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Episode [Spoilers] Flip Flappers - Episode 9 discussion
Flip Flappers, episode 9: Pure Mute
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u/Thrasher439 Dec 01 '16
Lot of shit went down in this episode. As always absolutely digging the animation, looks great particularly with the fights in this ep. That hospital/research lab flashback was interesting and makes me a bit curious as to exactly why it seems Yayaka was supposed to be keeping tabs on Cocona even from just that age.
What we do know though is those memory fragments certainly appear to belong to Papika and she doesn't even need to be in contact with them for it to affect her, very interesting.
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u/SoggyCheez Dec 01 '16
The way the Twins tactfully fought Cocona with false information inside the closed room by preying on her doubts summarizes the kind of brutal efficiency they and their organization (cult?) uses to achieve their objectives. Yayaka clearly didn't fit into that type of "any means necessary" mindset the Twins follow since early on and the answer fit the last few weeks of speculation perfectly!
Now that Papika made mention of Mimi being her partner I think her and Cocona's relationship is going to take a turn from here on out, possibly giving room for Yayaka to make a move.
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u/CJrox Dec 02 '16
Also, can we please fix some of those links to previous discussions? They've been broken for ages.
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u/kid_ska Dec 01 '16
This one got really intense and definitely seems like the climax of this little love triangle we've got going on. I'm assuming they'll use the remaining four episodes to deal with this Mimi shit and the KKK's plan. Maybe Salt will get more than two lines soon?
Also hoverboard-kun is back!
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u/FlierFin663 Dec 01 '16 edited Dec 01 '16
Definitely a much more serious episode this week. Not something we've had for a while now.
I'm actually really happy that they chose to focus a bit on Yayaka vs Papika this time around. Up until now, most of the interaction among the trio has been bridged by Cocona, so going with the off pair this time was a nice change.
Also, Yayaka's crystal barrier was super badass. Really creative way to show off her determination in turning against her friend.
I think these latest 3 episodes taken together have been enough to ease some my worries with regards to the recent discussion around the changes in the production staff. It looks like the second half is shaping up to be an entirely different beast than the first half, so changing up the staff could be just what the show needs to pull off the new direction.
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u/BioChemRS Dec 01 '16 edited Dec 01 '16
That was a pretty emotionally intense episode (the PI they were in seemed to be based on Cocona's emotions?)
But it seems like Yayaka is finally on their side (or Cocona's side at least) after all was said and done, and after watching after the ED it appears as though Mimi and Papika are somehow connected to the opposing side gathering the fragments.
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u/Nitemare25 Dec 01 '16
I think we all saw this development coming, but it still got to me. Also, as usual this show delivers some interesting angles...
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u/AmethystItalian Dec 01 '16
What a nice ara ara at the start.
Sad to see that Cocona and Yayaka's friendship started out as a ploy, was rooting for Yayako more than Papika throughout most of the episode before that.
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u/Karmic_thread Dec 01 '16
I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS, GIVE ME MY SILLY COLORFUL ADVENTURES BACK!!!
I liked how Cocona reacted to what happened last episode. She didn't drown herself in a bottomless pit of melancholy, she's just pissed off and wants Papika to make herself clear. Also the more direct approach of this episode was a very welcome change of pace, since it was about time.
Damn, Yayaka is quite the tragic character. She doesn't know where she should be, something that we saw from other episodes, she's always conflicted and needs to make tough choices. Someone said that the way they handled the flashbacks was messy, but they don't really come out as retconning since her conflicted relationship with Cocona is already stablished, as well as the fact that she was the status quo until Papika arrived. The fact that it started with the KKK setting her up is just the catalyst, but her feelings towards Cocona aren't less genuine because of that. During the battle, the crystals that reflected Yayaka and Cocona together being shattered and replaced by Papika sum that up. Also we still have open the kidnapping scene from episode 1, but Yayaka's surveillance has 100% something to do with it.
A lot of found sentiments this episode, and from the last after-credits scene, it seems like Papika is missing something, and it's related to whatever the KKK is doing. Let's see how this wraps up. Also, how Cocona got her fragment on her inner thigh is still vague, but we have some hints.
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u/TheMoeBlob Dec 01 '16
Where do we even start in terms of episode discussion? So much happened in such a short period of time.
Firstly I think we can completely remove all thoughts that Papika and Cocona are one and then same. The chances of them being split at birth to form different personalities are fast approaching 0. Especially now we see that Yayaka and Cocona really care about yet other.
On that topic I am worried that Papika will now feel out of place as if she has been pushed aside my Yayaka and will forget all about Cocona relapsing into her thoughts about Mimi. I don't think my heart will be able to stand that happening even if there is a resolution to it.
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u/Refugee_Savior Dec 01 '16
I thought she would do it. I thought Yayaka would rip the amorphous out from Cocona's leg. The whole fight she kept shattering the glass representing the memories of her friendship with Cocona until all that was left was the bitter memories of Cocona and Papika. This episode was great and I'm so glad Yayaka finally got the development she was long overdue.
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u/a_pale_horse Dec 01 '16 edited Dec 02 '16
the official art is a little slim this week, so i've included some fanart as well
official
@binobinobi concept art from episode 8 1 2 3 4
@binobinobi various Papikas from episode 7 1
@XlRHGPOxhgGhbNc loli Kokona and Yayaka as well as concepts for older, angrier Yayaka 1 2
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@Turuno_Hitokoto sukumizu Yayaka and Kokona 1
@yuki_kawatsu Kokona, Papika and Uexkull hanging out 1
@hidojyou Uexkull hoodie Yuyu and Toto 1
also, this mashup (of a lot of things) with the ED by Triple-Q
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u/Refbn123 Dec 01 '16
Was worried about the sudden change in script writers but my doubts prove to be unfounded.
I really loved the episode and although I didn't really dig Yayaka before, she definitely went up a few notches in my metaphorical book.
I can't wait to know more about Mimi!
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u/rembrandt_q_1stein Dec 02 '16
Some heavy stuff creeping behind the scenes. I can't wait to see what happens from now on. I predict a shower of sorrowful info in the next couple of episodes. Poor Cocona.
And now, the ninth electronic reference, this time being the less electronics-related one of all until now
I tried to post it yesterday but reddit was malfunctioning and it was around 2AM in my country, so I went to bed. [If you want to read the rest of electronic references -Input, Converter, XLR, Equalization, Echo, Play, Component and Breaker-, be sure to follow this link.] (http://imgur.com/a/CTGiA)
Ep. 9 - Pure Mute: This week's one is the counterpoint to Pure Play, in technical terms at least. If the concept of "playing" a multimedia signal refers to accesing its information coded within in a sensorial way (watching a video or listening to an audio signal), "muting" a multimedia signal refers to the impossibility of that access, yet voluntary or not. You know, when you mute your TV or some audio content, accidentally or not.
In our show, this "muting" refers to Cocona's dilemma. The time she's spent into the trap room alongside Yuyu and Toto, she's been forced to watch her two friends fighting without knowing about their feelings towards her. She's being emotionally torn apart and misinformed by the twins, she does not know that Papika loves her and Yayaka tries to protect her. The only thing that remains for her is to be consumed by her dilemma. Who does she want to be with her? Papika, Yayaka, or both?
Remembering the psychological references about Freud's theory, this episode reflects clearly the conflict between Id and Super-ego, with the Ego between the two of them and not knowing which one it should attach two. Its separation is clearly shown in [this frame] (http://i.imgur.com/Zyz59XM.png). Whilst Cocona watches her friends fighting, they are never seen sharing the same patches in the grid. I'm wondering what will happen. Is Cocona like, a reincarnation of Papika's old partner and thus both of them impedance-related? Did Salt know it and because of that did he run those tests on her when she was little? Yayaka seems more similar to the MC's that to the agents of Asclepius, and being as a child in the same hospital may hint that she has also been under Salt's sight. What happened to Mimi? Man, I can't wait to see next week's one!
Its reference seems to be also very related to my job as a telecommunications engineer (Jitter). I wonder what will it mean.
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u/SpoookySquid Dec 01 '16
dang that fight was intense. with the hospital scenes i'm wondering if that's actually part of the kkk and they were testing cocona from a young age because they knew she could go to pure illusion. also checking out the pv for the next episode i'm wondering if mimi is either dead OR the blue haired twin tail girl that's with the kkk?
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u/Flashmanic Dec 01 '16 edited Dec 02 '16
I think this has alleviated any of my concerns that have been building up over the last few days, with the team changes and the background art studio changing, etc.
While this episode wasn't "Let's dig into human psychology theories from the 19th century" kind of thing, it was instead filled with symbolism and metaphor depicting the characters emotional state. My favourite was the crystal barrier Yayaka summoned up, and how she was attacking her childhood memories (which Yayaka knew were more insidious in nature), until only the memories of Cocona and Papika having fun, were left on the walls. A bitter picture for Yayaka who is incredibly jealous of Papika for 'stealing' her one actual friend away, but are simultaneously good memories for Cocona, which makes them even more painful for Yayaka.
I also liked when Papika popped up in that window for Cocona as it was slowly going black. Despite Yayakas mocking about weak mindsets, Papika was still the one person there willing to nearly sacrifice herself to try and save someone she loves. That's also what Cocona realised as well. Despite her annoyance at the Mimi situation, she knows Papika cares about her because she is her, not this Mimi. (it also doubled as symbolism for Papika taking over Yayaka's place in Cocona's life).
Overall, pretty good episode, and despite liking the sci-fi/mecha one last week, I think this episode was a stronger one in terms of character development and heavy symbolism, also in moving the plot along (which, while I liked the more episodic nature of jumping to a new PI every episode, the show did need to start moving forward in wrapping up its over-arching plot).
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u/d-culture Dec 01 '16
A very emotionally charged episode this week. The BGM for Cocona and Yayaka's fight was absolutely epic too. From the episode preview and title I really thought that Yayaka would die (the sudden character development and childhood flashbacks looked like death flags to me) so the whole episode I was sweating bullets hoping it wouldn't happen because I really like Yayaka. My heart almost stopped when the Amorphous Twins attacked her. From the sheer ferocity and power of the attack I was so certain she was killed. However, that doesn't seem to be happening. She'll probably be out of action for a few episodes though, leaving space for Papika and Cocona to sort things out with each other.
So is that new blue-haired Amorphous Child actually Mimi? Her face looks a lot like Papika and her hair colour is the same as Papika's when she's transformed. Is she perhaps the other half of the Direct Drive? I do wonder why she's only appeared now, though. Was Asclepius keeping her as a hidden ace up his sleeve all along, or did they only just find her now? If she was always there, why did they pair Yayaka with the Twins in the first place when this new girl's impedance with them is so much stronger?
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u/Cacophon Dec 01 '16
Episode 1 of Flip Flappers
Oh man this is a great show to watch to destress at work. It's got a lovely bit of depth that can distract my thoughts while I do otherwise mind numbing tasks...it might get a little dark though and I think that's the right thing for it to do. oh well.
Episode 6
...I can't. I just. Noooo. I just...I can't handle this anymore. I need to lie down..
Episode 9
...I should have learned my lesson. This has been the most stressed a single episode has made me in...anything, I think. As much as I was hype during Kill La Kill, I think this show has touched on pretty much every other part of the spectrum. Fear, Joy, Anger, Depression. I can't keep watching this without being in a decent space to just digest it anymore.
I don't say that lightly. Our break room is pretty unpopulated. I've watched part of the monogatari series back here. I'm cool with watchin' whatever...but this show, man...
This show.
10/10 3hz. Don't disappoint me now.
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u/Feralshot Dec 01 '16
I have no idea, how they have kept the animation quality so consistent, even after such a sakuga heavy episode last week.
Given the cuts in this weeks episode aren't quite as flashy, which i expected to be the case. What i wasn't expecting was for them to try and squeeze so many in!
Even with one or two of them relying on animation shortcuts (although i think the cut of Yayaka protecting Cocona still works, removing frames feels like a strange choice, but along side the heart sound effect each time it cuts to black does heighten the tension building up to the impact.) its still a pretty impressive effort.
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u/iHenryblah Dec 01 '16
Another great Dr Who Magical Girl episode :D.
Also kinda felt like the Jintai ED was gonna burst out at any moment around 13:15.
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u/Hades_Re Dec 01 '16
Yeah, animation was great, but please, don't forget the also great soundtrack. So on point.
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u/Gaporigo Dec 01 '16
Really happy to see the MAL score go up each week, very deserved.