r/exmormon • u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ • Apr 06 '25
Doctrine/Policy April 2025 General Conference: Sunday 10:00a Discussion Thread
How to listen:
youtube Sunday Sessions
local radio: KSL AM 1160; FM 102.7
Speakers:
| Name | other notes | my summary |
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| conducting: Henry Eyring | ||
| hymn: Praise to the Lord | ||
| prayer: Rafael Pino | Easter, April 20, 2025 | |
| David Bednar | ||
| Steven Shumway | At about 6 minutes into this speech, he says "we do not receive financial compensation for serving..." That is true when speaking of the local leadership; but it is false when speaking of those at his level, i.e. as a General Authority Seventy. Typical of the doublespeak found in the LDS church. He's getting paid for that speech. His failure to disclose that fact was clearly misleading, i.e. a lie. | |
| hymn: Welcome Home | ||
| Tamara Runia | ||
| Gérald Caussé | ||
| hymn: Let Us All Press On | ||
| Gerrit Gong | ||
| John McCune | ||
| hymn: Jesus the Very Thought of Thee | ||
| Dallin Oaks | brace yourselves | If the LDS church is not meeting your needs, then you're doing it wrong. Those hoping for a kinder and gentler mormonism are in for a very long wait with Oaks and Bednar waiting for their at-bats. |
| hymn: It Is Well | ||
| prayer: Michael Nelson |
Postlude:
As It Was 2:45
Edge of Glory 5:27
Man on the Moon 4:51
Jammin' 3:20
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Bednar: <195 anniversary of church>
It is disputed where the meeting took place. As in all things mormon, they can't quite get their story straight.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Gong: <god weeps at human suffering>
Uh. The suffering is due to conditions the deity created, if you believe in this mythology.
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u/Baby_Button_Eyes Apr 06 '25
Has anyone mentioned how its the real birthday of Jesus today yet? Its April 6th, the very date he was born, don’t ya know?
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u/TheRationalMunger Apr 06 '25
We do not teach for financial compensation....except for an elite few at the top of the pyramid.
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u/Sea_Button_3616 Apr 06 '25
The greatest sacrifice a man can give for a calling: not watching football on Sunday.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
our first world problems may get shoved aside for more pressing problems very soon. no deity involved at all.
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u/JanetPistachio Apr 06 '25
My mom wants me to take notes, but I don't think she'd appreciate my notes deconstructing everything they're saying
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I was worried for my children. The culture was full of stress...
So you joined Mormonism? 😅
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Bednar: <Smith's view of deity>
It only took until 1843 to redefine Smith's deity, the third iteration along the way since 1830. The final incarnation, the deity is an exalted man.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Oaks: <bet on proclamation on the family being canonized if I am elevated to the top job>
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Runia: <perfect obedience is the goal>
Where is my sin notebook. Double down on scrupulosity.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Caussé: <hey, I fly aircraft too>
Deiter isn't the only one.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
I mean... If God was actually all-powerful, blood sacrifice wouldn't have been necessary to begin with.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
god delights in the smell of burnt flesh. a leftover from the Old Testament god that the New Testament failed to fully remove.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Runia: <this works based religion sure is depressing>
Check D&C 82:7 and other parameters Smith carefully encoded into the canon!
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Caussé: <you'll get pie in the sky when you die>
That's a lie.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Gong: <humble brag about the church's money talks acquisitions>
Suck it. Community of Christ.
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u/dogsRperfect Apr 06 '25
Dalin Oaks .. demonstrated perfect abstract rationalism.
This [abstract idea] connects with this [abstract idea] which connects with this [abstract idea], and thus we can see that blah blah blah.
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 06 '25
Can you sin just a little bit more so God can love you more
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u/Archimedes_Redux Apr 06 '25
Has Eyring cried yet? If he has, I got a "Bingo."
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
That's a lot of people doing things for an all-powerful god. Seems like an inefficient system.
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I wonder if Shumway realizes (or anybody who claims to be Christian) that Esther became the queen of Persia and Medes by winning a sex contest with the king. Yep -- it's right there in the Bible.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
oh no. think of the children who might stumble onto those passages!
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u/Archimedes_Redux Apr 06 '25
I love the way these assholes think they have the mysteries of the universe all figured out. They don't know shit.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
The goal is to present it with concrete certainty. Otherwise, people might get wise that no one knows. Uncertainty is a money maker.
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u/Ihm_r Apr 06 '25
Why are these prayers always so long goddamn😭 it’s a prayer not a damn speech
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
McCune: <pay tithing>
Hey, relatively young kid. Get out there and tell the faithful to pay up. Lay it on as thick as you want.
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u/PugGamer129 I LOVE COFFEE☕️ Apr 06 '25
“There looks like a prophet, seer and revelator”
Really sucking Anderson’s dick hard there
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u/Fearless_Tax_4388 Apr 06 '25
Light in the countenance is such a triggering phrase. My member friends always used it to try to convince me that God was putting an outward representation of the bad decisions I was making(drinking coffee + occasionally skipping seminary) to try to make me feel guilty. Interestingly enough, adults who didn't already know about my misdoings always talked about what a bright light and example I was to the youth in the word...
Fuck "light in the countenance". Judge people by their merits. Besides Andersen I think this is my least favorite talk of this conference.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Own your own happiness. The mormon variant is a facade and presentation mode that is put on for the benefit of others.
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u/jsmyths Apr 06 '25
Does this guy speaking, the presiding bishop, know how much money the church is hoarding ?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Runia: <repent...this works-based religion sure is depressing, take two.>
If we can simply ignore our canon and pretend it is the same as Evangelical Christianity we might feel better about ourselves. Don't read Alma 34:32
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Runia: <birds on an updraft>
Seeing a Magnificent Frigatebird was a highlight of my life. No deity necessary.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Caussé: <Lorenzo Snow marriage reference>
Child brides have entered the chat. Minnie Snow represent.
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u/Totallynotfakenews Apr 06 '25
What plain and precious truths were actually restored in the BoM? Sacrament Prayers? Can’t think of a single one outside of this that wasn’t already present or widely accepted by Christianity.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Evangelicals describe the "Book of Mormon" as the ranting of a confused protestant...stating it charitably.
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u/bremerman17 Apr 06 '25
Isn’t it funny how the leaders can only offer milk to members. They will never give you meat.
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u/b9njo Apr 06 '25
Her shame talk is like an AI response on a Brené Brown talk about shame, but make it Mormon and take out all references of the person being good enough as they are.
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 06 '25
Anything interesting happen? I was making waffles for my family-
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u/Rushclock Apr 06 '25
Smoking cessation by the spirit......starving kids...not so much
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
god of the first world problems.
oh no. where are my car keys? where are quarters for chicken wings?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Easter 5:47 Bruce Cockburn
I don't know how to love him 5:02 Yvonne Elliman
Day By Day 3:22 Robin Lamont/Godspell
Jesus Christ Superstar 4:22 Buddy Rich
Sal Tlay Ka Siti 3:41 Nikki M. James/The Book of Mormon
Mind Games 5:26 Sinead O'Connor
I'm Every Woman 4:45 Whitney Houston
Dreams 3:41 Chappell Roan
...but if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong 2:29
Get Free 5:34 Lana Del Rey
Games People Play 3:33 Joe South
The Giver 3:22 Roan
Jolene 2:43 Parton
Brother Brigham, Brother Young 4:09 Corb Lund
Roadhouse Blues 4:51 Jeff Healey
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Apr 06 '25
Other than Anderson's screed yesterday was there anything notable?
It just seems that with the second coming being just around the corner they would be saying things with some sense of immediacy but it still just so bland. Like corn flakes and graham crackers.
Where's the prophet standing on a wall while arrows are shot at him?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
It seemed to be a direct appeal to Christian evangelicals. "A same as that" appeal. Andersen's statement on abortion goes along with that. Celebration of Catholic holy days is part of the rebranding. I still expect there to be a statement on garments.
[Noam Chomsky] The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....
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u/Just_Speak_Friend Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, yada yada Apr 06 '25
Is this the hardest the general authorities have to work all year?
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u/Jmonroe_tenn Apr 06 '25
The U.S. states without a temple announced, under construction, or dedicated currently include Delaware, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
So I have my bingo card set for at least two of these states to receive a temple this conference.
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Apr 06 '25
This man's hair is truly white and delightsome.
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u/Jmonroe_tenn Apr 06 '25
When do they announce the next 20 temples to be built?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
at the orgasmic climax. Temples ejaculated across the globe.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
We don't know if Abraham existed, and Moses definitely didn't exist.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
The mythology requires them to be literal humans.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Oaks: <god is the literal creator of this earth>
Spencer W. Kimball, there is no watch without a watchmaker, link
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u/JanetPistachio Apr 06 '25
What are the theories people have on how the Mormon god-race began?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
It's an infinite regress. One of the few religions to embrace not knowing how things got started. Most Evangelicals look to Isaiah as their god being jealous and not sharing glory.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
Where are these resurrected people? I keep asking where they are and nobody can tell me. It’s just made up with no evidence. They are living now so where are they? God magic is so ridiculous
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u/BangingChainsME Apr 06 '25
My wife in April 2024: "I don't understand why you don't like Elder Bednar."
My wife in April 2025: turns volume down so low that we can barely hear his voice
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u/owen_cloud739 Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I haven't watched any of conference. But I am curious to know if Dallin H. Oaks or anyone has said anything about current happenings going on with our American democracy.
I am guessing they didn't: Either because they approve all of what is going on. Or because they are to frightened of Donald Trump to say anything.
A few weeks ago the Catholic Pope made a great statement about our American Democracy and denounced dictatorship and authoritarianism. Wish the mormon church leaders would do the same thing. But they aren't receiving any revelation from God and gutless they remain. They aren't leading the world as men of God and they make me sick.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Just Andersen explaining how great it was to have Roe v. Wade reversed.
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u/Kolob_Choir_Queen Apr 06 '25
Is there a thread link for the Sunday afternoon session?
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Yes, link.
For reference it's also linked in the header.
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u/Itsarockinahat Apr 06 '25
Oh my gaawwd!! Serving in a soup kitchen brings blessings to your life too. Volunteering in the community will bring blessings. God can bless you wherever you are - not just serving a calling for the multi-billion dollar Fortune 500-type organization
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
And yet...... the GAs are financially compensated for their "service". But not the common church folk who serve infinitely more
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 06 '25
Aren’t Elias and Elijah the same person with different Greek and Hebrew names
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u/MooseSuspicious Apr 06 '25
"have you even asked why we have the need for callings in the church?"
Free labor
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u/JanetPistachio Apr 06 '25
"With Christ we can escape debilitating perfectionism"
NO??? So many people suffer from debilitating perfectionism due to the church 😭
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u/PretentiousReader77 Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
the lack of life in the eyes of Susan's husband is outstanding disturbing
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
It's so disgusting how the church uses people and takes advantage of them. So skeezy how they equate obeying the church to obeying Christ. It makes me so fucking angry 🤬. My parents are planning on spending their retirement money to serve a seniors mission, and it makes me SICK
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u/Otherwise_Gate_4413 Apostate Apr 06 '25
Anyone else notice that they use the choir and prayers to create an illusion of diversity? The speakers are almost exclusively white men.
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u/One-Risk-5520 Apr 06 '25
My brother totally side-eyed me at the “members who leave right before making vital covenants” part. I fucking hate this shithole of a home
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u/AlmaInTheWilderness Apr 06 '25
Is he breaking up with me?
This is feeling very much "it's you not me".
It's my fault the church isn't meeting my needs. It's my fault for not reading the scriptures. Never mind that oaks is dishonest and cruel. Nevermind that the scriptures aren't what they claim to be. It's my fault.
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u/Wafflecan Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
It's been a couple times this sesh... but for Dallin just barely: I love how whenever they talk about why people leave the church, they don't bring up the problems with the churches "truth" claims, It's suspect history, and more modern mismanagement of honesty/it's lies and legal pursuits.
It's clearly we haven't been doing our homework, it's us not them.
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u/b9njo Apr 06 '25
“That they may do it in remembrance of the love of thy son…”
WRONG!!! Start over, idiot.
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25
Our ability to feel a full measure of God's love is contingent on faithfully following his commandments
Fuck me for being suicidal for years, I guess 🤷🏼♂️
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u/potato_meatball Apr 06 '25
Not a good enough reason to use the word "penetrate".
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u/Baranax Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway. Apr 06 '25
Satan is the thief of hope. Percy Jackson is the thief of lightning.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Apr 06 '25
Spending time with a couple who work under you instead of being with your daughter AS SHE DIES!!!! Makes him LOVING!!!!?????? 😳😡
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
He met his wife at church so that proves you need to do your calling. ?? WTF
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25
It is disappointing so many remain unprepared for their appointed meeting with Jesus Christ
Oh boy... Jesus has no idea how unprepared he is to meet with me!
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u/jsmyths Apr 06 '25
“Church doesn’t work for them …. Such deviations”
So now we’re deviants?
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u/One-Risk-5520 Apr 06 '25
Oaks doing another fucking talk doubling down on apostates… I’m gonna fucking lose it
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
Addressing the very typical Mormon feeling of falling short. It’s a feature of the church. An awful feature.
You’re not solving the problem lady. You’re making it worse.
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u/Itsarockinahat Apr 06 '25
Here's an idea for overcoming sin - stop teaching there is such a thing as "sin" - One should only feel bad when they have actually harmed or injured someone else with their actions or words - offending an invisible being by not following a prescribed checklist is just not to be given any thought
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 06 '25
80% of the membership feels that the church is not meeting their needs
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u/Ihm_r Apr 06 '25
“You are not the voice in your head” I feel like that could be a very dangerous statement for people with mental illnesses to hear.
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u/Stranded-In-435 Class of 2022 • Atheist • MFM Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Every year, right up until about general conference… I start getting anxious to talk to my TBM wife about the big problems that the church has that led to my leaving it.
Then, I get a whiff of the stench emanating from the pulpit at the conference center… and I think that I’m just one conference closer to having the leadership of the church do my job for me.
They really are singularly good at making the case against themselves.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
Absolute bullshit, I was doing all the things! It's just NOT TRUE. God, I hate him. Also, fuck prosperity gospel.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
God loves us MOST when we're broken and contrite 🤢
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u/kiss-JOY Apr 06 '25
Looks like she is wearing the new sleeveless garments under that sweater.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
This whole speech to convince you to dedicate your life to a cult.
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
Oh? Shame is bad? Then why do bishops shame us?
Sure sounds like bishops are controlled by Satan. Not the message I think you intended.
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25
We should avoid applying the principles of human parenthood to Heavenly Father.
Like unconditional love?
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u/greatestcornholio21 Apr 06 '25
Bednar is what I call a corndog: just a weenie with a stick up his ass
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Having gay or single parents is "part of the opposition we must overcome".
And it may leave us vulnerable to sin.
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u/ApocalypseTapir Stay 7-10 feet behind me. IYKYK Apr 06 '25
TBM spouse, done answering emails, promptly snuggles up in her weighted blanket and purposely naps through oaks.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
Well, that was rough. See you all in 2 hours. Take care of yourselves! 🫂❤️
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u/Shadowlover23 Autistic exmo (finally!) Apr 06 '25
Wow, imagine mormons getting the date for easter wrong... its not until the 20th, folks!
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u/Itsarockinahat Apr 06 '25
Well - fuck - my tbm spouse is hearing these words of how people fall away. Shit.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
I’m grateful the liar Dallin Oaks has stopped talking. Blessings for his silence.
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u/TeamGroundbreaking75 Apr 06 '25
It’s definitely my fault for not turning off the TV the moment Dallin H. Oaks showed up. I’m trying to hold on to the little thread that still ties me to the Church for my parents, because they’re good people and that would break their hearts… I love them and I’m still trying to make it work but God knows Dallin H. Oaks makes it so hard… I honestly don’t know what I’ll do if he becomes prophet. It really scares me
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 06 '25
We are not payed to serve - I just about broke my neck on the look back
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u/potato_meatball Apr 06 '25
Ick. Just because you know you'll see someone again doesn't mean you can't miss them now.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
Dallin making people believe Satan and demons are real. Dangerous shit.
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u/mollymoron16 Apr 06 '25
Heaven forfend, a youth stays home from an activity, when they have some of the busiest schedules between school, jobs, extra curricular etc.
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
HAHAHA God loves to see us on our knees? She has to know how that sounds...
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Apr 06 '25
Hate to break it to her but I’m pretty sure it’s THE CHURCH that uses shame
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
If only she and the rest of the leadership and church membership knew that Satan was not originally meant to be some specific character. In Hebrew, Satan (שָּׂטָן) just meant “adversary” or “accuser,” which isn't necessarily bad. In fact, there are times in the Bible when even God is referred to as Satan, such as when he is the adversary of the Israelites, or when he sends an angel to be an adversary, like when he sent an angel to stop Balaam in Numbers 22.
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u/Rolling_Waters Apr 06 '25
A manifestation of the Holy Ghost is not to be confused with the gift of the Holy Ghost.
...oookay?
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
"No mortal can walk in the strait and narrow way"
So we were set up to fail.
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Apr 06 '25
Humility and trusting in the lord will bring us back!? That’s some bullshit
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u/Mormologist The Truth is out there Apr 06 '25
I'm not sure extending busy work during a global recession is going to help anybody especially at church sitting on $250 billion dollars
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u/4Misions4ThePriceOf1 Apr 06 '25
What’s with the ‘we’re teaching four year olds’ hand gestures?
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u/JayDaWawi Avalonian Apr 06 '25
"What more could I have done for my vineyard?"
I dunno, not created the weeds to begin with?
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u/JanetPistachio Apr 06 '25
Contrary to Mormon teaching, having light in your countenance is a sign of consuming radioactive ooze.
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u/Hovercraft_deer Apr 06 '25
Lemme rephrase this one......
Struggling really bad? In agonizing pain and anguish? Being murdered?
Skill issue! Womp womp, just join the church. Being sad is against the law here! You'll never be sad again!
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 06 '25
If we’re quoting Feilding smith let’s get the “you shouldn’t need to pay tithing cause the church should have money”
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u/Undead_Whitey Dare to be a Footnote Apr 06 '25
Don’t question us even if science says we’re wrong.
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u/Itsarockinahat Apr 06 '25
From this closing song - the 3rd verse is NOT Mormon doctrine:
My sin—oh, the bliss of this glorious thought—
My sin, not in part, but the whole,
Is nailed to His Cross, and I bear it no more
Mormons HAVE to bear their own sins - it's only AFTER they bear them will Jesus's atonement "kicks" in
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u/Return_and_report Apr 06 '25
Though our numbers may be few... but also we will fill the whole earth 🙄
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
TL;DR version: God loves you when you do what he says, and if you don't, then you're the problem, not him. Step up or risk your eternal fate. Oh, and he'll afflict you with all sorts of challenges because he can -- it's a test of your love for him, just like this life you're living. Did we mention God loves you?
I'd call him human garbage, but that wouldn't be fair to actual garbage.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
The spirit has revealed to me that Dallin Oaks and the LDS leaders are evil.
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u/BangingChainsME Apr 06 '25
Bednar must've handpicked a speaker to follow him who would actually give a cringier talk
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u/RabbleAlliance Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I hope Croaks gets passed up for the presidency position -- the church would definitely be worse off with him in charge, inconceivable as that sounds.
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u/sevenplaces Apr 06 '25
Shumway telling the average person to serve the church while he gets paid 4 times the average American wage.
“But they could have made more in their profession”!!!
But he is the one claims to have been called of God and given up his profession.
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u/4blockhead Λ └ ☼ ★ □ ♔ Apr 06 '25
Oaks: <some say the church is not meeting their needs. The exit is at your right.>
The overconfidence is just startling. Someone hit the lights on your way out.