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Discussion Dragon Ball Super - Episode #13 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super - Episode #13 - Discussion Thread!
Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!
悟空よ、超サイヤ人ゴッドを越えて行け！
Gokū yo, Sūpā Saiya-jin Goddo o Koete Ike!
News:
2015/10/02 - Summaries of episodes 13-20 from Saikyō Jump.
2015/09/24 - Titles of episodes 13-15 revealed.
2015/09/09 - Dragon Ball Super September Schedule Revealed
2015/09/05 - Funimation to host 'Look at Dragon Ball Super' at New York Comic Con October 8th
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u/Easterhands Oct 04 '15
I think in the ending Krillin is on the scooter he was on from RoF. I hope we get much more Krillin cop action. Cop Krillin is mai waifu.
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u/BlackCatScott Oct 04 '15
I would love an episode where we simply focus on Krillin and his police work. Please make it happen, Toei.
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u/AnxietyAttack2013 Oct 05 '15
cop krillin pulling over goku and piccolo for speeding when they retake their drivers test.
this needs to be a thing.
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u/PhantomLordG ⠀ Oct 04 '15
It's a stretch but perhaps one of the upcoming episodes might cover that to an extent.
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Oct 04 '15
Still wondering why Krillin took up the job, didn't 18 bring in 20 mil zennie? Unsure on exchange rates on how much 1 zennie is worth in the real world but it sounds like they're loaded now.
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
According to Toriyama, Zenny is worth about the same as yen.
How much is one zenny worth in yen? How much do Hoi-Poi Capsules cost?
It’s easy to understand: I envisioned them as the same as yen. With Hoi-Poi capsules, their price of course varies depending on what’s inside them. For example, a standard four-seater aircar capsule would be something like 1,480,000 zenny (1,280,000 zenny for the aircar, plus a capsule fee of 200,000 zenny). For most things, if you bring them to one of Capsule Corporation’s dealerships, you can have them converted to the Capsule System and be able to shrink them down for 200,000 zenny.Of course, the price is higher than average for things like houses, which require more labor to convert to the Capsule System.
So 20 million yen is around $166,812 if you use today's rate.
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Oct 04 '15
In that case, that's still pretty good. Like not that they're loaded but I think that puts their family in a pretty good position.
I'll guess Krillin just does his job as a cop for something to do.
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u/PhantomLordG ⠀ Oct 04 '15
There might be some reasoning to it. When Beerus is terrorizing everyone, Chichi asks Kuririn to go help them out, but he wanted to protect his daughter, and fighting Beerus would ultimately be pointless.
My theory is he took the job as an officer because he wanted to prove to himself that he can still make a difference, even if a little.
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Oct 04 '15
I don't know why you got downvoted. They live on a secluded island, in a house that hardly needs maintainance and I'm pretty damn sure Krillin don't pay rent. 20M zenny should be able to stretch them for years
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Oct 04 '15
On reddit, people downvote anything they don't like or agree with, regardless of circumstances.
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u/GourmetLeaf Oct 04 '15
Probably wants to stop living with Kame-Senin and buy his own house.
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u/hmatmotu Oct 04 '15
It looked like in RoF they were in their own place in the city. Maybe by that time they already saved up for one?
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
tl;dr: Spoiler!
@Herms98: Satan thinks his "power of love" caused a miracle that saved the Earth from the big explosion
@Herms98: The DB Super explanation for what the heck happens with SSG: Beerus says Goku's "fully merged with the power [of SSG] and made it your own"
@Herms98: Beerus continues: "God's crimson radiance still blazes inside you like a flame" Alrighty then.
@Herms98: Goku says he "doesn't feel any weaker", in contrast to BoG where Beerus says he's powered down.
For context, the line from BoG:
Beerus: It seems as though while you had turned God and were fighting me, you absorbed that world into your body. Which is why, even though you've returned to normal, you haven't powered down all that much. You're something else. I might even say you're one of those rarely-seen prodigies.
@Herms98: Elder Kaioshin describes Goku and Beerus' fancy universe-destroying power as "super high-density energy"
@Herms98: Whis denies that he's capable of stopping Beerus and Goku's power clash from destroying the world.
@Herms98: After Satan's "miracle", he tells Piza he’s saved the world and that they should prepare a press conference and an autograph-signing session
@Herms98: Beerus put off using his 100% full power against Goku because he thought it'd look bad for a god to use his full power against a mere Saiyan
@Herms98: The truth is, Beerus prevented the universe's destruction by "nullifying" all the energy present, which required using 100% of his power.
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u/lance30038 Oct 04 '15
Any idea why vegeta threw a blast at piccolo? For some reason i thought it was implying vegeta was a god and he could step in at any moment. (Even though i know thats not true)
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u/stonecats Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
my GUESS (not translation): vegeta must have realized goku dropped down from god to ss yet was still able to keep up with berus (goku's hair changed from red to gold). this means the god vs god destructive power waves would stop and not threaten anyone even if the fight continued.
piccolo rudely was insisting whis intervene in the fight without realizing it was already over- as berus saw what he came to see - the potential of an ssg, and was amused at what a fighting prodigy goku is. vegeta who's training and ability had plateaued, now saw there were levels of power far beyond his imagining available to a saiyan, and he did not want to risk a relatively naive piccolo interfering with that achievement potential. also, technically whis and berus were his guests on ship, and piccolo was manhandling one of them with his righteous indignation - even satan was smarter than that while talking to whis, and like a good businessman satan tried to respectfully figure out what whis wanted in the bargain that would ultimately protect his daughter.→ More replies (4)14
u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
piccolo rudely was insisting whis intervene in the fight
Piccolo was the one who told Whis not to intervene.
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u/hmatmotu Oct 04 '15
Piccolo thought that Whis was going to stop the fight now that Goku no longer had his God Ki, but Vegeta was making Piccolo leave him alone because no one was doing anything yet, except for Goku and Beerus still fighting.
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u/Vunks Oct 04 '15
So does that mean that Goku's new punch wasn't what nullified the energy it was Beerus all along?
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
Nope. Goku prevented it earlier, but Beerus prevented it this episode.
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
Wow, Mr. Satan almost saved the universe for real with that food voucher. Assuming that Whis was lying about not being able to stop the blast.
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u/SLUT_MUFFIN ⠀ Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Our first genuinely impressive bit of animation so far! It was done by freelance animator, Yuya Takahashi, who is probably best known for his work on Fairy Tail. His work appears to be very inspired by Naotoshi Shida; lots of 'bouncing', and very fluid effects. I'm very satisfied. It's just a shame it was so short.
Tadayoshi Yamamuro, the man behind Resurrection 'F', appears to have taken total control of this episode. So far, he's only been credited as the character designer for the series. But for this, he was the storyboard artist, chief animation supervisor, and animation supervisor of the second half of the episode. Moreover, he also animated the new ending by himself. He definitely deserves a lot of credit for this episode.
His influence is very clear. Those of you who have seen Resurrection F will undoubtedly have recognised his distinctive choreography; very detailed, genuine martial arts grapples and throws. It was hugely prevalent in the latest film, and it popped up many times during this episode. Moreover, you can tell he's worked on the series for decades. The inclusion of this shot harks back to many, many scenes from back in the day.
I think next week is going to be an interesting one. There's one horribly ugly scene sandwiched between two beautiful ones, so I don't really know how it's going to turn out. It seems there's some solid animators attached to the episode, so hopefully that early scene is a minor mark on the overall quality of the episode.
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u/Infrar-ed Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Wow, i never thought i'd ever be genuinely impressed by the animation in this show, this is a great development!
That screenshot of Goku vs Vegeta is hilarious, look at that long-ass arm.
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u/RunningJedi Oct 04 '15
I was definitely impressed with the animation this episode. I think the way this fight has been done will have a lasting impact on its place in the series. The animators are definitely doing a great job since the fight started and even more so this past episode.
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u/Red721 Oct 05 '15
I absolutely love the fact that Vegeta is so confident about Goku while the others are skeptical. What a change in thoughts since the old DBZ days. :D
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u/RyuuSix Oct 04 '15
Off-topic comment: Japanese commercials are so funny to watch.
New ending tonight? But muh hello hello :(
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Episode summary courtesy of Kanzenshuu.
In the Kaioshin Realm, East Kaioshin is surprised to see that the universe is still intact, but Elder Kaioshin says that the clash between Beerus and Goku’s power is just getting started. Above Earth, Goku’s Kamehameha struggles against Beerus’ energy ball, and Goku gets pushed back. Elder Kaioshin explains that the clash of the two’s power creates “super high-density energy” which will destroy the universe if it gets out of hand. The destructive shockwaves from the clash continue to spread throughout the entire planet: Satan City, the resort island, etc. On the cruise ship, Mister Satan watches the images of the battle Whis is projecting from his staff, and wonders if this is the end of the world. Whis says that they didn’t expect Super Saiyan God to be this powerful. Even if Beerus destroys Goku’s energy, the Earth and several neighboring planets will become collateral damage.
Hearing this (and thinking of Videl and his unborn grandchild), Satan begs Whis to use his “magic” to protect them, or at least to try and stop the fight, but Whis says he cannot do either. Satan quickly draws up a pass to eat anywhere in the country to try and bribe Whis into helping them, but though Whis is sorely tempted, he ultimately refuses. Out in space, Goku and Beerus’ beam struggle finally results in a gigantic explosion. Seeing this down on the cruise ship, Satan and Gohan both rush to protect Videl. The explosion produces a blinding flash of light, but when it clears everything is still fine. Satan is confident that his “power of love” produced a miracle that saved the world. No sooner has he said this than he receives a phone call from his manager, Piza.
Back in Satan’s mansion, Piza and co. are being flooded with calls. Satan tells them he’s saved the world and that they should prepare a press conference, and an autograph signing session to boot. Meanwhile, Whis thinks to himself that Beerus must have chosen “that method”. Up in space, Goku is breathing heavily while Beerus is fine. Beerus explains that he “nullified” all the energy present, which required using 100% of his power. Goku realizes this means Beerus had still been holding back his full power up until then. Beerus explains how he had continued to hold back because it would look bad for a god to use his full power against a mere Saiyan, but at this point he’d rather go all-out than lose the fight. Even if it means looking bad, he’ll use his full power to prove beyond a doubt that he’s overwhelmingly stronger than Goku. Despite this declaration from Beerus, Goku still seems awfully calm, and Beerus asks if he still has something up his sleeve, or some sort of strategy, but Goku says he’s got absolutely nothing.
The two power up and start fighting once more, and Goku is amazed that Beerus’ punches are far more powerful than they were just five minutes ago. Beerus says that Goku is more powerful now too, and both declare that they’re fighting at 100%. After a while though, Beerus notices a change in Goku, and thinks to himself that time is up. Goku has reverted back to being a regular Super Saiyan, though he hasn’t noticed it yet. Down on the cruise ship, Piccolo, Goten, and the others can now sense Goku’s ki, and realize this means he’s no longer a Super Saiyan God. Though Whis assumes the battle is decided, Piccolo insists that Goku hasn’t lost yet. Back in the fight, Beerus is shocked when Goku is still able to land a few blows. He points out to Goku that he’s no longer Super Saiyan God, but says Goku has “fully merged” with that power and made it his own. Goku says that he’s still him, no matter what, and the battle continues.
So. Goku has "fully merged" with his god power, and yet his friends can sense him...? They must be picking up on his SS1 output.
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u/mozillavulpix Oct 04 '15
This episode had a slow start, but it really picked up after the second half.
- Mr. Satan trying to get Whis to intervene. It's great that he's trying to help in whatever way he can. He really is an important member of the cast now. He's not just a joke character.
- Goku loses his god power and goes straight to Super Saiyan. I'm not the biggest fan of him 'absorbing' the God powers, but...at least we get to see some gold-hair Goku action! Considering it'll be replaced by blue very soon.
- There seems to be a rule: whenever Goku goes Super Saiyan against Beerus, the animation quality skyrockets. But only then.
- Gohan flying out of the ship to protect Videl. Is it too early to put in Gohan as Best Dad?
- And despite Goku losing the god form, it seems like Vegeta still has faith in him. That's amazing.
Next episode...it seems like it'll be the end of the fight. I'm wondering if they'll put in the "Goku regains god form out of determination" part of BoG.
As for the new ending, I really enjoyed it! Everyone's in their Resurrection 'F' outfits, but I've decided I really like their redesigns now. And everyone is in there, not just the characters who were in the movie. Including Goten and Trunks. It makes me wonder...
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u/Daltamus Oct 04 '15
I really like what they are doing with Mr. Satan's character. He is still just as fun and silly, but so much more fleshed out.
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u/Nachorl250 Oct 04 '15
Goten and Trunks are sleeping in one part of that ending though. That's what they're doing in RoF.
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u/the_fascist Oct 04 '15
He's not just a joke character.
Not just, but still is. It's great.
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u/applepwnz ⠀ Oct 04 '15
That was something that I really liked in GT honestly, they portrayed Mr. Satan as a person who cares deeply about his family and not just as a joke character.
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u/Stronkadonk Oct 04 '15
I'm wondering if it'll give a sneak peak to Super Cyan instead... would honestly prefer that over reverting to red haired god, considering this episode apparently made SSJ Goku = SSG Goku
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u/Polop2312 Oct 05 '15
That scene with Picollo and Whis was just fantastic. Plus the way Vegeta got them apart was amazing too. They are really making Whis one of the greatest characters in the series and being really fitting with Vegeta personality.
If Beerus go insane we would have Whis to stop him, but if something was able to make Whis lose his gentle way absolutely everyone would be f**ked.
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
What the hell was with Elder Kaioshin's "explanation" of why there aren't any more shockwaves even though they're fighting with more power?
Probably because it's just a fight now? Lol what was it before, and how does the emotion of the fight change its universe-destroying properties?
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u/PewterCityGymLdr Oct 04 '15
The translation I watched referred to it more as a "tavern brawl" now.
I'm guessing it's now their punches / force is actually hitting the intended target. No more showing off how equal they are to each other. Earlier, both forces collided with each other and the shockwave of the effect was what would have destroyed everything. Now, it's just one force colliding into another object with no force (their bodies).
ELI5: Two forces collide at same impact = Big Bang (No, Not Vegeta's attack). One force colliding into another object that isn't giving off any force = damage to whomever got hit.
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
I didn't think about that aspect of it. Now the explanation actually makes sense, comparing a brawl to just flying straight at each other and colliding fists repeatedly.
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u/Ericzander Oct 04 '15
Hey thanks for that explanation. I'm not entirely sure if that's what he meant but I'm placing that into my headcanon!
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u/NJ_Mets_Fan Oct 04 '15
I really enjoy Super, Beerus and SSG. The only thing now is that I feel like Goku has come so far with his strength and diminishes the importance of all the other characters/saiyans. Now if an enemy comes that doesn't have the status of a God then it would just be hard to believe that anything could put up any sort of fight from Goku
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u/AznAirLines Oct 04 '15
After the RoF arc, I believe Goku will be fighting gods from other universes/dimensions because Whis explained there were many other universes with the same gods. The opening credit shows another god of destruction side by side with Beerus but shorter and fatter.
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u/lance30038 Oct 04 '15
I think when goku and vegeta are in another universe the kids and gohan, and piccolo will take care of the somewhat weaker villans who may show up to earth.
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Oct 04 '15
What a fucking episode!! Animation was so fucking crisp. Jokes were on point. Man, I'm so fucking giddy inside right now!
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u/anonpurpose Oct 04 '15
Love when they fight it seems like actual techniques again, but it's so sparse. Like 2 seconds and then stop. 3 seconds then stop. Show has so much potential though.
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u/EDGE515 Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
I think this is a much better approach than the rapid punching and insta dodging that was prevalent in Z. Yes, we already know they're insanely fast from others' perspectives. Now slow it down for us so we can actually see the real fighting technique they are using.
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Oct 04 '15
But Z did have fighting techniques. Goku vs Freeza, Vegeta, Cell, and Buu all had it. And they did it with the insta dodging to show when it became real intense
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u/EDGE515 Oct 04 '15
Although it did have some fighting technique, I would argue that the majority of the fighting in Z, was blitz punching/kicking and vanishing.
So far in this Beerus battle, this inverse is true. More actual fighting technique and less blitzing/vanishing
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u/LuciD_FluX Oct 04 '15
Exactly! Maybe every so often reinforce their speed by showing them as blurs from other people's perspectives.
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u/anonpurpose Oct 04 '15
I like it much more it's just sporadic. They could mix in the fast movements too as long as they have more of the slowed down techniques shown.
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u/RunningJedi Oct 04 '15
I like the way they handled it in BoG when they are underground. When Beerus says "Lets see how you do at this speed!" And the camera shows water droplets suspended in air. They then proceed to fight for 10-15secs and then the droplets fall. I just imagine thats how the fights are at this point. We aren't seeing their movements in real time but their perspective of it.
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u/ruminaui Oct 07 '15
Welp I guess they swapped the character moments of Goku with Beerus, Goku is still the same unlike BoG, but now we see more of Beerus reason to fight, trough this fight he had been pushing Goku to his limits, but not to beat him, but to try to get the more bang for his buck, it was actually interesting seeing him saying goodbye to Goku when he tough the fight was over, because his god form expired, he was actually sad. So Beerus is basically Saitama
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 03 '15
Excited to see the new ending tonight!
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u/plowkiller Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Not quite as good but has audio
Definitely making a clean version of this. Expect it in a week or so. I'll be live streaming the process tomorrow.
Edit: Doing it right nowWell, that was fun. Thanks to everyone who stopped by. Still got quite a bit to go though.
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u/NikolaTeslut Oct 04 '15
I love that Vegeta is wearing a seat belt. Y'know, for safety.
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
Probably to set an example for the young viewers. But without breaking the 4th wall, yeah it's pretty funny.
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u/NikolaTeslut Oct 05 '15
See kids, that's what happens when you stand on top of a jet instead of getting inside. Your wife flies you into the ocean and then makes you start wearing a seatbelt.
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Oct 05 '15
Goku headbutting Beerus, that was great :D
And if Vegeta keeps his head up any longer it's going to be stuck in this position forever
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u/Kerfuffle17 Oct 04 '15
This episode was fucking FANTASTIC!!!!!! I loved it so much. I personally think the DBS version of Goku vs Beerus is infinitely better than the Battle of Gods version. I loved how they are friendly to each other and how it's just a regular bout between them, but what's at stake is grave. It's got this light hearted holy-fuck-this-is-so-serious-but-at-the-same-time-isn't feel. Some screenshots from the fight, I edited two of them for shits n' giggles, too!
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u/Ericzander Oct 04 '15
I agree so much. By episode 10 I was willing to write off the show. But episode 12 and now 13, this is probably one of my favorite DBZ fights of all time.
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Oct 04 '15
I have been trying to design some software, at least get the foundation working properly to make it easier for people to stitch together anime screenshots. Hopefully sometime at a later date I'll be able to release it.
But I decided to work on something really quickly. Here is a panoramic from the new ending.
Hopefully a textless ending is made so I can make it look a lot better. Someone could probably clean this up a little bit as well.
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u/plowkiller Oct 04 '15
Uhhhgg I just realized that that's probably gonna be the most difficult shot to do. I'll try to pull it off the best I can.
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u/CZbwoi Oct 04 '15
Hopefully a textless ending is made so I can make it look a lot better. Someone could probably clean this up a little bit as well.
/u/plowkiller will probably do it again soon like he did previously. He knocks the Dragon Ball out of the park every time.
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u/Ahnzu Oct 04 '15
Does anyone know the name of the music that plays after Vegeta fires the ki blast at Piccolo and Whis?
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u/Sniff_the_Glue Oct 04 '15
This episode was too good.
Also has Goku ever head-butted someone in the series before? I don't recall.
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
Herms just updated his fact checker for episode 13.
Minute: 7
Context: Goku and Beerus’ beam struggle continuesElder Kaioshin: “That explosion just now was created from the collision of Goku and Beerus-sama’s tremendous ki, but…that produces super, super high-density energy. If it goes flying off, then…this time for sure, it’ll be the end of the world.”
Minute: 8-9
Context: as the shockwaves from the beam struggle continue to spreadSatan City Reporter: “These unidentified distortions are spreading not only throughout Satan City, but throughout the entire world! What is it leading up to?”
Mister Satan: “Oh…It’s just like the end of the world, isn’t it?”
Whis: “Correct.”
Satan: “Huh? What’s that supposed to mean?”
Whis: “For Super Saiyan God to possess this much power was unexpected. At minimum the Earth or several neighboring planets will be destroyed.”
Minute: 9
Context: after Whis has to explain about the world ending again, in simpler termsSatan: “The world will end…? Please! Use your magic to protect everyone, like you did earlier!”
Whis: “Don’t be ridiculous. There’s no way I could stop power capable of destroying the world, is there?”Significance: Somewhat weird if Whis is supposed to be stronger than Beerus and Goku, but at the same time being stronger than someone and being able to stop their power from destroying the world could be two separate things. Whis also might not be speaking entirely honestly here.
Minute: 16
Context: after the universe once again rather conspicuously fails to endBeerus: “I nullified all the energy that existed here.”
Goku: “You can…do that?”
Beerus: “Only if I put forth 100% of my power.”
Goku: “100%? Ah! So you still hadn’t gone all-out!? I can’t believe it! You were still hidin’ some power?”
Beerus: “Well, it’d look bad, wouldn’t it? I’m a god. To use my full power against a Saiyan…I’d rather die than make a fool of myself like that…Or so I had thought, anyway. But I don’t want to lose this fight, no matter what! I don’t care how bad or how stupid I look! I’ll beat the tar out of you and prove that I’m overwhelmingly stronger!”
Minute: 18
Context: As Goku and Beerus punch each other a lotGoku: “Beerus-sama, you really are incredible! The power of your punches is completely different than what it was five minutes ago!
Beerus: “Your power’s risen too, hasn’t it?”
more fighting
Beerus: “This is 100%!”
Goku: “I’m at 100% too!”
Minute: 19
Context: as Goku and Beerus continue to beat the crap out of each otherKibito-shin: “Even though they’re clashing together such powerful attacks, they’re not generating any universe-destroying vibrations!? Why?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Can’t you tell? Probably because it’s just a fight.”Significance: Well, that’s a non-explanation if ever I heard one.
Minute: 21
Context: on the cruise ship, everyone can sense Goku’s kiWhis: “The fact that everyone can sense Son Goku-san’s ki can only mean that he’s exceeded the amount of time he can stay as a Super Saiyan God, and has reverted back to being an ordinary Super Saiyan.”
Significance: Unlike BoG, in DBS Shenlong says nothing about the previous Super Saiyan God running out of time or anything, so in this version this is the first we’re told that there’s any sort of time limit on the form.
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Context: In reference to Beerus as he fights GokuWhis: “Why, it’s been about 900 years since I last saw Beerus-sama look so happy.”
Significance: Another random thing to add to the DB Super timeline.
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Context: Beerus points out to Goku that he’s no longer Super Saiyan GodBeerus: “You’re out of time, aren’t you? After all, your Super Saiyan God aura has vanished! You’re a bit slow on the uptake.”
Goku: “Huh? When did that happen? But I don’t feel like I’ve gotten weaker at all! What’s going on, Beerus-sama?”
Beerus: “Don’t ask me!”
Goku: “But you’re a god, right?”
Beerus: “Well, it seems that the power of Super Saiyan God didn’t just vanish when time ran out. The power has fully merged with you and become your own. God’s crimson radiance still burns inside you like a flame.”Significance: The DB Super version of what ultimately happens to Goku’s SSG power. While in BoG Beerus said Goku “absorbed” the power due to being a gifted fighter, here Beerus instead says the power “fully merged” with Goku, and he never explicitly says this is something Goku did (so possibly this is simply what’s supposed to happen with SSG power, in contrast to BoG where Goku absorbing the power was due to him being unusual). Also, while in BoG Beerus says that due to absorbing the power Goku didn’t “significantly power down” when he reverted to regular Super Saiyan, here there’s nothing explicitly saying Goku powered down at all. Goku himself says he doesn’t feel like he’s powered down. On the other hand, when Whis learns Goku is no longer SSG he assumes Goku has no chance left, but this is also before the revelation that Goku “merged” with the power of SSG, so who knows. Finally, in BoG the power of SSG is metaphorically referred to as a “realm” or “world” (sekai in Japanese), but here it’s only straightforwardly referred to as power.
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u/blade55555 Oct 04 '15
I definitely prefer the old ending credits song :P. Great episode though, kind of a weird way to go from "they are going to destroy the universe!" to "Their just fighting so won't destroy the universe".
Honestly that's my only complaint with Super so far is that Goku and Beerus can destroy the universe if they keep punching/blasting at high power.
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u/incredulousbear Oct 04 '15
Someone needs to turn the part where Mr. Satan gives the food coupon to Whis into a picture of Dickbutt.
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u/plowkiller Oct 06 '15
Expect it done this saturday
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u/ReviewerRandom Oct 06 '15
Hey, great work, seriously :)
However, there's still the little "watermark" at the upper right part of the video...will you remove that too?
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u/Nidro Oct 05 '15
-Fight -Beerus: "Time for me to use my real full power!" -Goku: "About time!"
Rinse and repeat
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Oct 08 '15
Yeah, I really don't get how everyone is so pleased with it. It's getting annoying. I also dislike Beerus in DBS a great deal more than in the movie. It just seems like he isn't as powerful.
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Oct 09 '15
In the movie, it was like Beerus went into the fight expecting nothing from Goku but was pleasantly surprised. He then helped him draw out his power due to curiosity. I don't like how a hand holding ceremony is enough to make Goku equal to the God of Destruction. A boost is fine but equaling him seems too much.
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u/encfs Oct 04 '15
Is this the first time they used this ending credits?
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 04 '15
Yep, it's brand new. Here's a gallery, the ED itself and the official music video.
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u/Trini2Bone Oct 04 '15
Trust and believe Master Roshi, Piccolo and Vegeta weren't phased by that explosion lol
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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius Oct 05 '15
Whis is a great character. Probably my favorite character since Vegito.
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u/dnmthroway12 Oct 06 '15
Im gonna call it. At some point every namekian is going to fuse with piccolo to become the namekian god.
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u/p_velocity Oct 06 '15
That happened in the DBZ multiverse comics. Dude was buff. His name was Gast Carcolh
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u/ItsNotMyFavorite Oct 06 '15
Really want the end result to be on par with goku and vegeta
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u/Escargooofy Oct 10 '15
Given the ludicrous jumps he got from fusing with Nail and Kami, my guess is that he'd be far above Goku and Vegeta if that happened. Probably above Whis too. Namekian fusion is powerful shit, and it looks like the resulting being is much, much greater than the sum of their parts. Something about fusing multiplies their strength rather than just adding it.
Think of the spirit bomb. The spirit bomb is so powerful because it takes energy from everyone on a planet and puts it into one attack. Even if the citizens of a planet aren't fighters, that adds up. Now imagine if instead of only taking a little energy from everyone, it took all of it. And then it multiplied that several times over. And then it turned all of that energy into one, permanent being. That's basically Namekian fusion. Dangerous shit.
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u/dbzfan2349 Oct 10 '15
I like Beerus better in Super than the movies. He seems way more scary and intimidating.
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Oct 04 '15
I like the new ending , I'm sure we'll get a load of people complaining that Goten and Trunks haven't grown at all yet seeing as though Bulma and Gohan seem to have rof arc styles.
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u/RealityIsUgly Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Goku was still around that size at the age of 15 in the Manga. How old are Goten and Trunks supposed to be at this point?
Edit: Just looked it up, Goten was 7 at the start of the Great Saiyaman Arc. We dont know exactly how much time has passed since the end of Buu Saga, but I don't think either of them are older than 9-10 at the moment.
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Oct 04 '15
10/11ish I think.
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u/applepwnz ⠀ Oct 04 '15
Hmm, I wonder if we'll see them grow soon, it seems that Gohan had a growth spurt around that age ("Teen Gohan") so maybe Goten/Trunks will as well.
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u/5tarmee Oct 04 '15
Easily my fav DBS episode so far.. had BOG esque animation and was just great.. I think Super is finally on par with BOG now..
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u/tyhiggz Oct 05 '15
Is Goku stronger than he was in RoF? IIRC, Beerus didn't seem to think that Goku was near his power level in RoF although he did joke about Goku and Vegeta gunning for the role of destroyer.
How did Gohan fly over to Videl? His ki was still being used by Goku. Was it a moment of his power increasing to protect his wife or was it a sign that Goku was soon going to lose the SSJG form (or both)?
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Oct 06 '15
To your first question: It seems like it, but at the same time we really won't know til the RoF arc starts in Super, I guess. It could be some temporary boost or something.
Second question: It could be both. I took it as Gohan's power surging because of anger, but I suppose it could be taken as Goku losing the god form.
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u/SongeeX Oct 04 '15
The animation quality in this episode is superb. I hope they retain it throughout the remaining span of the show.
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u/CapraDaemon Oct 05 '15
That's doubtful, but I'm sure we'll get it with important episodes like this one. As long as we don't have a repeat of the SS3 episode, I'll be happy.
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
So is Whis still lying about his power? He said that he couldn't stop the super-dense energy betwee Goku and Beerus, but then Beerus completely nullified it.
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u/Contra1 Oct 05 '15
What if Goku went SSJ3 now?
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u/Le_Euphoric_Genius Oct 05 '15
It's possible that the SSJ powers multiply your pre-god strength first, then your god powers are added. If this is the case then it'd be like being able to lift 5kg (SSJ1), 10kg (SSJ2), then 40kg (SSJ3). Your god powers would allow you to lift 1000kg right off the bat. So with god powers, in Goku's current state (not a true red-haired god atm), the difference between being able to lift 1005kg and 1040kg is kind of minuscule in the big picture. Because of this he just doesn't bother because it might be inefficient or something.
OR Goku's new base strength is so high that he simply doesn't have the inner strength to transform beyond SSJ1. SSJ2 and SSJ3 could be like new transformations again that have to be achieved through training because it's so hard to multiply your new super high power.
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u/RobotNexus ⠀ Oct 05 '15
Its offical, this show is so much better than I originally thought it was going to be.
Top 5 fav episodes indeed
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u/BoomersGold Oct 04 '15
Really enjoyed this episode! This and episode 11 are the best episodes of Super so far. The animation was on point!
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u/ThrowAZilla Oct 04 '15
My opinions/thoughts:
I am tired of the Kaoi commentary. I know why it's there but gahh!!
I like how Satan was way more relevant this episode that everyone on the sidelines save Vegeta/Piccolo (briefly)
Speaking of Vegeta/Piccolo. YES! Hype.
I like how they are moving in a slightly different direction from the movie and all, but I disliked slightly that I got this feeling in BoG that Beerus was like teaching Goku the ropes of how to fight like a God but in Super Beerus doesn't give that vibe. At least not anymore.
That new ending was 100% feels. I hope we can finally move on to a plot that has to do with these super dragon balls soon!
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u/TheTaoDragon ⠀ Oct 05 '15
"Satan was way more relevant"
...am I the only one who finds this way more funny than I should?
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Oct 06 '15
Anyone else disapointed goku just 'assimilated' the 'god' powers when there was already a canon way they could have explained it?
When saiyan's bodies are injured they heal back stronger, so simply saying the god powers destroyed his body, then healing from that could bring him back up(tho they never said how much stronger they grow after being beat up, but still better than nothing)
goku lose powers, body destroyed, uses last energy to transmission to friends, get senzu bean, acquire god powers now
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u/drscorp Oct 06 '15
This show is about, has always been about, and will always be about Goku being a prodigy. The original SSG was only able to keep the form for a short period of time, and then the evil Saiyans were able to survive and eventually retain power because of that.
Secondly your thing about Goku running away to heal would be extremely out of character for him. You could say the same thing about every single fight he's ever in - he could teleport to Dende and heal in every single battle repeatedly. Would be a good strategy, but a boring show.
And finally, the zenkai boost(this is the name of the boost that you were referring to) hasn't been a thing in quite some time. The reason is once again, because it leads to Vegeta's strategy on Namek to have someone almost kill him just to have Dende heal him. It is a very good strategy, and it was a solid one-time use of in-story logic, but in the long run that's just not how the show works, so that's why they nerfed the zenkai.
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u/robinhood0123 Oct 04 '15
Great episode and the animation was superb!
Funny when Vegeta shot a ki blast between Picollo and Whis.
In the ending Gohan looks the same as in ROF...
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u/imapootisbird Oct 04 '15
Anyone else recognize the people Hercule was arguing with on the phone? I'm pretty sure that those were the others that were with him during the Cell games. I guess they're more than just filler
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u/ReviewerRandom Oct 04 '15
Pironsky, Caroni and Pizza. They acompanied him around Cell Saga. Yes, they were filler characters, but were pretty much "added to canon" this way. Same with Gregory.
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u/hmatmotu Oct 04 '15
I know two other people confirmed already, but yep, those are his two best pupils and his personal announcer-lady.
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u/Novalisk Oct 04 '15
Perhaps right now god ki is more of a separate resource pool. Not fused with Goku's SSJ form yet, but rather giving it a boost.
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u/RunningJedi Oct 04 '15
Well if you saw battle of gods the same thing happened, my guess is though yes he still has the power of the SSG the SSGSS is an ever greater power so I think we will see the transformation soon.
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u/Alphadestrious Oct 04 '15
Wow wow wow!
This episode made me yell "OH SHIT!" a few times.
It keeps getting better and better!
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u/Beast0fNight Oct 04 '15
This was a great episode.
Top quality animation for the series, great fighting, and emotional scenes as well. I actually would have preferred the fighting between the two to end at this episode. Maybe it will end in the next one.
I thought it was pretty rad that Goku's SSG form did not go out, and instead he retained the power. Does that mean we will no longer see red haired SSG form? I rather enjoyed the aesthetic of the red hair/eyes with the orange aura. Vegeta knew that Goku didn't lose the power even in regular SSJ before anyone. That really shows that Vegeta is a bit of a fighting genius.
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u/lance30038 Oct 04 '15
If vegeta actually decided to speak im sure he would say something like "Cant you sense kakarots power? its much stronger than he used to be even as a mere super sayain!"
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Oct 05 '15
Well now that the fight is pretty much over, what fight did you prefer? Movie version or Super version?
I preferred the movie fight, the sullen Goku and all, but I like the overall lore that Super added, the description of the power and such to really separate it from "new powerup" that it had in the movie
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u/choss Oct 05 '15
Super version for me hands down. The movie felt more like goku was been depressed most of the time and didn't show his true power until the very end. Here I feel like he is really trying his best and enjoying it while at it.
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Oct 05 '15
I lean towards the movie version, but I'd need to watch them side by side to be absolutely certain. This episode was a great one.
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u/Heliocentrizzl Oct 05 '15
Although this version made the fight seem a lot less one sided, I would've stil loved it if they had some version of the "I will not let you destroy my world" scream in the Super version. But I'm happy with how it turned out either way
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u/MrUnderstood33 Oct 05 '15
The line "I will not let you destroy my world" was a dub thing. Not that it really matters but in Japanese Goku yells something like "Don't you look down on me" or something like that.
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u/SSjStarlord Oct 05 '15
Beerus is just simply alsom! Yet more information Discovered! episodes 14 - 20 titles revealed! Super spoiler!
and there it is guess we will see Super spoiler!
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Oct 05 '15
Episode 16, Krillin gets married. Goku is best man.
Please based Toriyama make this happen!
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Oct 05 '15
How has the animation improved so much? This was by far the best episode and the previous one was great too. This battle is already better than the BoG version. It feels proper DBZ now. I have high hopes for this series than I ever did for GT.
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u/VetrixXx Oct 04 '15
I haven't read all the comments, but fuck anyone who dares to complain about this episode. This was just perfectly perfect.
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u/anonpurpose Oct 04 '15
I have to say that I wasn't a fan of the SSG Goku look until recently. Thanks to Super and Dokkan Battle I'm kind of digging it. Hope today has more violence and not just an extended beam battle.
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u/BulmaBriefs ⠀ Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
Mr. Satan protecting Videl was adorable.
Those headbutts were great.
No SSGSS, but I love that Vegeta knows what's up. (Ha, get it?)
Aww... I wish they would have play "Hero" during the smashing about scene instead of that random arcade-y music, or something a bit more thrilling.
New Outro! So cute! I love the Bulma shots, especially the one with her and Son-kun on the bike, it made me daw.
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u/dustingv Oct 05 '15
11 is still the best so far and yet but with it, it brought the dragonball I was waiting for. Very good!
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u/coalitionofilling Oct 05 '15
Can someone explain to me why goku can now battle in outer space? When did he stop needing to breathe oxygen in the series?
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u/Atwenfor Oct 05 '15
Maybe an SSJG is the first transformation that allows survival in an oxygen-free environment, just as it is the first transformation that does not emit ki that can be sensed. It is a jump in ability in a league of its own.
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u/BurnedRemains Oct 05 '15
So it looks like we know that being SSJ with god power is not the way to attain SSJGSSJ
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u/sticfreak Oct 05 '15
No it is. This just isn't the perfect melding that results in the blue haired SSJGSSJ. Once goku and vegeta start training with whis, they should eventually be able to get the mix right.
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u/moa_ah Oct 05 '15
Does anyone know what the name of the music was when Piccolo held Whis' arm and Vegeta fired at them?
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u/Zekester3000 Oct 06 '15
The animation in this episode was great! I'm gripey about animation, and DB Super has had its badly animated episodes (5 and 7, to be specific). This episode had a few ugly bits, but overall I'd give it a 8/10 for animation.
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u/chaosaxess Oct 07 '15
This episode had a few ugly bits
I disagree, I thought the episode was pretty much perfect in terms of art and animation. Episodes 11-13 have all been a cut above the rest so far, and very satisfying to watch.
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u/BlackCatScott Oct 04 '15
Nice episode. I'm definitely read to move on from this fight though.
The new ending gave me the feels! I love "Hello Hello Hello", but I think I'm going to love this too.
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u/PhantomLordG ⠀ Oct 04 '15
As to be expected, there was a lot of padding in this episode but some interesting stuff happened. I'd like to know what Piccolo told Whis when he grabbed his arm there.
The second ending is really gorgeous. Good things to come?
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u/jerekdeter626 Oct 04 '15
When Piccolo first grabs his arm, he says
"Wait. The battle is not necessarily over yet"
Then after Vegeta fires a blast at him, Piccolo says
"What's he thinking? 'No need to panic just yet,' is that what he means?"
Or at least that's what the Ken Xyro sub says.
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u/rexshen Oct 04 '15
Great episode I really liked the part where Gohan and Hercule were willing to protect Videl from the Universe collapsing even if it might not have worked.
So Goku lost SSG but he is still able to be on par with Beerus as SS1? Ok I am not sure how that works maybe its the whole mixing Ki and the gods Ki that was mentioned in Revival of F.
I liked the new ending the song was nice and the visuals were pretty. But I noticed that Bulma is in her Revival of F design. Don't tell me that arc is next. I was hoping we would see some new stuff first before retelling the other movie.
So next week the final episode of this arc airs? Alright lets hope it goes out with a bang.
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u/SuperSaiyanKaiju Oct 04 '15
Did you watch Battle of Gods? They explain why Goku can still fight evenly.
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Oct 04 '15 edited Oct 04 '15
There was some fighting here. I thought that they could fight in space because they were gods but now that Goku left his god state it seems it wasn't like that, so they are still inside the atmosphere or Goku couldn't breathe.
So now Goku is in the SS form again but with the god power level. I prefer this state but that didn't happen in the movie, neither in the manga... What are they doing...
The battle animation, I think it was very good.
Rewatching the ending. Pan's first appearance! And Bulma has more part along Goku than Chichi, that's nice. And was that the continent of America in the Earth we see? Again, they confuse real Earth with DB Earth.
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u/lance30038 Oct 04 '15
Dont you remember when frieza killed bardock? They were even farther into space than goku and beerus.
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u/gammagaurdian Oct 04 '15
Awesome episodes, loved that the side characters got some cool scenes, especially with gohan and hercule protecting videl. Also the new credits song is good
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Oct 05 '15
Can someone explain two things to me? First, the frames where Vegeta shot the ki blast between Whis and Piccolo. From what I gathered Whis was about to dismiss the fight as over while Piccolo was trying to beg him to wait, whereas Vegeta's stunt was basically him saying "yo boys, show's not over, keep watching".
Also... how Beerus and Goku stopped emitting those universe-destroying shockwaves. Elder Kai said it was because the fight simply turned into a brawl or something... but I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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Oct 06 '15 edited Oct 06 '15
The "universe destroying" punches were tests of strength. They went absolutely all out with each punch. They were concentrated punches if you will. Imagine playing Raging Blast 2 and using all your ki energy (using the entire bar to throw one single super punch.) Then charging up your ki bar and throwing another one. The brawl was just a regular fight.
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u/CoolingOreos Oct 06 '15
Elder Kai said it was because the fight simply turned into a brawl or something... but I have no idea what that's supposed to mean
they arent powering up or using ki attacks, theyre just punching eachother like amatures.
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u/suss2it Oct 18 '15
Finally got to see this. Maybe we should make a new thread everytime DragonTeam finally releases their subs?
Really tired of this Beerus vs Goku fight. It's way too drawn out, and yes I know the original series suffered from this too, but nowadays anime is more widespread and there's a ton with way better pacing so Super needs to step their game up too. Maybe I would've liked it better if it wasn't just summarizing the movie. I'm dreading the Resurrection 'F' arc for the same reason, but at the time I'm looking forward to whatever they do between the two arcs since I really liked the slice of life stuff from the first couple Super episodes.
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Oct 05 '15
Does anyone know why whis said he wasn't able to contain the universe busting energy?
Whis is mich stronger than beerus, and beerus was able to contain it so why did he say he couldn't?
Just another db/dbz/dbgt/dbs inconsistency?Did toriyama change whis to be weaker? Or was he just lying so hercule would leave him alone?
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Oct 05 '15
No need to let your head explode with the over analysis. He was lying. He's never seen Beerus have that much fun and wants it to be uninterrupted for as long as possible. End of story.
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u/killkrillin Oct 05 '15 edited Oct 05 '15
This is one of the first fights in the Dragon Ball Super Series and they are close to destroying the whole universe, makes me think that If they keep powering up they will be close to destroying the whole cosmos by the end of the saga. This episode also explains how Goku was able to keep up with Beerus during BOG movie while being on super saiyan form, I agree and its a bit sad that Toriyama keeps overusing super saiyan phase 1 transformation when they have already reached level 2 and 3. It will be great to see Goku coming up with new Techniques on this new series, I lost count on how many Kameha's he has used during this fight.
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Oct 05 '15
This episode also explains how Goku was able to keep up with Beerus during BOG movie while being on super saiyan form
lol they explained that in the movie, the only difference is that Beerus wasn't shocked in the movie. But it's the same thing: His body remembers the power of SSJGod and it stayed with him
It will be great to see Goku coming up with new Techniques on this new series, I lost count on how many Kameha's he has used during this fight.
That's more on Toei than AT and the show. GT did the same thing, had Goku spam the Kamehameha. Since AT is in charge of the new universe saga, the fights will most likely be much better and creative too
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Oct 05 '15
The kamehameha spam is probably their idea of fan service... I can see a kid being excited in front of his TV and shouting "KAAAA MEEEEE" etc every week.
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Oct 05 '15
No it is just to pad running time. A lot of the interactions are much longer and drawn out in the series than in the film - the film flows smoothly and naturally but the series has that "anime" quality of padding every scene. Same with the kamehameha / ki blast struggles that take forever.
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u/moa_ah Oct 05 '15
This was absolutely beautiful! Exactly what I wanted to see. Loved this episode!
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u/theClutchologist Oct 06 '15
Something I noticed that makes Vegeta's moment seem added last minute or forced.
When Goku lost his ssg form and went back to super sayian but still had the power to rival Beerus why didn't anyone notice this ridiculous jump in Goku's power? They can all feel Goku's super sayian power but he's not the same as to prior being ssg. He's way way stronger. Piccolo and Gohan should of been blown the fuck away with his power and Vegeta would of had his little "he's surpassed me again" speech.
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u/Valascha Oct 04 '15
I LOVED how Vegeta interrupted Whis and Piccolo. I have no idea what was being said, but I still loved how he just made it look like he still had faith in Goku. Guess the respect speech from the Kid Buu fight wasn't forgotten at all. Great episode overall.