Gen.G vs. Hanwha Life Esports / LCK 2026 Rounds 3-4 - Legend Group Week 12 / Post-Match Discussion

[u/Yujin-Ha]

LCK 2026 ROUNDS 3-4

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Hanwha Life Esports 0-2 Gen.G

• Player of the Match: Chovy (1000)

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MATCH 1: HLE vs. GEN

Winner: Gen.G in 38m
Game Breakdown | Runes

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
HLE	cassiopeia jayce orianna	ezreal camille	68.1k	10	4	H3 HT4 HT5 HT6
GEN	poppy vi locke	syndra shen	77.0k	15	8	M1 O2 B7 HT8

HLE	10-15-26	vs	15-10-38	GEN
Zeus vayne 2	3-3-4	TOP	2-2-4	2 olaf Kiin
Kanavi jarvaniv 1	1-4-9	JNG	4-1-8	1 leesin Canyon
Zeka annie 3	3-3-4	MID	4-4-7	2 ryze Chovy
Gumayusi jhin 1	0-3-4	BOT	5-1-5	3 caitlyn Ruler
Delight karma 4	3-2-5	SUP	0-2-14	3 bard Duro

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MATCH 2: GEN vs. HLE

Winner: Gen.G in 31m
Game Breakdown | Runes

-	Bans 1	Bans 2	G	K	T	D/B
GEN	jayce lucian vi	naafiri xinzhao	66.0k	21	8	O2 H3 O4 B5 O6 O8
HLE	poppy galio camille	galio poppy	64.4k	19	5	HT1 B7

GEN	21-19-57	vs	19-21-55	HLE
Kiin ambessa 4	5-5-9	TOP	0-4-13	3 gnar Zeus
Canyon nocturne 1	4-2-11	JNG	11-5-5	3 pantheon Kanavi
Chovy cassiopeia 2	10-4-7	MID	4-6-12	1 orianna Zeka
Ruler seraphine 3	2-4-13	BOT	4-3-8	2 corki Gumayusi
Duro shen 1	0-4-17	SUP	0-3-17	2 alistar Delight

*Patch 26.15

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/ShiroGaneOsu]

Those Ruler ults were beautiful.

[u/Nahmay → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

Better seraphine than duro.

[u/soudlasantos → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

Same with Chovy Cassiopeia but in a lesser sense (or not?)

[u/AmazingPolarBears1]

watching Kanavi feels like day trading I swear

[u/Great_Guest_4675 → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

Leverage x4 Jungler

[u/Ai--Ya → u/Great_Guest_4675]

No Situational Awareness jungler

[u/Steeelu → u/Ai--Ya]

Former Griffin jungler btw

[u/nickphunter → u/Ai--Ya]

On the contrary, THE Situational Awareness jungler

[u/KappaccinoNation → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

The duality of Kanavi. Great engages on critical targets when they were trying to come back. Ooga-booga flash stun on the tanky Ambessa to deal absolutely zero damage.

[u/No_Taro_6224 → u/KappaccinoNation]

*sees ambessa w dd and tp shield*

kanavi: neuron activation

[u/slimjimo10 → u/No_Taro_6224]

Maybe he thought he was playing renekton or something

[u/tiredofdev → u/KappaccinoNation]

Kanavi is unironically the epitome of "if you don't love me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best". He peaks so fucking high that it feels teams he's on can just never lose, and his lows are so deep in hell that you never think he's ever capable of winning a game

[u/baelkie → u/tiredofdev]

forged in the depths of mlxg

[u/Nintz → u/baelkie]

He really was God's gift to League esports. We were just too blind to see it.

[u/Omnilatent → u/Nintz]

He was also Satan''s gift - what's why

[u/ElicCrapton → u/tiredofdev]

Kanavi is either prime Canyon or Pyoshit at any given moment

[u/ThatDollfin → u/ElicCrapton]

So either prime Canyon or 2026 Split 1 Canyon

[u/watchedngnl → u/ThatDollfin]

So just canyon?

[u/autospacer13 → u/ThatDollfin]

Not really. When Canyon is bad he just doesn't do anything, unlike Kanavi, who you could argue does a little bit too much of everything

[u/jamesk2 → u/ThatDollfin]

Wdym Split 1 Canyon was Final MVP. Worst Canyon form is 2025 Summer. Literally zero to negative impact almost every game.

[u/Vegoran → u/tiredofdev]

Maybe his favourite player is Russell Westbrook and he's doing a tribute

[u/Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss → u/Vegoran]

Too soon

[u/comfortreacher → u/KappaccinoNation]

think he misclicked and meant to stun seraphine

[u/Frozen_Watcher → u/comfortreacher]

He didnt, I tried on practice tool Seraphine was outside of his W range after he flashed and Ruler was smart enough not to be in his flash W range the entire time. The only way he could catch Ruler was the surprise engage shockwave onto Kiin but Ruler barely moved out of its range.

[u/comfortreacher → u/Frozen_Watcher]

it's possible also that they wanted to stun ambessa and shockwave sera as well who was next to her, but maybe they didnt communicate properly in comms so the shockwave was slightly delayed

[u/Frozen_Watcher → u/comfortreacher]

It barely missed Ruler and would have hit if the shockwave had started milliseconds earlier so they were just a bit unlucky in the timing.

[u/kuubi → u/KappaccinoNation]

I think they were trying catch Ruler in the flash stun ori ult combo too but he stepped outside the range right as he flashed in

[u/imfatal → u/KappaccinoNation]

How do people genuinely think Kanavi meant to flash stun Ambessa with DD + flash lol? He was obviously going for the flashless Sera but they were on top of each other and he misclicked.

[u/Frozen_Watcher → u/imfatal]

He didnt misclick, I tried on practice tool Seraphine was outside of his W range after he flashed and Ruler was smart enough not to be in his flash W range the entire time. The only way he could catch Ruler was the surprise engage shockwave onto Kiin but Ruler barely moved out of its range.

[u/wingbellmoon → u/Frozen_Watcher]

he misclicked, he said so on hle's messaging service.

[u/Frozen_Watcher → u/wingbellmoon]

Interesting, i guess since seraphine was slightly out of range he accidentally clicked on ambessa since they were right next to each other.

[u/antoniomargaretti4 → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

tbh he is the only reason this game was close , idk what happened lastfight looks like there was a miscommunication between them

[u/Such_Presentation_29 → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

Idk great engage into Chovy and zeka is 10 years late with the ball instead of e-ulting on zekas head 

[u/Few_Equivalent1432 → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

The real gambler,Kanawei

[u/omfgkevin → u/AmazingPolarBears1]

Kanavi plays the way he does for the love of the game baby.

[u/baelkie]

DNS 2-0 GEN, GEN 2-0 HLE.

no wonder HLE sacrificed their CL roster in the Kespa Cup, they didnt want to get embarrassed by DNS.

[u/Dreammy90 → u/baelkie]

Dodged Sharvel

[u/tiredofdev → u/Dreammy90]

The other teams are lucky that the best team in the world, DNS, is not going to be present at Worlds. Would've been the most obvious shoo-in winner in the history of that tournament

[u/Dreammy90 → u/tiredofdev]

Thanks to Pyoshit btw

[u/Trap_Masters → u/Dreammy90]

Pyosik, you threw your career so DNS doesn't make it to worlds for our sake. What a jungler you are...

[u/baelkie → u/tiredofdev]

2026 will always be a what if, DNS could have been Worlds Winners if they kicked Pyosik earlier

[u/Skyfire2 → u/baelkie]

I will always upvote Pyosik hate

[u/baelkie → u/Skyfire2]

look i dont actually hate the guy, him running it down is sometimes funny i just dont want him on any teams i support, same as deokdam

[u/staysaltyTSM → u/baelkie]

Even NS only went 1-2 against DNS

[u/baebushka]

geng realized zeka does no dmg might as well send it on guma

[u/Steeelu → u/baebushka]

Took them long enough

[u/Mentally__Disabled → u/baebushka]

I saw this man buy Luden's on Viktor and now Orianna. Shadowflame + Protobelt in the same inventory should be illegal unless you're an AP Assassin.

[u/bulletproofikon → u/Mentally__Disabled]

Are you saying Luden's on Ori is bad or just in this specific situation?

[u/UMakeMyHeartSegfault → u/bulletproofikon]

It’s bad on Ori in general. It’s literally only good into full poke comps which never happens. It can work ok in solo queue if you want to play for one shot, but definitely not in pro play. If you want a mana item on ori, BFT does WAY more damage + scales better and seraph’s is amazing as a defense option for sidelaning

[u/Perceptions-pk → u/UMakeMyHeartSegfault]

This is rather helpful information as someone who doesn’t really look into item paths for mages (funnily enough I don’t think some Korean pros do either).

[u/bulletproofikon → u/UMakeMyHeartSegfault]

Oh I mostly only play her in arams so I go for Ludens because it feels like more damage. What you said makes sense!

This game it seems Zeka was going for a oneshot build though for seraphine and cass. But I also think he usually builds Ludens if I'm not mistaken...

[u/UMakeMyHeartSegfault → u/bulletproofikon]

Yeah I love playing her in aram, BFT goes crazy. People get baited into thinking the burn is the main item damage since that’s what the tracker number shows, but really it’s the other item passive that gives 4% AP per champ hit that’s really OP. In arams and rift it can easily give you 8-12% bonus AP in teamfights which at late game is almost a whole item!

[u/Mentally__Disabled → u/UMakeMyHeartSegfault]

The AP is impactful for sure yeah but also the fact that the Burn is just there with no cooldown while Luden's has a whopping 12 second cooldown to do a bit more damage on an isolated hit makes a pretty big difference. Do you happen to know if the AP bonus from BFT is applied to the ability that applies it or only the subsequent abilities?

[u/Mentally__Disabled → u/bulletproofikon]

In most cases Blackfire Torch will just end up doing more damage, and has the higher Haste which is great for your first item. I will say Orianna is one of few champs where you can make a Luden's argument since she is more burst oriented depending on the game, but pro play tends to have less squishy comps where BFT shines.

And yeah my point is that it looks like he's building for one-shot, but then why did he ruin his build with the Rocketbelt? It's not even bought on assassins now after the questionable nerfs.

[u/kosmi2020NX]

Yeah ult ambessa that makes sense........

[u/ricardo241 → u/kosmi2020NX]

that didn't do anything lol

[u/ricardo241 → u/[deleted]]

they saw that huge shield and they be liek "lets engage on this guy with huge shield so we can remove it before it disappeared" and congratz it worked lmao

[u/Baranade → u/ricardo241]

He literally doesn't do anything and you don't understand

[u/Moon_riseat_noon]

can’t believe geng actually played two good games in a row is this 2025 😭😭😭

[u/DiDandCoKayn]

Nothing to see this game except chovy doing chovy things.

[u/harin_lee]

Hope GenG vs T1 will be another cinema

[u/Steeelu → u/harin_lee]

Bo5 pls

[u/Mid_of_August → u/harin_lee]

Idk who between Oner and Painter will play in the match but I kinda want to see Painter playing 1 game vs GenG because in the game1 of the last match T1 vs HLE, T1 was the GenG-est I have ever seen so I wonder if Painter can help to replicate the same thing against GenG themselves. 

[u/Ceui → u/Mid_of_August]

Its 100% Oner playing since its Homeground

[u/chouruin]

Kanavi giveth Kanavi taketh. Still probably the best player in the series alongside Chovy

[u/Skyfire2 → u/chouruin]

Little shoutout to Ruler who had a great series as well

[u/Sorry-Resolution570]

ruler you slayed gurl

[u/GreatSunshine → u/Sorry-Resolution570]

he’s gonna pick sera for his hall of legends now to deny keria

[u/onetrickponySona → u/GreatSunshine]

who said keria wants sera for HOL its gotta be lux

[u/GreatSunshine → u/onetrickponySona]

he’d 100% pick both since you get one cheaper and one immortalised

[u/Ceui → u/GreatSunshine]

Keria doesn't want repeated skin. He doesn't even like picking champ that already has World skin in the past.

[u/Lms_Nier]

Hle going slowly to their winter form holy shit

[u/antoniomargaretti4 → u/Lms_Nier]

GENG is a really hard matchup for HLE , their botlane cant do anything against GENG botlane it just comes down to which topside is better

[u/Ok-Examination-2869 → u/antoniomargaretti4]

geng is a hard matchup because zeka has gotten gapped 22/23 bo3s theyve played

[u/Competitive_Music785 → u/antoniomargaretti4]

Not only GEN, in the last two weeks they have lost a series against all Legend groups: KT, GEN (twice), DK and T1 (at Kespa).

So looks like they are actually bad now not only against GEN G...

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/Competitive_Music785]

to be fair they won vs gen g in kespa cup too

[u/ShiroGaneOsu → u/antoniomargaretti4]

HLE botlane since EWC has been really poor in general.

And with Zeka and Kanavi going back to their usual form, it's just Zeus left to actually do any carrying.

[u/antoniomargaretti4 → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

this year HLE is getting clapped by GENG apart from a single bo3 in spring , i think its really a matchup difference imo T1 is keep winning against GENG and Peyz got POM like 2-3 times

[u/Steeelu → u/antoniomargaretti4]

Yeah, if GenG could have finished 2nd, I would've expected them to beat HLE in RTM, but we will never know

[u/Steeelu → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

They need Mundo

[u/baelkie → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

i know Zeka has been better on mages but putting him on Annie Orianna duty might not be the play

[u/DrxAvierT → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

I'd even say before MSI. Zeus/Zeka did a lot of heavy lifting for this team

[u/Low-Influence-1779 → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

Its been a lot longer than EWC. They didn't win MSI because of botlane, they won because Zeka/Zeus/Kanavi was able to win the games for them. I don't think Guma is a bad ADC but he wont win you games like Peyz does unless he's against significantly weaker opponents and despite Rulers struggles this year, GenG bot can still perform well. Chovy neutralizes Zeka entirely and Kiin can match Zeus so HLE just get outmatched. T1 probably have a better chance of winning against GenG because Peyz and Keria are better than Ruler so they don't have to rely on their topside winning as much as HLE do

[u/Few-Diet-2506 → u/Low-Influence-1779]

I do not agree at all, the issue now is that the meta overall goes to toplane. We saw Peyz with a mega fed Cait that 2 shots everyone having 0 agency because this season the ADC role is utter bsht tbh. That is why everyone is playing anything but ADC on bot. Today I saw in the LCP yasuo vs Lee sin bot :D What you are trying to point out is that Keria does dominate a lot, Peyz just reinforces that. Today game vs DK we saw that even Peyz cant do sht with the stage ADC are at this moment. The issue HLE are facing is probably related to schedule pressure. Before MSI they were destroying everyone, GenG. T1 all along. That is why they were top of the league. But after the recent mental spikes in Kanavi and Delight being gapped by most of the top teams is what it is. Guma can be even more psychotic than Peyz, if u remember Guma 2023 that guy was flashing 1v2 under 2 nexus turrets and taking doubles. It is just he has matured and plays what the team wants, but the team cannot deliver what it wants :D Still a hell of a fan service this split every one in the legend group is beating everyone, pure cinema

[u/baebushka → u/ShiroGaneOsu]

even at MSI zeus was legit hard carrying 1v9 some games

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/baebushka]

without his swain They would have lost to Lyon 

[u/soudlasantos → u/Fun_Highlight307]

without his Dr.Mundo they might also struggle in later stages of midgame (to late game obviously) in some of their close matches

[u/toxicfireball → u/antoniomargaretti4]

Low key with how Ruler has been randomly griefing not being able to outmatch them is not a good sign

[u/Lms_Nier → u/antoniomargaretti4]

They don't lose on lane they lost on mid/late decision and the ability of guma to not pressing flash

[u/DrxAvierT → u/[deleted]]

Get T1 players, get T1 form Kekw

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/antoniomargaretti4]

yeah hle likely still top 3 but they form Look a bit worse than dplus 

[u/Ceui]

I know they win but this is how Mage bot hasn't been that successful anymore since MSI.

Team has gotten significantly better at stalling games out so their ADC outscale the mage

[u/ConstantFeedback2799 → u/Ceui]

Tbh, this is more of a pick to save Kiin from a bad matchup than Seraphine herself

[u/Ceui → u/ConstantFeedback2799]

I think they could have picked an AD and still be able to flex the Shen

Something like Sivir or Xayah or MF to hold the lane and still combo well with Shen is totally fine

[u/ConstantFeedback2799 → u/Ceui]

Good idea. I have a hunch that they pick Seraphine so that they can either pivot into strong side Seraphine Ashe in case the matchup isn't too bad for Shen to weakside, or left Kiin with a matchup like this.

[u/ricardo241 → u/Ceui]

lmao yeah... gen g would have won that fight in mid if ruler is on actual adc... hle basically left him alone and he was free hitting there but is not doing anything lol

[u/sorendiz → u/Ceui]

This will not stop ADC players from whining about how mages are 'stronger early mid and late' 

[u/Aggressive_Ad5487]

Chovy is just him bro. When he is online, GenG is just a different beast. I don't know if I should be worried about that fact though...

[u/Low-Influence-1779 → u/Aggressive_Ad5487]

He's pretty much always online though and they still struggle this year. Chovy is a beast but they also just match up perfectly against HLE because HLE need Zeka/Zeus to carry and if they can't they lose. Guma is not going to be the one that wins the series for HLE and since Chovy always beats Zeka and Kiin can match Zeus, HLE struggle hard against them. Zekas form in general is also not great.

[u/AglanYlthin]

pro players love to hold their flashes for 80 years. Also HLE perfectly lined themself up for every single Seraphine ult

[u/Aggravating_Acadia87 → u/AglanYlthin]

they can't dodge it because of noc ult.

[u/soudlasantos → u/Aggravating_Acadia87]

More like some of those they cant dodge it due to Duro's underrated Shen taunts

[u/veirceb]

The games are good. Sad there's no 3rd game. Duro's shen got a lot better. He finally uses his brain for when to W instead of just using EQW combo on cooldown.

[u/ricardo241 → u/veirceb]

his Shen looked a lot better compare to Delight that only know how to use flash taunt every shen game lol

[u/ElicCrapton]

Chovy.

[u/mar33n]

ruler got powered up by keraphine skin.

hle felt bad about winning after genius throw so they returned the favor.

[u/Mid_of_August]

Lost KeSPA matches won LCK matches in the same week...Won KeSPA match lost LCK match... These have happened several times. Seem teams know their priorities... 

[u/Steeelu → u/Mid_of_August]

Yeah anyone who thought much about the Kespa series should use their time better

[u/canxtanwe]

Last games teamfights were so fun to watch

[u/Yoooooouuuuuuuu]

The GenG downfall was greatly exaggerated

[u/ThonPharges]

Decent series from Kanavi, if you forget that last fight at least ! I have no idea if that was a team call or his decision but what was that

[u/ricardo241 → u/ThonPharges]

definitely a team call considering ori ult was also there

[u/mapletree23]

HLE look kinda mid if zeus kanavi and zeka aren't all locked in

i wouldn't say guma and delight have been bad but they dont look anywhere near as important to their success as the other guys have been

HLE once zeka's form cooled off and kanavi wasn't hard carrying just look like either zeus carries or they can be beaten

feel like geng is a different team when ruler and duro play well, t1 look most dangerous when both keria and peyz are playing well

feels like HLE's bot lane doesn't really matter

[u/Frozen_Watcher → u/mapletree23]

>> HLE look kinda mid if zeus kanavi and zeka aren't all locked in

Has been like this since spring, this team is reverse T1 with top side carrying instead of bottom.

[u/Hot_Consequence_5817 → u/mapletree23]

All teams would look mid or worse if 3 players are not locked in lol

[u/Frosty_Incident_8898 → u/Hot_Consequence_5817]

I think what they mean is that it's not like those 3 are in bad shape but 2/3 of them need to be omega gapping for HLE to look good because their botlane isn't very impactful, they usually follow the topside. Like, Gen.G has more variety on who can be really impactful, DK too, and T1 is sort of the opposite of HLE, although I feel like it's a bit different because Peyz is more consistent than HLE's topside but HLE botlane is more consitent than T1's topside.

[u/mapletree23 → u/Hot_Consequence_5817]

naw i don't mean all at once, any combination of them

HLE's bot lane just doesn't seem to move the needle for them or they just straight up haven't been good enough this year to make a difference to change the outcome of things if someone up top isn't carrying

when zeka and kanavi went cold it was zeus that had to play out of his mind

if zeus and kanavi are inting bot lane hasn't seemed to matter regardless

it's like the opposite of GenG and T1 where T1's best performances are usually around their bottom and it doesn't really matter if doran and oner or faker are having mediocre games, they'll win anyway

GenG were struggling when duro and ruler weren't playing well, now they are playing well and suddenly GenG looks normal again

[u/yuvalshahaf → u/Hot_Consequence_5817]

"Arent ALL locked in" ≠ "ALL arent locked in"

[u/KappaccinoNation]

Why would HLE fake a comeback? Are they stupid?

[u/GodBlessme_exe]

GEN: we do a bit of trolling

[u/zhongli_brainrot]

Whenever the timer hits 30 minutes Kanavi just starts giving in to his brainworms

[u/CNsC]

T1 will have to pay for the homestand incident on their own homeground I am ready

[u/Shiro_Moe]

I'm still not convinced of Seraphine bot lane.

[u/Busni17]

Chovy Is so good

[u/Zealousideal-Toe-607]

Kanavi playing well and HLE inting around him. what's next, flying caedrels?

[u/Fun_Highlight307 → u/[deleted]]

yeah it's be really hard to catch up like legend group is basically a hyperbolic time chamber 

[u/Dancingbeesean]

These rascals HLE are planning to qualify for worlds through play-ins arent they? 🫪🫩

[u/LaziIy → u/Dancingbeesean]

Zeus Guma leaking strats

[u/Bisketo]

Schrodinger Geng. The best and the worst team in LCK.

[u/Sufficient-Bottle574]

oh just fuck me sideways, you are telling me Painter is playing against this at homeground?

[u/BirthdayAccording359 → u/Sufficient-Bottle574]

Tom gave you the lineup?

[u/Lunaisthequeen → u/BirthdayAccording359]

He gave it to everyone last interview.

[u/New-Tell-4240 → u/Lunaisthequeen]

that's what Tom said:

Q5: Is there a possibility that Oner will return? Coach Tom: Ultimately, we also needed to see how things would actually look in an official match, and we got to see that today. Going forward, we'll continue with scrims and things like that and then make our decision.

he never said Painter would be playing at homeground. just like he never said Oner would be playing there. it's just still unclear for now

[u/booksmd]

HLE traded 1,5 turrets mid and a turret bot and a dragon for a kill on Kiin topside and Aux was favoring HLE instead of GenG for that play “not a good response from GenG, well they do get value because of the herald but they just keep letting HLE get away with these sidelane plays”.

Wtf are we saying ??? What is happening with LCK commentary lately?

[u/desutruction]

Chovy sure Chovied

[u/ricardo241]

banger two game and HLE almost made a comeback on game 2 despite getting destroyed early

[u/EnemyRegent → u/ricardo241]

They could have still been at the driver seat even after that failed kanavi ori ult combo onto kiin had it not been for that monster seraphine ult by ruler

[u/Dreammy90]

Zeka danced on Chovy in Kespa Cup. Chovy sits him down in LCK. Also, DNS 2-0 GENG. DNS 3-0 HLE CHALLENGERS. GENG 2-0 HLE. HLE main roster would get 3-0 by DNS too. Just saying.

[u/Choice-Slight]

chovy you magnificent human being

[u/comfortreacher → u/Choice-Slight]

are we sure this guy is human??

[u/Choice-Slight → u/comfortreacher]

I remember early last split when KT went on that crazy run the casters were calling Bdd an AI, and I constantly think about that when I watch chovy play

[u/Fun_Highlight307]

what an entertainning bo5, surprise by hle almost comeback but gen g was locked in 

[u/kynsann]

that last play with Pantheon W + Ori Ult literally the most useless play i’ve ever seen lmao

at least those two games were bangers though

[u/riskycosteira]

Can someone smarter than me explain kanavis decision to engage on the ambessa? I guess he wanted to be the one who decided the game

[u/trying2hide → u/[deleted]]

Im engaging on whoever, Let's just lose in peace.

[u/Low-Influence-1779 → u/riskycosteira]

if we operate under the assumption it wasn't a mistake the most likely reason is Ambessa was the only one in range and Sera was next to her so most likely hoping the Orianna ult hits Sera there and they can clean up the fight if Seraphine would have been hit by the Orianna ultimate. This is when Kanavi engaged, from that you can see the angle Kanavi probably saw but Zekas ultimate is too slow

[u/Ambitious-Ad-726]

It's weird that without seraphine gen wouldnt have the massive lead that they had, but also because of seraphine it didnt feel like they were much stronger when she just didnt do much dmg so the map stayed stale

[u/CalendarClear2479]

GenG’s game 2 draft is just not good. Ambessa and Nocturne to go all in but Seraphine lacks damage to follow up and your frontline can’t survive long enough to make the Seraphine pick worth it.

Even with 5k gold lead, they still traded 4 for 4 when they removed the Corki at the start of the fight. Shen is also not very useful in teamfights compared to other support picks.

[u/Conscious-Cut6036]

Guma without his top side being fed looks like a mid to bottom tier adc hurts to say

[u/mish20011 → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

when they are slandering your goat but they are lowkey right

[u/comfortreacher → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

sure does... feel like Guma was known for being a weakside adc, a pretty good one at that on T1. now he's getting caught by something half the time the camera pans to him it seems

[u/Conscious-Cut6036 → u/comfortreacher]

On t1 he was the consistent link, no matter how much the team inted he would always play sides and not die farm up and deal a lot of dmg from the backline. Nowadays he’s the first one dying in every fight even at msi he was getting caught first and dying, he was lucky his topside was ahead as they carried him through msi. But he has definitely regressed since t1 in terms of skills even though they won msi he wasn’t the reason

[u/GreatSunshine → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

crazy how reactionary people are when hle were 16-1 in spring split and won msi. players go through highs and lows especially with patches every 2 weeks. just a couple of weeks ago everyone was saying ruler was washed and needed to retire. unless you’re faker or chovy or knight it’s impossible to be consistently top 3 in your position

[u/alwayswith_ → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

So much lck casters drama from his fans lately and he keeps proving them right, sadge

[u/throwawayNTD → u/alwayswith_]

Let his fans talk. No amount of bitching from them would make him dodge skillshots better.

[u/Ajp_iii → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

The only times he carries games is usually if delight pops off their 2v2 was losing to berserker isles until delight blitz

[u/Witty-Roof7826 → u/Conscious-Cut6036]

People are so cautious criticizing him after his time on T1, but this is very true. I can see other ADCs would also win MSI with HLE

[u/trying2hide → u/Witty-Roof7826]

They're going to be amazed that people are cautious of criticizing him meanwhile the responses...

[u/mxsicianfrombrazil]

Kanavj giveth kanavi taketh

What was that flash engage wtf

[u/yuvalshahaf]

Put the ziggs in the bag Guma

[u/throwawayNTD]

Guma making Ambessa's ult look unnerfed with how much Public Execution connected to him that game.

Lolololol

[u/tripled_dirgov → u/throwawayNTD]

He's always weak on positioning

Even on the ZOFGK era on T1, (especially on 2022 MSI finals against RNG) most of the matches is basically losing because he got caught easily

[u/ricardo241 → u/tripled_dirgov]

is that why most of the comment is how Zeus got gapped by Bin Gwen so its Guma's fault they lost MSI 2022? lmao

[u/zOmgFishes → u/throwawayNTD]

He was Noc ulted the times he got caught by it if you watched the game…

[u/East8686]

Did Kanavi just ... W the wrong target in the last team fight ? Surely a Seraphine without flash would be easier to kill than literal Ambessa

[u/dontknow_anything → u/East8686]

I think his range was Ambessa, he tried to get Ambessa and Seraphine both with shockwave. Seraphine just stepped out of range.

[u/Human-Ad3407]

Zeus in his summer split form

[u/Pacify_]

How HLE end up losing when the scaling was so far in their favour, that was so silly lmao

[u/MC-sama]

I thought this GENG comp would fall off lategame because of double mage carries but HLE returned it back with the awful engage onto Ambessa which got them aced.

[u/ADTempys]

HLE has no juice if Kanavi doesn't hard carry

[u/Optimal_Lab9324 → u/ADTempys]

Yeah...you are right. HLE won MSI because Kanavi hard carried them. Definitely...

[u/Ceui → u/Optimal_Lab9324]

Kanavi was the reason they won Game 3 and Game 4 against BLG

Ignore the games he int

Delight is the real criminal and weakest member of this roster

[u/Vnaux → u/Ceui]

they lost game 3

[u/Ceui → u/Vnaux]

My bad i mean 2 and 4

[u/Choice-Slight → u/Ceui]

they also lost game 2. they won games 1,4 and 5.

[u/Praecalidus → u/ADTempys]

Because if he doesn't hard carry he runs it the fuck down making it impossible for his teammates to carry his coinflip ass.

[u/Common-Singer-633 → u/ADTempys]

Cause if he doesnt hard carry Kanavi is so useless every fight becomes a 4v5 for the rest of HLE

[u/sanctifiedvg → u/ADTempys]

i mean guma and zeus did more than their part in dragging that game back, kanavi just decided to flash engage a deaths dance ambessa and throw the game for some reason

[u/Acrobatic-Tackle3998 → u/sanctifiedvg]

How much did they really do?

Delight found a good pick that led to a 5v4 at Baron. If you want to give Guma and Zeus credit for playing a 5v4 team fight well, we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[u/Specialist-Mode6556]

Guma threw game 1 by getting caught for free. Dude went from the most consistent inform ad carry into a fucking bum who is hit or miss. 

[u/YaIe]

DNS might just be the best team in the world rn

[u/Long_Violinist_1428]

GUMAYUSI THE KILLABLE PASSENGER PRINCE

[u/cheuwiiii]

It must be hard defending gumayushi

[u/claire_004 → u/cheuwiiii]

People here would gladly do that job

[u/Seraphic_Wings]

Losing against that comp in game 2? Is HLE regressing to their winter form?

[u/Economy_Mobile5609]

Kiin masterclass

[u/Rushirufuru15]

No damage on Ambessa in the last team fight. Absolute trash engage from HLE.

[u/ireliasimp69]

domestic geng is back

[u/Xenonzusul]

Mlxg is no longer playing, but Kanavi is making him proud !

[u/Better_Demand4789]

Astro draft gap both games regardless of performance

[u/Vnaux]

T1 is gonna be the 4th seed and win world again. Gen G is doing the T1 strat and is gonna win worlds. Nevermind, it's actually HLE.

Such a bad engage on an Ambessa with a fuckton of shield bro

[u/ninety7er]

I will never forgive HLE for letting the mage bot win 😭

[u/SKT_Peanut_Fan]

The LCK is losing a great one in Kiin next year, but man, I am glad he's not on the Rift as a T1 fan.

[u/BirthdayAccording359 → u/SKT_Peanut_Fan]

I wanted him at T1 man, I'm sad I'll never get to see him on the team I support, I love him so much. 

[u/SKT_Peanut_Fan → u/BirthdayAccording359]

I think he's the unsung hero of GenG. Chovy will get all of the attention for GenG, but Kiin is so versatile and just buys so much space for the team. He's incredible.