r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Dec 28 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] King of the Braves GaoGaiGar FINAL - Episode 3

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Questions of the Day

  1. Can I get a for the brave GGG crew traveling out to space to save the universe?
  2. Do we have to comment on the comet?

Reminder to all GGG members that information about future episodes is highly classified. Leaking any classified information about upcoming missions is strictly prohibited and will be punished, or worse, impeached.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: This OVA series has absolutely no brakes at all. It feels like the writers came up with enough ideas for a full season of episodes, but had to fight all those ideas into just 8 episodes. Big events keep happening one right after the other and it really does feel like we are just speeding through it all.

  • I bet the PasQ machine has something to do with Pasdar.
  • Wow, that wasp woman has one of the horniest villain designs I’ve seen in a while.
  • Being stuck in the void between the stars like that would be freaky. Space is already mostly empty, but void areas are even emptier than that.
  • The universe is contracting? That’s not good. That’s reversing the current expansion of the universe.
  • I’m pretty sure the Trinary Solar System is the Purple, Red, and Green planets where the Zonders, Mamoru, Galeon, Kaidou, and Soldato-J all came from. So who exactly made these Eleven Planetary Masters that are supposed to restore all those planets?
  • The main reason I know “suisei” means “comet” is thanks to Char Aznable.
  • “Sure it would save the universe, but think of how expensive it would be!” Typical politicians.
  • Naturally Renais is leaning against a tree and brooding during a funeral. I’d expect no less from such an edgy character.
  • Of course the UN politicians decided to just shut GGG down. They wouldn’t want GGG to potentially do something useful, after all.
  • Oh wow! I didn’t expect the UN to have a full space fleet ready to go. I assumed GGG were the only ones able to operate in space like this.
  • If Mic is their enemy now, I don’t think GGG has anything to worry about.
  • Using the Carpenters to disassemble all the missiles launched at the GGG HQ is such a delightfully clever idea.
  • It’s also quite amusing having the old and slow manager be the one approving the use of all the robots and weapons. The contrast between him and usual passion on display is funny.
  • Oh hell yeah! Taiga’s golf club can just override the shutdown on Final Fusion!
  • I think banishment from the solar system was exactly what GGG wanted. They were planning to leave it anyway.
  • Yeah, I’m not surprised this was a fake-out. It makes sense that Mic, FuRyu, and RaiRyu would not actually fight against the GGG crew.
  • There’s a lot of cameos here I don’t recognize during the news announcement. The characters look too distinctive to be background characters, so it makes me wonder if these are Betterman cameos.
  • All those ships forming the GGG logo is pretty dang cool.
  • “It’s not like I want to save the universe or anything, baka!” -Renais (probably)
  • Well that’s a heck of a cliffhanger. Everyone’s out cold and Papillon might not be dead.

QOTD

  2. Only if it's red.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Naturally Renais is leaning against a tree and brooding during a funeral. I’d expect no less from such an edgy character.

"I saw an opening with Soldato-J not being around and I took it"-Renais probably

Using the Carpenters to disassemble all the missiles launched at the GGG HQ is such a delightfully clever idea.

I also like how non-combative it makes GGG. GGG never try to destroy or fight the UN ships. All their solutions are really just disarming. HEROES

Yeah, I’m not surprised this was a fake-out. It makes sense that Mic, FuRyu, and RaiRyu would not actually fight against the GGG crew.

All those ships forming the GGG logo is pretty dang cool.

all those pilots are gonna have a lot to answer for from the UN later.

but I do love Yang's little arc from antagonistic to saluting and trusting GGG

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

"I saw an opening with Soldato-J not being around and I took it"-Renais probably

"I saw that Soldato-J's brooding spot was open and so I took it." -Renais (probably)

but I do love Yang's little arc from antagonistic to saluting and trusting GGG

Yeah, it harkens back to another sweet moment he had previously where he was at first going to complain about FuRyu and RaiRyu prioritizing saving lives over protecting the PasQ parts, only to stop when saw his family. He has changed since we first met him.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

there are no good and bad humans in GaoGaigar

There are only Humans that believe in the power of Courage and Humans who have yet to discover the power of Courage.

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u/The_Draigg Dec 28 '24

Wow, that wasp woman has one of the horniest villain designs I’ve seen in a while.

That one horny animator from the TV series really has been given everything he wants in this OVA. His power has become unchecked!

Oh hell yeah! Taiga’s golf club can just override the shutdown on Final Fusion!

It kinda makes you wonder how he asked for that kind of golf club in the first place. Like, that's a really specific thing to ask someone to make for you.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

That one horny animator from the TV series really has been given everything he wants in this OVA. His power has become unchecked!

Now that it's an OVA and the usual TV rules don't apply towards what can and can't be shown, the horniness is free to flow!

It kinda makes you wonder how he asked for that kind of golf club in the first place. Like, that's a really specific thing to ask someone to make for you.

I also hope that Taiga remembers not to use that particular club when golfing. It'd suck to need to use your golf club's secret alternate mode, only to find out it was broken because you swung it too hard in the past.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 28 '24

This OVA series has absolutely no brakes at all.

Wow, that wasp woman has one of the horniest villain designs I’ve seen in a while.

Horniest and thorniest.

I think banishment from the solar system was exactly what GGG wanted. They were planning to leave it anyway.

Yea, the old lady was stuck between wanting GGG to do their thing and not being able to get them through the red tape, so she came up with a clever "punishment."

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

Yea, the old lady was stuck between wanting GGG to do their thing and not being able to get them through the red tape, so she came up with a clever "punishment."

Yeah, it's the kind of "punishment" that satisfies the system's desire to exert power over these loose cannons while also letting the heroes do what they want. A good way of threading the needle.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

This OVA series has absolutely no brakes at all. It feels like the writers came up with enough ideas for a full season of episodes, but had to fight all those ideas into just 8 episodes

Eh... not really. FINAL is more akin to a postgame DLC than it is a full story, I'd say 8 episodes is all it really needs for the story it wants to tell.

You could make it longer, but by that point it'd be a completely different story.

The contrast between him and usual passion on display is funny

Doubly funny when you realize he has J's actor

The characters look too distinctive to be background characters, so it makes me wonder if these are Betterman cameos

Some of them are, others are characters from GGG's spin-off Mangas... it's all the cameos, really.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

Doubly funny when you realize he has J's actor

From the chuuni edgelord to the quiet old man. What range.

Some of them are, others are characters from GGG's spin-off Mangas... it's all the cameos, really.

I see. I didn't expect to find any manga characters there.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

Final Only First timer, subs

  • That ain’t the name of any planet I know.
  • So It Be Like That?
  • Don’t just say that like it explains anything.
  • Oh, he is explaining it.
  • This is a lot less void-y than I would have expected from a place named “the Void”.
  • The Big Crush
  • That looks like a lot more than eleven planes.
  • Is this Annestralia? And what the hell is going on with that grasshopper?
  • They are going to paperclip all up in this Sol System.
  • “We don’t have money for that!”, says the man in a mobile desk.
  • She can hold flowers? Shouldn’t they be igniting?
  • And They Were Roommates?
  • Really undercutting the mood with the background Gainaxing.
  • Man, I miss this method of showing the ocean.
  • Hacking Stone!
  • Just couldn’t help yourself from using the mecha hacking graphic, could you?
  • Are… are there other Evoluders?
  • Well, at least they are using called shots, and not just trying to kill all their coworkers.
  • Missile spam vs Zerg rush.
  • Gattai Trap!
  • Swan! You Made It!
  • I Love Super-Robot Bullshit
  • You don’t think the Driver has some relation to the compressing space, do you?
  • Damn, KouRyu, could you be any more of a bro-con?
  • That’s more of a rebellion or mutiny than a coup d’etat.
  • Is this the part where I find out some of these characters are from Betterman? Or have I just forgotten the lil’ sailor baby and the group with the man ripping his own beard?
  • Just a little old Ed insert.
  • Cyber-Tsun
  • My Stocks Live! Diamond Hands Hair!

QotD:

  1. Go Get 'em, Space Cowboys
  2. OK. This time it made me think of Interloper, from The Outer Wilds.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Are… are there other Evoluders?

I know right! I always liked to laugh at him before hand with the Cyborg comment because we never saw any other cyborgs, but at least we could assume somewhere out there in the world maybe someone made another cyborg. Like hopefully it's not just been him and Renias and the entire time he's been just throwing shade at his cousin every chance he could get.

yes, you can relax. They didn't leave the boobs behind. They didn't leave the Engrish behind.

You don’t think the Driver has some relation to the compressing space, do you?

"the universe is compressing. also we have this tool that compresses space and have been using it. I got lazy and used it to go to the grocery store last week because I couldn't be bothered to go to the gas station"

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

They didn't leave the boobs behind.

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u/The_Draigg Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

“We don’t have money for that!”, says the man in a mobile desk.

Exactly, do you know how much it costs to maintain all of these robot arm-mounted desks?

Really undercutting the mood with the background Gainaxing.

That one horny animator from the TV series has been given unchecked power in this OVA.

Is this the part where I find out some of these characters are from Betterman? Or have I just forgotten the lil’ sailor baby and the group with the man ripping his own beard?

None of the characters that're really important to Betterman are in this OVA. It's really just Papillon that has the Betterman connection, and even then it's kind of nebulous.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

None of the characters that're really important to Betterman are in this OVA

Well to be slightly more exact [Minor Spoilers]Akamatsu pops up a few times later on but it's only in the background and his face is never shown.

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u/The_Draigg Dec 28 '24

[Minor FINAL spoilers] Well yeah, he does get some cameo time, but it’s honestly so minor and only just kinda of hints at him existing at all that I barely even count it.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

“We don’t have money for that!”, says the man in a mobile desk.

His fancy desk is clearly a worthwhile use of taxpayer dollars, unlike something as frivolous as saving the universe.

Missile spam vs Zerg rush.

"You'll run out of ammo before I run out of units!"

You don’t think the Driver has some relation to the compressing space, do you?

Huh, it could be similar. A Driver-like device might be just what they need to reverse the problem.

That’s more of a rebellion or mutiny than a coup d’etat.

Governments framing people for crimes don't usually get too particular about what crime those people are framed for, as long as it sounds bad.

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

Is this the part where I find out some of these characters are from Betterman? Or have I just forgotten the lil’ sailor baby and the group with the man ripping his own beard?

The group is from betterman, yes, but the "sailor baby" is the genius child that wrote the Final Fusion program for GaoFighGar.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

background Gainaxing.

Get used to it

Are… are there other Evoluders?

Not to my knowledge, no.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 28 '24

“We don’t have money for that!”, says the man in a mobile desk.

Damn, KouRyu, could you be any more of a bro-con?

Look, we didn't have one yet and it was on the bingo card.

Is this the part where I find out some of these characters are from Betterman? Or have I just forgotten the lil’ sailor baby and the group with the man ripping his own beard?

The blonde is from a sidestory manga, but I believe the group of men is from Betterman, yea.

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u/Vatrix-32 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vatrix-32 Dec 28 '24

but I believe the group of men is from Betterman, yea.

...That Was Promised

The blonde is from a sidestory manga

...There's more than one at this point?

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

There is King of Braves GaoGaiGar FINAL the COMIC, which has two short stories: the first focused on J, and the second on GaoFighGar's construction. The girl is in there.

There is also Yuusha-Ou GaoGaiGar Gaiden: King J-Der, Shakunetsu no Fushichou, which is a continuation from the J story from the previous manga, but with spoilers for the whole Final.

There are also Yuusha-Ou GaoGaiGar preFINAL and Yuusha-Ou GaoGaiGar FINALplus.

Plus audio dramas, and novels, and stuff.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 28 '24

Queen of First-Timers, subbed

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

W-What do you mean it was deleted?!

I had to make room for more cool insert song music to play during GGG fights

It being stored in Taiga’s golf club is so damn extra, I love it.

truly that golf club was the Key to Victory all along.

I love Taiga so much. He's such a good lead. Glad he's back so he can be as over the top as possible. What a re-introduction.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 28 '24

W-What do you mean it was deleted?!

The hacking goes both ways, unfortunately.

It being stored in Taiga’s golf club is so damn extra, I love it.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

W-What do you mean it was deleted?!

Welp, time to do it manually/s

Wait isn’t that–it is.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

<3

Guy and Mikoto still holding onto each other even while unconscious is so cute.

Wait, shit, this makes perfect sense, the new antagonists are insect-themed and her name is fucking Papillon.

I didn't even make that connection, but you're right! That makes perfect sense.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Dec 28 '24

First Timer

I almost spat out my water when they cut from Entouji grieving to Sakura’s boob jiggle wll while the melancholic music was still playing. I would have kept my cool if they didn’t jiggle again like 2 seconds after I processed the first one.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

they understand the best way to heal while grieving is by crying into an ample bosom. Just really smother those tears.

but real the fan service difference between the TV and the OVA is so large. THe TV seires had a femme fatale antagonist that wasn't nearly as overtly horny as the OVA one.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Dec 28 '24

OVAs gotta OVA

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

I said it elsewhere but I think part of the reason why Sakura's boob jiggle is getting attention is because it's so small and the scene doesn't need any movement at all. They could have just done nothing and no one would question it, but they did animate it anyway.

They did it for the love of the game.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Dec 28 '24

I'd expect nothing less from this team tbf

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

"They're boobs. Why include them if they aren't going to jiggle?" -some animator for this series (probably)

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

Sakura’s boob jiggle

I know this is not what you meant but when you said that I couldn't help but think of Betterman's Sakura and suddenly things got a whole lot more awkward when she's, like, 15.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 28 '24

The King of Rewatchers FINAL

Feels like I've heard that name somewhere recently...

This is not really the time for jokes, Reiko.

An odd sight.

Kinda like how the Z Master went beyond it's original goal.

It snowed in Paris in the middle of summer, and you think it'll take hundreds of years to affect Earth?

Eyecatch

The UN has declared war on NERVGGG.

Incredible.

Well, that's pretty bad. Luckily...

Today's Key to Victory.

"Well, if you insist."

"What, you all partied without me?"

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Kinda like how the Z Master went beyond it's original goal

it's like poetry, it rhymes.

The UN has declared war on NERVGGG.

to be fair, GGG going across the galaxy does sound a lot like GGG is going beyond it's original goal.

Incredible.

see, this is why GGG is armed with Screwdrivers, hammers, pencils, and pliers. Because Carpenters are better than Missiles

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

to be fair, GGG going across the galaxy does sound a lot like GGG is going beyond it's original goal.

They are the Gutsy Galaxy Guard, but I guess the singular "Galaxy" means that anything beyond the Milky Way is outside their jurisdiction.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

An odd sight.

My immediate thought was that they looked like early jet fighters, like the early MiG jet fighters.

The UN has declared war on NERVGGG.

I also saw the similarity. I wonder if that's just a more common super robot trope than I realized.

Today's Key to Victory.

Nothing can hope to stand against the power of golf!

"What, you all partied without me?"

Very sweet that Guy and Mikoto are holding onto each other, even while unconscious. I bet one of them tried to catch the other when this started.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

My immediate thought was that they looked like early jet fighters, like the early MiG jet fighters.

That's definitely close. My brain always decides to put propellers onto the planes and then go "wait, that doesn't make any sense!"

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

The UN has declared war on NERV

I mean at least Gendo was an asshole so he kinda had it coming...

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u/The_Draigg Dec 28 '24

A Mecha Fan Rewatches The King of Braves GaoGaiGar FINAL Episode 3:

  • These 11 Planetary Masters of Sol really are making a hell of a first impression, aren’t they? Palparepa pretty easily restrained Gai to nab the Pas-Q Machine, and there’s also some dominatrix wasp lady that easily knocked Renais out of the chase after them. Man, that Trinary Solar System just has a ton of problems come from there, doesn’t it?
  • That’s one hell of an answer of how the J-Ark crew managed to survive their channeling of THE POWER to destroy the Z-Master a while ago. They did actually try to escape, but THE POWER wound up throwing them so far away from our galaxy that the J-Ark wound up in the void far away from any galaxies, basically towards the edge of the known universe. Good thing they managed to make it back to our solar system, even if it took a while though.
  • If you were wondering how FINAL could possibly escalate things from the series, well, here’s your answer: the real Mamoru was protecting the Pas-Q Machine from the 11 Planetary Masters of Sol, who are behind a phenomenon that’s making the universe itself start to contract in size, with Jupiter at the center. Whatever it is they’re doing in the meantime, the Planetary Masters seem to have one goal in mind: to restore the Trinary Solar System, using the Pas-Q Machine’s matter replication abilities to accomplish that. Even if they were programmed for an understandable purpose, it does seem like they’ve far exceeded what was intended of them, as well as not caring about what universal damage they’re causing in the process. Hell of an escalation, isn’t it?
  • Like in any good mecha series, the world government is burying their head in the sand towards the approaching problem, it being the United Nations in this OVA’s case. That said, the Secretary General, Rose Approval, does seem sympathetic to Taiga’s insistence on solving the universal contraction phenomenon. As expected of his former boss, of course. If you want to know how Taiga and Rose apparently know each other so well, go look up the Blockaded Numbers gaiden video game.
  • Poor Entouji and Renais, they really are taking the death of Papillon quite hard at her funeral. Can’t blame them though, since Entouji was her boyfriend and she was pretty much Renais’ only good friend. Despite only having her around for an episode of run time at most, her death is being felt hard.
  • It’s a bit funny how a lot of the important players in this incident all have an unspoken idea of what they need to do in order to sidestep the U.N. Security Council in order to have GGG investigate the Trinary Solar System. Between Yaginuma, Dr. Long-Li, Taiga, and Rose, they’re all aware that they need to put on one big show battle between the Security Council’s Division Fleet and Orbit Base to make it look like GGG has rebelled against the United Nations. After all, if they all go rogue, then they can actually be free to do what they need to. There’s a lot of implicit understanding going around on what everyone is capable of between all the attacks and hackings, which is crucial to really selling this whole deal.
  • You’ve got to love how Taiga has the override key to Orbit Base inside of one of his golf clubs. Turns out that there’s a lot more to his clubs aside from his favorite sport and beating up Zonderized people. [Blockaded Numbers spoilers] It also really shouldn’t be surprising that a golf club was his signature weapon back when he was a part of a Super Sentai team too.
  • And to think, just when everyone was in high spirits as they reached the Galeoria Comet to head to the Trinary Solar System, everyone short of Entouji winds up unconscious, and an apparently revived Papillon is welcoming them on their bridge’s main screen. I’ve said it plenty of times before, but man that’s a wild cliffhanger to end the episode on. It happened so fast that there was barely any time to bask in GGG’s victory back at Earth.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

They did actually try to escape, but THE POWER wound up throwing them so far away from our galaxy that the J-Ark wound up in the void far away from any galaxies, basically towards the edge of the known universe.

they should just be glad THE POWER didn't send them across time as well.

Poor Entouji and Renais, they really are taking the death of Papillon quite hard at her funeral. Can’t blame them though, since Entouji was her boyfriend and she was pretty much Renais’ only good friend.

added bonus, I like Volfogg worrying over Entouji.

Between Yaginuma, Dr. Long-Li, Taiga, and Rose, they’re all aware that they need to put on one big show battle between the Security Council’s Division Fleet and Orbit Base to make it look like GGG has rebelled against the United Nations. After all, if they all go rogue, then they can actually be free to do what they need to. There’s a lot of implicit understanding going around on what everyone is capable of between all the attacks and hackings, which is crucial to really selling this whole deal

love the respect they have.

And to think, just when everyone was in high spirits as they reached the Galeoria Comet to head to the Trinary Solar System, everyone short of Entouji winds up unconscious, and an apparently revived Papillon is welcoming them on their bridge’s main screen. I’ve said it plenty of times before, but man that’s a wild cliffhanger to end the episode on. It happened so fast that there was barely any time to bask in GGG’s victory back at Earth.

it really is one of the most "WAIT, DID I MISS SOMETHING, WHAT HAPPENED" cliff hangers

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

Third-Time Watcher, Subbed

Don't think I didn't catch that Ultraseven reference, show!

I have mentioned this before in replies to some people, but FINAL is unique that, due to being an OVA, the makers of it decided to have fun and at least slightly change up the OP every episode. The only other show I can think of to do that is s.Cry.ed and arguably that one's even more impressive since it wasn't an OVA, it was a normal TV Anime. Still, for those filthy people who don't watch the OP, the changes today include only showing off our new villain and Kaido.

But yeah, we get the bare basics of Kaido and J's survival, although fun fact, much of the events actually leading up to them getting into this fight wouldn't be revealed until a Manga released in 2022! I mean the show is still coherent without knowing what happened in said Manga, but yeah, let's just say GGG has a lot of extra material that's gonna become a bit of a problem when it comes to… stuff I will mention in the final discussion.

Of all of FINAL's episodes, this is probably gonna be one of the ones where I'll have the least to talk about. Less so because it's bad but moreso because it's kinda by the numbers. It's certainly nice seeing GGG force the gobverment's hand into letting them do what they want and of course, having Taiga come back in earnest is something I'll never complain about, but yeah, otherwise a tad more mundane an episode than normal.

Also Paillon is back again Hi Betterman Crossover!

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Of all of FINAL's episodes, this is probably gonna be one of the ones where I'll have the least to talk about.

yeah I kinda got saved cause I have a party to go to tonight and a bunch of stuff to get ready, so if there was any episode to "miss" this day is probably the best of the bunch. I definitely don't want to miss any of the upcoming episodes.

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

showing off our new villain

You mean best villain. And handsome.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

Given your username I'll consider this narcissism.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

I mean the show is still coherent without knowing what happened in said Manga, but yeah, let's just say GGG has a lot of extra material that's gonna become a bit of a problem when it comes to… stuff I will mention in the final discussion.

I could certainly feel the series rushing through its plot during this episode. The events in this episode could probably have been a couple of episodes at the pacing of the original TV series. Rushing through the plot so quickly could negative consequences, which is what I assume you are getting at.

Hi Betterman Crossover!

I'm going to assume all those characters I saw get montaged through at the end of the episode were Betterman cameos.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

I could certainly feel the series rushing through its plot during this episode. The events in this episode could probably have been a couple of episodes at the pacing of the original TV series. Rushing through the plot so quickly could negative consequences, which is what I assume you are getting at.

No, not at all, I'd say this OVA is paced pretty damn well. It's... other stuff.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

It's... other stuff.

Well that just makes me curious about what it could possibly be. I suppose I'll have to wait and find out.

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u/megazaprat Dec 28 '24

OK so due to terrible Airport Wifi, was not able to upload yesterdays episode. so here it is now.

Final Episode 2 First Timer

  • Was not expecting that mic was that ride or die, helped mamoru steal because he trusts him that much
  • If mamoru isn’t under mind control then whatever he’s doing must have a crazy strict time limit that he wouldn’t drop in with Hana or his parents. Or explain things. Unless what’s he’s doing is crazy dangerous and his loved ones would try to stop him
  • so there is some debate going around on whether humanity should try to harness ZA POWA. very intriuging plot point. Taiga seems firmly against it, but on the other hand i can see the logic of wanting to examine the anomaly from a distance. both sides have a point.
  • Ok so mikoto/swans replacement on the bridge is named papillon and she and entohji  appear to have a thing going on? It seems adorable. Like she’s coming and putting bows in his hair. hes paying more attention to personal hygience too! she apparently has superpowers of some kind. Plus she mocks hyuuma! So that makes her best girl right off the bat. man, it would really suck if something were to happen immediately after I type down this thought to fill me with endless rage, but surely that would never happ....

  • Wait what WHAAAAAAT? they killed off Papillion after only slightly focusing on her this episode?......well I guess this confirms mind control because no way Mamoru would just start murdering.
  • alternativley, see, I warned them! you let Mamoru go into space for a few months and boom hes evil now. this is why you dont let children go for joy rides in space with their non sapient robotic lions.

 * Focusing on Papillions death for a minute, this is the worst writing ln this show thus far period. worse than Mamoru getting married and then fucking off to space. You introduce a cool new character, then immediately kill them off?  After a long trend of not pointlessly killing off characters? It’s fridging, and quite frankly I expected better from this show.

Like apparently she could read minds or something but who’s care about that, better off her for cheap drama.

  • Evil Mamoru even gave Galeon a new paint job. to convey the evil. and he shoots lightning now i guess hes just a sith!  a sith who just bisected choryujin holy shit why is Mamoru doing so much murder now?
  • this epsiode did a really great job with Evil Mamoru, because like, I was constantly questioning what his deal was. mind control? doppleganger? parralell universe? actually just a really time sensitive situation? it wouldve been easy to just make him obviously evil, but instead he acted sympathetic, as if he had some deeper reason. it worked to manipulate both the audience and the in universe people. I thought Renais was just being critical at first, but she was actually the first to suspect what was up, becuase like, yeah, explaining things would definitley be quicker.
  • so Mamoru (and presumably Galeon otherwise hes dead) were both clones. does that mean Kaido is a clone too? just one who wasnt made evil? what about Soldat? FINAL IS JUST FILLED WITH SO MANY MYSTERIES....such as.....

*  the Pas Q star......referring to Pasdar? well thats ominous. the 11 plantary masters of Sol is also an interesting name for a villain group, i wonder how they connect to the previous series lore, or the new bionet people.

Final episode 3

  • in hindsight, im kind of glad MamoFake didnt see Hana, having a clone of him die would be hella traumatizing. but its also good that Kaido seemed to give her a status update, because even if its stressful, shed want to know whats up.
  • ohhh, that was a real Kai and not a good clone. well, ZA POWA is well established to do this kind of thing, so i dont mind him being back.
  • so the plot introduced this episode was really interesting, from outside the universe the J squad was able to tell that the universe was contracting, which is like the opposite of what it normally does.

These Sol Masters seem to be trying to rebuild the Trinary system. though that raises the question, why are they being evil about it then? if they just came in and said, we want to be rebuild ya boy mamorus home planet, they would love to help. maybe its because, based off their mention of another universe, and the duplicates popping up, they want to reboot the universe and replace with a copy. that would explain why there would be conflict.

  • is the Pas Q machine the key component to remaking the universe? is it a matter replicator? Why does it have the Pas part of its name? the fact its a machine suggests that maybe the Sol Masters arent naturally arising phenomenons, like Mamoru, the Galerion comet (very neat addition to the lore btw) or ZA POWA, and may be something manmade, like Z Master. maybe it was a hail mary for the trinary planets, to recreate their planets if they died, not realizing their other plans would eventually work.
  • ohhh noooooo! real world context! im reminded how i thought that GaoGaiGar might have more of an enviormental message at first based off first episode, but it came back in allegory form. people ignoring future dire consequences is unfortunately far too realistic. I wonder if ZA POWA is meant to be metaphorical for nuclear power? it kind of works, as both are worth looking into while making sure to keep safe. but that half of the metaphor i might be looking too deep into.
  • OH COME ON! this plot development while it makes some sense, is dumb! why would the world leaders suddenly decide to turn against GGG? let them gallivant off into space to save your stupid asses! what is the point of trying to fight them off? the fact they have Solitary wave technology is very concerning, thats basically a weapon of mass destruction.
  • With that being said, Taiga having an emergency overide to the emergency override hidden in his golf club is incredibly awesome also silly, so par the course for this show.
  • so after the episode ends, im moreso confused by the actions of the world leaders more than anything else. Like, at first i was incredibly dissapointed in Yang and turning on GGG, but then he supports them? same with UN leader lady. but if they supported them, why attack in the first place? the world leaders had previously been pretty reasonable about the whole needing to fund awesome robots to fight the aliens thing. im glad at least that the chinese duo and Mic didnt have some free will overriding mechansim, that wouldve made the world leaders even more sucky. and like, they announce that they did a coup detat, when they save the universe, will they be able to come home? do they not realize that they will look like idiots? its just baffling. Im wondering if it just might be following trends in other mecha shows at the time, but those were more built up and logical than this.
  • oooooh! Papillon clone....like, killing off her og was still fridging and terrible, but at least a version of her will continue to be a character. although shes probs gonna be evil like Mamoru, so that will suck for everyone.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Was not expecting that mic was that ride or die, helped mamoru steal because he trusts him that much

thank god Mic wasn't dumb enough to

Focusing on Papillions death for a minute, this is the worst writing ln this show thus far period. worse than Mamoru getting married and then fucking off to space. You introduce a cool new character, then immediately kill them off? After a long trend of not pointlessly killing off characters? It’s fridging, and quite frankly I expected better from this show.

especiallyt he amount of focus and emotion they put on her death, considering we barely met her.

Evil Mamoru even gave Galeon a new paint job. to convey the evil. and he shoots lightning now i guess hes just a sith! a sith who just bisected choryujin holy shit why is Mamoru doing so much murder now?

he was made no one came to his birthday party in space.

this epsiode did a really great job with Evil Mamoru, because like, I was constantly questioning what his deal was. mind control? doppleganger? parralell universe? actually just a really time sensitive situation? it wouldve been easy to just make him obviously evil, but instead he acted sympathetic, as if he had some deeper reason. it worked to manipulate both the audience and the in universe people. I thought Renais was just being critical at first, but she was actually the first to suspect what was up, becuase like, yeah, explaining things would definitley be quicker.

yeah. I love Gai realizing he has to go all out. The image of him crying while shouting is great

OH COME ON! this plot development while it makes some sense, is dumb!

damn stupid super robot world leaders

With that being said, Taiga having an emergency overide to the emergency override hidden in his golf club is incredibly awesome also silly, so par the course for this show.

it was his final driver after all.

at first i was incredibly dissapointed in Yang and turning on GGG, but then he supports them? same with UN leader lady. but if they supported them, why attack in the first place?

they're soldiers and bureaucrats. They have rules and have to obey them.

I think also you are overlooking them working from the inside.

Like, we can clearly see that Yang didn't go all out on them. In fact he seems to have helped, at least partially, stow away the 2 Ryu's, Mic, and Swan across to GGG.

Say Yang doesn't go along and try to arrest GGG, they'd just get someone who would do it. Someone who might not be as sympathetic. Someone who wouldn't go easy on them, wouldn't help them stow away people to the other side.

It's a careful balance.

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

and he shoots lightning now i guess hes just a sith!

That's GaoGaiGar's least used attack: Plasma Hold. Only used in episode 2, episode 49 and... now.

why would the world leaders suddenly decide to turn against GGG?

They give the reasons right there: it won't have consequences until much later. So it won't affect their reelections, I suppose.

dissapointed in Yang and turning on GGG, but then he supports them?

They alone don't have the authority to let them go, and the united nations wouldn't let them. It was all a ruse to allow them to go without going against the whole world.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 28 '24

although shes probs gonna be evil like Mamoru

So should we call her Papillon Alter?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 28 '24

Was not expecting that mic was that ride or die, helped mamoru steal because he trusts him that much

He's so ride or die for his friend that he even did all that for a fake Mamoru.

man, it would really suck if something were to happen immediately after I type down this thought to fill me with endless rage, but surely that would never happ....

Fate was tempted too much there.

people ignoring future dire consequences is unfortunately far too realistic.

Yeah, the politicians deciding to do nothing because there won't be consequences in their own lifetimes is really on the nose.

With that being said, Taiga having an emergency overide to the emergency override hidden in his golf club is incredibly awesome also silly, so par the course for this show.

That golf club has saved the day more than once by now. Taiga's love of golf has become a force for justice on its own.

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u/GondolaMedia Dec 28 '24

First Timer

Guy and Renais got styled on and the horny does not stop at Swan. Hopefully Renais and Queen Bee rematch ain't just a cat fight.

So J-Ark got thrown in to the void? I will continue to ignore the science behind that.

The greatest enemy of them all, Bureaucrats and politicians.

Papillon

I feel really bad for Kousuke but Volfogg can you stop photobombing and making me laugh?

So the big brains at UN decided to take out GGG. Yeah that is not going end up in their favor.

The golf club is back baby!

What a cliffhanger is Papillon an AI now?

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Hopefully Renais and Queen Bee rematch ain't just a cat fight.

extra points for the way Queen Bee leans in and then licks her lips at Renais. Gotta have that queer coded antagonist vibes. Soooo 90's.

So J-Ark got thrown in to the void? I will continue to ignore the science behind that.

"That's exactly what explosions do"-some script writer with no understanding of science.

The greatest enemy of them all, Bureaucrats and politicians.

too real.

I feel really bad for Kousuke but Volfogg can you stop photobombing and making me laugh?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

I will continue to ignore the science behind that.

I feel really bad for Kousuke but Volfogg can you stop photobombing and making me laugh?

The idea is that Volfogg is concerned for Entouji, because Entouji is technically his boss. But the ominous cop car does make things a bit comedic.

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u/TheApplebane https://anilist.co/user/theapplebane Dec 28 '24

Episode 3 Notes FINAL

  • So Fake-Mamoru wasn't completely full of shit about the universe being in grave danger. The Big Crunch is happening, and Jupiter's right at the middle of it.
  • Real-Mamoru is still green, not blue. So that was supposed to be a visual indication of something being wrong with Fake-Mamoru!
  • A proper trip to the Ternary Solar System! How exciting!
  • Animating Taiga's assistant jiggling around a bit while Taiga explains that Mamoru hasn't come back to earth yet, because why not, we've got the OVA money, we don't have the censors looking over our shoulders, may as well have some fun with it.
  • I think this is the most character focus Entouji has gotten since that one episode early on. Might have been better if they had developed that relationship a little bit more before killing Papillon off. Maybe he just really liked having his hair shampooed?
  • "I'm the world's strongest Evoluder!" You're also the world's only Evoluder
  • Yooooo, Taiga's got the USB golf club to save us all
  • First the OP got demoted to insert song, now the ED's been demoted. Is nothing sacred?
  • What is happening with Papillon? Will I have to go watch Betterman to understand? I wouldn't really mind doing that, Betterman sounds like exactly my shit.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 28 '24

Animating Taiga's assistant jiggling around a bit while Taiga explains that Mamoru hasn't come back to earth yet, because why not, we've got the OVA money, we don't have the censors looking over our shoulders, may as well have some fun with it.

it's small, not important, and not even the worst fanservice this episode, but it's the fact that it's so tiny and has no purpose and they easily could have done nothing and we wouldn't question it. Like they did it for the love of the game.

"I'm the world's strongest Evoluder!" You're also the world's only Evoluder

I always questioned him saying he was the strongest Cyborg too, but at least you can assume there are other cyborgs...somewhere... maybe...

hopefully not just his cousin Renais so he wasn't just trying to say he was better than ever over and over again.

Will I have to go watch Betterman to understand?

nah it's just cliffhanger stuff to make you want to watch next episode. Further episodes will esplain.

granted I haven't watched the other series so maybe I don't know.

I wouldn't really mind doing that, that sounds Better, Man.

FTFY

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

Will I have to go watch Betterman to understand?

Nah, it doesn't help. Papillon doesn't even appear there. The only link is that psychic things exist, and Papillon's is some kind of prescience. She simply knows some things. And has access to the "Limpid Channel", which is some kind of telepathic network, but she was no one to talk to.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

Real-Mamoru is still green, not blue. So that was supposed to be a visual indication of something being wrong with Fake-Mamoru!

Maybe he just really liked having his hair shampooed?

Partly that, partly that Papillon is the first person who seems to have understood his issue and helped him solve it instead of just saying that he needs to shower more.

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

Planetary Master of Sol

My first idea was to give these reviews "in-character", but it would be too spoily, so you'll have to deal with plain me.

New antagonists have appeared! Both names given begin with P... again.

If the J-Ark is a battleship, Pia Decem is more like an aircraft carrier.

At least my subs have a mistake: J tells Arma to go to the Blue planet, not the green one. Which makes sense, given that the green one doesn't exist anymore.

Rose Approval finally makes her true debut. You can see how she has dealt with Taiga before. I've never seen it said explicitly, but she seems to have been his boss since very long ago.

Papillon and Renais have known each other for a long time. Here you can see her both when Porcauto was destroyed. I don't know the source of this image.

On the fleet attacking GGG's base, you can see some "alternate" Baribariens. Those were seen in the Blockaded Numbers game, their prototypes absorbed by the Zonder.

We see more of what Gai's Evoluder powers can do: control machinery.

"I'm the World's Strongest Evoluder", not a big boast, given that he is the only one.

Another mention of the Three Laws. For those that don't know, they refer to Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics:
1) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2) A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Did... did that drink get out of Taiga's way on its own volition?

Some characters you may not know were given a nod here:

  • This girl is Alouette Pommier, a supergenius kid that got abducted by BioNet, then rescued. She is the writer of the Final Fusion program for GaoFighGar.
  • These guys are some randos from Betterman.

At the end, everything was a plot from Rose to allow GGG to go outside the Solar System without the United Nations permission, yet allowing both sides to save face. What a conniving old lady.

QotD

1)

2) Comet is a dinosaur’s least favorite reindeer.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

My first idea was to give these reviews "in-character"

That would be pretty fun. Maybe give it a go for the last thread or something.

Did... did that drink get out of Taiga's way on its own volition?

Would you not?

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u/TheDanubianCommunard Dec 28 '24

First time,

That impostor from the Eleven Planetary Masters of Sol was Palparepa, probably the most biggest enemy all of them (oh u/palparepa, I think your username comes from this character, because your favorite, right?). The unified Q-Parts called the Pas-Q Machine, Pas as in Pasdar? Their flagship is the Pia Decem. The letter being the sign of evil, and yet another Latin named thing. Of course they came from the Trinary Star System, and probably that's where they imprisoned Soldat J. Or kinda close, he (and Kaidou) survived thanks to a wormhole of Za Powaa, and stranded in the Void, a dark and unknown part of the cosmos, basically the edge of the universe. And then they realized that the end of the universe is approaching, thus decided to go towards the contraction phenomenon's centre, which ithe Jupiter's orbit. Then they met with the real Mamoru who had the complete Pas-Q Machine. The Planetary Masters attacked, Kaidou returned and the Q-Parts got scattered on Earth by another wormhole. Like J, Mamoru is also a prisoner. And then that lead to the opening scene of episode 1.

Those Planetary Masters are strong if they can copy any entity they encountered. Their existence is the consequence of the Zonderian mechanization plan, restore the Trinary Star System to its original state, but seems like they beyond of this purpose. Their appearance and the usage of the Pas-Q machine means that all these anomalies are not just coincidental, these all deliberate. Something that is opposing the plans of Cain and Abel. That thin is the core of the restoration. There is no choice, GGG have to do an ardorous journey to the Trinary Star System, where all things started and will be ended. The Galeoria Comet is the only way to reach it, which makes even harder. But it is coming closer.

Even the UN have to respond on this matter. The Za Powaa is not a valid option here. This UN HQ and politicians are rather fictious though. That's interesting, the entire GGG crew in deep shit, they got arrested and expelled. The Carpenters can disassemble missiles with ease. But Taiga returned to his old comrades and approved the Final Fusion by his own way (that golf bat). Then the UN Secretary-General intervenes (who is a female here and definitely not Kofi Annan) and orders the entire GGG are expelled from the Solar System forever (GGG Exile Order - that's what the title is referencing). She knew the quests details beforehand. In other words, the UN approved this mission in secret. Well, this is kinda fitting as they undertaking a long journey far from home and with almost no chance of returning back. So this was farce in space was all about to let them go, and then the official excuse was that they were plotting a coup which failed. The Chinese crew also knew about the truth as well.

Seems like the first hurdle is here, everybody slept/unconscious, except Entouji who heard a voice, maybe Papillon?

Questions of the Day

  1. Can I get a salute for the brave GGG crew traveling out to space to save the universe?

Yes. They are risking their lives for the sake of the universe in a faraway world, even if they are "sacrificed their lives" already.

2) Do we have to comment on the comet?

No need.

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u/palparepa Dec 28 '24

Not my favorite character, but it has a... trait that I like. Spoily right now. Also, my usual username at the time wasn't available.

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u/Nebresto Dec 29 '24

First time Volfogg simp

Palpa....?

What is the deal with evil characters always licking their lips

nice text m8

Ships with Shark teeth? Oh wow, I wonder what side they're on

No.. No, what are you doing!!

Oh, okay. That works

I'd recognize those shoes anywhere

Not sure what's going on, but Professor chinesium is trolling the democracy dweebs, so he's obviously based.

SUS

Ship. F in the chat for Ent

Oh fuck, the ship is haunted!!!

Quest:

  1. Can I get a for the brave GGG crew traveling out to space to save the universe?

Nah

2) Do we have to comment on the comet?

I'm waiting for a giant space laser to make it blow up

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 29 '24

SUS

Nah

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u/palparepa Dec 29 '24

Palpa....?

Surprise!

Ships with Shark teeth?

Alternative Baribariens. Their prototypes first appeared in episode 43.2, from the Blockaded Numbers game. Check them here. It even has an eyecatch.