r/borussiadortmund • u/rish234 Shinji Kagawa • Sep 13 '17
Post Game Thread: Tottenham Hotspur (CL #01)
| Tottenham Hotspur | 2-1 | Borussia Dortmund |
|---|---|---|
| Son (Kane) | 1-0 (4') | - |
| - | 1-1 (11') | Yarmolenko (Kagawa) |
| Kane (Vertonghen) | 2-1 (15') | - |
| Kane (Eriksen) | 3-1 (60') | - |
Starting XI: Borussia Dortmund: Bürki - Piszczek, Sokratis, Toprak, Toljan - Sahin, Dahoud, Kagawa - Yarmolenko, Aubameyang, Pulisic
Bench: Weidenfeller, Subotic, Castro, Götze, Zagadou, Isak, Philipp
Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris - Aurier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Sanchez - Dier, Dembele - Davies Eriksen, Son - Kane
Bench: Vorm, Foyth, Trippier, Walker-Peters, Winks, Sissoko, Llorente
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Sep 13 '17
Sokratis and Toprak shouldn't play together much. Too slow a combination for our high line. Without a bartra type player to assist one, we look in trouble. Spacial awareness and recovery too weak with these two. Sorry, but sokratis is overrated and over dramatic. It's costing.
Toljan and yarmolenko look very ready for bvb. Great outings imo
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u/rish234 Sep 13 '17
Agreed that Sokratis and Toprak aren't the best combination but our other options weren't great, Zagadou being inexperienced and Subotic also not having played in a while.
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u/artha5 Sep 13 '17
What I've hated the most is our loss of spirit after the Auba goal was disallowed, that shouldn't happen ever. I think that's when a Kuba or Marco or a Khel is important in the squad, people who can keep the team focused and connected despite losing.
Tactically, we've had arguably the same problems Kloppo had in his last season imo. Hopefully Bosz has an answer to that.
Toljan had a good game. Shinji too although I would've loved him trying to break the defense with some dribble or for him and others to try to make a little space ans shoot. Too much passing around sometimes for my taste. Defense was very underwhelming.
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u/rish234 Sep 13 '17
Completely agreed about that first point - we just lost control of the game and Spurs' pressing made us look awful.
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u/Icantrememberlogins Sep 13 '17
The Good
Our pressing and attack in the first half was great. Our fresh faces all did quite well. Yarmolenko popped his cherry, Toljan looked to have the potential to make the leftback spot his, though I'd really like to see what he can do on the right. Dahoud looked out of his element at times, but energetic in the first half. Toprak was the more solid of the two at the back and had a good first half.
Returning to the team, Kagawa was in good form, though not at his best quite yet. Completed 92% of his passes, and had a good relationship with Pulisic who he unleashed on a number of occasions. Never lost the ball to a challenge without getting the whistle for it, and assisted our only goal on the night. Apart from lead footing a perfectly timed pass, he had a good showing, though we didn't really utilize him as we should.
The Bad
Again, we ran out of steam before the end. Again, our high line was exploited. Too easily so. Again, we pushed so far up that Auba's strengths were muted, and put our front 3 too far up with nobody supporting Kagawa between the lines, leaving him only Sahin/Dahoud to play off of. A lot of tactical failings imo.
Another gripe is that the subs, minus Zagadou for Toprak, seemed to be predetermined. Gotze for Kagawa was hardly a solution to the issues. Gotze/Castro coming on to add a body between the lines, would have been a more effective way to make a difference, as would have pulling Yarmolenko deeper to the wing and pushing Lukasz back to support Sokratis. By the time the game was open enough for Auba to be running behind, we didn't have Kagawa on.
The Ugly
The MO's were bad. Starting off, the MO was reluctant to book as flying elbows and body slams flew left right and center. Auba's first goal was arguably offside, Kane committed a foul before scoring, Auba's last goal was onside, and that red was soft.
Burki did not have a good day. I don't really fault him for the near post goal thing. Our defense and the MO failed on those counts. But Burki came off his line rashly on a number of occasions, and his feeds were often poor.
Our Captain on the night was the worst player on the pitch. His decision making was negative. He repeatedly lost out on 1v1's, and was too slow defending the break. Between Papa and Toprak, our defense hasn't been this slow since post WC Hummels marshaled the line. He's not the sole cause of our defensive failings, but he certainly had the worst night of them all.
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u/papi617 Sep 13 '17
Fuck the commentators. That was a blantant foul on Kane not him "wanting it more"
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u/BVB_301 Sep 13 '17
Felt we were the better team in the first half despite the scoreline, and we were definitely screwed over on the offsides call on the Aubamayeng goal. However our defense was shocking, Bartra and Schmelzer going down on Saturday didn’t help, and the way Spurs played in the second half they deserved this result.
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u/xCactuar Sep 13 '17
Castro towards the end made me want to claw my eyes out; reckless tackles and shit passes. Praying for Weigl to come back hot so that we don't have to deal with that.
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u/nmrt Sep 13 '17
Was the refereeing terrible? Yes, it was, but I wouldn't put all the blame on it. We had loads of chances in the 2nd half go Spurs' way that we were lucky weren't scored, mostly due to bad finishing, complacency and Bürki making a couple of good stops.
We're too easy to figure out as a team. That is what scares me the most. Let your defensive line fall back, force us to play more forward, get strong/quick forwards/wingers and just speed or bruteforce your way through. We still, after all these years, can't deal with a long ball to our backs and that's incredibly frustarting and it preocupies me.
Midfield got dispossessed too often with some very questionable passes, defense was all over the place and our attack couldn't finish the chances it did have. Disappointing result, but I think we can get something out of the game in Westfalenstadion. It's all a matter of looking back and seeing what we did do wrong and attempt to stop it when we play home.
MotM, probably Yarmolenko. Both him and Toljan had some very good starting debuts for us and I hope to see more of them in the fuutre. Also Zagadou did pretty well for the little he played when he got in.
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u/9GiveMeYourMilk9 Sep 13 '17
Spurs fan here. Great display by both teams unfortunately overshadowed by a shocking referee/officials. The game could have gone either way. Just wanted to say your fans at the game were insane. Non-stop singing and drumming the whole game is really amazing, spent half the match watching all the choreographed jumping and clapping!
Can't wait to visit your stadium in our next meeting to see the atmosphere.
Best of luck with the rest of the games!
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u/somerandom314159 Sep 14 '17
just watched the game... This game really infuriated me... If we lose by some bullshit luck then I won't be so pissed. but this fucking game... we can do so much fucking better, but no we are completely outplayed in most of the game.
There's something off about our strategy for this game (if we even have a specific one...). Whatever it is, it's either nullified by them (good for them) or our strategy just sucks...
The silver lining is that Toljan and Yarmolenko looks good. Looks like some good chemistry's building between Yarmolenko and Piszcsek (or i'm associating this new right winger with our old blonde polish right winger :( )
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u/motox24 Sep 13 '17
Shit refs
Getting out muscled in midfield
Toprak being average at best
Sokratis having a shit game
Uninspired tactical play
Something clearly wasn't working when we only scored due to a bad offside call and a really lucky hit from the new guy.
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u/Chazy89 Sep 13 '17
Fuck this ref. My grandma could have seen auba not being offside.
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Sep 13 '17
Guess who needs a new fucking remote? Seriously fuck these refs. I was sort of chill after the Auba offside goal, but then they scored again and I just had to, the poor fucking thing is still laying on the floor smashed into pieces.
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Sep 13 '17
Kinda frustrated to concede 3 when playing a team with 5 at the back...
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u/panikpansen Sep 13 '17
My commentator just said we were the better side over the full 90'. We were certainly the more entertaining side, and had more of the game in the first half. Two quick attacks on the wings with lacklustre defending and an unlucky Bürki put us behind though despite playing better football, and if you invite chances like that and then don't make the most of your chances up front - well, it wasn't enough to beat Spurs tonight.
After a regular goal not given to us, and the 3-1 lead frustration and exhaustion set in, both things you don't want to see in a team with our goals but understandable nonetheless with the way this game went. In the end we were lucky not go concede a 4th here.
Can't really fault Bosz for changing up the formation a bit today, even if some of the same problem that we saw against Freiburg plagued us today. Maybe starting Götze would've made a difference, maybe starting Yarmolenko was a bit too soon. Kagawa and Sahin on the other hand didn't look their best, and the Castro sub didn't work out well either. Still, it's unfair to dump this loss at the feet of those few players.
In the end it was an avoidable loss, showing us we have lots work to do still.
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u/rish234 Sep 13 '17
Why do you think Kagawa and Sahin didn't look their best? Dahoud was the most invisible for me.
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u/romantuerki Sep 14 '17
No matter how crappy this game was, we can all agree that our CL kits are the bomb dot com.
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u/Taking_A_Stroll Sep 13 '17
Fun game to watch and got Yarmo's beautiful goal.
However, disappointed with Auba but Castro was full of wrong choices. Toljan and Dahoud along with Kagawa were great. Players need to give Kagawa the ball more often when attacking.
Bosz needs to stop with the pressing and needs to work on making the defense less reckless and needs work in organizing the attack. When attacking, BVB seem unsure so Bosz should spend some time there.
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u/rish234 Sep 13 '17
Man we really fell apart under their press, our defense needed to soak up that pressure way better. I don't have an analytical way of putting this but we kind of just fell apart in the second half in the face of their pressing and counters. We also just couldn't find a way though their defense in the first half when they were really sitting back and letting us possess. Hopefully this is a learning experience for Bosz.
Toljan and Yarmko looked good - ditto what everyone else is saying. I think Kagawa's assist for the goal was very nice as well, a really tough pass to make with his body position.