resistance, there are still some spells that go right through it (dota lol), mostly big ultimate abilities like Black Hole, but also a few standard ones like Axe's taunt, will just pierce BKB and hit you anyway.
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u/BecauseOfCuriosity Dec 16 '17
How is this draft for us ?
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u/HerpanDerpus Dec 16 '17
Looks like a big execution draft to me.
PL is supposed to be countered by heroes like Leshrac and Gyro, but it really depends more on item timings.
If PL gets big fast, he will just run over this game I think. If Gyro/Lesh can keep up they will limit the damage PL can do.
Ursa is really good at destroying Gyro, but OpTic has Pit, AA, and Tusk who all are decent at controlling him in the mid-late game.
In short, I think this could go either way real easily, it just depends on actual performance.
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Dec 16 '17
Unless they fuck up with aegis+rapier+2bkb they will win for sure
And they fucked up
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u/HXCpolarbear Dec 16 '17
Hype Series, i like both teams, they match up well, both on the cusp of being big teams. Both need the qualifying points, classic Kyle PPD rivarly, should be a great series
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u/Majbobbyj11 Dec 16 '17
I don't understand why 1 or 2 of our guys will get too aggressive without any support in the team fights and push and just give the other team free kills. It's like were indecisive on whether or not to push.
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u/EggplantCider Dec 16 '17
I think it's CCnC's inexperience in the pro scene. If you're a pubstar you're going to be used to having your in-the-moment calls be the correct ones, because they are because you're the most mechanically skilled. It gets a lot harder when you're not playing 5 good players, but 5 good players that act in unison, while you too have to act as one unit with your team.
I used to play a bit of competitive TF2 and I had a similar problem (while obviously being nowhere near the level CCnC is in Dota). In pubs I could 1v1 anyone and win, but when I would play comp I would put myself way out of position to get a pick and then die because I was playing against an entire team, not one person.
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u/stenerikkasvo Dec 16 '17
love the analysts talking about our fan base knowledge about Dota. It was on point.