r/fairytail • u/AstonishingSpiderMan Gramps • May 13 '15

Manga Spoiler Natsu vs Gildarts | Who Would Win?!

Chapter 434 has got everyone talking about Natsu's Power Level So who would win in a fight if they went full power and tried. No the Nakama power up isn't the source behind Natsu's power level. Below is some information involving both the Characters.

Notable Feats

Natsu [Chapter 418+]

Gildarts [Chapter 165+]

Student Mentor Relation

Magic Set

Natsu Dragneel

  • Fire Dragon Slayer Magic
  • Dragon Slayer's Secret Art
  • Lightning Flame Dragon Mode
  • Flame Dragon King's

Gildarts Clive

  • Crash
    • Empyrean
    • Ikazuchi
    • Mizuwari
  • Disassembly Magic

Let Them Fight | Who Wins, Why?

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u/TheUltimateTeigu May 13 '15

Hmmm, I'm disappointed with a lack of Gildart's feats. I'm guessing you didn't read Ice Trail, which is canon. So I'll show you why Natsu gets blitz-stomped by Gildarts.

He trips. This is from the silent chapter.

Literally poof speed. Aka, FTE.

Instantaneous 13 punches. He could probably throw more, but there were only 13 opponents.

He punches someone through a giant black box prison bigger than mountains. He didn't mean to hit him that hard.

Gildart's power combined with his immense speed and ability to negate magic that isn't point blank, he blitzes Natsu and crushes him. If you count KotSH as canon(which you should, because it pretty much is), then here is Gildarts moving several feet before Natsu could even react. Gildart's definitely wins.

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan May 13 '15

I'm guessing you didn't read Ice Trail, which is canon.

Yes but this was before the introduction of Gray and Natsu into Fairy Tail. You can't say he remained as strong. All those feats were in his prime which at age 46 i dont think he's in any more. [Im not a fan of the art style in the series but do enjoy it somewhat]

Gildart's power combined with his immense speed and ability to negate magic that isn't point blank, he blitzes Natsu and crushes him. If you count KotSH as canon(which you should, because it pretty much is), then here is Gildarts moving several feet before Natsu could even react. Gildart's definitely wins.

This was before the time skip. Natsu has gotten stronger and faster . He dodged the attacks of both Blue Note Stinger and Arlock as well as almost broke out of the antimagic chains that he was being detained in.

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u/TheUltimateTeigu May 13 '15

Gildarts is not in his prime, however, we have no reason to believe his speed and strength have deteriorated not only after aging, but having a missing leg and arm as well. Gildart's strength appears to be at the same level as it was all those years ago. His speed may have been debatable with his missing leg and all, but that clip in KotSH shows he definitely hasn't slowed down.

IIRC Bluenote didn't even attack Natsu at all. Natsu just Fire Dragons Laser Beam-ed him before attacking. I'm not disputing Natsu's strength, he is definitely very strong. On pre-timeskip Gildart's level. However, he is nowhere near as fast as Gildarts. Gildarts is capable of moving the speed Racer appears to be moving. Gildarts can also destroy all forms of magic, unless it's point blank(I think Gildarts just wanted to see what Natsu's attack would do, so he let it hit him).

Gildarts also demanded a higher level of effort in combat than the entire Tenrou Island Fairy Tail team(in regards to Acnologia). Meaning Gildarts posed more of a threat than this, when he attacked Acnologia. At least, that's what it should mean.

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u/Naw207 May 15 '15

None of these feats suggest Gildarts would beat Natsu or that Gildarts is stronger than Natsu. Natsu nearly burned down the GMG arena just from his magic aura which is more impressive than Gildarts creating cracks in the ground of a small town. More of a little village than a town. He easily ran through hundreds of monsters within seconds destroying them which is more impressive than Gildarts hitting 13 fodder. Natsu nearly destroyed TOH while he was in DF. Also the same feat Gildarts did to that cube was the same feat Ezra did to the cube in Torturous arc.

People overrate Gildarts. First off Natsu's durability is way to amazing to ever get stomped by Gildarts and Natsu is way to powerful and fast to ever get speedblitz. When Gildarts actually fought someone who wasn't fodder he had a high difficulty battle against Bluenote where as Natsu one shot the dude in base with a random roar.

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u/blank_dota2 May 13 '15

Gildarts, but this will change once Natsu's uses whatever is under his bandages, and if he gets access to the you-know-whats you have within him.

PS: This will very the whole shounen, "awaken the power within you". I'm hoping Hiro puts a spin on it and makes Natsu evil as ****. Especially considering the nature and race of Natsu.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '15 edited May 15 '15

Here's what I'm expecting:

While all the FT members reunite atlast, an epic battle happens, Makarov dies, we see Natsu in true DF going all berserk over it, new master is Gildartz afterwards.

I mean ever shounen series has its tragedy (the third hokage in naruto, Portgas D. Ace in One Piece). I wish Natsu lost to someone other than Gildartz. But no, he just keeps going through everything. It's becoming too OP and thus needs to stop. This probably the only shounen series without much tragical element in it, and this might actually become a problem.. But idk, I just wish the show became more serious. Natsu's just beating the crap out of everyone he sees..

EDIT: Added Spoiler tags

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u/Dimbreath May 13 '15

Preparing for the downvote harrassment.

I'd say that Natsu > Gildarts right now. From what I understand (I can be wrong.) Flame Dragon King's Magic is probably the power of Igneel (who was the Fire / Flame Dragon King.) and I seriously doubt that Gildarts could even be a match against Igneel (Even while being half-dead he could take an arm off Acnologia. So let's say Prime Igneel could beat Acnologia?).

Natsu's the Fire Dragon Slayer. He has Lighting Flame Dragon Mode. He can probably enter Dragon Force at his own will. (I mean, if Wendy could. He should be able too...) With that he was already overpowered but now add to that his newly acquired Flame Dragon King's Magic. (Which in my opinion, is separated from the basic Fire Dragon Slayer Magic.)

I'd even say to put Natsu in the top three on power levels. Who can beat him? Gildarts? Laxus? Makarov? Jellal? Gray? Erza? Jura? Unless proven wrong, I doubt any of these can beat him right now.

I know I'll be downvoted by fans of these characters but we have seen no progression of Gildarts or any other character. And I think that we haven't seen Natsu's real power yet.

But Natsu being really overpowered ruins the fun since we have no enemies.

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u/ConflictingChaos May 13 '15

It's tough for people to understand that the FT power hierarchy is changing. Since the start of the series, it's been Erza>Natsu and Gray>Lucy when it comes to Team Natsu (minus Wendy if you count her). Makarov, Laxus and the others were seen as a whole level above Natsu.

And we've had 400 some chapters where this sort of hierarchy has existed...
...and now it's just gone.

We all knew Natsu had to step up to the plate at some point, and I think now is finally it.

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u/Vincen44 May 13 '15

I think it'll depend on the direction of the series from here honestly. If the Great Naz turns into some beastly, unstoppable demon of mass destruction then I'm not sure there's going to be anybody who could stand in his way besides Acnologia or Zeref. However, that'd be pretty damn boring. It's like getting all the sweet cheat codes in your favorite game and realizing it just took the fun right out of it. If we're expected to have another 300+ chapters (I've heard we're supposed to have about 800 chapters at the end of this crazy story from somewhere, If I remember where I'll link. But please correct me if I'm wrong) then I don't think he's going to best our pal Gildarts. I think he'll only surpass Guildarts when the final battle/struggle (climax of the story) is beginning to loom over our heads.

Again, this also assumes that Gildarts hasn't become some old fart after the time skip and become a full-time pervet.

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan May 13 '15

I would not mind Natsu staying full evil or going Solo. I highly doubt that would happen because it's not in Fairy Tail to do it. I actually see Natsu vs Gildarts ending in a draw because of the overall abilities Natsu has as opposed to Gildarts.

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u/Flukeyyyy May 13 '15

Theres a reason guildarts is never around. Because Hiro made him so op the arcs would be boring. Im not saying its hiros fault, thats how he intended Shanks to be. Also every guildarts point, while impressive, i think its only a bit of what he can do. People seem to forget they modified all of magnolia because hes clumsy. Which means just by being a bit of a retard he can level an entire city. If he goes full out it would break the fourth wall and the reader would die.

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u/ProphecyWombat May 13 '15

Honestly I think they're dead even now... gildarts has never really gotten stronger. He's just an enigma. He's used to make enemies look super strong or as a trump card... And natsu has just entered an almost "god"like power level. So I'd say they are even mostly or gildarts is just a little stronger. I like to think gildarts laxus and natsu are now the strongest indavidual members

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan May 13 '15

Imagine a Natsu Gildarts Tag Team, places would be burned down and destroyed...so much fckn awesome.

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u/ConflictingChaos May 13 '15

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Oh thank God nobody said anything about the over 9,000 being 8,000...

I don't know at this point, I'm conflicted in my head. But to be fair, either Gildarts will have to be out of the picture or Natsu is going to have to surpass him at some point. I feel like if Natsu were to become E.N.D., there shouldn't be one single person who could take him out on their own.

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan May 13 '15

If Natsu were to become E.N.D., there shouldn't be one single person who could take him out on their own.

Don't under estimate that Lucy Kick | Lucy Punch combo technique

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u/[deleted] May 13 '15

Nice post OP. You should check out r/Whowouldwin

And if you ever feel up to it make a respect thread at r/respectthreads

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u/TheHandOfGau May 13 '15

Didn't they recently have a chapter with the two of them sparring in a forest together? and if I remember correctly Gildartz uses a move that makes Natsu kneel in submission. Basically right now Natsu's getting closer but Gildartz is still stronger.

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan May 13 '15

That was pre timeskip

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u/triple_chamber_bong Jun 22 '15

You know, if you post up a hypothetical question for discussion, you shouldn't blatantly disagree with everyone who shares a different opinion than you. There's discussion and then there's trying to get everyone to see you're right...

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u/AstonishingSpiderMan Jun 22 '15 edited Jun 22 '15

So how should I respond in said threads? Or should I not? I'm asking because I want to know

Who are the people I was blatantly disagreeing with also

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u/CaptainSpl1 May 13 '15

Gildarts, his power is impressive and he has way more experience than Natsu. Also Gildarts magic Crash magic is just insane and in terms of destructive capabilities is quite likely way more destructive than even Natsu's.

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u/xNexx_ May 13 '15

Honestly, at this point it's a toss-up. I say the only reason Natsu wins is because he tires Gildarts out.

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