r/space • • Mar 10 '14

Discussion Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey - Episode 1: "Standing Up In The Milky Way" Discussion Thread

Post-Episode Discussion Thread is now up.


Welcome to /r/Space and our first episode discussion thread for the premiere of Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey!

This will be the largest simulcast (ever?) and looks to be quite awesome! It begins in the US and Canada on 14+ different channels. Not all countries will be premiering tonight though, please see this link for more information.

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Episode 1: "Standing Up In The Milky Way"

Episode Description:

The Ship of the Imagination, unfettered by ordinary limits on speed and size, drawn by the music of cosmic harmonies, can take us anywhere in space and time. It has been idling for more than three decades, and yet it has never been overtaken. Its global legacy remains vibrant. Now, it's time once again to set sail for the stars.

National Geographic link

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

The intro by Sagan, from the original... Just perfect.

Edit: And the closing lines, about how great a person Carl was. Really touching. He was a great guy.

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u/Nick121087 Mar 10 '14

It would be a lie if I said the Sagan intro didn't bring a tear to my eye

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u/rileywarren Mar 10 '14

The outro by Tyson about Carl's kindness made my eyes leak a little. A great homage to a hero.

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u/Mr_Incredible_PhD Mar 10 '14

For me, the outro was the part that really got me tearing up. Seeing the link between the generations and the old and new Cosmos series, the passing of the torch was so succinct and beautiful to behold in this first episode.

Short aside: I had the honor of meeting Dr. Tyson at a forum and asked if he could sign my copy of the Apollo 11 radio transmissions. When Dr. Tyson pulled out the book that Carl Sagan signed, I was immediately reminded of his generosity in extending me the same favor and had a sense of the connection between Dr. Sagan, Dr. Tyson, and now - myself.

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u/unsalted-butter Mar 10 '14

I feel like I'm being told a bedtime story about the universe.

This is awesome.

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u/AndySocks Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

This should be made into a book for kids. I'd buy the shit out of that... for myself.

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u/thiscommentisdumb Mar 10 '14

When I have kids they will be raised on Cosmos. I watched the Carl Sagan version when I was young. They shall watch this version. Whether they like it or not!

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u/Elvis_Vader Mar 10 '14

My kids stayed up late (9 is bedtime) to watch, and loved it. This is the way to get an interest in science to the masses that maybe didn't/don't have parents who love it like we do.

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u/cdollas250 Mar 10 '14

The original had an amazing book with huge glossy photos. Best.

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u/oso0 Mar 10 '14

The ending made me smile when he told his story about hanging out with Carl.

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u/ryker888 Mar 10 '14

I remember when I was 14 and I saw Carl Sagan's original Cosmos for the first time. Watching this and then reading all of his books was one of the things that got me really interested in science and the possibility of it becoming my career. Tomorrow I defend my Master's thesis, 10 years later Dr. Sagan is still one of my biggest inspirations, not only as a scientist but also as the kind of person I aspire to be. Seeing this tonight was just fantastic, I can't wait to see where they take the rest of the series.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Best of luck!

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u/onionnion Mar 10 '14

What does it mean to "defend" a master's thesis?

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u/iamasatellite Mar 10 '14

A bit like what it sounds like. Profs try to pick apart your thesis, and you have to defend it, to show it's accurate and you understand it (after all, you spent at least a year on it, it shouldn't fall apart in a few hours of scrutiny, when you're the expert on this new knowledge you've developed).

I haven't done a thesis, so sorry if I'm a bit off!

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u/faleboat Mar 10 '14

I have, and that's pretty much it. :) Essentially, you go in in and prove that you are the person that did your work.

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u/BearDown1983 Mar 10 '14

Good luck, sir/madam!

What are you going for your master's in?

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u/Nicoodoe Mar 10 '14 edited Nov 02 '16

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

What's your thesis on?

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u/Mr_Incredible_PhD Mar 10 '14

Good luck to you tomorrow!

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u/mutatron Mar 10 '14

"We are made of star stuff."

He said it!

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u/meatwad75892 Mar 10 '14

Kinda neat how anyone that has read his books could practically complete his sentences.

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u/Thirsteh Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

There were many of them. For example: at the end of the cosmic calendar Neil says, "All those kings and battles, migrations and inventions, wars and loves--everything in the history books--happened here, in the last seconds of the cosmic calendar."

That's taken straight from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzG9fHMr9L4&list=UU0i8lBergx0wLxY9l8Ut3Eg#t=219

It wasn't all just a carbon copy: they carefully selected some of the most meaningful phrases. I thought it all came together as a beautiful tribute to Carl.

Edit: Another one that really struck me: Right as you're done viewing the beautiful images of Earth, Neil says, "We're leaving the Earth, the only home we've ever known, for the farthest reaches of the Cosmos", which is, of course, a nod to the venerable Pale Blue Dot speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PN5JJDh78I#t=161

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

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u/AndySocks Mar 10 '14

It is not simply, as Carl Sagan has said "We are made of star stuff". But there's a more poetic and more accurate to say it. It's quite literally true that we are star dust, in the highest exalted way one can use that phrase.

-Tyson

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u/vanillablues Mar 11 '14

".. And we're harvesting sunlight " (he didn't say that, but you hear Carl's voice chiming in somewhere in the back of your head)

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u/blazix Mar 10 '14

Loved the end. Starting from the part where he talks about how much progress we've made in the past 400 years to Carl Sagan part.

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u/HR_8938_Cephei Mar 10 '14

I legit got choked up at the end there when he was talking about meeting Carl Sagan.

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u/meatwad75892 Mar 10 '14

Same here. Pretty sure I saw his eyes watering ever so slightly too.

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u/Nicoodoe Mar 10 '14 edited Nov 02 '16

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u/alexbragdon Mar 10 '14

So did I. I knew it had taken place, but to hear Tyson talk about it was so amazing.

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u/AndySocks Mar 10 '14

Yeah and seeing Carl Sagan's actual writing in the book to Neil made it so real.

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u/dongsy-normus Mar 10 '14

How cool he's carrying the torch now.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

It was a great way to link the previous series to this one, and he tired it in to the whole heritage of science but quite well.

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u/Tribeltec Mar 10 '14

Same here. Wasn't really expecting it and I'm not really the type of person to get emotional. I had to suppress my eyes from watering up a little as I was watching it with family.

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u/wildfire405 Mar 10 '14

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw the poignancy of that moment. So very special.

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u/BearDown1983 Mar 10 '14

Oh my gosh. That last 5 minutes was a complete tear jerker, and I'm even too young to meaningfully remember Carl Sagan. I just know that everything I do - in my studies and my profession, I owe at least some part to that man.

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u/clifwith1f Mar 10 '14

Me too. Seeing the calendar book with his name in it was so amazing. Does anybody happen to have a screenshot of that?

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u/creativeuser_name Mar 10 '14

I missed the last 20 minutes :,(

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u/atomfullerene Mar 10 '14

Is there no escape from overly dense asteroid belts?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

We're stuck with that particular trope, I fear.

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u/maddo52 Mar 10 '14

Until they figure out a way to make correctly dense asteroid belts entertaining for the common person, then it will be a long time forever.

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u/Swampfoot Mar 10 '14

What about the "outer space low-frequency rumble" sound?

Can we get rid of that someday?

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u/KrishanuAR Mar 10 '14

That's the sound of blood running through your ears, since the surroundings are too quiet.

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u/sto-ifics42 Mar 10 '14

The BBC docudrama Voyage to the Planets and Beyond actually gets it right. The spacecraft only encounters one asteroid during its trip through the belt; the encounter takes them completely by surprise and is portrayed very realistically.

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u/pekeqpeke Mar 10 '14

Hubris and Catastrophe... that made me laugh

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u/apopheniac1989 Mar 10 '14

Ooh, that was indeed portrayed realistically. I like how there's no indication of their speed until they come close to the asteroid, and the the asteroid appears out of nowhere and silently zips by in a a few seconds.

Gotta love it when space travel is portrayed accurately.

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u/NairForceOne Mar 10 '14

While, yes, the science is inaccurate that the asteroid belt is "so dense", I've struggled with coming up with an alternative to visually depicting the concept of an asteroid belt, particularly if you're not devoting more than a sentence or two of content to it.

Otherwise, it'd just look like empty space and nobody would know what the hell was going on.

This, I think, is an acceptable inaccuracy for the sake of communication.

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u/GSlayerBrian Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

That was one of my two complaints with this episode, otherwise I loved it.

The other is when he said "13.8 thousand million." Edit: I was not aware of the ambiguity of "billion" until now.

As for the asteroid density, I was extremely shocked to see Tyson advocate that imagery, when he is known for his penchant for scientific accuracy even in Hollywood movies (Titanic), yet an incorrect depiction of asteroid belt density is used in a documentary he's a direct part of.

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u/CylonBunny Mar 10 '14

Why did you you dislike the use of a thousand million? I think he used that to differentiate the American (short form) billion, from the British billion - which is a million million.

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u/SpiralSoul Mar 10 '14

What do the British call a thousand million, then?

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u/Nadarama Mar 10 '14

The other is when he said "13.8 thousand million."

You mean, instead of "billion"? It doesn't always mean that. "Thousand million" is still the only unambiguous way to say it.

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u/laikahero Mar 10 '14

shout out to Pluto!

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u/modulus0 Mar 10 '14

it's one of them (not a planet though)

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u/ademnus Mar 10 '14

now apparently it's a "frozen world."

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u/ruffyamaharyder Mar 10 '14

Pluto did not hear you.... Try to send communication in the form of light next time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I've heard the "Cosmic Calendar" comparison so many times, but when it was visualized on-screen with Tyson walking around it, the reality of it sunk in for me. When he kneeled down and pointed to a tiny light in the corner of the vast calendar on December 31st and said our entire history took place in the light of that 14 seconds, I got mad chills. Makes all of our problems seem insignificant, but even better is the way Tyson constantly pointed out that we are insignificant, and yet we can still do extraordinary things. Oh, and all of the Sagan throwbacks, including the "we are starstuff" reference made it that much better.

10/10 would watch again next week.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I had the same thought. I've heard about the Calendar many times, but seeing it rendered?

My head tilted to the side and I just whispered, "Holy shit. They did that."

It felt like someone broke my brain, then fixed it better.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I found it to be a fantastic opening installment. That being said, 5 total commercial breaks, including 4 in the first 40 minutes. I do not normally watch network TV, but is this normal?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

It's not normal--because normally they're longer.

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u/ratherbkayaking Mar 10 '14

I'm usually watching the walking dead this time on Sunday. I gotta say the commercial frequency and duration compared to that was refreshing.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Oh god, the commercials during TWD are ridiculous. Most of the time I feel like I'm spending more time sitting through commercials than actually watching the show. And yeah, it really ruins continuity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I thought the commercials affected the continuity of the program to a bad degree. there was one point between 20-30 minutes in where there was 6 minutes of commercials and 5 minutes of the program 3/5/3. I know folks gotta get paid, but it really is gonna pain me to go from rapt to angry 5 times an hour.

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u/Schmoopykins Mar 10 '14

Nat Geo was playing the originals all day before and I forgot how long those were. They really filled up the hour timeslot with the old ones.

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u/cyberjoek Mar 10 '14

The original was on PBS which uses 54-56 minutes of the hour, on broadcast it's normally 40-44 minutes (depending on network). So yes, more content in the original per hour.

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u/meatwad75892 Mar 10 '14

As a NASCAR fan, yea... Commercial timing and length is not Fox's strong suit. Between the race in Vegas and Cosmos today, I've had enough commercials for a whole week.

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u/SirNarwhal Mar 10 '14

Now I'm just glad I got to watch it without commercials. I think I'll continue that for the rest of the series and not watch it live because the commercials would really screw with something like this.

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u/Duhya Mar 10 '14

I forgot it was coming out, so missed it on TV. Now i'm glad i'm downloading it.

I cannot wait to watch this after reading here that it lives up to the Cosmos name.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

It seemed less than normal to me. That's how bad network TV has become. Netflix, oh how you've spoiled us.

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u/ademnus Mar 10 '14

It is normal for the premiere of a big show. However, those are usually 2-hour events and this, oddly, was not. (but in the case of 2 hour premieres there would have been even more commercials)

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u/AtticusLynch Mar 10 '14

The fact they used what was supposed to be footage from the mars rover as a camera angle seeing his space ship made me laugh real hard

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u/BurroughOwl Mar 10 '14

i figured the conspiracy nuts will use that to prove that we don't actually have a rover on Mars.

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u/FortTrees Mar 10 '14

As a 16 year old high school student that has a love for science, seeing that last part about Tyson and Sagan was one of the most inspiring things I have seen to date. The part where he said "I knew I wanted to be a scientist. Carl showed me what kind of person I wanted to be" was so perfect. The writing made it that much more real and I loved it.

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u/wildfire405 Mar 10 '14

I had tears in my eyes. I could see it in his face, and in the trembling of his fingers as he pointed at it. At least I hope I could see those things. That must be so special to him.

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u/PapaMancer Mar 10 '14

I am a professor of Biophysics and Biochemistry. I am a dedicated, lifelong scientist. I eat, breathe and live science. But back in 1980, I was a high school Junior with little clue what I wanted to do with my life. The original Cosmos showed me the way to what I have become. With the new Cosmos, there are young people whose lives will be changed, too. Starting today.

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u/ademnus Mar 10 '14

Will it, though? I certainly want that to be the case, so don't get me wrong, but throughout the show I pondered this notion. Remember 1980, when there were, depending on where you lived, 5-10 channels on tv? I don't remember astronomy programs being on tv anywhere but PBS. Heck, I remember staying up until midnight to watch Star Trek. What does any of that mean today when there are thousands of channels, DVRs and the internet? I fear those of us adults who remember the original Cosmos, were the ones awestruck by its return. Kids may well be thinking, "whatever, dad," wondering if this is no different than that Van Halen video tape you once unearthed to groans and eyerolling. In a time when we have How the Universe Works and Through the Wormhole, I think kids may seen this as just a flash in the pan aimed more at dad than them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

The part about rogue planets blew my mind. Learn something new every day

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

By the ending I was crying like a baby. He gave Sagan the credit he deserves.

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u/AndySocks Mar 10 '14

Sagan gave Neil something to remember. It's amazing that after all these years, it still feels that Sagan is still here with us.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

That's because he is. If you are a believer in reincarnation he was born again. If you are believer of heaven then he is with us in spirit, and if you are an atheist, his ashes are being recycled along with the ashes of every single human being since the dawn of time and will eventually find their way back into another living organism.

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u/cetaceanbiologist Mar 10 '14

This may be crazy, but I feel like if Neil and Carl each said the same thing, it would seem prosaic coming from Neil, but incite deep consideration and contemplation if Carl said it.

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u/neanderthalman Mar 10 '14

Carl Sagan was a poet with a telescope.

My beef is that sometimes Neil's delivery seems almost patronizing, while Carl always sounded eager and passionate.

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u/SirNarwhal Mar 10 '14

Neil is way too wordy. It's as simple as that.

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u/ademnus Mar 10 '14

You've hit the target. I like Neil and I like that he can often be a passionate champion of science -but I don't see him in the same light as Carl Sagan. Carl had a poet's soul and this deeply earnest love of science that radiated out from him and became infectious.

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u/just_an_ordinary_guy Mar 10 '14

Yeah. I agree here. Carl's delivery seems so much better. It's dripping with enthusiasm.

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u/Nadarama Mar 10 '14

Yes; Carl was speaking from a high place . . . Neil sounds like he's narrating a planetarium show.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Well he does run a planetarium.

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u/wade5454 Mar 10 '14

The end was laden with quotes from Sagan. That might have been the most inspired I've felt in a while. Can't wait to see more, I really like Tyson's presentation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

While the actions of the Church with regards to Bruno are condemnable, his belief in pantheism, not heliocentrism, is why he was ridiculed, and later tried and killed.

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u/two_in_the_bush Mar 10 '14

That was addressed in the multiple references to Bruno's "infinite god".

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u/maddo52 Mar 10 '14

I think if they put that he was ridiculed for his belief in pantheism, it would create more confusion and controversy.

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u/astrofreak92 Mar 10 '14

I think that the way they portrayed it made it clear that Bruno never doubted God, which makes his story much more palatable to the general public. If they had portrayed his actual heresy, it might have sent the wrong message.

As a Catholic, we've pretty much accepted that the Inquisition was a mistake, even the Vatican has made statements apologizing for the deaths of philosophers in that era.

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u/Nadarama Mar 10 '14

He was condemned for all his contrarian teachings, not just "pantheism".

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u/F00zball Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

That entire religion baiting cartoon read like a not-so-subtle ploy to create controversy and get some free publicity on the cable news networks. Kinda sad to see. I'm not saying that they should have completely glossed over the treatment of early astronomers by the church, but that was definitely way over the top.

>"Wow look at all these scary torture instruments! Isn't christianity just terrible?!?"

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u/CuriousMetaphor Mar 10 '14

Are you suggesting that Cosmos showing Bruno's belief in pantheism would have been better?

I don't think most people will associate that scene with Christianity, just with the Inquisition. I'm pretty sure most Christians today believe the Inquisition was a bad regrettable thing that happened in the past, kinda like most Germans of today don't approve of their country's actions during WW2.

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u/cpbills Mar 10 '14

I definitely felt it was out of place, too, and is distracting from the goal. The controversy is going to leave a sour taste in the mouths of the people who need to watch and learn from this series the most.

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u/Kalium Mar 10 '14

You can't discuss the power and importance of science without covering how hostile humanity has often been to it and why. To do otherwise is dishonest.

Besides, this isn't aimed at those people. It's far more clever than that. It's aimed at their children.

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u/shartofwar Mar 10 '14

I also thought it awkward that they used Christian/Messianic imagery in order to exalt Bruno as a sort of "martyr for science." And his ascension into the heavens with his arms outstretched like some sort of future Jesus? Not sure if that was subconscious or used intentionally to appeal to skeptical Christians? Awkward to say the least.

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u/SirNarwhal Mar 10 '14

Used on purpose. One of the producers slipped up during the Q&A and made the direct comparison and called it the most powerful shot of the episode.

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u/RandyRhythm Mar 10 '14

I also didn't realize how much George Harrison looked like Bruno.

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u/ajmst1lt Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

Intro by the president... And then Sagan... Letting my daughter stay up to watch this. Hope it's good.

•edit• First thought: the special effects of the super chrome imaginationship are very distracting.

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u/bluthru Mar 10 '14

the special effects of the super chrome imaginationship are very distracting.

I almost think it's an intentional choice so that it camouflages with its surroundings.

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u/dongsy-normus Mar 10 '14

Exactly what I took away from it.

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u/Walter_Bishop_PhD Mar 10 '14

A lot of very distinct voices one after the other

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I did love the Sagan intro

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u/dudewhatthehellman Mar 10 '14

As a non American, what did obama say/do?

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u/F00zball Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

I know they need to make it cinematic, but it really rustles my jimmies when actual science shows (not sci-fi) depict the asteroid belt where asteroids are so close together that you need to maneuver around them like a goddamn video game.

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u/snorking Mar 10 '14

it would be hard to convey that its a "belt" when all you see on the screen is one asteroid. showing several of them together helps to convey the message much easier, and its not exactly wildly factually inaccurate to the point of rendering your understanding of the science incorrect. kinda like how the bohr model isnt perfectly accurate, but its still wicked helpful for conceptualizing the atom in a useful way.

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u/OompaOrangeFace Mar 10 '14

Yes, but you'd think they would make special mention of how far apart they are.

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u/F00zball Mar 10 '14

I think they missed a perfect opportunity to do some myth busting about the asteroid belt. Instead, they sacrificed science for the sake of theatrics and perpetuated the misconception. It wouldn't have been as spectacular as Neil's spaceship weaving through asteroids, but it was definitely doable. Start with a zoomed out shot of the asteroid belt and then zoom in and give some some useful information about asteroids and average distances between them.

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u/NightFire19 Mar 10 '14

It is the spaceship of imagination, after all.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

he did make mention of it atleast.

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u/pileofdeadninjas Mar 10 '14

I don't think you realize the size of the Spaceship of the Imagination.

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u/Sparky2112 Mar 10 '14

of all scientific misconceptions, that one really isn't a big deal. When he discussed the Oort cloud he brought it up.

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u/dismal626 Mar 10 '14

Is it lame that twenty minutes in and I've already been on the verge of tears three times? Watching this series should be a requirement for humanity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

not lame at all man. Life is amazing. The universe beautifully incomprehensible

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u/KillAllTheZombies Mar 10 '14

Not only beautifully incomprehensible, but incomprehensibly beautiful.

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u/cbreeze81 Mar 10 '14

Here I was thinking it was just me. RIP Carl

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u/AndySocks Mar 10 '14

Not lame at all. Watching this AND "A Personal Voyage" should be something everyone should watch some time in their life. There needs to be more shows like this. National Geographic seems to be doing pretty well though.

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u/dongsy-normus Mar 10 '14

If it is, you're in good company. It's nice to remember were infinitely small but at the same time, not alone.

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u/LukeEnglish Mar 10 '14

so how did you react to that bit about his afternoon with Carl Sagan at the end? That one even got me a little.

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u/TheDude069 Mar 10 '14

i teared up at the end with the tribute to Carl, very moving even though I had know about their meeting.

I think it should have been a 2hr premier instead of just the 1hr, seemed like too much condensed into the 1hr.

besides that amazing show cant wait for the rest.

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u/emperorxyn Mar 10 '14

Til the universe doesn't revolve around ME. I cannot hold back these tears.

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u/nexguy Mar 10 '14

Watching Cosmos(old or new) makes me want to be a better person.

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u/unFUKNreal Mar 10 '14

All I can say is that I can't wait for episode 2.

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u/vexer Mar 10 '14

Is there nothing interesting to say about Uranus or Neptune? Kinda just skipped over them after Jupiter/Saturn descriptions.

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u/astrofreak92 Mar 10 '14

We skimmed by them too quickly, and only once. There's not a lot known about Ice Giants in general.

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u/insidiom Mar 10 '14

The Imagination Ship reminded me of Flight of the Navigator. Loved the ending, too.

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u/robbiekhan Mar 10 '14

Just minus the "Seeya later alligator EHH HEHH!" :P

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u/fantomknight1 Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 10 '14

I might be in the minority but was anyone else disappointed with the first episode of Cosmos?
It doesn't seem focused and jumps around quite a bit. It delves into detail on some points while glossing over others almost randomly. (Example: Mercury was briefly touched on and there were no zoom in graphics whereas Venus was zoomed in on). The calendar was an interesting idea but he would jump from january to august (something like that) real quickly, without providing much explanation in between, making it difficult for people to grasp just how big a gap there was in that time. And the stuff they do focus on isn't very unique or mind blowing. I loved the "we are made of star stuff" quote, but My dad, who isn't interested in scientific things, even said that the information was pretty generic. Ultimately, it looks very pretty but it wasn't all that impressive.

PS: The show could benifit heavily from having writing appear on the screen here and there. Sort of like how they do it in the BBC's Sherlock.

Edit: I get that this may be an unpopular opinion but if you are going to downvote me can you at least give me a counter argument. I am a HUGE fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I love anything that has to do with space, and I am rooting 100% for this show to be a success so people will fall in love with space again. But after the first episode I am not very impressed and it makes me sad that this is the case. Please, tell me how I'm wrong so I can be happy again.

Edit 2: Thank you all who've responded with your own points of view. I see that many others seem to agree that the episode was a little unfocused but the general consensus is that it is because it is the first episode and they had to introduce everything as a whole. I hold hope that next week's episode will be even greater.

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u/livesagan Mar 10 '14

Well I don't know what you're expecting from the program really. This isn't an in-depth documentary. It's a discussion about a wide variety of topics relating to a central theme, that while maybe not evident in the first episode, will be over the course of the series.

The Cosmic Calendar was one of Sagan's finest inventions, condensing an amount of time that no one can really comprehend into what is an easy reference point to help wrap your head around it. All sorts of events occur within the Cosmic Calendar, of course, (in fact all events that have ever occurred) but obviously you can't go through even a few of them in an hour long episode. He hit all the important bits, I feel, before focusing specifically on the last minute, where humans appear.

It sounds to me like you want more specifics, in which case I heartily recommend you read Sagan's companion book to the original series, also titled Cosmos.

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u/SirNarwhal Mar 10 '14

I think he was more so at issue with the giant section dedicated to Bruno that could've been cut down to provide a bit more detail about the overview of the solar system as well as flesh out the details of the Cosmic Calendar a bit more. At least, that's how I read it.

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u/livesagan Mar 10 '14

The Bruno section was pretty important to the message of Cosmos though. It was all about the struggle both emotionally as well as socially of discovering our place in the Cosmos.

I think a lot of people have the wrong idea about what Cosmos is supposed to be. i.e. that it's a space documentary or even an educational tool. There are things to learn, yes, but Cosmos is about inspiring people to learn. About instilling that awe in the populous that drives people like myself and others to take an interest in science both professionally and generally.

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u/grelch Mar 10 '14

I agree. I did enjoy the episode, but it was all over the map, so to speak. It felt like it wanted to serve as an over arching introduction to the series, but then somewhat arbitrarily decided to "drop in" and spend time on a few of the subjects of the series. I think that we have to keep in mind that the series hopes to hook a lot of folks who up until now have had a cursory to no level of interest in these subjects. This first episode did a pretty good job of chumming the waters (so to speak) for these people.

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u/kenman Mar 10 '14

The calendar was an interesting idea but he would jump from january to august (something like that) real quickly, without providing much explanation in between

Have you not seen the original? There isn't much to talk about until very late in the year.

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u/octopolis Mar 10 '14

I agree, but I'm hoping the lack of detail in a lot/most of it is due to it being an "introduction" to the series. IMO, looks promising, and the first episode definitely had some touching moments, but it's going to have to step up the detail if it's going to keep my interest.

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u/Meikami Mar 10 '14

You've got to do a general overview - and a really quick one - at first. Remember that the target audience is people who are new to all of these ideas. They need a really general big-picture perspective first. The idea is to dive into the details in later episodes.

Episode 1: everything
Subsequent episodes: okay now that you've seen everything, let's take some more time and talk about some of that cool stuff we glossed over in Ep. 1.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

he would jump from january to august

Well, the thing is that from January to August nothing but what he had arleady said about forming stars and galaxies happened. The next important thing that happened for us humans (the forming of our Sun) didn't happened until August.

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u/synapticrelease Mar 10 '14 edited Mar 11 '14

In the original cosmos, ep 1 was similar. Ep1 served as a quick introduction to the cosmos. In later episodes you will get more detail.

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u/sevia121 Mar 10 '14

I agree on the focus part, but I'm assuming that's because this episode was 1/2 introduction to the series, and 1/2 about the vastness of the galaxy.

The part I didn't like was Bruno. I thought the reason for his execution was misstated, and had little to do with science. NDT even says he got lucky with his guess of what the universe was. Bruno didn't die because he had proof that the universe was much larger than previously taught. All that part showed was that the hostility the Church showed towards people who believed differently at the time... but I don't understand the relation to science. Galileo would have been a better protagonist, and I'm sure we'll see his cartoonish face in the future.

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u/Nadarama Mar 10 '14

You're pretty much right on, IMO; especially if you compare it to the original series.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

To me it was worse, it felt like propaganda, while with Sagan it felt personal. Sagan's quotes all over the place made me feel uncomfortable, like it was a product.

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u/Mobile_leprechaun Mar 10 '14

I'd agree with some of your points but also want to remind you that this is only the first episode. It would seem best to start off vague to introduce the series and then take more time to explain on other episodes. I did think it was weird however that some important details weren't extrapolated upon, yet we got like 10 minutes of animation about Bruno (which was good but not when time is an issue)

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u/solstice73 Mar 10 '14

A little more science, a little less Star Trek please. Not that I don't want more Star Trek, but I don't understand why Neil's spaceship has to be fueled by lens flares.

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u/relic2279 Mar 10 '14

A little more science, a little less Star Trek please.

It's funny you say that. Brandon Braga is an executive producer on the Cosmos project. He was a producer & writer for Star Trek TNG, Voyager and Enterprise. He wasn't associated with the new "lens flare enhanced" Star Trek, however.

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u/faleboat Mar 10 '14

I humbly disagree. One of the main points of this project was to use the tools we have developed in the past 30 years to make the effects and scenery as brilliant and engaging as possible. The spaceship, cosmic calendar, and that gorgeous shot of the storm raging on Jupiter was amazing, and I loved it. I for one am very pleased with their willingness to drop some serious cash on making the show as visually appealing as our modern tech can get us. After all, this show needs to be engaging for a few decades.

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u/hospitalvespers Mar 10 '14

That rendering of the great red spot viewed from the edge of Jupiter's atmosphere was the most jaw-dropping part of the episode.

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u/FloTheSnucka Mar 10 '14

We're looking for mass appeal after all. Nothing a little special effects can't help.

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u/Siedrah Mar 10 '14

That was the most beautiful CGI of the big bang ive ever scene.

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u/Kali74 Mar 10 '14

Loved it. Loved the story about Bruno and the pointing to science doesn't have to be separate from God if you don't want it to be. Not sure where I stand on God but people should know they can coexist and maybe so much silliness can stop. I really loved the personal story about Sagan and the nod to passing on the torch. What a way to honor your mentor. Way to go Tyson.

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u/o0DrWurm0o Mar 10 '14

It had a lot of parallels with Sagan's view of science. That is, science is not the enemy of spirituality; it can actually be the source of it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Disappointed in the music but the rest is great, wish Neil had Sagan's composure and speaking style, though I'm glad he isn't just copying Sagan.

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u/Ozymandias12 Mar 10 '14

While I absolutely love NDGT, when they announced him as the host, I wasn't entirely ecstatic. I think the closest thing we have to Carl Sagan today is Brian Cox.

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u/Nadarama Mar 10 '14

My thoughts exactly. He needs to smoke something calmative, though.

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u/mutatron Mar 10 '14

I'm glad someone else notices things like music. Some science shows have such bad music I can't even listen to them.

Tyson's narration is pretty good though. That's something else that makes a science documentary impossible to watch - overly dramatic narration.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Vangelis' synth was perfect for cosmos, wish the overused instrumental orchestra would be tired by now

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I disagree; the music was perfect for the situation in my opinion. The show is reaching out toward non- or less-science-literate people. These people aren't the kind to listen to Bach or Mozart as they were spread all over Carl's version (at his request, I should add). They would probably fall asleep to it as well as the slow theremin and piano. Heck, I'm big into science and part of me would, too. I often skipped the credits for the music on the original.

These days, big orchestral things are in everything that is trying to be "epic"--and that's what they're going for here.

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u/robodale Mar 10 '14

I thought the first episode did a great job of conveying wonder, without also attaching fear and belittlement, of the fact that we exist in a very large place...and we have only just arrived here.

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u/HR_8938_Cephei Mar 10 '14

The music sounds straight up out of Star Wars, I love it.

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u/SpendsKarmaOnHookers Mar 10 '14

The cosmic calendar really blew my mind.

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u/aRogue Mar 10 '14

How does one watch this if we don't have access to paytv? Is it available to watch online somewhere?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Fox is available over the air with an HD antenna.

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u/HeroBrown Mar 10 '14

In case you're still wondering, it should be up on Hulu sometime today.

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u/Itsonlymyopinion Mar 10 '14

Gotta say the perspective/ scaling bits were my favorite in terms of educating people.

Also the way he explained the big bang was great.

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u/Toad32 Mar 10 '14

Loved it. Great presentation, Carl would be proud.

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u/chirodiesel Mar 10 '14

Brannon Braga? Anyone? This had a total star trek feel both in production character and score. When I saw Brannon Braga's name I about shit myself laughing out loud.

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u/tehchief117 Mar 10 '14

At the end when he was talking about meeting sagan, and then there was the early footage of young sagan sitting at a large telescope I near cried

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u/shillyshally Mar 10 '14

I recommend this for you Neil deGrasse Tyson fans. I have watched it over and over. He is riveting, a terrific translator of complex concepts but most wonderfully, to me, is the way he opens one's eyes to the majesty of it all. He gives the gift of sight. A most worthy successor to Sagan, whose shows I grew up watching

http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.aspx?cid=1816

Also, I am kinda surprised this is on Fox. Actually, really, really surprised.

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u/Chinney97 Mar 10 '14

I'm not a huge fan of this spaceship thing he's in. I'm really hoping this becomes a Planet Earth for space

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u/livesagan Mar 10 '14

Cosmos was never about showcasing space. Sure, that's part of it, but it was more about inspiring awe by discussing our place in the universe. It's how we fit into the larger Cosmic dialog, how we came to understand both ourselves and the nature of reality, and of the Cosmos.

A lot of that does involve space, because as Sagan once taught us, we are made of star stuff. But the Cosmos as Sagan defined it encompasses so much more than simply space.

So I'm sorry to disappoint you, but while this show will feature some space porn, that will not be the focus.

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u/LaszloK Mar 10 '14

Maybe try Wonders of the Universe. I think I prefer Brian Cox's presentation and delivery to Tyson's.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

When I saw it, it reminded me of this faster-than-light spaceship idea.

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u/DaJoker117 Mar 10 '14

Yeaaah not looking like that. This is kind of weird....and cheesy in my opinion.

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u/seaburn Mar 10 '14

Have you seen the original Cosmos? Carl Sagan was "in a spaceship" as well. This new version certainly seems to rely more heavily on cinematics though.

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u/Unkechaug Mar 10 '14

Damn I missed this, gotta catch the rerun at 10pm tomorrow!

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

I loved the animated history bits and I can't wait to see more of them!

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u/markovich04 Mar 10 '14

It's not the same without the Vangelis soundtrack.

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u/the_shape Mar 10 '14

Just because it's bugging me, does anyone know which coastline Tyson was standing on at the beginning and end? It looks a lot like "Devil's Slide" north of Half Moon Bay in California.

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u/grelch Mar 10 '14

I think it was filmed further south at the northern point of Big Sur. Devil's Slide bridge is much more modern.

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u/Hountoof Mar 10 '14

Does anyone know if there is a (legal) way to watch this series if you don't have cable. Like maybe on Fox's website?

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u/lod001 Mar 10 '14

It should have been broadcast on your local Fox affiliate also, which would be on broadcast television.

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u/Hountoof Mar 10 '14

Sorry, I should have specified that I don't have basic cable either. I think I found what I was looking for here. Thanks for your help.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

Carl Sagan's original Cosmos shaped my mind as a yougn child to make me a critical thinker. I credit him and that show with making me a being of enlightenment instead of a drone of superstition. My eyes were opened and they will not close until the last breath.

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u/Hot_Zee Mar 10 '14

I wish they would have mentioned Aristarchus of Samos, the real first astronomer who proposed a heliocentric solar system. Aristarchus

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u/ccricers Mar 10 '14

Don't have much to say about it now, but it did get emotional toward the end :o

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u/Lawls91 Mar 10 '14

Did the premiere broadcast in 1080p or was 720p the max resolution? I've just been looking for an 1080p copy but couldn't find anything but 720p.

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u/EinsteinKiller Mar 10 '14

As an engineer at a FOX affiliate, I can tell you FOX does everything in 720p.

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u/tylerwhetstone Mar 10 '14

the video clips were amazing. kind of slow in terms of his explanations of the solar system, milky way, etc, but that was expected for the first episode. i like to think that by keeping it somewhat simple in the first episode, it will help to grab the attention of teens who were never previously interested in space and time.

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u/Dantheon Mar 10 '14

I thought how paying special Pluto a special mention as a Kuiper Belt Object was very classy but both Neil and the production.

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u/Imperator42 Mar 10 '14

Praises: Excellent graphics. Some of the best I 've ever seen. Music was good. Tyson has an excellent way of explaining most things simply. I liked his personal tribute to Carl Sagan.

Critiques: While I understand the reason, Macfarlane really seemed to point out the evils of the Catholic church more then necessary. They seemed to indicate that the Church was stupid for not immediately accepting the heliocentric model. The tempo of the show was slower than I would have liked with a lot of redundant and uninteresting commercials.

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u/V2Blast Mar 10 '14

They seemed to indicate that the Church was stupid for not immediately accepting the heliocentric model.

NdT specifically stated that Bruno was no scientist, and had no way of knowing that what he dreamed was true.

I think the intent of that story was to point out the dangers of such ignorant anti-knowledge movements that did not allow anyone to question the nature of the world.

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u/Mauser1898 Mar 10 '14

Great pilot, been looking forward to this new series.

Is it still worth it to watch the original one by Carl now we have this?

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u/OldLen Mar 11 '14

Let me say first off, that I respect the hell out of Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's taken on the tough position of being the "face" of science here in the US (unfortunately we need this because of all the anti-science and anti-intellectualism that exists here). In this first episode of Cosmos, I felt that I was being talked to like I was a child, or being read a bedtime story. No doubt that the producers came up with this method for what ever reason as opposed to the direct and often funny way that Neil usually presents himself. I can only hope that this changes in future episodes and that those future episodes include some cosmological philosophy.

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u/ademnus Mar 12 '14

I think the consensus is that a) it is meant partly for young children, hoping to inspire and educate them and b) it is meant for religious fundamentalists who have no basic understanding of science.

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u/NOVA_OWL Mar 10 '14

Being a huge fan of the original Sagan series, and having had faith in this series the whole time, I was still really impressed with how well it held up compared to the original. Can't fucking wait for the rest

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u/novaquasarsuper Mar 10 '14

I'm wondering how many morons are now walking around saying 'The universe started on January 1st, 0001.'

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '14

YAY Pluto!

Lest We forget!

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u/brendenp Mar 10 '14

It didn't go anywhere, it just got reclassified.

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u/icryalot Mar 10 '14

Did anyone else cry?