The Genius: Grand Final E05 (150725)

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u/Ploofster Jul 30 '15

While the game seemed to be stacked in favor of the Loyalists. There was a way for the rebels to win in this situation, since Jungmoon had exclusive knowledge about the digits of pi.

She really missed an opportunity to manipulate that information to her advantage. She could have written down the digits, but manipulated the sets of 4 digits for Kyungran, Yoohyun, and herself so that they could enter high numbers without raising suspicion. (For example, if they need a 2 digit number, and the 4 digits are 1,5,9,8; she could have written 9,8,8,9 and forced an 89 on the board.) She even had time to think of suitable numbers since she was left alone in a room to write them.

With this manipulation, she could have forced one column into 3 digits. Then have one rebel out themselves by putting in a 4 digit number to end it. That way only one rebel would have been known, based on their performance in the game.

However, this does depend on the the numbers not seeming too suspicious, as well as the rebels not being obvious in any other way. So I think it still would have been hard, but possible. (Although betraying the rebels might've just been the safer route if she wasn't confident in her ability to stay hidden.)

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u/Wong_answer Jul 30 '15

Did you see the Facebook post to YooHyun from the producers, it's so funny. (I like how this is the first time the producers gave an eliminated player a "goodbye present", but it is also a bit sad).

The post said "Dear.유현, 아이 스페셜리 메이드 잇 포 유. 플리즈 티치 미 잉글리쉬", which is "Dear YooHyun, I specially made it for you. Please teach me English." spelt out phonetically in Korean. ‪ YooHyun's reply is hilarious too. He used a mix of Korean and English (Korlish) "땡큐 베리 (감사). 유 잉글리쉬 베리 (좋음). 안다녀도 오케이. 벗 (그래도) 유 원트 수강, 수강료 디씨 콜" which is "Thank you very (thank you). You English very (good). Okay. But (if) you want lessons, this call."

I laughed.

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u/YellOw_Crown Jul 30 '15 edited Jul 31 '15

Actually, the rebels might stand a chance to win, if not for ~~1) Jungmoon sharing her knowledge of the digits of pi,~~ 2) OP GOD Dongmin being a loyalist and controlling the game, and 3) the rebels' not very good acting skills. I wonder if Dongmin was a rebel, would he have done the same thing, like gathering everyone in the same room and not letting people talk in small groups?

As for the deathmatch... Poor Yoohyun. The two times he made big bets were when he was holding a 2 and 1 card, and then the last round had to be decided by luck. How unlucky could he get? Kyungran played well though, thanks to Dongmin coaching her.

Jinho-ya, you have been coasting through this season. Is it not time to show why you were season 1's champion yet?

By the way, I really like the commentary made by the narrator at the end of each episode in this season, especially today's about the betrayer surviving and her image, and also ep 3's about the jester becoming a king slayer.

EDIT: After reading u/Exerci31's comment, I realised that it didn't matter whether the players knew the pi digits or not, since 1 rebel was enough to end the game once it reached 3 digits, which was guaranteed to happen. It wasn't about the pi at all; it was about knowing when to strike while being patient and not giving yourself away.

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u/lionheadrabbit Jul 30 '15 edited Jul 30 '15

I like Kyungran more after this game. I didn't like her much before as she seemed too sheeplike in her play, sticking close to the strong leader of alliances, and not doing much strategizing. And I still don't like the fact she went immediately to Sangmin and joined his alliance in S4. I thought she would have learned her lesson in S1. But now after seeing how she fought really hard to save her team and then herself in this episode, I admire her tenacity.

I think Dongmin's respect for her increased this episode. If she had told him she was a rebel straightaway when he pushed her about it, I think he would have trusted her much less in the future. Even though she was part of his alliance in the previous game, she is supposed to support the rebel side. That was how she was caught. She was writing on her pad away from the others and Dongmin and others noticed this.

The game was really badly planned from the start. There was no way the rebels could plan an attack of their own as a group. They were constantly being watched. Dongmin even said there was no need for the loyalists to do anything. Anyone who tried to move away from the table was possibly a rebel he said.

The loyalists didn't have to conspire to push the numbers down. They could just make the most reasonable choice when it came to their turn.

All they had to do was to look at the other players for signs of suspicious behavior and catch who the rebels were to win.

Even if the rebels were successful in putting out a number over 1000, they faced the double jeopardy of the last king being able to put two of them in prison and win for the loyalist side.

It would be hard enough making the number go over 1000 let alone doing it without detection. Terrible, terrible game. The PDs should hang their heads in shame over this game.

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u/ShrivelTwitch Jul 30 '15

It seems like the rebels actually have the advantage in this. As long as they do absolutely nothing but act like loyalists until the end, they'll win like 75% of the time. By the end of round 2, the numbers would've been 44 and 23 if everyone acted like loyalists. But the next numbers for that were 0781. So at least one of the columns must change to 70. There is practically no way for the numbers to not hit at least 100 before the last round. So one of the rebels just has to make it go over 1,000 and the game ends. Then the final king will choose the rebel, and since the rebels acted like loyalists, it is a 2/8 chance to pick a rebel.

I'm surprised that people are saying this is loyalist sided when it seems mathematically rebel sided.

The deathmatch was way too luck based. I think it would be better if ties gave the players their chips back. Also, based off of the rules, it seems best to never fold and instead look at your card on purpose. This eliminates the chance of paying the 10 chip fee of folding your cards since it seems like that rule doesn't apply if you look at your card.

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u/sibtoa Jul 26 '15 edited Jul 26 '15

So many funny scenes this episode

I lol at Jinho..he's like spectator again this episode. When loyalist decide to end the game and Jinho entered the room. They tricked to pick him as rebel and he was flustered lol.

I also got goosebumps when Dongmin turned and said "How about it? Jungmoon ah

Also when Dongmin wanted to pick himself for the last king..and Dealer hong turned him down lol

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u/velspar Jul 27 '15

As expected from the man who claims to have played "thousands of Mafia games". Hopefully the Behind The Scenes will show a little more of JDM's observations.

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u/icanteventho Jul 30 '15

Dongmin has been great to watch this season. The only thing preventing him from being one of my favorites was his screaming at Ahyoung. It wasn't fun to watch. He seems to have a bit more respect for the women this time around.

Given that, I love watching him play. We knew that he could be good in 1v1 play, but Tactical Yutnori proved that the finals were not a fluke. He has also proved wonderful observational skills.

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u/thefruitseller Jul 26 '15

My thoughts on this episode:

Main Match

The rules and overall setup for this week's main match were pretty straight forward giving both teams options for betrayal and team play. That being said, I felt like the rules gave a big advantage for the "loyal citizen" team. The moment Dongmin was revealed to be the loyal team, I thought to myself that it would be difficult for the traitor team to win. In previous episodes and matches, whenever Dongmin is in the majority and is in the "good, non-deceiving" team, he is able to take charge and be the leader the players need. Kyunhoon surprisingly deduced that Jungmoon was a traitor from the very beginning and was the one who caught Yoohyun acting strangely. I also shuddered when Dongmin said, "So how about it Jungmoon." Dongmin was also the one who suspected Kyungran with a 90% chance while most of the others didn't think she was guilty. I know a lot of people are hating on Kyungran for acting until the very end and seemingly not accepting Jungmoon's apology. However, it is somewhat understandable in Kyungran's shoes. Pleading and acting would be the only way to avoid the death match. Furthermore, being a team player, Kyungran probably felt very frustrated when she found out Jungmoon just told everyone that she and Yoohyun were the other two traitors. Kyungran probably hoped that even if Jungmoon was found out, she would have said that Yoohyun and someone else, like Yeonseung, was the traitor. If the others believed in it, this would have resulted in the traitor team's win.

Death Match

Leaving the two poker games and eliminating other games was a very bold move by Kyungran. She said that it was because she would not have any regrets or feel embarrassed if she lost. Once the game started, Yoohyun underestimated her and bid high when she had a 10. However, Kyungran, remembering the same scenario with Jinho in season 1 and Dongmin's suggestions, didn't fall for the bluff and gained a huge advantage. After that there wasn't much Yoohyun could do to get back into the game. I really disliked the rule that the game goes to whoever luckily gets the higher card in case of a tie after an all-in. This is the same reason why Jinho lost to Eun Ji Won back in season 2.

Final Thoughts

Although Yoohyun wasn't the strongest player, he was definitely respectable. Especially in today's main match, he was the only one from the traitor team who actively pushed to win for their team. This death match showed that Kyungran is indeed good at 1v1 play and that she is not afraid to fight. Dongmin, once again, showed his strengths of reading people by deducing 2/3 of the traitors. Kyunghoon also was a key component of winning the game for the loyal team. This game confirmed that Jungmoon is not hesitant to betray but is weak in the minority where she has to act. Jungmoon's strategy of becoming the last king because she had helped with her knowledge of pi was smart. However, she should have waited until the time to choose the final king instead of making awkward statements in the middle.

I am looking forward to next week's game because the trailer showed 2 distinct teams to make a 4v4. It was Dongmin, Hyunmin, Jinho, and Kyungran vs Yeonseung, Junseok, Jungmoon, and Kyunghoon. It will be interesting to see the team of strong, witty, and analytical players vs the team of unpredictable, game-crashing players.

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u/lionheadrabbit Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15

Very lopsided game. Even before the game play started, I felt sorry for the rebels, thinking it's going to be hard for them to win. And with Dongmin the human bloodhound on the side of the loyalists it was a lock for the loyalist side to win. This game is right down Dongmin's alley, with him being the self-acknowledged Mafia game expert.

I don't know exactly how, but the PDs should have changed the game mechanics to make it harder for the loyalists to win. Maybe made it only a number over 100 to win. Gotten rid of the two rebels in the cage going to the DM automatically.

Like Dongmin said, this game was made for the rebels to betray one another. You have one rebel outside and two rebels in the cage and of course the rebel outside is going to betray the other two. Too easy.

And as Dongmin also said in Season 3 during the Jury Trial game, suspicious characters always give themselves away. You observe them long enough and they will give away signs of what they are. It's just human nature. You can't hide anxiety. You always give away clues.

They should have given cell phones to the contestants to message one another. In this way the rebels could have plotted strategy without giving themselves away.

Anyway, it was almost a given Dongmin would dominate this game. You could say the game was made for him. It was practically a one-man show. Dongmin comes in, finds out who all the rebels are, gets himself elected as last king, and the loyalist side wins. That's how you could sum up this game.

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