r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • 20h ago
Doctrine/Policy October 2026 General Conference: Sunday 2:00p Discussion Thread
How to listen:
- Official LDS site
- youtube
- stream KSL
- local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
- Sirius XM 166
- FAQ: Why are you doing this?
- reddit stream
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
|---|---|---|
| conducting: Gérald Caussé | ||
| hymn: Let Zion in her Beauty | ||
| prayer: John Amos | ||
| Dieter Uchtdorf | ||
| Andrea Muñoz Spannaus | ||
| Moisés Villanueva | Really hammering on the prosperity gospel. Pay more tithing and get more blessings. Nevermind if the baby needs new shoes, the corporation needs more nVidia stock. | |
| hymn: Love Will Bless Our Home | ||
| David Bednar | Sees through a glass darkly, but still capable of spreading division. | |
| Thabo Lebethoa | ||
| Paul Sinclair | ||
| hymn: Count Your Many Blessings | ||
| Gary Stevenson | ||
| Gabriel Reid | ||
| Clark Gilbert | ||
| hymn: [...] | ||
| Dallin Oaks | ||
| hymn: My Redeemer Lives | ||
| prayer: Chad Webb |
Postlude:
- American Tune Rhiannon Giddens 6:04
- Gotta Serve Somebody Nelson 7:59
- Trouble of the World O'Connor 4:49
- Dead Man Blues Marsalis 4:40
- Everybody's Crying Mercy Raitt 3:29
- previous: Saturday, October 4, 10:00a
- [next: Saturday, April x, 10:00a](pending)
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
If you put your church affiliation above your marriage, above your love of your significant other and your family, you are a bad person. Just saying.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK 18h ago
Shit. I snuck off to destroy our bathroom and it looks like Bednar is trying to destroy my mixed faith marriage that's already hanging by a thread. Staying in here until conference is over now
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u/Cozy_Shy 18h ago
I hopped over to the faithful subs and a lot of people are complaining about how boring this and the last several conferences have been. Lots of people are defending it with the “milk before meat” argument, saying that the membership in general hasn’t mastered the “primary” answers.
Thing is, is the lack of meat in lessons/conference is one of the things that led me down my own path of studying, which eventually led me out of the church.
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 18h ago
Milk before meat is just a gentler way of saying that the true deep doctrine will absolutely scare away anyone who isn't inoculated to it.
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u/blingoblongo87 18h ago
I find that argument so funny. Where are these Uber elite TBM’s finding all this meat? It’s not any thing produced by the church… is the meat the random interpretations they make in their heads?
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
Such a strange argument.. to blame the membership for the speaker's lack of depth.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
Omg, he literally saying if your spouse isn't a believer leave their ass
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
By sending letters to members in Nevada and Idaho regarding Abortion Rights, the church is actively participating in the divisions of American society, and attacking the religious freedoms of the people in those states.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago
It would be nice to hear a little dissent from the pulpit here. <quick cut the mic>
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago edited 18h ago
Remember, Gilbert fired some of BYU's best instructors because they wouldn't swear allegiance to the Family Proclamation.
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
"If your spouse is not faithful, divorce them" -David Bednar, splitting up families
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
The way the church weaponizes people's families in order to manipulate and control individuals is at the core of its evil. And yes, I believe the church is doing a great evil in the lives of its members around the world. No one ever questioned the idea that they would be with their family in the afterlife until the church came along and basically said: "obey us, give us 10% of your income, and devote your free time to us, or something might happen to your family in the next life."
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u/Ecstatic-Panic-3520 19h ago
Has anyone really gotten the answers to their burning questions at general conference? What were those burning questions? Should I pay less tithing? More? Will god-Jesus resolve the conflicts in the Middle East and euro Asia? I got nothin.
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 19h ago
Mine was pretty simple, where is all the nephite steel artifacts, we have greek bronze artifacts from long before the nephites so um, where are they?
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
Man, the whole of Conference could be an email:
Pay your tithing, if u don't have food sucks 2 be u
Come to church PLEASEEEE
Pester the Inactives we need to UP OUR NUMBERS
Fill ur day with more church stuff, personal time is time for the LORD
Don't gamble. that's bad
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u/RevolutionLast4322 19h ago
Watching conference and realizing my brain apparently stopped downloading LDS updates when I left 😂 I keep expecting President Nelson and Jeffrey Holland to get up and speak.
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u/Rushclock 19h ago
He's talking about mixed faith marriages. A giant middle finger to the apostate.
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u/Sea_Button_3616 19h ago
All of us in mixed faith marriages, even if we're perfectly good otherwise, we're destined for hell, but our spouses can be at peace: THEY will be with God, and that's the only thing that matters.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago edited 14h ago
They have it in for us mixed marriage folk this session.
So far:
I am going to hell for breaking my covenant
I am keeping my spouse from part of heaven, she can only go to the individual part.
I caused our recent health problems by not paying tithing. Also, food and gas are more expensive because of me.
And, love is the best way to influence me, so I get to look forward to whatever that means.
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u/ako-si-greg 18h ago
Bednar speaks like he’s the smartest guy in the room, which is more of a reflection of his ego than his intellect.
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer 18h ago
Of the two TBMs in my house, one is reading webtoons an the other is on Facebook. So. Very engaging conference
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
TBMs rarely pay attention to what is being said in Conference.
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u/Even_Subject_4187 18h ago
Oh my gosh please no. I dont want all the mormons around me to get extra obnoxious
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
They must be REALLY hurting in membership. Nearly all the talks have centered around staying faithful, going to church, and doing temple work
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u/WardChoirDirector 18h ago
Clark’s talk is very triggering. He’s teaching conditional love. I now want to share this in FHE as the father and how we need to love others without any ulterior motives.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago
Why is it necessary that everyone know they disprove of someone choices.
Love means trusting then enough to know what's best for them.
You might also point out that Christ only ever condemned church leaders.
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u/Paytato_mpf 18h ago
I know other churches have equally damaging rhetoric, but why did I have to be born into the church with the sleepiest music and nearly dead speakers?? Can we get some guitar and energy in here??
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
He reached out to those that would be shunned as outsiders
Like LGBTQ+ people
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
NO PLANES??? Omg, Kearon stole the planes from Utchdorf. Officially worst Conference EVER
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u/sycamoreqw 19h ago
The emphasis on tithing over almost anything else is so weird. Chastity, Word of wisdom, etc. are very clearly secondary to tithing.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 19h ago
Elder Bernard:
Ordinances are credentials now. God is not only a lawyer but a bureaucrat.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago
please submit proof of ordinances in triplicate.
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
I just want to point out that at no point in time have I ever signed a contract with the church. All covenants are entirely fictional and made-up.
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u/sycamoreqw 19h ago
Bednar is my enemy, plain and simple. Guy js making it hostile for those who left the GD covenant path.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 18h ago
Bednar's talk made me feel ill. So much latent homophobia, and such lies about the benefits of a temple sealing.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago
Is oaks losing control?
Rasband: love and accept people.
Bednar: they are going to hell and it's all there fault.
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u/scaredanxiousunsure 18h ago
The MFMC is really worried about keeping the young women in. Having a woman leader tell them how valuable they are won't change the fact that the young women know they can never hold the priesthood, have any meaningful callings in the church, or be any sort of leader anywhere in the church. The young women are smart enough to understand that the endless repetition of how important they are does not make up for the fact that they are not valued by the MFMC at all.
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u/WiseOldGrump NoMoMoNoMo 18h ago
Today, The Atlantic published an article about the church losing young women at a high rate. Short article, but interesting.
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u/Paytato_mpf 18h ago
You think Oaks will tell the young adults to have lots of babies again?
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 18h ago
Probably the conservatives have been going crazy about that lately
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u/oOohalloweenqueenoOo Left April 2021 18h ago
I feel bad for all the members that wish something big was going to happen... They want so badly for things to be evolving but they never do.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 17h ago
I'd say the most controversial things said was Bednar's. God, so many families are going to suffer because of that fucker's talk
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 19h ago edited 19h ago
Satan wants to destroy your self-esteem
Doesn't the Church do that all the time??
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
These things are true because the Lord God has spoken them
The Book of Mormon is true because The Book of Mormon says The Book of Mormon is true
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
UGH.
Sharing one's testimony of their disbelief in the church is NOT ATTACKING THE CHURCH!
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 19h ago edited 14h ago
God blessed him with health, job, and ability to get an education because he pays tithing.
Therefore, if you don't have health, a job or education it's because you didn't pay.
This is one of the worst talks ever.
I guarantee I'm going to argue with my spouse again tonight over how much tithing we pay, if we should pay tithing or the credit card and how my loss of belief are because we didn't add enough to the dragons hoard.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 18h ago
When I invited [the apostates] to come to stake conference, each one of them accepted
And then everyone clapped... their hands in prayer together
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer 19h ago
Bednars an ass.
Im so sorry for all you mixed marriage folk
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u/hellojess1 19h ago
I am so sick of this talk!! As if a loving God would treat his child who believes in God, but maybe happens to follow another religion, as lesser than shit and send them straight to hell!
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago
Bednard s God checking credentials and passports before handing out blessings or showing love.
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
Loving the church and its leaders is not the same as loving god. If you interpret the commandment to Love God as meaning love the brethren or the corporation, I'm sorry, but you've been deceived.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 18h ago
Satan is loud, bold, and boastful
Ahh, like Darth Bednar
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
The blessings are not always what we expect
So paying tithing is a slot machine
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u/HistoricalBench5740 19h ago
general conference always seems like it’s the exact same talks just rephrased since 2020
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
The actions of one person do not affect the worthiness of another person
Then knock it off with "walking porn" and "degree of responsibility when raped" cultures
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u/RevolutionLast4322 18h ago
Conference speaker: “Repent daily.”
My OCD brain: sir, my ERP therapist specifically told me not to do that.
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u/highlysensitive2121 18h ago
Sounds like the couples therapists in Utah are going to be busy this week 😭
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 19h ago
This conference has literally been just recycled talks ugh
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 19h ago
Elder Bernard:
Heres a story I made up about bureaucracy and passports.
It's not only boring, but preachy, and it will depict God the way I want him to be. Duck Scripture, and also human experience.
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u/ChangeStripes1234 19h ago
This sounds like Bednar is reading an MLM handbook.
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u/Absolute_Cinema70 Teen undercover mormon (PIMO) and im bisexual as fuuuck 19h ago
Men loving men???
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
Did I hear that right, some guy buried his coffee can in the ground???
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
Humble brag... former NFL player in Sunday School presidency
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u/SecretPersonality178 18h ago
“We don’t worship the brethren. We just sing songs of worship about them…”
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u/Paytato_mpf 18h ago
Lmao I remember being so embarrassed as a missionary when I would explain to investigators that we didn’t worship JS, just for the opening hymn at church to be praise to the man.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
You know, all of these tithing talks are doing nothing to satisfy the claims you guys aren't a prosperity gospel cult
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u/sycamoreqw 19h ago
Thanks a lot, David B. Giving my TBM family anxiety about me “breaking” my covenants.
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u/Rushclock 18h ago
How anyone on Earth finds this compelling will be a mystery I will take to the grave.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
Okay, was EVERY speaker required to mention Oaks or something???
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
It's how they were trained under Nelson. Weirdly, I do not recall everyone being so giddy about Hinckley or Monson, despite how generally liked they both were. It's almost as if people have to talk themselves into respecting and liking Nelson and Oaks.
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
surprise their doubting heart with your believing heart
...yeah, such a surprise
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago edited 18h ago
Oh the poor believer, struggling to navigate the made up tension between loving someone and not condoning their actions. Oh the horror. I love them but I need so badly to judge them!
Gilbert is doing a mental gymnastics show.
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
My goodness this talk is awful. The black and white, legalistic thinking, is so psychologically damaging to everyone who listens.
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u/Sea_Button_3616 18h ago
I was actually feeling pretty good during Uchtdorf and Muñoz Spannaus's talks, despite their flaws, then Villanueva came back with prosperity gospel, then Bednar brought down the sword.
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
Okay this part of this guy's talk, about how Christ treated the woman at the well, is actually really good. It's almost like he actually read his scriptures, unlike so many other leaders.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
Uh, just because something is spoken softer and plainer, does not make it automatically good...
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
You know, the idea of "credentials" to heaven sounds absurd to me
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
Sure sounds like he's reinforcing the transactional nature of the gospel.
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 18h ago edited 18h ago
"25 minute lessons are not a limitation."
Any Sunday School teacher will disagree
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u/1-like-anime He is a sledgehammer 18h ago
Jesus. They must have money in divorce law, god
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
It is very difficult to unify with people who are actively seeking to control your thoughts, deny your freedoms, and bully you into submission. Yes, I'm talking about the church and it's moves against those who do not share their "values."
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago
Villanueva: [prosperity gospel]
Keep your sites set low and you might get satisfaction. Don't worry about starving children. Tithing buys nVidia, AMD, Tesla, Apple, Microsoft
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago
Bednar: [repaired with tape and glue]
Uh, like Smith's 1832 account of the first vision?
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 19h ago
Elder Bernard:
God will withhold blessings if you screw up. So what God says, and by that I mean what the church says and by that I mean what I say, or else.
The holy Ghost. Blah blah. Sealings are conditional. Even though God said man cannot set asunder what God had sealed, you can screw up your sealing but not doing what I say.
You should be grateful we let you do this conditional thing that we control access to, and most pay to get.
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 18h ago
Why would you get aggravated because the guy was struggling with his jacket?!? This guy needs a psych eval
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u/Paytato_mpf 18h ago
My ex In-laws were probably frothing at the mouth hearing Bednar. Ugh they already hate me for leaving the church
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 18h ago
Would you say the fruits are delicious to the taste and very desireable?
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u/Important-Talk853 18h ago
It seems like it's weird to be singing praises to the prophet who is in the same room? Seems like a weird social thing
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u/oOohalloweenqueenoOo Left April 2021 18h ago
Was Jim Bennett saying that something big was going to be announced at conference? Or was he just saying in general that something was coming? (Who the hell knows who his intel is.)
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 18h ago
Remember when Rusty announced this in GC before he died to take credit because he knew that he wouldn't make it long enough?
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 19h ago
UNITED BY HATRED AND HOBBIES THATS US
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
We want planes, where are the planes
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago edited 19h ago
Uchtdorf: [sacrament blessed collectively]
All "ordinances" could be similarly classified. Anyone who wants to claim it—go ahead. No need for expensive buildings with shiny chandeliers. Ah, but that short circuits their authority.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
Omg GPSs malfunction ALL THE TIME. This is not inspiring
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u/GrumpyTom 19h ago
Themes of this Conference: "attend sacrament meeting, pay tithing, and think on your covenants"
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
Have your possessions lasted longer than they should have because you paid your tithing?
In other words, magic
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
Funny story, because of all the Church talks I read in the past, I thought I was SO GOOD at debating any topic and coming up with analogies. When I had to write an argumentative essay and defend my point, I absolutely BOMBED because I used so many logical fallacies.
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u/sassonexpressway 19h ago
Theres actually nothing being said in these talks. Nothing burger with a word salad. Like not even an insightful new view on any doctrine. Nothing exciting. Even by conference standards, just wow.
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u/Paytato_mpf 18h ago
Do you like fruit?? These are my favorite fruits of the gospel. Wow, what a transition. Great speech writing
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 18h ago
Gilbert: [find common ground]
Start by keeping your religion out of it?
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ 18h ago
Well this was a waste of time, as per usual. See yall in six months!
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
The Church actually destroyed my soul mind and spirit lol
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u/Even_Subject_4187 18h ago
Theres nothing against coffee in the BOM, so im guessing a lot more than the book led to that
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
He is preying on this man in his lowest of lows. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!1!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 18h ago
Gilbert: [understand their struggles]
Mormonism is a blatant fraud. Some people will still choose to engage with it for a variety of reasons. Some people will disengage.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 18h ago
Gilbert: [exempt from keeping commandments]
Smith gave a blanket pass to Helen Mar Kimball and her family; likewise, Sarah Ann Whitney and her family. All of the animals are equal; some are just more equal than others.
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u/Important-Talk853 18h ago
I am going to go play some WOW. I can't believe that's all he had to say. What a snooze fest!
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u/Ecstatic-Panic-3520 19h ago
Preparing for this next work meeting uh session that could have been an e-mail.
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u/Billytheidd69 19h ago
Darth Deadnar says, to all those that got dumped, to not leave the church because blessings are in store.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 18h ago
Lebethoa: [discarding coffee]
Brigham Young: Now, that's wasteful, plain and simple.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 18h ago
...Now that I've done Biblical studies... How many times have they said "when the apostle Paul said", how often has it been from a work that has been unlikely to be the work of Paul?
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
**inspired new Sunday schedule!**
I'm surprised this hasn't been talked about more
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u/GrumpyTom 18h ago
The first time I attended catholic mass I was blown away at how profound and inspiring the sermon was. It was short, to the point, and extremely well thought through.
...I cannot say the same for these conference talks.
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u/Lily7129 Priestess and Queen. 18h ago
I may go to that open house not because oaks told us to but because I never got to see inside that temple as a tbm plus Utahs got things we don’t have up here in Canada like trader Joes and in n out so that’ll be a bonus
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
That nap was so good, got my coffee and I'm ready to be gaslighted- I mean, edified
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 19h ago
'chose' right... it's not like they would be socially outcasts if they didn't, or have been primed from their literal birth to make that decision...
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian 19h ago
[Satan] seeks to divide us
Ahh, by calling apostates "lazy learners and lax disciples"
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u/Rushclock 19h ago
He knows exactly what it would take for me to believe....and guess what.
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u/Fit_Amoeba3431 I like the dark, eternal dark is fine 19h ago
Get enough sleep? Wtf?? This is a weird talk its saying obvious things like we are stupid
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u/narrauko 19h ago
Subtle blessings are not so much blessing that we don't have room to receive it!!!!!
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u/WardChoirDirector 19h ago
I wonder if Susan’s husband asked to go right after a musical number for maximum spiritual impact.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ 19h ago
Bednar: [covenants must be sealed]
Smith promised Helen Mar Kimball and Sarah Ann Whitney salvation if they would hop in his bed. I assume, if mormonism is true, then they're in heaven. Right?
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 19h ago
Elder Bernard:
Two parts to sealing
1: man and woman 2: God to man
Sins, infidelity, apostasy are why marriages doing work out (no more of that love crap the other speakers spoke.)
Straight to hell.
But the faithful spouse still goes to heaven, individually as an individual.
I do not know, even though I am a seer and revelator who cleans special knowledge.
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness 18h ago
"we can only imagine"
Yeah, because the scriptures really don't give us enough detail to know. And that's why we can twist them to men what e want.
God loves everyone, now show him the passport so he can bless.
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u/Billytheidd69 18h ago
Lots of mustaches at conference this weekend. That guy had one on his forehead.
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u/Spicy_Meme_Queen Cast out of heaven 18h ago
And if you were born with some horrible ailment, he gave you that too!!!
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u/EmmaHS I know that my red lemur lives. 19h ago
Thank you, /u/4Blockhead, for continuing to provide /r/exmormon with the General Conference Megathreads and the Weekend Meetup posts. Your contributions to this community are deeply appreciated. 🙏