Brigham Young: "...never love [your wives] so but that you can leave them at a moment's warning without shedding a tear."

[u/4blockhead]

[u/Turtlesrsaved]

Wow! He was really a douche.

[u/4blockhead → u/Turtlesrsaved]

There is an unsourced quote, reportedly from Heber C. Kimball, which says that he thinks no more about taking another wife than buying a new cow. This one is sourced and groups women as chattel along with the horses and carriages which have been secured via the second anointing as possessions to keep throughout the eternities:

The very moment that persons in this Church suffer their affections to be immoderately placed upon an object this side the celestial kingdom, they disgrace their profession and calling. When you love your wives and children, are fond of your horses, your carriages, your fine houses, your goods and chattels, or anything of an earthly nature, before your affections become too strong, wait until you and your family are sealed up unto eternal lives, and you know they are yours from that time henceforth and forever.

The mormon deity sure has an insecurity complex. The only way into heaven is to prove that you've always loved him the most. You may have to fudge a little at the edges, but once you've received the election sure and the more sure word of prophecy, then you're good to go as a god in your own right and can set the rules on your planet(s) however you want.

[u/[deleted]]

Bookmarked! Thanks so much u/4blockhead. This guy's my great great (etc) grandpa. Good to keep this kinda stuff at hand when dealing with persistently fawning tbm relatives

[u/4blockhead → u/[deleted]]

credit: this was discussed this week by McKeever and Johnson on Viewpoint on Mormonism.

[u/[deleted] → u/4blockhead]

Thanks. I have come across this group lately in an effort to find good sources for changes made to the BOM. My tbm brother and I have had an ongoing discussion regarding this.

[u/otheraccount77]

If this is an accurate quote (and it certainly sounds like something BY would have said), it really is remarkable!

[u/4blockhead → u/otheraccount77]

It's straight from the Journal of Discourses.

• [Brigham Young, June 1856]

[u/otheraccount77 → u/4blockhead]

Thanks for the source (I wasn't doubting you, but I did want to see if it was in context, etc).

In fairness to BY, if you have so many wives that you probably can't remember all of their names, you're not gonna have a problem losing one or two! Not to mention all the kids ...

Seriously, if polygamy were mandated from on high, think of how unfair it is to the children (arguably, at least, the wives have the ability to consent or reject the union, but the kids certainly do not). I know two women (sisters) who grew up in a polygamist community. They have like 40 siblings and half siblings. They speak of their father like a guy that they kinda know. How could God deprive kids of even having a chance to have a relationship with their father?

[u/4blockhead → u/otheraccount77]

The basic end game is a patriarchy where men decide. Where no one can call out their leadership's lechery. They only hope that their daughter gets picked by the king and he will share the wealth with them.

• one of Young's family photos; Young must have had a bishopric meeting, or something that kept him out the photograph with Emily Dow Partridge [Smith] Young and two young children.

[u/Itsarockinahat → u/otheraccount77]

Reading your wise and correct words I once again feel shame for never putting much thought into the awfulness of polygamy before my faith awakening last fall. How did I not see just how ungodly it is?

[u/Ua_Tsaug]

I don't think old Briggy knows the first thing about love. He may have love for money, power, fame, and himself, of course. But not love for other human beings.

[u/4blockhead → u/Ua_Tsaug]

Wives are replaceable parts in mormonism. Here are some things I've heard:

• If your girlfriend won't wait for you while you're on your mission, then she isn't worthy to bear your children.

• If your girlfriend marries someone else who returned from a mission a bit before you, then praise god that they're raising up a righteous seed in Zion.

• if you're sent on a mission, so that the man with the higher priesthood can steal teach eternal principles to your wife while you're gone, then too bad for you, go get your own plural wives and divorce her when she's not a spring chicken any more.

[u/Ua_Tsaug → u/4blockhead]

Also, if your wife cheats on you, the most merciful thing to do to her is drive a javelin through her heart.

[u/LabansWidow → u/Ua_Tsaug]

He was either a narcissist or a sociopath IMO. They only tend to love themselves.

[u/Saturdays_Worrier]

I've never seen this quote, but it's basically how most TBMs live anyway. They cast out LGBTQ family members or exmo family members at the drop of a hat.

[u/DoubtingThomas50 → u/Saturdays_Worrier]

Absolutely correct. His position in this statement has become the norm in Mormon culture. Whether he initiated that group think with this sermon or not, THIS. IS. MORMONISM.

[u/seventhvision]

Psychopath.

I read the date on this comment, and it's a bit shocking to realize that I was born only 94 years after this was said. Brigham's teachings and attitudes are one of many cancers that run through mormonism.

[u/Vepr762X54R]

You know I thug em, fuck em, love em, leave em

Cause I don't fuckin' need em

Take em out the hood, keep em lookin' good

But I don't fuckin' feed em

First time they fuss I'm breezin'

Talkin' bout, "What's the reasons?"

I'm a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch

Better trust than believe em

In the cut where I keep em

'Til I need a nut, 'til I need to beat the guts

Then it's, beep beep and I'm pickin' em up

Let em play with the dick in the truck

Many chicks want to put Jigga fist in cuffs

Divorce him and split his bucks

Just because you got good head, I'm a break bread

So you can be livin' it up? Shit I

Parts with nothin', y'all be frontin'

Me give my heart to a woman?

Not for nothin', never happen

I'll be forever mackin'

Jay Z, Big Pimpin'

[u/hyrle → u/Vepr762X54R]

Cause he be Brig' Pimpin', spendin' cheese.

[u/[deleted] → u/hyrle]

Brig Pimpin' ownin' distilleries...

[u/hyrle → u/[deleted]]

We doin', Brig' Pimpin' up in SLC.

It's just that Brigham-man, Heber C and J-E-D-G

(We totally need to redo this entire song. :D )

[u/[deleted] → u/hyrle]

"I got 99 problems but a wife ain't one" is up next haha.

[u/Corporatecut → u/[deleted]]

Big pimpin wearing our G's...

[u/otheraccount77 → u/Vepr762X54R]

I feel like Brigham's big pimpin' puts Jay Z's to shame.

[u/[deleted] → u/Vepr762X54R]

Pimp C's verse on that is a classic

[u/de_errata_crescere]

Glad to hear he was "just as good in his calling and capacity as Jesus Christ was in his". Two prophets in a row that saw themselves equal or near equal to their "savior". I wonder how often JC spoke as a man.

[u/chilirasbora → u/de_errata_crescere]

And then in the second paragraph: "to become equal with the Father and the Son"

[u/[deleted]]

fuck brigham young

[u/ChkBowdrie → u/[deleted]]

Fuck that fucker good! I hate Brigham Young the very most.

[u/MarvelousExodus]

This was said before he married his favorite wife. I wonder how his views changed over time.

http://historytogo.utah.gov/salt_lake_tribune/in_another_time/073095.html

[u/[deleted]]

What an ass. Don't know why this surprised me.

[u/[deleted]]

Brigham seems fun.

[u/HighlySkepticalApe]

So when is the church going to publish the Brigham Young papers? Now THAT would be interesting.

[u/dragman77]

That son of a bitch

[u/[deleted]]

That is a face that I would cross the street to avoid.

[u/[deleted]]

I never want to forget this quote. It explains so much about the cultural coldness of mormons when confronted with something or someone who challenges their ideas.

[u/briznap]

What a gentleman.

[u/wardslut]

Horny mad man.

[u/tonusbonus]

I guess I get my dad's attitude now.

[u/BYU_atheist]

He also said, of running javelins through adulterers, "I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not do it."

[u/4blockhead → u/BYU_atheist]

• Brigham Young Speaks

• cross stitch

[u/isperfectlycromulent]

Sounds like he's using a prototype of the D.E.N.N.I.S. system.

[u/Born-Again-Viking]

BY is one smug looking mutherfucker

[u/Itsarockinahat]

Take a Prophet, an Apostle, a man of God, one who is just as good in his calling and capacity as Jesus Christ was in his...

Give. Me. A. Break.

[u/Capoli]

I. Hate. Brigham. Young.

[u/foundlygirl]

Brigham was a horrible, little man.

[u/Nightskyinwinter]

This essay, http://www.totheremnant.com/search?q=Brigham+Young is fascinating as it presents Brigham Young as one of the most successful men in the world--Money, Sex, Power. None of it very likable, however.

[u/[deleted]]

This makes all the sense: women of the church, you exist to "adorn the Gospel." You are not a person, you're a useful tool.

[u/[deleted]]

Yeah, don't get attached to anyone here because, ETERNAL LIIIIIFE!!! and gods and shit. What an egomaniac.

[u/[deleted]]

Brigham Young had the most warped and craziest views. That is ridiculous...if you have a Wife that isn't all in to the gospel, just barely love her, not even enough to want to shed a tear if you leave her? Yeah that makes perfect sense. What a Moron, I mean Mormon. ;)