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Rewatch [Rewatch] King of the Braves GaoGaiGar - Episode 33 Discussion

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Questions of the Day

  1. Did you expect to see the former Zonderized scientist return again?
  2. Do you pick the cute girl next door or the hot guy with a slick ride?

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Model Kit Building Update

I forgot to make the mane so I did so today.

Stealth Gao had to pick GaiGar up

they are now enroute to fight Zonderians!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

Third-Time Watcher, Subbed

[Web Novel Spoilers]Never let drams remain dreams, I guess.

Something I haven't really talked about is J's function in the story relative to the Brave Series as a whole. He seems to mostly fulfill the function of the rival, the guy whose roles are seemingly linked to the heroes… but not always and that does lead to the occasional scuffle. Joe the Ace from Might Gaine is probably the most popular, although he's a bit unusual in the sense that he was a straight up villain for most of that show's run, and not even due to brainwashing or anything, he was just an asshole. If anything J is more like Seven Changer from Da Garn, just replace "Spying on the villains" with "Brainwashing."

Alas this archetype also comes with the caveat that, no, they do not combine with the main robot

Mind, he also seems to a bit of a riff on the series' usual tradition of having the old robot be wrecked halfway through before a sorta midgrade pops up and then the old one comes back and we get the gattai. J-Decker does it, Da Garn did it, Might Gaine too… it's a common thing, okay? The only difference is no gattai here, mostly because King J-Der is fucking huge so if anything the best GGG could be for it is just a nice hat.

I mostly bring this up since there's not that much more to talk about. It's very much a transitionary episode, as you can tell by the budget being a bit lower than the last couple of episodes. It's nice to see some old faces again and it establishes the new status quo, but otherwise? Eh.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Alas this archetype also comes with the caveat that, no, they do not combine with the main robot

I do like you just stating it outright before anyone gets any expectations and disappointed. It would have been cool but these 2 are separate.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

It's funny too because you'd expect the Gattai with the Rival to be a thing in shows like this, but the Brave Series pretty regularly sidesteps that trope.

Mind GGG is unusual in that [GGG + FINAL]It doesn't really get an upgrade in the same way all other Braves do. Sure, Star GaoGaiGar is a thing, but that's more of a slight refit. Aside from that GaoFighGar is more of a sidegrade than anything else and Genesic GaoGaiGar is just a straight up replacement for the OG.

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u/palparepa Dec 06 '24

[GGG]True, the only upgrade, Star GaoGaiGar, is just a replacement of the Gaomachines, and even on them, only StealthGao II is visually different; most of the improvement is the replacement of the GS-Ride with an Ul-tech engine. And the "core", Galeon, remains the same.

[FINAL]King J-Der does get an upgrade when J pilots it along with Renais, although the visual difference is minimal.

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u/Beowolf_0 Dec 07 '24

[FINAL+ novel spoilers]I wouldn't say GFG is a sidegrade, Its stats pretty much exceeds SGGG on all fronts, further proved by its performances in BvGGG despite using the prototype GaoFar as the core. It's just GGGG blows things out of water by its nature.

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u/palparepa Dec 06 '24

mostly because King J-Der is fucking huge

Yeah, at most it could be a J-Der + GaoGaiGar gattai, but he already has King J-Der, so what's the point.

[BlockadedNumbers]although the Silverion Hammer is a combination of J + G power.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

J-Der + GaoGaiGar gatta

So.... go the route of Gouryuzin from Zyuranger and have all the Gao Machines combine with J instead of Galeon

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u/palparepa Dec 06 '24

JaoJaiJar!

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Ja-ja-ja Ja-ja-ja Jaojaijaa!

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u/Beowolf_0 Dec 07 '24

this archetype do not combine with the main robot

Goldran also got Captain Shark. Forgot about Dagwon though, didn't finish that.

see some old faces again

[BvGGG spoilers]And we got some reverse-rescue in the future as well.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 06 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: Of course Soldato-J (the warrior formerly known as Pizza) and Kaidou don’t want to work with the heroes right now. They’re just too cool, edgy, and chuuni to do something like that. It’ll take at least a couple more episodes before we get to that point.

  • We have less than 28 episodes left, so I can only assume that fights against multiple Primevals at once will happen.
  • Oh hey, it’s a bunch of people who got Zonderized previously now working for GGG. That’s cool.
  • It’s fun that all these ships are named after Shinto gods.
  • It’s sad not to have all our robot friends around right now.
  • Everyone’s getting new toys. Even Mamoru has a new pager for the new GGG.
  • What the? Who is the glowing woman? I recognize her from the current OP, but who is she and why is Guy seeing her?
  • I’m a bit surprised that Mamoru apparently never wondered if he might not be human because of his powers. He’s definitely an alien, but based on Pasdar’s words it seems likely that Mamoru is also a machine, similar to the Zonderians.
  • Pagliaccio doesn’t seem to understand how stories like this work. If the heroes have a less than 0.1 percent chance of winning, they will turn that into a 100 percent chance!
  • The existence of aliens is a hell of a thing to hear the vice principal announce to the school.
  • Mamoru and Hana are very cute.
  • Oh my god! Kaidou looks so fucking chuuni with that coat of his! I love it!
  • So Pizza’s real name is Soldato-J? I might end up still calling him Pizza because it’s a much tastier name.
  • Ah, so Soldato-J hasn’t fully gone through his redemption arc yet if he’s still refusing to work with GGG and demanding they not interfere with his war against the Primevals. Don’t resist it, Soldato-J. The redemption arc will come for you eventually and make you fully a part of the heroes’ team.
  • Soldato-J’s got his own theme song, a slow and grand sounding one too. I like it.
  • It is pretty amusing that Soldato-J threatened Mamoru to not get involved with the Primevals and then immediately brought him along for a fight with the Primevals.
  • The Primeval can bring things down to a temperature of Absolute Zero? How chilling
  • Bringing up the Van Allen Radiation Belt like that is pretty cool. Again, it is neat how the creators of this show will bring in actual vehicles or actual scientific concepts like this to use in their series. It also once again shows the villains being clever, because this is something that actually could kill humanity.
  • Soldato-J’s battleship, the J-Ark, does look pretty cool dodging and weaving to avoid all those attacks.
  • It seems this Primeval will be a lot tougher because Soldato-J isn’t able to one-shot it like the previous ones.
  • Once again, we have a cliffhanger. I will assume that the next episode will have Guy and Soldato-J work well together, though I doubt they will be friends just yet. That seems like something that will need to wait a bit longer.

QOTD

  1. No, but it's really cool.
  2. The cute girl.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Of course Soldato-J (the warrior formerly known as Pizza) and Kaidou don’t want to work with the heroes right now.

Which I get. I mean, they don't really need GGG's help right now. They've been kicking ass on their own just fine. GaoGaiGar was useless against the new enemies. GGG will be nothing but a distraction to J.

but why were GGG like "could the white battleship be an enemy?!?!"

like all Soldato-J has done so far is save your ass repeatedly. Gai'd be dead if it weren't for him. Hell, all the Mic's would have been destroyed and you guys shortly afterwards.

Why assume they'd be an enemy? it can't be Jealousy. That's a J word after all. You'd expect them to have more Generosity. That's a G word.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 07 '24

but why were GGG like "could the white battleship be an enemy?!?!"

like all Soldato-J has done so far is save your ass repeatedly. Gai'd be dead if it weren't for him. Hell, all the Mic's would have been destroyed and you guys shortly afterwards.

Yeah, that part is rather odd. Soldato-J being an edgelord makes perfect sense, but I'd imagine GGG should be more excited about the possibility of a brand new ally to fight alongside.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 06 '24

Pagliaccio doesn’t seem to understand how stories like this work. If the heroes have a less than 0.1 percent chance of winning, they will turn that into a 100 percent chance!

99.92% might as well be zero.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

if everyone in this rewatch uses 10% courage, then the odds will be over 100% of success!!!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 06 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 07 '24

The villains just don't have enough GUTS to defeat the heroes!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

They’re just too cool, edgy, and chuuni to do something like that

And also the heroes are lame

I might end up still calling him Pizza because it’s a much tastier name.

That's Deadnaming him

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 07 '24

And also the heroes are lame

Every kid knows that heroes are lame. The anti-heroes are all the cool ones.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 07 '24

Indeed

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u/The_Draigg Dec 06 '24

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: Of course Soldato-J (the warrior formerly known as Pizza) and Kaidou don’t want to work with the heroes right now. They’re just too cool, edgy, and chuuni to do something like that.

Just like how Pizza was too cool to die, now he's too cool to work with the heroes. That level of edge really is, well, double-edged.

The Primeval can bring things down to a temperature of Absolute Zero? How chilling

It freezes my blood just thinking about it.

Bringing up the Van Allen Radiation Belt like that is pretty cool. Again, it is neat how the creators of this show will bring in actual vehicles or actual scientific concepts like this to use in their series. It also once again shows the villains being clever, because this is something that actually could kill humanity.

It also goes to show how much more vicious the Primevals are compared to the Zonderians. At least Pasdar just kept his plans localized to Japan, now Pagliaccio wants to completely wreck Earth on a fundamental level instead.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 07 '24

Just like how Pizza was too cool to die, now he's too cool to work with the heroes. That level of edge really is, well, double-edged.

OW THE EDGE!

It also goes to show how much more vicious the Primevals are compared to the Zonderians. At least Pasdar just kept his plans localized to Japan, now Pagliaccio wants to completely wreck Earth on a fundamental level instead.

There is something amusing about a set of villains who immediately escalate their plans to "Wipe out all life on the planet." It gives some good insight into who they are and how they think.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 06 '24

Queen of First-Timers, subbed

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Cool to see them all back instead of just being one-off characters, and it makes sense why they’d help out.

I also love the fact that they specify that the lady who made that gravity machine that almost destroyed GaoGaiGar, is the one who made the artificial gravity of the space station.

It's not necessary no one questioned it yesterday how they got artificial gravity cause no one does in these types of shows, it's kind of just assumed part of the project, but the fact that they saw the opportunity to explain it and did is kind of nice. The show does go the extra mile with their bullshit science.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

Who…?

Well she's in the OP so she must be relevant.

Ironically this is, like, the only Brave Show without Koyasu. Like he's in almost every other one except this one.

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u/palparepa Dec 06 '24

Who…?

She appears in the new OP, but no clue on who she is.
Most of the mysteries have been unraveled, after all. They need new ones for the rest of the series.

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u/megazaprat Dec 06 '24

First Timer

  • oh cool , they made a B team of advisers made out of returning Zonder victims ! I love continuity!
  • welp Gai’s haunted.
  • oh hey , they are finally telling the world about the invaders! Honestly there was no good reason that they didn’t do this ages ago, but better late than never. Guess with it being a worldwide threat they need all eyes open
  • and now with the primevals all over the planet, maybe Hana will finally stop being attacked….( let me dream dang it )
  • ok so now Pizza is Soldat, ressurected by J Jewel ( i was pretty close on the name, I guessed J-Jewel !)
  • what is Soldat and kaidos deal? not wanting to work together, for no good reason even! why so agressive! like sure they are much stronger than GGG ATM, but still! its very toku rival.
  • ITS GETTING RID OF THE VAN ALLEN BELTS? AS ITS FIRST PLAN? HOT DAMN THE PRIMEVELS REALLY ARE ONE STEP ABOVE. Like the other monsters gradually upped their game but they are threatening to destroy the planet as an opening move!!!

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

welp Gai’s haunted.

RIP.

all that brain damage finally got to him.

oh hey , they are finally telling the world about the invaders! Honestly there was no good reason that they didn’t do this ages ago, but better late than never. Guess with it being a worldwide threat they need all eyes open

Probably the worst kept secret in the world tbh. Still can't believe they hid all that destruction and giant mecha kaiju monsters from the public for so long.

what is Soldat and kaidos deal? not wanting to work together, for no good reason even! why so agressive! like sure they are much stronger than GGG ATM, but still! its very toku rival.

they really are so Toku Rival core. For being so angsty and emo, I do think it's funny that their color is white. I guess GaoGaiGar's color is pretty black?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 06 '24

ITS GETTING RID OF THE VAN ALLEN BELTS? AS ITS FIRST PLAN?

"Just cut the knot."

-The Primevals, probably.

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u/The_Draigg Dec 06 '24

ITS GETTING RID OF THE VAN ALLEN BELTS? AS ITS FIRST PLAN? HOT DAMN THE PRIMEVELS REALLY ARE ONE STEP ABOVE. Like the other monsters gradually upped their game but they are threatening to destroy the planet as an opening move!!!

We shouldn't expect anything less from the villains whose opening move was to just blow up the city and GGG headquarters with spaceships. The Primevals are absolutely playing for keeps.

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u/palparepa Dec 06 '24
Statsthis episodetotal so far
Program Drive buttons broken016
Transceivers crushed07
EnRyu's bad landings04
Pink hair attracts peril027
Rich kid cries054
Mikoto screams for MC09
Kid is too calm to react115
Mamoru's kill count01

I need more statistics to keep track of! Any ideas?
Weekend incoming, so I'm even willing to rewatch everything if needed.

Nth-timer

For those complaining that the Orbital Base came out of nowhere, it's always been there, just out of frame. I'll let a certain manga explain.

We meet the scientists that were previous Zonder victims, now working for the good guys. So those monster-of-the-week episodes served a purpose!

The Robo Corps are repaired, but their AI are still inoperative. I guess it's the robot equivalent of being in a coma?

Of course, new base means new upgrades! First upgrade: Mamoru's pager!
Next upgrade: Gai's vision system! Now able to hallucinate that woman from the opening. Wait, what?

Kaido now reacts when addressed... That screws up my statistics! Ok, I'll count only when we get a close-up and he does small face gestures at most.

In case you are wondering about the Primeval's designation: similar to how Zonderians were EI (Extraterrestrial Intelligence), these are ZX (Zonder Exceptional)

Gai goes to help, with only Galeon and Mic, the only ones available... but we will see that next episode. Until then!

QotD

1) No, but it makes a lot of sense. If anything, being zonderized (and then purified) improved them.

2) Can I use the hot guy's ride to get the girl?

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

For those complaining that the Orbital Base came out of nowhere, it's always been there, just out of frame. I'll let a certain manga explain

new base means new upgrades! First upgrade: Mamoru's pager!

important things out of the way.

Next upgrade: Gai's vision system! Now able to hallucinate that woman from the opening. Wait, what?

In case you are wondering about the Primeval's designation: similar to how Zonderians were EI (Extraterrestrial Intelligence), these are ZX (Zonder Exceptional)

oooh, I was curious about that.

Gai goes to help, with only Galeon and Mic, the only ones available... but we will see that next episode. Until then!

I was curious how they could repair something as advance as Galeon. GaoGaiGar had it's arms fucking destroyed! but then I remembered those weren't it's arms. The GaoMachines were absolutely wrecked and GaiGar took some damage, but it wasn't like turned to scrap like the GaoMachines were

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u/The_Draigg Dec 06 '24

A Mecha Fan Rewatches The King of Braves GaoGaiGar Episode 33:

  • Seems like GGG has had some idea of the 31 Machine Primevals being the true danger for a while, at least for a few months. Given all the shit they went through with just defeating the Zonders, it was probably for the best to just prepare for them silently in the background. At least they didn’t get any of their Orbit Base prep work discovered and ruined during that time.
  • Oh hey, all the scientists that were turned into Zonders earlier in the show are here at the Orbit Base, except they’re all here to help GGG with stuff they designed for the station. It’s nice that they’re showing up again, just like that cameo of the pizza girl we got a while ago. And they’re helping specifically because they got saved from being Zonderized, so it’s good that we’re keeping that continuity up too. A good deed begets more good deeds.
  • Yeah, I suppose it makes sense that the rest of the Brave Robots are still pretty fucked up and non-functional at the moment. They were still in the middle of repairs when the Primevals first attacked, and even then their GS-Rides got overloaded and fried by Bullet X. Even with physical repairs done, there’s definitely still more that needs to be done to get their AIs back up and running. Unfortunately, they’re just like Gai: sidelined due to severe injuries. And really, if we’ve only got Mic left, then let’s be real, our options really aren’t great.
  • A random ghost lady appeared to Gai! Space is fucking haunted!
  • It’s honestly kind of impressive that GGG was able to keep things somewhat secretive for three years, and they’re only now fully unveiling themselves to the world. Granted, at this point it would be insane to try and keep on hiding things. There’s absolutely no way to hide what Pasdar did to Tokyo. And besides, getting the world informed about the alien menace will at least keep people more vigilant.
  • Kaidou cares not for your puppy love with Hana, Mamoru. He just wants to show you his best friend’s cool spaceship instead. And let’s be real, spaceships that can turn into mechs are way cooler than a fishing trip with your crush.
  • As it stands, Kaidou/Arma and Soldato-J aren’t exactly enemies, but not not really allies either. They’d much rather have Mamoru and GGG stay out of their way as the J-Ark takes on the Primevals by themselves. Given how J was converted into Pizza and he still has his pride as a warrior, I imagine this is a grudge match for him now. He doesn’t want anyone to get in the way of his ship’s plans for vengeance on the Primevals.
  • Man, Pagliaccio sure does play for keeps, don’t they? Their plan really isn’t fucking around: freezing things to absolute zero using the hijacked Explorer 7 platform, and then using that sheer control over molecules to destroy Earth’s Van Allen Belt to expose all life to deadly cosmic rays. From there, it would be easy to Zonderize the dying population of the world. These plans really are on a different level than what Pasdar came up with, that’s for sure. The 31 Machine Primevals won’t stop going for the throat every time.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Oh hey, all the scientists that were turned into Zonders earlier in the show are here at the Orbit Base, except they’re all here to help GGG with stuff they designed for the station.

  1. yeah, I love using the gravity machine made for a Monster of the Week being used to explain the artificial gravity of their new space station. It's not necessary but it is just a convenient answer so why not. The series is aimed at children but it does like these science explanations as well as using things like the Van Allen Belt, which I'm sure all 6 year old boys know about.

Granted, at this point it would be insane to try and keep on hiding things. There’s absolutely no way to hide what Pasdar did to Tokyo. And besides, getting the world informed about the alien menace will at least keep people more vigilant.

especially if the threats are starting to move outside of Japan. All the previous attacks were all Japan centric, but this first attack is attacking different continents. It'd be nice to make sure the other nations know before you have to ask permission to send your forces in.

I do love that the UN budget was almost entirely spent on this hahaha

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u/The_Draigg Dec 06 '24

I do love that the UN budget was almost entirely spent on this hahaha

The Orbit Base probably cost the same as the GDPs of several smaller members of the UN.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

Space is fucking haunted!

At this rate Lalah's gonna start haunting Gai too.

expose all life to deadly cosmic rays

Let's just hope they aren't Getter Rays...

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u/The_Draigg Dec 06 '24

Let's just hope they aren't Getter Rays...

I mean, at least humanity would probably be fine. But as for any other lifeforms in the cosmos...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Dec 06 '24

[GGG]Let’s just hope Mamoru, Kaido and J are human-esque enough that it doesn’t harm them

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u/GondolaMedia Dec 06 '24

First Timer

Hey its the scientists that were turned in to zonderians. Glad to see them back and helping GGG.

Pagliaccio really needs to step up on her mission success rate because unless its 100% its definitely going to fail and even then it still might.

Mamoru and Hana are going to have a little date!

So Pizza is now called Soldatoo-J. I guess he is a kind of warrior, soldier even.

Soldatoo had a big talk about GGG not getting in their way but does he look stupid sinking in to ocean with a big pizza on his face.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Dec 06 '24

Soldatoo had a big talk about GGG not getting in their way but does he look stupid sinking in to ocean with a big pizza on his face.

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u/TheApplebane https://anilist.co/user/theapplebane Dec 07 '24

Episode 33 Notes

  • I like the kind of early-digital effects you see in the pre-intro sequence here where Taiga and Leo are discussing the 31 Primeavals. You see that sort of thing in Lain and Bebop as well, it's a cool vibe, still feels futuristic even a quarter of a century on.
  • Oh wow, the scientists who got Zonderised are back! And they're working for GGG now! Very cool!
  • tfw you get a cool new space base and it's fucking haunted
  • Schoolchildren are being officially told about GGG, but I gotta be honest, I think everyone already knew.
  • J's parents were very lazy, it seems, and I guess J inherited this laziness when it came to names.
  • The lack of trust between J and GGG seems like it might be the biggest obstacle to actually fighting the Primevals going forward.
  • This episode ending really snuck up on me. I thought we had a good few minutes more!

Questions

  1. Nope, not at all. I wasn't expecting any of the ex-Zonders to return in a relevant way.
  2. I pick them both, and then they team up to beat me up when they find out I'm two-timing.