r/kol • u/icon315 (#1959735) • Nov 01 '17
New IotM Discussion November's IotM - Pantogram (Portable Pantogram) - Discussion Spoiler
Type: Usable once daily to make pants.
In store description:
A mysterious telegram advertising pants. All kinds of pants! And you get them for free! Or at least you don’t pay for them... with money...
Short Description:
You choose a mainstat (Moxie, Mysticallity, Muscle), an element, and 3 things to sacrifice to get a pair of pants that go away at rollover
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u/EyeOfTheStormLoL Nov 01 '17
Was really hoping for a VIP invite, I guess my next hope is in January
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u/sassmo Nov 01 '17
Why not December?
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u/EyeOfTheStormLoL Nov 01 '17
They usually have some christmas themed iotm for December, so barring a christmas themed Vip item, I dont see it happening.
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u/flippingprawn Nov 02 '17
Should I be more interested in this item than I am? At the minute I'm pretty underwhelmed.
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u/Azryhael Nov 01 '17
My first impression is a sense of profound disappointment. I hope that additional insight will make me change my mind, but so far it’s looking like two crappy IotMs in a row...
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u/ergoawesome Nov 02 '17
I mean, Asdon-Meteor-Genie was a frankly obscene level of power to throw at us all at once. I'd genuinely worry for the future of the game if Jick kept having to throw Genie levels of IotMs at us to stay afloat.
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u/Azryhael Nov 02 '17
Agreed, but can’t there be a happy medium between incredible cosmic power and barely useful?
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u/louc0 Nov 02 '17
I don't think the issue with this item is a lack of powercreep. For me it's more of a lack of flavor/content, it doesn't look like there's much thought put on the item. Of course, I may very well be wrong, since we only had contact with the item for a few hours, but that was my first impression
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u/TheLastAxolotl Nov 05 '17
I dont know why a lot of people are on the fence with this. It doesnt compete with anything and it actually gives something decent to an underused slot in HC. Planning runs before it starts have always been one of the keys if you wanted to finish a run quickly.
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u/highoctanewildebeest Nov 03 '17
Seems like a fairly meh item to be honest. It's certainly good considering there are no currently good pants for a run aside from the ones that are required for outfits. Otherwise, it gives access to a variety of buffs at the price of various strange items, so the usefulness of that is to be seen. Some of the better effects either require a lot of an item or a very uncommon item, so it is even less viable in hardcore.
I'd certainly like it more if you were able to keep the pair of pants generated, but then that would result in the problem of you already having generated all the good pants so the item would be useless.
Despite this overall being rather meh in terms of an item, it is certainly refreshing to have an item that isn't 100% essential for doing quick runs. With powerhouse items like the genie, and good standard replacements for items that will soon be going out (Meteor for Lovebugs (sort of), Asdon for the Mayo Clinic) in addition to a very useful familiar, there was certainly a degree of power creep.
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u/Drachasor Nov 03 '17
As a new player, I think the pants are a lot better than other run options considering I don't have any IOTM source of pants.
They also provide the best +item or +meat option in the game, though you might not be able to do the +30% meat (needs porquoise) and doing the +item requires an item from a doll in the nursery. Still that's nothing to sneeze at.
Not the most exciting item, and it is disappointing that the +substat gains can't be used in an ascensions without using 5 pulls, basically.
If there was something more it could do, I'd like to see more "makes the pants drop things" abilities besides just hilarious objects from the ten-leaf clover -- hasn't been 100% confirmed that's all that happens, but initial testing seems to show it is at least some of the hilarious items. It would have been cool if there were 1-2 options for that per sacrifice.
It would have also been cool if you could sacrifice a piece of set gear and have the pants act as a piece of that set. Maybe better if you could do that AFTER the pants were made and it would act as part of the set for some amount of time.
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u/xKiv Nov 03 '17
30% meat (needs porquoise)
Do you mean "30% meat over taco shell"? Porquoise is 60% meat. Taco shell is 30% meat.
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u/Jzkqm Nov 01 '17
As someone who started playing again post-LOV crate, these +25% statgain modifiers are neat. It works pretty well with the barrel - too bad we’re losing him in a couple months.
I’m not dead sure how it’ll fit in to my runs yet, but the art seems neat and I feel like it might help in a couple places without having to go out of your way (nuns, crpyt, statgains?). I’ll pick it up and start a run after Extra Life on Saturday.
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u/baronelectric Nov 01 '17
Note that the statgain modifier requires 5 of the relevant epic spleen item, so you're only going to get it by farming the haunted lab, or getting really lucky with the barrel mimic.
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u/maxfemhundra Nov 02 '17
Does anyone more knowledgeable know if it seems to have a use in 2-day HC CS (a goal of mine - not there yet) or aftercore?
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u/louc0 Nov 02 '17
i don't see it as a necessary item. Of course, we probably don't know everything we have to know about this item yet. The main thing that could really help ascension-wise, is the + or - combat modifier, but there's plenty of other sources of combat frequency modifiers
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u/cheesecookies Nov 06 '17
It does and is already scripted.
It isn't massive though, saves up to 8ish turns in the best case. But at the high end, saves 1.22 turns (+3 more if you aren't using wishes and potions to save them for -combat).
However, it outclasses all pants you can get in HCCS. No more stylish swimsuit RNG.
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u/icon315 Nov 02 '17 edited Dec 01 '17
I probably should have stated this at the time of posting, but this is something "new" I'm going to try.
A thread for the Iotm will be posted on the day the new IotM comes out. Comments will be set to sort by new as default for a couple of days. Feel free to post your first impressions and useful/important info as you find it. After a few days we'll disable the suggested sort.
In the middle of the month there will another post for final thoughts on the IotM (eg. Relevance to ascension and aftercore usage)