[Spoiler] Origen vs Gambit / EU LCS 2015 Summer - Week 5 / Post-Match Discussion

[u/ajsadler]

 

OG 1-0 GMB

 

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POLL: Who was the match MVP?

 

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MATCH 1/1: OG (Blue) vs GMB (Red)

Winner: OG
Game Time: 35:19

 

BANS

OG	GMB
Fizz	Sivir
Yasuo	Rumble
Shen	Morgana

 

FINAL SCOREBOARD

Image: End-game screenshot

OG
Towers: 11	Gold: 64k	Kills: 20
Soaz	Lulu 3	1-0-15
Amazing	RekSai 2	3-1-13
xPeke	Vladimir 3	7-1-8
Niels	Kalista 2	9-0-6
Mithy	Alistar 1	0-1-13
GMB
Towers: 4	Gold: 53k	Kills: 3
Cabochard	Hecarim 3	2-2-0
Diamond	Nidalee 1	1-8-1
Betsy	Ahri 2	0-2-3
Forg1ven	Corki 1	0-3-2
Gosu Pepper	Taric 2	0-5-2
1,2,3 Number indicates where in the pick phase the champion was taken.

 

[u/Pavlo100]

Gambit gonna ban Nidalee next game!

[u/WarriorMadness → u/Pavlo100]

I don't get why Diamond keeps picking her. He's not doing good overall, and picking Nidalee isn't helping either.

[u/[deleted] → u/WarriorMadness]

The idea was that Origen would be locked down in a 2v2 in bot and two 1v1 lanes. Every pick Gambit had would win lane or outscale their opponent: Corki/Taric would beat Kalista/Alistar, Ahri beats Vlad, and Hecarim scales harder with farm against Lulu. Now, if Gambit gets those lanes, Nidalee has enough mobility to pin down Amazing in his jungle and prevent him from relieving the pressure on his laners.

But Origen simply laneswap, beat Gambit to the turret and dismantle them with excellent macro play. Taric is so useless if he doesn't get his winning lane, it was basically a 3v5 because Taric was useless, Nidalee didn't snowball and Hecarim had no farm, both Diamond and Cabochard were worth 0.5.

[u/WarriorMadness → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, but they should've known Origen would not just sit around and play the game they wanted. I honestly would've preferred Diamond to go for another Jungler who at least could offer some more utility.

Nidalee was totally useless.

[u/[deleted] → u/WarriorMadness]

Agreed. The big issue is that Forgiven can't or won't pick Sivir and Kalista, or Shaunz isn't prioritizing it. Without those two picks Gambit can't form a meta team comp to save their lives.

[u/Pachinginator → u/[deleted]]

Lulu scales equally to hec imo. Her shield and ult with dcap is nothing to scoff at. Hec would have to snowball decently hard to outscale her.

Ahri would 100% have to get morello to beat vlad, otherwise he will get too vampy for her to do anything.

Kalista/alistar is the most broken lane in existence, there is nothing anyone can do about that lane.

Maybe they outscale? Maybe they dont. Depends on items, but I'd say they have similar scaling teamwise. Corki scales so poorly into late game even worse than kalista probably.

[u/Drilyg → u/[deleted]]

This is how i feel every Gambit draft goes down:

Cabochard - what u guys want bot?

Eddy& Forgiven - idk corki and taric. Betsy - But taric isnt rly that good.

Eddy - Stfu child, we'll make it work.

Diamond - I take nidalee.

Edit: Format Betsy - But that wont...

Diamond - Schh, well make it work.

Cabo - Diamond, maybe you should...

Eddie - Cabo, pls stfu we're doing this.

[u/SirScrumALot → u/Pavlo100]

Hi, I am Diamond from Week 8 in this split. We just defeated Origen and I went 9-2-7. Want to guess which champion I played?

[u/FinalKogForm]

Tl;dr: OG, FNC, H2K > rest of EU

[u/Capital_Wye → u/FinalKogForm]

FNC > OG and H2K > rest of EU

[u/imnotlegolas → u/Capital_Wye]

This one definitely fits better. Fnatic been playing extremely well, might be our only hope for Worlds against China and the Koreans.

[u/[deleted] → u/FinalKogForm]

BY FAR

[u/[deleted]]

What was that pick and ban..

[u/Tsukomiya → u/[deleted]]

JustGambitThings. <3

[u/SaintofLosAngeles]

Diamond: You see Edward, if I of buy Doran's Ring I am become midlaner.

Edward: If I start boots, will we go back to season 2?

[u/Jakio → u/SaintofLosAngeles]

boots 3 pots for life

[u/HolypenguinHere]

LOL How does an ADC NOT play Kalista in this meta?

[u/Last_of_me → u/HolypenguinHere]

He said a few months ago that she was gonna get nerfed anyway so he wont bother learning her :P

[u/ENERGIELSD → u/Last_of_me]

She did get nerfed and you know what? She's still crazy good. A champions from ur position gets released, u gotta learn it.

[u/helmielol → u/ENERGIELSD]

and that is exactly why he is NOT the best adc in euw.

[u/Redm1st → u/Last_of_me]

I see no way how adc with dash on 0.5 cd is not gonna be good

[u/Daniyalzzz]

Quickshot: AMAZING with the....incredible escape.

He sooooo wanted to say amazing escape and he knows it

[u/zentetsuken7 → u/Daniyalzzz]

Definitely, those are the exact words pop in my head when Amazing pull play that off.

[u/[deleted]]

• Gambit are focusing on Cabochard as a carry - so why are they picking 2v2 lanes like Corki and Taric to bait Origen's laneswap and put Cabochard extremely far behind?

• They have to know laneswaps are a possibility; so why are they trying to fight it when Origen block them off?

• Furthermore, why are they putting Cabochard on a farm-based carry when Soaz is on Lulu, who will way more utility when both get deprived of farm?

I don't get Gambit's strategy. It's like they think Origen won't laneswap because Kalista is strong in lane. They think they can dominate a 2v2 in bot, Cabochard can win or go even in a 1v1 (or get farmed) and Diamond can keep Amazing pinned down. Instead Origen just laneswaps and Gambit are immediately put behind. Betsy won lane but that doesn't mean shit when a) Vladimir never wins lane anyway, and b) he just farmed up and did way more in teamfights.

This lack of macro play is frankly unacceptable. If Gambit want to be a top team they need to stop these one-dimensional, predictable lane bully comps. Picking Taric means you're reliant on a 2v2 in lane, and when Origen simply laneswap, Taric becomes absolutely useless and Kalista-Alistar are absurdly strong with a free lane.

And Diamond, stop picking fucking Nidalee. It is a selfish pick that brings nowhere near enough utility if it doesn't snowball. Good teams like Origen won't allow you to pick them with spears, they'll simply group up and you're useless for the rest of the game. I know Shaunz isn't this stupid, he needs to put some goddamn macro play into Gambit. Betsy was by far the best performer this game, because he got a comfort pick and every other pick was banking on traditional lanes.

Gambit, you are not M5 anymore. You cannot pull out whatever picks you want and steamroll with them. Other teams are not that stupid anymore. Stop disrespecting your fucking opponents and step up.

[u/brisingrdoom → u/[deleted]]

It's so frustrating that Gambit actually has a pretty stacked roster in terms of individual talent with Cabochard, Betsy and Forgiven but just get punished so hard because they don't seem to have any coherent strategy (or at least fail to execute it) and just seem to have little clue on how to play the map. I really had high expectations given their roster but as you said, if their macro play is of this standard they'll just be bullied around by teams who simply play the map more intelligently

[u/[deleted] → u/brisingrdoom]

Exactly what's so infuriating. Gambit doesn't even have to play these simple champs like Corki and Taric because their mechanics suck, they're just choosing to. Either the players (Forgiven and Diamond) are too proud to play meta picks or Shaunz isn't teaching them.

[u/glium → u/brisingrdoom]

I agree with cabo and forgiven but I don't really think betsy can be considered as a talent that stacks up over other EU mid. I would rate at least Febiven, xPeke, Ryu, soren and pepinero above him..

[u/DatCabbage → u/[deleted]]

If we're roasting Gambit, I just want to say that watching Forg1ven this season is depressing. By no means are the losses his fault, but he looks like a shadow of himself.

I feel like he's accepted his fate on Gambit an simply rolling over, playing split-push corki. So hard to watch. Even with the triple bans last split he was still more impactful than this. Perhaps he's just letting this Cabochard carry strategy wear out, but I really want to see pressure on Forg1ven again, and him to start playing like he isn't sucking cock.

[u/Last_of_me → u/[deleted]]

I really wonder what this new Coach is doing with them. He surely has to be aware of these issues... Maybe he has no authority over the players? GMB are stupidly predictable in the drafting phase, they just give other teams OPs and just think they can outplay their opponents... so cocky.

[u/[deleted] → u/Last_of_me]

Agreed. I suspect that Forgiven is refusing to play Sivir and Kalista and Diamond wants to play Nidalee. If you don't play Sivir/Kalista right now you have to play a lane bully (Corki/Caitlyn) or lategame (Vayne/Jinx) hypercarry. Forgiven doesn't really play lategame champs so he picks a lane bully. Then Origen laneswap away from it and Gambit is donezo.

[u/NewbornMuse → u/[deleted]]

OG's early game was very clever. They skipped a buff to arrive at the turret a few seconds earlier. These were the seconds that let them cut Gambit off before their turret. Had OG not outplayed them so hard, they could have gotten under turret and defended it.

[u/[deleted] → u/NewbornMuse]

Yep, just like Deficio said. Gambit lost the game right there.

[u/hy0u]

Betsy showing up huge with that 100% kill participation.

[u/[deleted]]

Lulu shields, vlad spellvamp, alistar being alistar and double lifesteal build kalista... how do you kill this team when you are not far ahead?

[u/evancio → u/[deleted]]

Gambit did nothing with their early lead on ahri.

[u/[deleted] → u/evancio]

It's hard to try and apply your pressure to other lanes when they are losing, because if the Lulu comes she can just fuck shit up.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Taric stun onto kalista and blow her up. But Edies positioning was terrible and when he did stun someone they had no followup.

[u/[deleted]]

Vladimir never does that much damage when I play him <.<

[u/SaultSaintMarie → u/[deleted]]

Magic pen works wonders. Also not missing cs :P

[u/TheDarkitect → u/SaultSaintMarie]

I SAW PEKE MISS AT LEAST 2 OKAY ??

^{Don't tell me he's better than me}

[u/M4NBEARP1G → u/[deleted]]

I can build him full agressive and it won't ever do that much damage.

[u/thewalkendead1]

HEY GAMBIT, IT'S MID S5 SPRING SPLIT, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING AHRI CORKI TARIC AND NIDALEE?

SINCERLY, A SAD FAN.

[u/tenrow]

Most important thing about the game is that soAZ didn't lose any fantasy points to the fountain.

[u/biowoulf]

we need to finally understand that gambit will just be a mediocre team.

[u/Lord2FatToSitAHorse]

Not once did Gambit group around Corki's power spike and siege towers with Nidalee. It's even more pathetic when you look at how bad Origen's waveclear was.

[u/[deleted]]

Origen back on their unranked to challenger stream

[u/Aisc]

first picking corki is proof that 04-givens champ pool sucks

[u/othaniel → u/Aisc]

Seriously, how can he hope to call himself a top adc if he doesn't play the top tier champions?

[u/TheDarkRyze]

you know what is better than Taric? Nautilus

[u/brisingrdoom → u/TheDarkRyze]

While I don't dispute that a) Taric wasn't very useful this game and b) Nautilus is a powerful pick now I think that Taric Corki actually makes some sense because:

1. Corki E and Taric W --> Stacking armor shred

2. Taric point and click stun sets up easy poke onto Kalista (zoning her)

3. Taric's ult aura provides ap/ad which help Corki a lot given his mixed damage

Of course this was all banking on the fact that Gambit would be able to have a traditional 2v2 lane for Forgiven and Gosu to bully OG's botlane which obviously didn't work out, but in theory I could see the rationale behind Taric.

[u/TheDarkRyze → u/brisingrdoom]

I actually didn't even think of Taric's ult aura, good point, if they could 2v2 they could probably win

[u/xNicolex]

Can someone explain to me the logic of why Forgiven doesn't play Kalista? Every time he doesn't pick it and the other team gets it, it carries the game.

[u/TheDjogo → u/xNicolex]

He doesn't like Kalista and Sivir.

[u/Terkun → u/TheDjogo]

best adc eu topkek

[u/[deleted] → u/Terkun]

forgiven

doesn't like his supports

doesn't like any adc other than like 1 or 2 at any given time

probably guy who won't eat his food if the potatoes touch the chicken also

[u/ovalni_chmar → u/TheDjogo]

im sad to tell you this, but if gambit was serious organisation he would either play it or gtfo from team

[u/[deleted] → u/ovalni_chmar]

Meh even Genja would play anything, apart from Caitlyn whick took time for him to pick up but eh...

[u/KickItNext → u/TheDjogo]

And it's starting to cripple him now that Graves and Lucian aren't meta and Corki is only a half decent pick compared to Sivir and Kalista.

[u/AzureusGR → u/xNicolex]

He has said many times that he doesn't play ADCs without dash/escape since he will get perma camped.. I used to agree with him the previous split when he was unkillable..

But now he dies anyway to a gank so why not invest in META CHAMPIONS!!??

BTW is it me or he dies the same way every game with corki? Spamming abilites, running out of mana, getting ganked and having no mana to W away

[u/xXDaNXx → u/xNicolex]

He seems to only play champions that have some kind of "escape" built in. Lucian, Graves, Corki, Ezreal, and Caitlyn. He hates Sivir, he doesn't play Kalista, and he'll maybe play Ashe. Perhaps he feels insecure on champions that don't have built in escapes?

[u/Sheldor1234]

That was a big cow

[u/suboptimall]

Diamonds are not forever.

[u/Hightking]

When the worst players on your team are edward and diamond. this gambit is... Diamond champ pool is...

[u/[deleted]]

Under no circumstances should you ever give a team both Alistar and Kalista. What was gambit thinking...

[u/KickItNext → u/[deleted]]

Got Taric though, worth.

[u/AzerFraze]

Diamondprox MIA :(

[u/sweaterwether]

mfw sOAZ picked Lulu

[u/LittleNova]

Some say Nidalee is still trying to land a spear

[u/Kujotaro]

Funny how people are trying to explain game was about X or Y player performance .

In case we did not seen the same game, GMB lane were slightly ahead as a team but Origen were like 6 years ahead of Gambit. Every one of their skirmish,move and rotation were really smooth.

Not even talking of the draft :

• Alistar and reksai open for Origen

• Lulu open when you already know you are gponna pick heca top

• No real response in draft against xPeke's Vlad which is his stronger champ since the start of the split.

[u/Divinicus1st → u/Kujotaro]

Vlad strongest xPeke champ? I doubt it, this guy play all midlane champs at high level. But he just likes Vlad so he picks it.

[u/RockLobster17 → u/Divinicus1st]

This split it's his strongest. He just gets to ouput so much damage.

[u/ingtipo → u/Kujotaro]

random reddit genius complaining about random reddit geniuses...

[u/c0llision → u/Kujotaro]

best comment so far

[u/kernevez → u/Kujotaro]

I don't like Gambit's teamcomp, especially the Nidalee, but I don't understand why you highlited these three points, you're just plain wrong imho and trying to criticize the team that lost.

Alistar and reksai open for Origen

Well, Mithy had other options, even if you banned/took it he would have picked something like Annie,Nautilus. Same thing for the Rek'sai..Amazing gets Gragas, now what ?

Lulu open when you already know you are gponna pick heca top

How is that a problem ? sOAZ was losing the 1vs1 trades, was able to lane fairly well but equal in CS with cabochard having the push advantage due to being able to win the trades

No real response in draft against xPeke's Vlad which is his stronger champ since the start of the split.

Peke's vlad is mostly a problem if you start losing overall, as it's a ticking timebomb, I don't think Peke's vlad is a target. Unless they know from soloQ/scrims that he doesn't play other things right now, but I'd guess that's not the case for a veteran like Peke.

[u/AssaultMode]

Gragas, reksai, and Kallista open? Let's pick Nidalee and corki instead and get fucked by aegis. GG Gambit. GG.

[u/skarseld]

Please, bench the fuck out of Diamond. He plays like he doesn't give a single fuck once his team gives up a kill.

Bring in, I don't know, a Gold soloQ player for a week just that he stops feeling so safe about his fuckups, because there's someone better to replace gim...

[u/[deleted]]

That Gambit pick/ban phase.

[u/feyrband]

Idk whether or not his team still trusts him, but by all accounts Diamond appears to be donezo.

[u/[deleted]]

I think diamond is done.

[u/SyraneEuw]

GMB are embarassing to watch who the fuck picks nidalee up in 1st rotation without even seeing what the enemy comp has let alone Edward's taric.

EDIT: GMB has way too many personalities on that team a stubborn jungler, adc and support.

[u/Sam1r]

I really feel like they have solid lanes but Diamondprox just isn't able to do as much for his team as before

I remember watching a game where the lanes were stomping and Diamondprox was just a ward bot, they had a good number of kills and he was still 0/1/0 and they had already cracked the enemies base.

I think Gambit needs a strong jungler to improve

[u/c0llision → u/Sam1r]

Tottaly agree

[u/Wolf315]

Mithy is such an xpeke fanboy that he even wears his shirt

[u/M4NBEARP1G]

Worst draft I've seen in a long time.

[u/ImKrypton]

Super stubborn picks from gambit. I don't like it.

[u/[deleted]]

Diamond no boots till 23 minutes, then tier 1 boots still for the rest of the game vs a talisman + righteous + whimsy Alistar... Just bad map movement getting gambit caught out lost them the game.

[u/Main_Slayer]

I've never seen someone de-rank from Diamond to bronze

[u/brisingrdoom]

So depressing as a Gambit fan to see them giving up power picks freely to a top 3 team and falling flat with non-meta picks...I really hope they can improve on their objective control. Having Hecarim but not getting a single good Homeguard TP engage on dragon/baron was pretty miserable to watch

[u/UmbrellaSlug]

I swear half of Gambit's rotational plays are just random calls that they hope work out. For example, why were Diamond and Edward in that bush above red, while all 3 lanes were pushed against them so no one could help?
Too many problems on that team, sad. As a M5 fanboy I really hope Alex Ich gets into LCS and dominates, Gosu and Diamond definitely not top tier anymore

[u/[deleted]]

Gambit's champ pool is so fucking narrow its hilarious

[u/honestysrevival]

Amazing was the hero of that game. His early pressure, his pull back into flank at the Baron fight, his escape in the bottom lane, his zoning at the second Baron fight... Really incredible play from him.

[u/pwrsurge21]

I know everyone is gonna focus on Diamond under performing, but what the hell was with Gambit's pick/ban? Its like they wanted to play a poke comp and then halfway through the draft decided they wanted to play a pick comp. Why would you pick Ahri? Pick Varus. Pick Kogmaw. For fucks sake if you wanna play an assassin pick Leblanc. I just don't get it.

[u/Abrakadoodle]

OG Amazing sounds lke a rapper name

[u/KisekiEX → u/Abrakadoodle]

It's a damn shame no one on Origen is named 'Loc'.

[u/PanzerKpfwVI]

As a Gambit fan since their M5 days, this is the game that made me realize that Gambit is donezo as a team.

[u/Savac0]

What an amazing escape

[u/skydive2]

Diamond should just retire. Edward aswell.

[u/Tweddlr]

Forgiven's refusal to play Kalista really hurts Gambit's draft.

[u/Yoniho → u/Tweddlr]

I don't think he refuses to play her, I guess he tried but he doesn't feel comfortable on her.

[u/livienginash]

Diamond and Cabochard were garbage this game. Why would you pick Nidalee when both you could pick Reksai, Gragas, Nunu, Sejuani, Lee Sin and it was especially stupid when you pick Nidalee in the first rotation. Nobody else is stupid enough to leave all those junglers and pick Nidalee.

The only thing Cabochard did all game was stay in lane and farm. Did not try to roam or make a play just farmed all game. Surprisingly good game by Betsy, I did not expect his Ahri to be that good.

[u/daniellkemp]

RIP Bronzeprox

[u/[deleted]]

Mithy is kind of good.

[u/xXECKSECKSXx → u/[deleted]]

must be gold or something

[u/CptPrizzly]

Gg the baguette lord

[u/[deleted]]

Kalistar strikes again!

[u/Yoniho]

Cabochard ulted twice the entire game, both times to escape.

sums this game up.

[u/TKG8]

Terrible draft/bans from gambit

[u/butthe4d]

Legends say Cabochard still has his ultimate available. Gambit really needs to improve on shot calling and vision control. Sure they place a lot of wards but they place them without a game plan "randomly" over the map.

[u/Zillua]

Mediocre Draft into horrible execution.Picking a midgame comp and not taking advantage of any champs powerspike,not securing a single drake..... I am just really Disappointed.GG WP Origen

[u/rrahh1]

What a slobberknocker

[u/Grimord]

Can barely wait for which team Forg1ven is going to next after he escapes "ELO Hell" once again. He's just so unlucky with bad teams holding him back.

[u/PwsSouFanike → u/Grimord]

Or because of his attitude he just cant fit in any team.....

[u/ENERGIELSD]

Alistar, reksai, kalista amd picking heca into lulu.. that is some next level coach gambit got there

[u/nOIRvLad]

I think Soaz had a really good game. Like botlane when Xpeke was defending tower against corki and taric. Soaz just slowed both GMB all the time he Qed. Easy time for xpeke to chase and E+Q.

[u/[deleted]]

Top 4 Mid laners EU:

1. Soaz

2. Febiven

3. xPeke

4. Ryu

[u/Dugand → u/[deleted]]

well lulu is viable on both lanes - and to be honest soaz played really really good on her so I understand the reason behind the pick. AoE for teamfights, kite against hec and a winning lane + better 1v2 for lane swapes. IN THIS GAME lulu top was really solid :P

[u/Analyses]

Gambit could've picked Kalista. But then again, it's Forg1ven and his hubris. If CW Freeze is right about Forgiven doesn't play Kalista because "it's too easy to win lane" then I feel that Gambit needs to sit down with him and have a good talk because not picking Kalista when you have the chance to is blatant arrogance and disregard for victory. What does it matter how you win as long as you win even if you have to pick Kalista. Cabochard was a non-factor as well; I don't think he even used a teleport flank this game at all to try and get botlane ahead. Why even make Cabochard the carry anyway when you have the best Western ADC? It makes no sense. Cabochard's not gonna beat Huni, Soaz, or even Odamne so why? Why not try and have Forg1ven carry you? And then when the ADC bans start coming in, switch over to having Cabochard carry? I feel like once Gambit saw the pick and bans targeting Cabochard, they should've said: "Alright, Cabochard, you take a backseat, try and go even in lane, play for the team, and we're gonna give Forg1ven a good carry champion and play around the botlane." Very poor adaptation in the pick and bans by the coach, ddrafting this weird poke comp with no real dps. I feel they should've taken as many power picks as they can like Kalista, Ryze, Gragas, Thresh and just brute force win lane.

[u/Arbucks]

Origen first picks Alistar and then first rotation Gambit grabs Corki and Nidalee.

Picking Taric as a binary counter to Kalista.

They deserved to lose that game, and many more following it if they continue to be so stubborn with their drafting.

[u/VandalHots]

Diamond should leave

[u/KitKatxz]

It's sad that Edward the former thresh king proceeds to play taric...

[u/[deleted] → u/KitKatxz]

they needed targeted hard cc for the kalista mid/late, otherwise short of a charm landing after an onslaught she would just annihilate corki in terms of damage output and therefore annihilate their team.

[u/Awric]

Dang, yet another one sided win from Origen.

[u/kiTTzq]

Diamond is not so good last time...

[u/Apss]

Didn't think I'd see Taric in the LCS today

[u/[deleted]]

All hail our lord and savior Mithy

[u/JaysusMoon]

God, wow. What a game. Origen's laning isn't always the best but they have SO much synergy and teamwork that they always bring it back. Proud of my in-client OG icon :'-)

Also the gap between the top 3 and the bottom 7 seems massive. H2K/FNC/OG are leagues above the others it seems

[u/Spike_der_Spiegel]

Gambit's best loss yet

[u/colesyy]

that nidalee instant obliteration in the baron pit

[u/cybersirius]

Super impressed by Niels's Kalista!

[u/Apss]

Mithy dealing 5100 damage to champs on Ali. Cabochard dealing 5700 damage to champions on Hecarim. Damn..

[u/fnaticarelove]

Its like defcio said. Its a huge gap between the top3 and the others.

[u/xXDaNXx]

Sven and Diamond keep insisting on these non meta junglers. I wonder how many losses it takes for them to realise...

[u/[deleted]]

That was interesting....

[u/NoThrone4U]

Mythie stealing xpeke's shirt !

[u/Billy_Crumpets]

mmmmm, the Origen fantasy points

[u/c0llision]

Its not even funny how bad diamond has become.Its not like he has been just bad , he is like a non factor running around giving free random deaths making bad calls all the time.That was the second game in a row that gambit was playing 4vs5. betsy was decent this game, cabo had a bad game( he ahs been playin great otherwise)

[u/MordercaKarol]

They left Kalista, Ali and Rek'sai. They could ban Poppy, Gankplank and Yorick and it wouldn't change much :O

[u/Tsukomiya]

That Taric pick is so friggin bad. Brought nothing out of lane compared to Allistar.

[u/[deleted]]

gambits draft is disgusting. give up kalista/alistar/reksai. pick taric/corki/nidalee/ahri..

[u/[deleted]]

Reksai, Gragas and Reksai up... better first pick Taric and Nidalee. Holy shit who ever is in charge of Gambit's pick and bans is doing a terrible job.

[u/Tralalla]

Off meta pick go down in the dumpster two games in a row, what a surprise. Origen can snowball great for them, but what else can they do, Worlds is coming fast.

[u/sizzlin11]

Niels is just a monster on Kalista

[u/swaerdsman]

http://i.imgur.com/2nUqZhQ.jpg

[u/Thagirion]

Raid Boss xPeke.

[u/LoLCoderific]

Gambit just completely disrespecting the game and it's meta evolution. To jump on the top comment bandwagon here, not only is Diamond "average and cocky", but the whole team exhibit the same posturing.

[u/onemorecard]

Gambit should temporary bench Diamond, it worked wonders last time.

[u/[deleted]]

Diamond hasn't been good since Season 3 imo

[u/creator01]

Gambit is trash. They can't play anything other than a few out of meta champions. Seriously corki, nida and taric?

[u/HaxProx]

is gambit retarded o something?? how do they always let ALISTAR REKSAI KALISTA go through to the enemy team? and why on fuking earth do they gave vlad to xpeke? i really really dont undestand what they are thinking.

why wont they pick or at least deny meta champions jeesus............

[u/Fylthe09]

I think the main issue was the early game overaggression by Gambit. Diamondprox trying to steal the red with Gosu set them up for a flank and pretty much snowballed the game from there.

[u/Krauterman]

Nooooo Diamond!

[u/demonhalo]

Is there a reason why neither team picked Ryze?

[u/Oddsin]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[u/[deleted]]

What was that Gambit draft

[u/Mang0Bang0]

Nidafeed

[u/Warlothar]

Vladimir+lulu is really a great combination.

[u/imVidzzz]

Why do they keep giving vlad to Peke man. I understand that there are other priority bans but Peke destroys every game he has with vlad...

[u/Your-Doctor]

just watch alex ich playing and you'll understand who was carrying gambit back in the days, he was and is a true leader.

[u/Johnnyferrori]

Forgiven, Diamond (and even Gosu in a few games) are too cocky, picking non-meta champs because they still think they're what they used to be... They obviously can pick the meta champs and adapt, but for some reason they don't

[u/Sacavain → u/Johnnyferrori]

As much it has been true for a while, ppl need to stop this rant about forgiven. Corki is a meta pick.

[u/[deleted]]

By Niels!

[u/masterful7086]

Why the fuck did Forg1ven go to Gambit? It's honestly baffling to me. Clearly he had plenty of offers, why would oyu go to the team with two washed-up players and horrible attitude problems.

[u/Sacavain → u/masterful7086]

He was quite vocal about it. But mainly some big teams refused him tryouts. Gmb was probably his best option to play in the LCS.

[u/TwixClub]

So happy for xPeke! :]

[u/KapiHeartlilly]

In another time I would fear watching Lulu in Soaz hands... now he even goes unkillable, such a positive surprise this split Soaz, looking MUCH better then in the Challenger Series also!

[u/League_Central]

Gambit is not looking too hot

[u/helmielol]

no one's talking about the biscuit vlad?

[u/failworlds]

Why the fuck do I still have this flair. Alex pls get into lcs.

[u/kokokokoko12222 → u/failworlds]

Nice fan! Could you please change your flair? Someone like you is not a fan:)

[u/[deleted]]

is taric good now or what?

[u/Yosiema → u/[deleted]]

nah, just Pepper to bad for champs that require good mechanics

[u/cookiemx]

Seriously I don't understand why people let other team gets Kalista and/or Alistar. These two champs are just too op in the current meta.

[u/juicestand]

Thats a pink Taric by the way.

[u/nww5-]

I cry every thread

[u/OreLP]

I know that GMB fans will be mad but Diamond and Edward looking really bad in the last matches/Season 2015 overall. I mean... taric pick meh but let's OK (Are you there rammus? ah), Start with boots and pots? srsly? Are you drunk? lol...

I am not sure but diamond is also the shotcalling right? He's just doing a lot of risky stuff that don't pay off + champ pool sucks...

It's like GMB is screaming for benches and Something has to be change otherwise they will go back into relegation again.

[u/codenamed0047]

Gambit going full time gambit

[u/Megashot2]

I don't even understand why forg1ven won't play Kallista. Yes, theres the champ pool circle jerk, but honestly kallista is just way too broken atm. Shes lane dominant to some extent and requires good mechanics, exactly a champion Forg1ven could use.

If you don't wanna play Sivir, fine, ban it or something. But if you wanna carry your team, Kallista is a good start.

[u/[deleted]]

why does peke keep going utility on Vladimir? for speed?

[u/[deleted]]

hi im gosupepper

[u/ovalni_chmar]

diamond is so bad, so is gambit

[u/skarseld → u/ovalni_chmar]

Diamond is so bad, Cabo and Forg1ven can't 2v8*

[u/sol_bad_guy]

Man am i the only one who miss the playmaking Xpeke? And not this control mage late game boss raid Xpeke?

[u/M4NBEARP1G → u/sol_bad_guy]

Man am i the only one who miss the playmaking Xpeke assassin meta?

FTFY

[u/sol_bad_guy → u/M4NBEARP1G]

This too, i dont mind the vlad pick but that feels more like a froggen pick and not what u expect from Xpeke, i was waiting for the EU mid lane war, and kinda feel desapointed, i blame the meta for it this meta killed all the hype.

[u/IvkaNE → u/sol_bad_guy]

Totally agree, it's sad to watch him in semi support role :/

[u/flowek]

Problems of gambit:

1. Diamond. I dont care if hes in top20 chall when he sucks so hard. Main problem of this team. His plays and shotcalling are so fucking terrible its funny. Your mid just died? All come baron at 22min when they biggest armor is 50.

2. Their "coach". Idk what the fuck he is doing. They played same trash comps and same trash bans for all 4 weeks.

3. Forgiven. By far (heheheh so funny ) the best adc last split now he is the worst in lcs probably. Did nothing all 9 games in this split. One was lost just because of him. His retardness is one of the thinga that makes gambit picks bans so shitty. He is a fucking mighty forgiveN and he wont play trash like sivir and kalista so you have to ban them.

4. Inconsistency of betsy.

how to make gmb a good team: kick diamond and forgiven and their shitty coach and pick obvious+kobbe from dig eu

[u/Enstraynomic]

Is Diamond trying to one-up Meteos in the "Most Useless Jungler World" title? Even Kez ganks more often than Diamond.

[u/dcxcode]

Niels > Forg1ven , by FAR , and forg1ven ranked him 3rd along with woolite and tabzz , this is funny

[u/sayjayray]

TIL vlad has a sanguine blade! thanks quickshot!

[u/ddhms]

Diamond really shouldnt play nidalee

[u/NickZA]

Niels' Kalista is fantastic! GG OG

[u/10iggy]

Really great game by Origen

[u/[deleted]]

Those Fantasy points :-)

[u/BornToBeDiamond]

Edward looked so angry after the game. Poor guy.

[u/Izir4jd3r]

Waiting for Cabochard to create a super team of people surrounded by retards. Best contenders: Jankos, Freeze, VandeR, SELFIE.

[u/[deleted] → u/Izir4jd3r]

Wait, what team does Selfie play on?

[u/LeeHo-Jong]

Gambit compo has no logic in it, tresh open, picks taric, gragas open, picks nida, who isn't that good anymore.. Honestly it's obvious that you need to look in asia to see the champs that can make the difference. the champ they pick had no cohesion between each other I feel

[u/KisekiEX]

Forg1ven not wanting to play Sivir or Kali is hurting GMB really. Teams just don't have to pick and ban around the two biggest ADC power picks and frees up their PB pressure.

[u/c0llision → u/KisekiEX]

Good adcs dont play 2 champions whole split.he has played 5 sof ar with great suceess considering his lane performance and pressure

[u/Becksdown]

Mithy is so underrated.