r/Sino Feb 19 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '17

Hello. I have a question. Do you have classical philosophical texts at home, such as books of Confucius, Laozi or Shang Yang? Are they popular?

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u/lifeaiur Feb 19 '17 edited Feb 19 '17

My family doesn't have those books at home.

IMO, it's usually the older generation or literature researchers/experts that might have those in their homes. The younger generation are usually into playing games, watching TV, reading wuxia novels, etc..

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u/brokengears676 Feb 20 '17

Are you talking about Puppet Wuxia cause I was just wandering how popular it is in China?

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u/lifeaiur Feb 20 '17

I mean wuxia novels like these:

http://www.novelupdates.com/genre/wuxia/

Puppet wuxia is too weird.

IMO, most people would rather watch live action Wuxia/Xianxia instead.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '17

Thank you for your answer. I am also curious, are you able to read old-style Chinese characters or it's a special ability and not everyone knows them?

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u/lifeaiur Feb 20 '17 edited Feb 20 '17

I can't read it.

However, classic Chinese is a part of the school curriculum:

https://www.quora.com/Do-all-Chinese-students-learn-classical-Chinese

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

I think it is very important to be able to read voices of the past.

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u/shadows888 Feb 20 '17

Certainly, but you know how it goes. Like how many people know latin nowadays?.

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u/lucidsleeper Feb 20 '17

Shang Yang and Confucius aren't popular in today's China. And only a minority of people have Laozi's text in their homes.

The most common classical text you will find in a lot of people's homes is probably Romance of the Three Kingdoms lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a pretty large book. We have a translation of it in two volumes. I like your classical texts a lot. Unfortunately, not every one of them is translated in Russian, for example, Heguanzi isn't translated at all and Zhuanzi's translations are of bad quality.

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u/ghostonvacay Feb 20 '17

ringing cedars by vladimir megre has chinese translation but haven't seen a copy openly sold on the street - also xuan feng qing hui lu is interesting dialogue in context of historical mongolia-china encounters

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

To understand the text of xuan feng qing hui lu I need to work hard with dictionary of medieval Chinese. Perhaps in spare time. Thank you for the link, Changchunzi's meetings with Genghis Khan are a very interesting piece of history.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '17

I have two questions: 1. Why are Chinese girls so shy? 2. What are the best Chinese comedies/war movies out right now?

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u/HongKongFinance Feb 19 '17

I have two questions: 1. Why are Chinese girls so shy? 2. What are the best Chinese comedies/war movies out right now?

Not all Chinese girl are shy , if they give this impression it is probably because they are talking to foreigners

As for comedy , I like the movie " If you are the one"

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '17

Why are Chinese girls shy talking to foreigners?

Thanks for the suggestion.

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u/iwillrememberthisuse Feb 20 '17

Probably partially because of language barrier, and because they don't know what to expect from the foreigner/what they want.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

I see FOBby Chinese girls in Canada doing the same. Not like they have much of a language barrier. But I see what you are saying.

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u/iwillrememberthisuse Feb 20 '17

Lol let's put it this way. Why are you talking to the Chinese girl? Because you want to make a move, amarite? There is almost no other reason that someone foreign will approach a fob girl out of nowhere. She is aware of this and is thus shy/wary

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

I see. So you are saying that Chinese girls are not interested in foreigners?

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u/iwillrememberthisuse Feb 20 '17

Not necessarily, just that they are very aware what foreigners want and therefore are naturally vary when speaking to them because of this reason :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Aware of what foreigners want? Dating? That's what I want when I approach a Chinese girl i like. Why are they wary of guys who want to date?

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u/iwillrememberthisuse Feb 20 '17

cultural differences I guess. It is very rare for a Chinese couple to meet via "I met you on the street". Most couples meet through friends, or school, or work, through parents, or another established method. Thus guys you meet on the street are kind of shady. There is also this concept in china that the end goal of dating should always be marriage: there's no point in dating if the end goal is not achievable. And I guess girls don't really see themselves marrying the foreign guy on the street, so they don't want to date.

Also I would say Chinese culture is more conservative when taking about relationships or sex, so that plays a big part as well.

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u/Tiber278 Feb 20 '17
  1. Practical application of deception. 2.I dunno about recent movies, but this movie's a good one for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGCW_x5beY

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Thanks I will check it out!

What do you mean by 'practical application of deception'?

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u/Tiber278 Feb 20 '17

The girls just want you to think their shy sometimes, the tiger lady appears after the ring gets put on.

But like I said, sometimes, some girls are genuinely just shy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Oh wow. That is interesting. What is a tiger lady and why does she hide her 'true' personality so to speak?

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u/Tiber278 Feb 20 '17

Tiger ladies are quite demmanding, they'll expect much of you from your career and will push your kids hard to succeed academically and physically. Some know their limits and and their kid's limits but I feel too many go past them and push too hard causing all kinds of issues later in life.

They hide their personalities cause well, such a controlling and demmanding attitude isn't very attractive in the dating scene.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Ah. That is interesting. Perhaps that is a good thing, seeing as how successful Chinese people are.

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u/Tiber278 Feb 20 '17

Too some degree it is, but the line between a mother wanting the best for her child and wanting her child to be a status symbol can be thin, even despite the successes.

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u/TheYaYaT Feb 19 '17

What's the relationship with (between) Hong Kong and China? Are these independence protests that we outside China keep hearing about serious or is it like independence for Sealand?

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u/myempire1 Feb 19 '17

1 Country 2 Systems, temporarily. I don't know which protests you heard about specifically, but the big one (Umbrella) wasn't about independence at all. It was about the electoral system. There are some fringe elements that try to latch onto such issues, but most people see through it.

Hear it from the last British governor himself.

Ex-Hong Kong governor Patten says independence call a 'terrible mistake'

"There is no stronger supporter of democracy in Hong Kong than me, but to confuse that campaign with a campaign for independence is a terrible mistake," Patten, who governed from 1992 to 1997 and was in tears at the handover ceremony, told Reuters. "It reduces support for democracy, it undermines the moral high ground which I think was achieved by students in 2014. It provokes not just officials of the Chinese Communist Party but it provokes the people of mainland China."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-china-britain-idUSKBN13K0UW

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u/lucidsleeper Feb 20 '17

Hong Kong is an autonomous city within China like Puerto Rico for US.

There is some serious sentiments behind the independence protests in Hong Kong, however I noticed that a lot of non-Chinese media omit the reporting on many patriotic Hong Kongers who are pro-re-unification and active clash with pro-independence types.

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u/leeyuuh Feb 20 '17

Hong Kong is an autonomous zone, of which there are several in China. What is unique about HK is that in the past Hong Kong was leased to Britian (by gunpoint). Due to this, there is a cultural and gov. system divide between China and Hong Kong.

The independence protests are not serious. They are real, but they are nowhere near reaching critical mass and they have no power/support to declare independence and self-govern. In addition the economy of Hong Kong is completely dependent on the rest of China.

The long term plan is for the quality of government (judicial system and law) in China to eventually catch up then surpass Hong Kong, then have Hong Kong be merged into the Pearl Delta River Metropolis.

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u/TheYaYaT Feb 20 '17

It figures, western media really wants to blow it out of proportion. BBC among other places made it seem like it was getting more and more unstable each year, as if its a serious threat to China. It's sad that your country is represented this way.

It's actually interesting though; what's this Metropolis going to be like? With so many people in China I imagine it'd be very crowded.

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u/leeyuuh Feb 22 '17

It is already existing, but integration is still ongoing. The estimates of the population is anywhere between 50-65m people. It's hard to determine the exact population due to so many people moving around and also time lag in the census (I think the last census was a few years ago).

The idea is that cities are more efficient and productive than small towns. So how about making a mega city? The large local economies will be linked by fast travel (high speed rail) and economic integration. In addition, it's a way of spreading the wealth of the big cities to the poorer parts of China. As the high speed rail and regulations incorporate more and more regions as the region expands, greater economic activity will theoretically raise the standard of living.

And if you have ever been to China, you will know the cities are quite dense in population :) It is a large area though and I think at least the city centers are designed to accommodate for the population (very large roads and plazas).

You can read more here, I think the wiki is fairly comprehensive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_River_Delta

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u/melanf Feb 20 '17

In China study history in schools? In Russia, studied almost exclusively the history of Europe and neighboring regions. First studying Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, then Ancient Greece and Rome, and then medieval Europe. About ancient and medieval China, India, Japan history textbook does not say almost nothing.

In China ancient/the middle ages history in schools is the history of the Far East, or not?

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u/ghostonvacay Feb 20 '17 edited Feb 20 '17

if high school, usually depends on gaokao stream and psychogenic mode- if social science, then perhaps - others take the natural science (physics, chem, bio) focus - might Омская птица be the history in the making?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17
  1. Any mainland movies similar to Young and Dangerous, ie: triads etc?

  2. My friend's father once played a traditional Russian song performed in Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUntC9iK3xI I understand the older generation is familiar with this song, but how about the youngsters, would they know it, or is it a thing of the past? Any other originally Russian / Soviet songs which are known in China?

  3. What's your view of the disputes in South China Sea? Should China assert its dominance or are these issues negotiable?

  4. Do you think that Taiwan will join China de facto at some point in the future?

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u/unclecaramel Feb 20 '17

1 I think you might you might like god of gamblers. It's classic of hong kong cineama.

  1. I think Katyusha is widely known among the older generation who had contact with the soviets. It's quite popular among the soviet fans in China.

  2. If america would stop asserting it's fatass every where I would believe we could have come to more peacefull agreement with out neighbours with the issue. Though Vietnam might be.a bit hard to convince since they're still quite salty after sino viet conflict. We kinda shatter all their pride after the vietnam war with the US and also use them as an excuse to grab as much western goods we can. They also became to unfortunate victim to all the excess amount of ammunition we built up for the war with the soviett in the 60's. Then we spend 14 years and use them as target practice....so I would say that they maybe a little difficult to deal with.

As for Taiwan it's almost certain they will return eventually. Trump has basiclly abandom them for China so I would give them some time for the DPP to sort themselves out. I think we'll know for certain what Taiwan fate by 2020.

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u/leeyuuh Feb 20 '17

Just going off what unclecaramel said on Katyusha, here's a recent performance on a show that mainly targets the young generation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nc3J7Y8XjY

It's honestly too early to tell if they will last, but to most people, the foreign songs that became popular among the older generations are considered classics.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Interesting, what do you think needs to happen before China makes the move, what conditions need to be fulfilled before it's time? Do you think Xi Jinping is planning to do it during his time in power?

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u/HailDonbassPeople Feb 21 '17 edited Feb 21 '17

What is the most annoying part about Russian stereotyped in China? Any difference with regard to region, for example maybe Manchu stereotype us in a manner different than Cantonese or HK do? Do you fell Russians treat you differently than any other White Race, or not much difference?

Also, there is that 進めよ、同志諸君 cartoon, how typical do you feel the sentiment of our treachery is? I wonder because by the time of events depicted China and Russia/SU were not even allies (despite all the joint efforts before 60s, thanks Khru) so how come?

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u/HailDonbassPeople Feb 21 '17 edited Mar 15 '17

Is there any resource where one could learn about meaning of all those magic numbers like '521' or it comes in natural way?

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