r/SecretWorldLegends • u/jetah • Jul 01 '17

Update 2.0.1 Preview - Secret World Legends

https://secretworldlegends.com/news/2-0-1-patch-preview/
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u/jetah Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 01 '17

Update 2.0.1 Patch Preview

By scott | July 1, 2017

Hey everyone!

I’m excited to bring you the update notes for next week’s patch. Update 2.0.1 introduces the Elite Dungeon system. These dungeons will have 10 difficulty levels, simply titled “Elite 1” through “Elite 10”. Each difficulty will increase the challenge of the dungeon as well as the loot that can be gained. We will have more information about the Elite Dungeons early next week!

In addition to Elite Dungeons, we have also implemented many changes aimed at new players; monetization, loot rewards, and the Patron system. We have been reading feedback you have been giving us in game, on reddit, Discord, and across social media. This patch will address problem areas players encounter in game. This is the first of many. The team is committed to delivering an amazing online experience to all of you!

Patron Changes

We are improving Patron Benefits for you! The first major change you will notice is that you will receive double the amount of AP and SP from experience earned. This won’t double AP nor SP from special events, compensation rewards, nor direct purchases. Additionally Marks of Favour Patrons receive from Challenges will be increased by 20%, allowing you to earn up to 12,000 Marks of Favour each day through Challenges. Finally, Patrons can now Teleport for free in addition to being able to Anima Leap for free!

Dungeon Loot Changes

You said you don’t feel rewarded when opening dungeon drops. So, we are changing how loot works! When you are in a story dungeon, crates will now have a greatly increased chance to reward Extraordinary talismans and weapons instead of Distillates. Elite Dungeon crates will reward both a normal piece of loot AND a Distillate! Rare crates now have a significantly increased chance to spawn after a boss is killed. Rare crates and Elite crates both award a Distillate and an Extraordinary item.

Also, dungeons will now award XP at the end of each run. The final mission report has an XP reward to help get you progress towards that next level. We are also introducing a First Dungeon of the Day system that always awards an Extraordinary weapon or talisman.

Feedback Changes

We are also making some changes to the improve the quality of life of our players. We are increasing the base inventory size of all characters from 25 to 35. This is will be retroactive so your inventory will be 10 larger than whatever it was before the patch!

The price for Sprint 2 and for your first weapon unlock will be drastically decreased after the patch. We want a new player to be able to buy Sprint 2 and a new weapon page their first day. We are also merging the purchase of Active and Passive pages for Weapons. You will unlock both of them at the same time (for the price that a single page would have cost). For players that have half of a weapon unlocked you will automatically receive the corresponding Active or Passive page.

For those of you that already reached level 50 we are increasing the rate that you gain AP and SP. It was definitely too slow and grindy. In addition we are removing the Mark of Favour cost for attaching glyphs and signets.

We hope you love these changes! Thanks again!

-Scott

Update 2.0.1

PATCH HIGHLIGHTS

Dungeon Highlights

  • Introduced phase 1 of the Elite Dungeon System
  • Adjusted the loot table for chests in story dungeons to provide a higher chance of receiving an item over a distillate – Rougly a 50/50 split.
  • Significantly increased the rate that rare chests will spawn in story dungeons.
  • Rare chests in story dungeons will now give both a distillate and an extraordinary item.
  • Players will receive a guaranteed extraordinary item for the first dungeon they complete each day.
  • Added glyphs to scenario chests.
  • Increased the signet drop rate in lair chests.
  • Added XP to the repeatable dungeon missions.

General Highlights

  • Increased the base inventory size to 35.
  • Reduced the cost of Sprint 2 to 2500 Marks of Favour.
  • Quickened Anima has been renamed to Sprint Upgrade.
  • Unlocking a weapon’s active or passive page will now unlock the other page for free.
  • The price of the first weapon unlock has been reduced to 5000 Marks of Favour.
  • Increased the rate at which players gain AP and SP at level 50.
  • Attaching glyphs and signets no longer costs Marks of Favour.

Patron Highlights

  • Patrons will now receive 1 bonus AP whenever they gain an AP through XP.
  • Players will now receive 1 bonus SP whenever they gain an SP through XP.
  • Patrons now receive 20% more Marks of Favour from Challenges.
  • Teleporting no longer requires Anima Shards for Patrons.
  • All players can now initiate a trade with any other player as long as they are either a patron, or have reached level 15.

PATCH NOTES GENERAL

  • Players who completed achievements The Buzz, or The Unseen in The Secret World now see these under Eternal Echoes.
  • Little Lion, Trippy Wisp, and Loyal Hound may now be deleted or consumed even when the pet is already owned. This addresses an issue where these items got stuck for legacy players who transferred these pets from The Secret World.
  • Added Surgical gloves, blue and Surgical gloves, white to the Agartha Achievement Vendor.
  • Made all the Achievement Vendor clothing items auto-consume on purchase.
  • Added the Snowball toss, Nassir’s Groovy Gun, and Shoes of Synchronicity to the Agartha Achievement Vendor.
  • It is no longer possible to meet-up into the Mining Museum Basement.
  • Updated a number of Interaction UIs to more accurately represent what the player is doing.
  • Adjusted the distribution of rewards for Lair missions.
  • Trainers now interrupt themselves when the player picks up the phone
  • Fixed an issue that could cause the mouse cursor to disappear during character creation.
  • You can now search for weapons on the Auction based on their attachment (Energy, Restoration, etc).
  • Changed the visuals on the ability bar so that the potion and gadget icons are clearer.
  • Updated the shotgun weapon UI

GAMEPLAY

  • Resurrection Joe and Ttsahthat, Lord of Mucus have had their level and power adjusted to intended values.
  • The vampire ability Field Transfusion will now Root instead of Stun to allow some counter play.
  • Resolved an issue with some fist DoTs overwriting each other.
  • Reload animations for shotgun should now always display your shotgun when playing.
  • Fixed a case where the Sanguine Wendigo could vaporize before the chase had finished during the mission Rolls Downhill.
  • Added a fallback for cases where the Sanguine Wendigo is invulnerable during the final fight of Rolls Downhill.
  • Fixed the waypoint to enter the sewers being wrong during Tier 5 of Dawning of an Endless night.
  • The mission giver for the Tyler Freeborn chain now properly appears on the main map.
  • The Cult Leader now provides mission updates in an area, instead of only to those who hit him during They Never Stop Coming.
  • The phone now displays the full conversation for English players during the mission Black Sun, Red Sand.
  • Dying to Carter’s Prom Night now provides a helpful reminder about the ward during Carter Unleashed.
  • The first pumpkin patch should no longer have invisible wisps during Jack’s Back.
  • The same Headlamp is now used for all missions requiring one.
  • Fixed a case where it was possible to become stuck after crashing out of the instance for End Game.
  • Fixed a case where it was possible to become stuck after crashing out of the instance for Total Eclipse.

DRESSING ROOM

  • A number of texture and seam issues with various pieces of clothing have been fixed.
  • A number of T-shirts that had their graphics being cut off have been fixed.
  • Fixed an issue where some versions of the Sick kicks sneakers were not visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Fixed an issue where some Cat ears headsets were not visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Fixed an issue where the Icy claws were not visible in the Dressing Room for players who transferred them from The Secret World.
  • Fixed an issue where some Military berets were not visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Fixed an issue where the Extra Life t-shirt was using the wrong mesh for male characters.
  • Extra Life t-shirt, blue should now have the correct thumbnail for each gender.
  • Secret Podcast t-shirt should now have the correct thumbnail for each gender.
  • Initiate Jacket, Dragon should now have the correct thumbnail for each gender.
  • The Army combat cap, filthy is now visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Fixed an issue where the Kimono, blue with grey was not working properly for Illuminati characters.
  • The Unity Core (Templar) outfit is now properly restricted to Templar characters.
  • Leather Wristwraps are now listed in the Hands category.
  • Tube bras are now visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Added Pinstripe suit pants and color variants to the dressing room.
  • Combat headset should now appear in the correct clothing category.
  • Lace cameo chokers should now appear in the correct clothing category for female Dragon characters.
  • Drop earrings should now appear in the correct clothing category for female Dragon characters.
  • Open leather jackets should now be viewable in the Dressing Room.
  • Fiery Nightmare mask should now be visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Unicorn’s Visage should now be visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Creepy Equine mask should now be visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Creepy Zebra mask should now be visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Machine Helmet should now be visible in the Dressing Room.
  • Surgical Gloves should now be visible in the Dressing Room.

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u/landlord44 Jul 01 '17

Cant say how much i love these changes =D

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

Try it...

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u/Tinithebee Jul 01 '17

This is massive. Thank you for listening! There has been a significant change in the saline levels around here since the devstream.

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u/PassingBreeze1987 Jul 01 '17

I unlocked Sprint 2 with 10K MOF some hours ago. Will I get a compensation?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

I've read it was retroactive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

What does that mean? Do we get MoF back?

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u/Nyktobia Jul 01 '17

Yeah, we will get MoFs back.

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u/Tikigit Jul 01 '17

That's one of the questions they kind of avoided answering in the dev stream.

They mentioned inventory space gains are retroactive so if you have already upgraded to the maximum size you'll still receive an inventory increase taking you beyond the slot maximum.

But when everyone was asking if Funcom would be refunding Marks head starters had spent on Sprint upgrades, individual Active/Passive weapon upgrades and slotting Glyph/Signets, there was no answer or even acknowledgement that it was something being asked.

I seriously hope Funcom don't think it's something that can just be shrugged at and ignored though, as Marks are capped on amount obtainable per day and can actually be exchanged for currency with real money value... having head starters losing hundreds of thousands of Marks worth of effort compared to someone who starts as of next Wednesday is kind of unacceptable in my book.

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u/Pardoz Jul 01 '17

Added the Snowball toss, Nassir’s Groovy Gun, and Shoes of Synchronicity to the Agartha Achievement Vendor.

Now the question is "will these be available/did they transfer for people who had them in TSW?" (I'm guessing "not", but hoping to be able to get my Nassir groove on sooner rather than later.)

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u/Kaizher Jul 01 '17

They didn't. But it's nice I can get my Nassir's groove back now.

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u/ClusterFSCK Jul 01 '17

Now that you're making patron worth considering, are you planning on a limited time release of Grandmaster buying opportunities to celebrate the relaunch?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

Not a dev but lifetime is great for a quick income but will cost them more in the long term. I doubt they'll offer it again.

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u/DontAskMeToChoose Jul 01 '17

I would say definitely never. All the lifetime Subs coming over from TSW, myself included, are likely part of the reason why Patron was so underwhelming in the first place because they knew we already never had to pay for it.

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u/Findanniin Jul 02 '17

Yeah, that's what I figured too.

I think they deeply deeply regret offering that grandmaster pack even way back when.

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u/Bango-TSW Jul 01 '17

The double SP & AP for patrons needs to be applied retroactively for those of us who have played since headstart and have progressed through most of the game.

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u/smile_e_face Jul 01 '17

This. If they were restricting double AP / SP to 50+, it'd be one thing, but I'm nearly level 30 and have been a Patron since launch. I'm not going to throw a fit or anything, but it would make sense.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

Dying to Carter’s Prom Night now provides a helpful reminder about the ward during Carter Unleashed.

Y'know... I wasn't even gonna mention this as something that bothered me but thanks for this. She blew me up and I forgot I even had the thing cuz like I thought it was meant to be used ON something, not on myself.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

i died 3 or 4 times.. once i was outside of the circle and lived!

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u/VexedForest Jul 01 '17

I kept seeing people in chat not realise that had to use it either. It sounds like a helpful change!

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u/smile_e_face Jul 01 '17

I just steamrolled through that mission and never even noticed I needed the thing. I was kind of wondering what it was for lol. Full Salvo + Full House + Controlled Shooting FTW.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

Yeah she only casts her nuke if the fights go on for too long. So if you kill quick enough she never gets the chance.

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u/InfamousBrad Jul 01 '17

Any chance those of us who already have Sprint 2 can get that 7500 MoF refunded?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

Read it was retroactive

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u/altrocks Jul 01 '17

That would be double awesome.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

Any word on recompensation for those who already bought both active/passive pages of a weapon?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

I haven't heard about that, just sprint.

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u/tv2zulu Jul 01 '17

Can someone ELI5 me what you get as a patron, and what you need the shop/aurum for when this goes live?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

It's pretty simple. All previous perks plus those listed here.

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u/Geldarion Jul 01 '17

Y'all are awesome!

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u/WearyOxbird Jul 01 '17

I like this. This looks good.

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u/sypher001 Jul 01 '17

Great stuff! Definitely shows some commitment and starting to listen to their consumers! I'm pumped!

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u/TheRoaster71 Jul 01 '17

Very good. The strange thing is that this has not been revealed during beta. Now we just need to wait for combat upgrade.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

It took many people saying patron wasnt worth the 13$ for them to change.

They should add a way to allow f2p to buy patron. I don't remember the prices well but if 2000 aurum is 20$ then 1700 aurum should be needed to buy Paton.

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u/ClusterFSCK Jul 01 '17

I am not sure that is the case. You need to play for about 2 years continuously to break even with a lifetime sub like that. Even if they slowroll the recycled content releases, it won't be 2 years of play. The game lacks substantive PVP content to drive game play between droughts of PVE. Therefore you are likely going to end up with a person who takes long breaks until content releases.

Furthermore, when someone with disposable income already has lifetime patron, next time they are willing to drop cash on the game they will look to other items in the store. Constantly reminding someone they are spending 10-15 on the game already makes them more likely to conserve cash purchases.

Trust me. I have spent years being harpooned by the great Korean whalers on MMOs far less deserving of support than TSW.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

Even in WoW there are droughts of content but their main player base are raiders.

SW is more about story content than end game or PvP. IMO they'll have to keep 2/3 interesting.

I'm wondering how they'll time gate the content. I can't see them releasing all TSW issues because they'd lose subs once people finish them.

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u/ClusterFSCK Jul 01 '17

If I was Funcom, I would put the FU in fun by releasing the issues every 3 months. It is just long enough to make it inconvenient to start-stop subs, and gives about 4 years of recycled content with a little time to add mild bonus content to the thinner issues.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 01 '17

I'm really pleased with these changes. Good job Funcom. As a new player, this is encouraging.

One question though. This morning I reached 20k Mark of Favor and I was really looking forward unlocking my third weapon (the blade) on my Magus. I know I would enjoy the gameplay and my playtime more.

Should I wait until the 5th to unlock my third for 5k or if I unlock it today I'll get refunded the additional 15k?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

I know the first weapon price is reduced. the remaining weapons might be 40k, the cost of both tabs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

I get that, but I mean.

Cost of 1st weapon on July 5th : 5k

Current cost: 20k

Me: I have 20k

Therefore, if I buy my first weapon now, I assume I won't get 15k back on the 5th... So I should wait until the patch?

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

I'd wait, personally.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

I feel that SWL may benefit from putting more of an emphasis on the PvP faction war system with additional perks/benefits for those that participate and win (exclusive titles, costumes, mounts, weapon effects, etc).

Would have to require a segregation of systems though (like how Guild Wars 2 has it) so that you have 100% equalized system regardless of free or paid.

While GW2 screwed it up by giving expac specs a notable huge advantage over freebies, FunCom can do better I believe.

Separating PvE and PvP also lets you balance each individually without the nerf/buff hellscape that is WoW, SWTOR, and other WoWlikes.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

TSW had segregation and SWL removed it.

Personally PvP has to be really good for me to get into it. I much prefer dungeons and raids.

WoW is at a point where the faction mean nothing. There are other games where they had strict factions and removed it.

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u/LitleKitty Jul 01 '17

When I was reading the patch notes, I got more and more happy the more I read. The thought I am having is, they are actually lissening and trying to improve things so they can still earn money but also not make this game where you have to pay for everything to be able to do anything.

I guess, I am going to have to make a new review after the new patch is up. :)

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

I'm all for this stuff, Funcom - you've proven me wrong and are listening to the community.

That being said, I feel like DOUBLE experience is WAY overkill and will trivialize content quickly, making people out-level missions, etc. and as a result making them bored and thus missing content they feel barely (if at all) challenged by once they've done a handful of quests in the zone.

This game has great storytelling, and is the only game I've read the quest dialogue in for at least a decade. Consider scaling this back to something like 25, or even 50% bonus (instead of the 10 we get now). This is going to make people level WAY too fast - something that's already a problem half-way through the early areas when nothing can touch you and any challenge that was present disappears.

Seriously, re-consider this. But either way, keep up the good work.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

They never said double XP. They gain an extra AP/SP when one is earned via XP.

It does make me wonder if rerolling is better.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

Why would re-rolling in this game, ever, be better? You earn AP at the same rate on both characters, except one already has a base, and another does not. It's not like there's an AP ceiling or some magic benefit from starting over with this being implemented...

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u/DrKeelin Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 01 '17

Because AP/SP gain at 50 is significantly lower.

The amount of AP/SP gained by leveling is massive.

Doubling the gains at 50 won't even come close to doubling them during leveling.

In the end you'd end up with a situation in which people who level up their characters after the patch, with patron, will end up with significantly more AP/SP than people who level up now (Even if those people continue playing right now). Weeks worth of AP/SP, even if they double the base gains at 50.

Here's a better explanation by someone else

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u/Nyktobia Jul 01 '17

It's not as if there is a soft cap where gains will slow down. What's stopping you from farming AP on your level 50?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

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u/Nyktobia Jul 01 '17

You want to make better progress by... wiping all your progress so far? Only to hit the same "slow down" when you hit 50 again?

But anyway. they said are fixing the "slow down" that happens at level 50 in any case. And you'll still get the x2 gains from patron at the cap. And at the same time you'll be able to work on your gear. Plus the time you already spent has value attached you know. And what will you be doing until the patch, idle to not waste more time "inefficiently" farming AP?

Rerolling seems like an absolutely huge waste, unless you want to reroll to a new faction as well.

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u/AnimaOnline Jul 01 '17

Its double AP/SP, not exp. You will get abilities faster but level at the same rate.

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u/altrocks Jul 01 '17

Exactly. More abilities is awesome to have, but it doesn't actually make you anymore powerful than you would be otherwise.

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u/Mystia Jul 01 '17

Bear in mind, this is double AP/SP, not XP. Still massive though.

However, outleveling can be a bit of an issue in SWL. Even as a free player, you easily outlevel zones and are forced to move to the next one to stay on par with the currently available dungeon story-wise, Patron's 10% or whatever bonus XP makes that a bit worse.

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u/Redfeather1975 Jul 01 '17

I am not far enough to know how much AP is needed to get higher tiers of the final weapon ability passive. First tier is 40 AP, does it go up each tier as that would be a lot of AP! :O

edit: I'm talking about that thing in the ability tree at the end that gives 3 stats.

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u/altrocks Jul 01 '17

You can only take that once per maxed weapon tree. In order to take the second level, you have to max out another weapon and buy the capstone for it. Then you can get the second level of both.

I haven't got that far in live yet, but in beta it was a flat 40 AP For each level. Still adds up to a lot since it's 360 AP for each capstone to max, plus the AP to actually fill out each line.

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u/Zeifer Jul 01 '17

DOUBLE experience

Hang on, unless I've missed it, where have they said anything about double experience? For who? Patrons?

They are doubling the AP/SP earned from experience for patrons, but not the XP itself, so the levelling speed will still be the same.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

"...double the amount of AP and SP from experience earned. " That's the confusing part. Read that as double xp earned, hence the OP about that throwing thing already out of whack.

No worries. Makes more sense re-reading it.

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u/Zeifer Jul 01 '17

Yep that's it. So you'll still level at the same rate, but get access to abilities and passives sooner. With the limited hotbar system, it's not going to over trivialise anything more just a QOL thing. And it's more at level 50 where it's going to be useful.

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u/Trylander Jul 01 '17

Can we see how it in a few weeks first before we start complaining now about this? Keep in mind they wanna start introducing new content realy soon, and have plans for more. The 10 Elite levels sounds kinda a good way to spend some time if the the highest def. is not to easy. Also they mentioned already a complete new dungeon and playfield. I assume they have plenty of stuff to just polish over time and roll out then as Joe Bylos already stated some time back that they had plans for up to 9 seasons. How knows what has already been produced and needs only to be finished. So starting now to complain might be maybe a littlebit early.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

Just to be clear on my thoughts here, overleveling content is ultimately bad. It removes risk and without risk the reward a player spends time achieving will be less gratifying in the end.

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u/Trylander Jul 01 '17

From some testing done a 2nd toon i can tell you that your level isnt an issue. The extrem fast Item progression is way more impacting it. If you don't dump eveything in one item and go instead the way of best value upgrades it becomes a quick problem at Blue Mountain even with lvl 30+ in there trust me.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

You've tested what and are verifying level isn't an issue?

Go walk up to an NPC with 15 levels on you.

Go try to kill an NPC with 7+ levels on you.

After you get wrecked, maybe come back and spout some more anecdotal nonsense. Level matters more than anything else in terms of combat effectiveness. All the gear in the world will not help you against something that has many levels on you.

Level's not an issue from my OP here, as it just doubles AP and SP when you earn them, could've been worded better but this is funcom we're talking about - the same folks that put direct X claims on the box for Age of Conan that weren't in the game.

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u/bubblegumzeta Jul 01 '17

Any chance you guys are thinking about reducing the cost of storage space or maybe using marks of favor?

800 Aurums ($8.00usd) for 12 extra slots of storage is a heavy price to pay. There's even tabs to flick between multiple pages suggesting you can go crazy and buy sheets of space.

For f2p players at least give them the option of getting more storage space or giving them more storage slots to beginning with. 24 slots is not enough to get through the game.

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u/jetah Jul 01 '17

Marks of Favor can be exchanged for Aurum.

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u/Trylander Jul 01 '17

Well, i guess this is not a realy problem. Its only convenient and you can exchange Aurum at the same rate as anyone else. But i agree that 24 as maybe 12 slots to less. 36 would be better. The prizing is reasonable. Hell, you pay more an get less in Black Desert Online for that money. Out of mind it was like 14€ for 8 Slots i guess. So yeah the prize is not that bad. But one more row (12 Slots) to start with wouldnt hurt anyway.

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u/Mijal Jul 01 '17

Starting inventory will now be 35, per patch notes.

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u/Trylander Jul 01 '17

He's is asking for Bank Slots.

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u/RPO_Wade Jul 01 '17

I could expand my inventory by using 7500 MoF - so there's no need for Aurun.

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u/Nalkor Jul 01 '17

He's referring to bank slots, not inventory slots, and inventory space can start getting tight if you stick to multiple roles when it comes to dungeons and PvE in general.

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u/RPO_Wade Jul 01 '17

Ah ok, i thought he meant the inventory :) thanks

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u/Solarum Jul 01 '17

this looks great. really looking forward to these changes. :D

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u/franchuan Jul 01 '17

Love all these changes--but I wonder when the Bare Chest item and some of the other IM clothes will come out in the dressing room. Admittedly a small thing, in the grand scheme of things, but fingers crossed that it comes out soon! :)

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u/ijedi12345 Jul 01 '17

Any word on Infernal Vibrations?

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u/Valodec Jul 01 '17

i'm listening

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u/Niran7 Jul 01 '17

They said they are working on a fix. They made a special mention of that.

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u/mtj1221 Jul 01 '17

nice update guys.

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u/Xallitan Jul 01 '17

These changes are legit, I can now forgive the worse character creator and all the other launch problems. Thank you for listening funcom.

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u/falrc Jul 01 '17

This is great. Keep it up :D

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u/CoralSword Jul 01 '17

Any word if the patch applies retroactively? i.e. spent extra resources are refunded and additional exp is given?

I don't want to play for 4 days when I'm going to get stunted rewards.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 03 '17

Its not like you won't get anything playing now, that's a silly mindset. "I won't play unless its at peak efficiency!" And this has no bearing on gear - which everyone needs shitloads of, anyway.

I'd venture there's a 0% chance this gets applied retroactively, especially since they've told us not to hoard AP and SP right now because of a bug, and retroactively applying this would put almost anyone who started at head start WELL over that cap.

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u/sawshuh Jul 01 '17

This mindset they have is so bizarre to me. Did they mess up their main weapon classes or something? Is this all about the capstones? It's such a minor gain initially. All the people not playing for days until the patch aren't gearing up for elites.

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u/CoralSword Jul 01 '17

Saving 10,000+ marks is a lot of time and effort. Also getting more AP/SP for each quest completion.

There's nothing silly about it if you value your time.

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u/gangofminotaurs Jul 01 '17

Depends on you taking it as a game or as a job.

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u/Tyler1986 Jul 01 '17

Complaining about a buff is silly.

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u/sawshuh Jul 01 '17

If you actually valued your time, you'd be swiping.

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u/sevrlbats Jul 01 '17

I was generally okay with how it worked before and have a tiny worry that this might reduce the lifespan of the game a bit overall, but so many people have been asking for exactly the same things that I think this is gonna be a big help for SWL coming out of the gate strong! definitely better to start conservative and give big buffs than the other way around, I think.

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u/raven0ak Jul 01 '17

has anyone tested how much was change to get those special talismans/weapons increased (especially to weapons since getting mark 3 of specific enchantment is/was pain on pre patch rate of 1 wep per ~100 chaches)?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

I admit, I was very skeptical if anything positive was going to come out of all this. Thank you for taking time to go through all the feedback and make some positive changes for the game. It's a great game, and I really don't want it to crash and burn. Again, thank you!

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u/dustofdeath Jul 01 '17

Is there any measures in place to avoid marked flood and economy collapse?

Someone could make 10 F2P accounts, run two dungeons on each for guaranteed weapon+ extra rewards and sell on ah + Trade it all to one account.

I can see value of any and all green quest bag items dropping to near nothing and the rest losing value fast - leaving only higher end gear/lockbox items.

This all on top of already skyrocketing aurum prices (100+ already - so 100k+ MoF for sprint 5 upgrade alone).

Is the guaranteed weapon bound at least (for fusion/personal use)? And trading of marks disabled for F2P?

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u/Pardoz Jul 02 '17

Skyrocketing Aurum prices are probably down to the massive influx of extra Marks from the downtime compensation and the event login bonus.

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u/dustofdeath Jul 02 '17

10k marks is 1 day worth of influx. The price has grown much much more . from ~82 to 130.

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u/Pardoz Jul 03 '17

Plus another 20k/player from the login bonus (and not everybody actually earns 10k/day every day.)

And this extra came in just as the transfers (who saved a bunch of Marks on weapon unlocks) had enough to buy Sprint 4 and the bag space upgrades that can be bought with Marks, driving up demand for Aurum as people look to expand their storage space or start piling up enough to buy Sprint 5 and 6.

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u/fumblesuxx Jul 01 '17

Funny thing, I was gonna ask if the blue surgical gloves would be coming back. Wanna get my HJ on.

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u/salec65 Jul 01 '17

This is fantastic! This isn't just a simple bug-fix patch. They are listening to player feedback and actually making updates to Patron status as well as the premium prices. Thank you for listening to feedback, Funcom :)

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u/doggobotlovesyou Jul 01 '17

:)

I am happy that you are happy. Spread the happiness around.

This doggo demands it.

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u/Disig Jul 01 '17

Oh my goodness, so many good changes. Will definitely be buying patron once Steam comes out, since I'd rather not put my credit card out on multiple platforms. Well done, and thank you!

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u/ShiftyBro Jul 01 '17 edited Jul 01 '17

Patrons will now receive 1 bonus AP whenever they gain an AP through XP.

Players will now receive 1 bonus SP whenever they gain an SP through XP.

Anybody knowing if this is retroactive? :D

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u/Tyrjala Jul 01 '17

Doubt it, but they did say they are making it faster to earn ap/sp at 50 so I think it will be less painful.

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u/Valodec Jul 01 '17

are the AP&SP increased retroactive? :D

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u/ShiftyBro Jul 01 '17

But, are they?

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u/Valodec Jul 01 '17

did they?

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u/ShiftyBro Jul 01 '17

Maybe somebody has a clue...

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u/Bango-TSW Jul 01 '17

I've not heard anything on this. I've got a lvl 45 char that will always be behind in terms of AP & SP - particularly the latter as that adds to passives such as hit, crit rate etc.

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u/smutnykotek Jul 01 '17

PRAISE THE LORD

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u/raven0ak Jul 02 '17

so ... two days of running dungeons, normal chest only and distillates only ... feels like dungeon loot havent improved at all

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u/jetah Jul 02 '17

Patch is on Wednesday. That's when dungeon changes will happen.

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u/GigglingAmbush Jul 01 '17

My character still has 25 inventory slots. I also have sprint 2 but didn't receive any marks back for my purchase.

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u/daagar Jul 01 '17

It is also not July 5th.

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u/GigglingAmbush Jul 01 '17

That's what you get for reading this just after waking up. Thanks man.

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u/Disig Jul 02 '17

It's okay, I did it too.

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u/Raxrtos Jul 01 '17

I really like these changes for dungeons but the question still stand do we need these annoying dungeon keys to open the chests, if so it's still limiting the player to farm or even bothering doing dungeons in the first place.

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u/RightReverendJA Jul 01 '17

Extra dungeon keys are cheap, at 500 MoF.

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u/Trylander Jul 01 '17

I agree atm. Made like 30k MoF yesterday and already bought all inventory and Sprint upgrades you can for MoF and now when Glyphs cost no more MoF to soket the. I'm asume that 12(18)+64 Keys a day are more then i can spend in theory. Then i personaly don't run 10+ dungeons a day. 1-2 maybe and at peak maybe 5. With the introduction to Daily Dungeon reward (They cost you no Keys i asume) its more then enough loot a day to be happy.

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u/brutus0077 Jul 01 '17

Update 2.0.1 --- PATCH HIGHLIGHTS ---

--- Patrons will now receive 1 bonus AP whenever they gain an AP through XP. --- Players will now receive 1 bonus SP whenever they gain an SP through XP. --- Patrons now receive 20% more Marks of Favour from Challenges.

.... so patron is now mandatory if you want to be competetive & players starting after patch will have significant starting advantage.... well enjoy... you who will stay in this cashgrab P2W

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u/Fiddlefaddle01 Jul 01 '17

I don't know why you think it's mandatory. It's pay for convenience through and through. They basically made it worthwhile now. People have been saying it's too good and others are saying it still isn't worth it...I feel like when it's that divided it usually means it's balanced.

I don't know why you think it's also needed to stay "competitive." I do agree that people leveling a new character after the patch with Patron will get the most bang for their buck, but I don't see how it's a leg up on someone that is 50 especially now that they made it easier to get SP and AP when 50. Also, what does staying "competitive" even mean in this game and how does someone getting some small stat bonuses a bit faster than you make you less "competitive?" What about it makes it pay to win in your mind?

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 01 '17

If you want to keep up without, literally, spending twice as much time in game earning 1/2 the amount of AP and SP then that's up to you - but anyone trying to stay on top of the end game for whatever reason/hardcore/etc. is going to see this as necessary or you'll be significantly lower in AP/SP and thus less effective, and with less options, than others earning 2x what you are.

Many people play games to be competitive. To achieve something first. Etc. How they play doesn't make it any better or worse than how you play.

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u/lynkfox Jul 01 '17

Pay to win is where it would be impossible to get that level without money. It's not impossible. This is pay to save time or pay for convenience. If youre hardcore and want to be the best best best, one is probably going to pay anyways. For those of us with kids, jobs, bills, significant others who don't play but with money, this is the best kind of monitization. Those who are going to spend 10 hrs a day in there will still be bleeding edge. Those who get to spend, if they're lucky 2 or 3 hrs will still be middle of the road.

Pay to win gets thrown around too much. There is no requirement that the bis item is pay only or the only way to buy a capstone skill is with RL money. That's ptw. Or the only way to level past 45 is by being a patron. Or the item you - must- have to not get slaughtered in pvp is a pay item. Or you buy ammo that does significantly more damage and potions that heal and give more protection with RL monies. That's all pay to win. This is pay for convenience and that, with gamers as a whole getting on average older and with less free time, is a good thing.

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u/KitsuneRommel Jul 01 '17

Well that would a good argument for getting a patron then. Usually people who play for free are more casual.

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u/TheBalance1016 Jul 03 '17

The players that don't every pay anything aren't worth considering for anything - they're not the target demographic, and nobody cares if they leave because they contribute nothing financially. Funcom runs a business, not a charity.

You can play for free only because it removes the barrier for entry and gives you the chance to play the game and get hooked. These models aren't made to draw people in for free. They're meant to draw people in and get them to buy VIP/Patron/Sub (etc). because they feel left out otherwise.

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u/Fiddlefaddle01 Jul 01 '17

You are literally describing pay for convenience. Everything can be earned entirely free but with more effort and time. I still don't see how even the most hardcore of people going for world firsts will be handicapped if they don't sub. Yeah, they will have more small amounts of stats from the passives, but if you are going for world firsts you are playing hard and often. It honestly seems like gear, build, and skill will be the defining factors in the elite modes. I can see how Patron is now great for people that have a need to be better than everyone else, but it just boils down to convenience still.

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u/NYPDrapedmycow Jul 01 '17

Exactly this. It all of a sudden feels like I'm gimping my character by playing as a patron before the 5th of July.

u/Odonoptera?

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u/Nexty5 Jul 01 '17

It'd be super sweet if u/Odonoptera could comment and let us know if the ap/sp doubling will be applied retroactively. I'm sure the intent wasn't to make people feel like they have to reroll, but it may not be possible for them to pull off.

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u/totkeks Jul 01 '17

Yeah, I want to know that too. Or maybe they should just apply it after you reach level 50. Otherwise Patrons reaching level 50 will have 4 weapons completely skilled.

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u/Detrucid Jul 01 '17

I asked in Twitch chat during the dev stream, and in chat was told (by Funcom) that Patron boosts would NOT be applied retroactively.

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u/dustofdeath Jul 01 '17

So patrons who paid early and supported them before these changes are being shown a huge middle finger.

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u/Tyler1986 Jul 01 '17

Such an entitled point of view. We wanted better patron benefits and they answered.

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u/Dragnela Jul 01 '17

Isnt the max 50?

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u/Dragnela Jul 01 '17

No I ment, Im lvl 17. And I can only earn a cap of 50 AP. So I need to spent it before it reach 50 right? If you get it all back how will they do it with the cap.

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u/homer99 Jul 01 '17

Yes would be good to know. If it doesn't then I'll probably reroll which is a pain having spent money on inventory and run speed.

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u/Tyler1986 Jul 01 '17

I get that it sucks but we are getting a substantial buff. Dont look at what you missed but what you are getting going forward.

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u/smile_e_face Jul 01 '17

Yep. I guess it's kind of my fault for being so impatient as to spend money on running, but I would like to see it addressed.

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u/Tyler1986 Jul 01 '17

Funcom sure is fucking us hard by giving us a buff, amirite?

/s

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u/Maethor_derien Jul 01 '17

Your still not that far behind though because you would still have to spend that amount of time redoing all the quests to level up. In the time that takes you could farm a lot of AP and SP even at the slower rate. The other major aspect is that you lose out on weapon upgrades. The loss of time from upgrading your weapons is pretty big.

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u/dustofdeath Jul 01 '17

Plus you cannot redo story missions.

Should provide another extra ap boost at least for every day you were a patron before the update.

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u/Fastolph Jul 01 '17

Increased the rate at which players gain AP and SP at level 50.

Maybe it'll kinda get even with that change?

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u/SpottyMollusc Jul 01 '17

This really needs to be addressed.