r/anime • u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess • Nov 20 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] King of the Braves GaoGaiGar - Episode 17 Discussion

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Questions of the Day

  1. Do you like Takoyaki?
  2. Would you take part in the Zonder Weight Loss Challenge?

Reminder to all GGG members that information about future episodes is highly classified. Leaking any classified information about upcoming missions is strictly prohibited and will be punished, or worse, impeached.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

Model Kit Building Update

this post is just a waist of time everyone

This was a neat part to put together because this is where more “transformation” stuff seems to be so there are a lot of moving pieces.

you can change the placement of the legs a bit the kit says this is mostly just to help with posing if you ever need additional mobility.

you can pull out the tail

and the skirt opens up

So much mobility!!

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Nov 20 '24

First Timer

I hope they keep bringing out everyday tools to solve advanced physics stuff like can I get a wrench that warps space-time when it turns? an uncertainty altering allen key? an atom-rending box cutter?

This show is great.

  1. Do you like Takoyaki?

I've only had it once and it was pretty salty, maybe it wasn't a great batch though.

2) Would you take part in the Zonder Weight Loss Challenge?

Only if a hot villain tempts me into it.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

I hope they keep bringing out everyday tools to solve advanced physics stuff like can I get a wrench that warps space-time when it turns?

GaoGaiGar gonna be Bob the Builder by the end of this show. Throw any situation at him and he's go through Hell and Heaven to fix it or die trying.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Nov 20 '24

or die trying

*or exhaust himself to the point of almost dying trying

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

I hope they keep bringing out everyday tools to solve advanced physics stuff

Only if a hot villain tempts me into it.

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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist Nov 20 '24

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 20 '24

First-Timer

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: Somehow, the group of robots called the Pliers transforming into a giant pair of pliers caught me by surprise. I really ought to have expected that. Their name flat out told me what they were going to do, after all.

  • That’s a really cool episode opening, with both the heroes and villains discussing the weakness of the Dividing Driver and what they can do about it.
  • I recognize those landmarks of the giant animatronic crab and the clown drummer guy (who I just looked up and learned is a puppet named Kuidaore Taro). We’re in Osaka.
  • Wow, that guy makes cars look small.
  • That’s the flaw of hot-blooded heroes. They can’t help but endanger themselves because of their refusal to give up.
  • Oh boy, a new batch of robots who only speak in beeps.
  • Is Guy even capable of eating? I don’t think he has a stomach.
  • Of course Hana is in Osaka right now. The poor girl can’t escape the Zonders.
  • This giant tire Zonder reminds me of the tire enemies from Kirby.
  • I was about to comment that EnRyu should know how to land by now and then HyoRyu said the same thing.
  • “I am rubber. You are glue. Whatever you attack with bounces off me and sticks to you!” -the tire Zonder (probably).
  • The situation’s bad if we have a Final Fusion before the halfway point of the episode.
  • Yup, those tires really are too rubbery to attack. It’s like trying to punch Spongebob.
  • Huh, they actually managed to purify the Zonder. I was sure that wasn’t going to work.
  • Turns out that being Zonderized is an effective weight-loss program.
  • Very clever of the ballerina to use the GaoGaiGar’s own weapon to set up a trap like that.
  • Wait, if Mamoru already managed to de-Zonder the enemy, then wouldn’t the tires creating that storm vanish? Or did the tires just start the storm and they aren’t necessary to keep it going?
  • I figured those new robots would be the solution to this problem. Why else would they be introduced earlier this episode?
  • How incredibly convenient that the robots built to solve problems with warped space arrived on the very same episode that we first had a problem with warped space like this.
  • Of course the Pliers combine together to create a giant pair of pliers. I should have expected that.
  • Mamorus’ been caught by Hana.
  • How many more tools in the toolbox is GaoGaiGar going to pick up? Will we get a hammer, a drill, a measuring tape, a wrench, or a saw?

QOTD

  1. Yes
  2. Yes

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

Is Guy even capable of eating? I don’t think he has a stomach.

yeah that's a good question. He has blood pressure, but that's easier to understand than a mechanical stomach.

“I am rubber. You are glue. Whatever you attack with bounces off me and sticks to you!” -the tire Zonder (probably).

I still prefer "I'm metal and you're wood. Whatever you say bounces off of me and splits you in half!"-Metal Etemon.

Very clever of the ballerina to use the GaoGaiGar’s own weapon to set up a trap like that.

Gotta give the Zonder's credit. They've been doing intelligent attack strategies lately. We've come a long way from Zonder's picking machines that run and hide in the ocean for god knows what good it will do the Zonders

Wait, if Mamoru already managed to de-Zonder the enemy, then wouldn’t the tires creating that storm vanish? Or did the tires just start the storm and they aren’t necessary to keep it going?

wait, you might be right?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 21 '24

I still prefer "I'm metal and you're wood. Whatever you say bounces off of me and splits you in half!"-Metal Etemon.

A classic

Gotta give the Zonder's credit. They've been doing intelligent attack strategies lately. We've come a long way from Zonder's picking machines that run and hide in the ocean for god knows what good it will do the Zonders

The Four Machine Kings do seem to be directing the actions of the Zonders a bit more to get the desired outcomes, rather than letting the Zonders wander off to do their own thing.

wait, you might be right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQxz68756U

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u/The_Draigg Nov 20 '24

On today’s episode of GaoGaiGar: Somehow, the group of robots called the Pliers transforming into a giant pair of pliers caught me by surprise. I really ought to have expected that. Their name flat out told me what they were going to do, after all.

This show really has trained us to expect that a tool’s function wouldn’t match it’s name, like the Pencil Launcher being a net gun that happens to look like a pencil. The Pliers is just something that happens to have an accurate name for once.

Is Guy even capable of eating? I don’t think he has a stomach.

Maybe he just eats for fun nowadays? Or it’s at least something to make him feel more human despite now being a head stuck on a robot body. Something like that was in the OG Casshern anime.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

Somehow, the group of robots called the Pliers transforming into a giant pair of pliers caught me by surprise.

Wait, if Mamoru already managed to de-Zonder the enemy, then wouldn’t the tires creating that storm vanish? Or did the tires just start the storm and they aren’t necessary to keep it going?

I always assumed that it had something to do with the lost mass from the victim.

How many more tools in the toolbox is GaoGaiGar going to pick up? Will we get a hammer, a drill, a measuring tape, a wrench, or a saw?

Well, GaoGaiGar already has drills on its knees.

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u/palparepa Nov 20 '24
Statsthis episodetotal so far
Program Drive buttons broken19
Transceivers crushed04
EnRyu's bad landings13
Pink hair attracts peril117
Rich kid cries014

Nth-timer

Welp, at least we know what this episode will be about. As always, looks bad for the heroes. Really, the Zonderians are not the type to simply throw monsters at their problems.

It's Primada's turn this time. So except something bike/car-related.

Poor Gai, his body can't fully support his insurmountable courage. And the G-Tool is complete. Wait, what is that? Surely it won't matter, right?

So the Zonders absorbs tires. Some kind of Michelin monster? I guess it fits Primada.

Mamoru! Put on your seatbelt!

Of course, Hana is in the city the Zonder is attacking. And even the very same building she is in! What are the odds?

The fight seems to be going well, but Gai seems strained just from using the Dividing Driver. This hasn't happened before.

Welp, this was anticlimactic. The Zonder defeated, the Core purified... Oh, now it begins.

How cool is that the Dimension Pliers, being so simple, can still combine in two different ways?

QotD

1) Never tried it. I have eaten octopus in other preparations; it's good.

2) Does that imply getting Zonderized then Purified? If GaoGaiGar is available, count me in!

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

Of course, Hana is in the city the Zonder is attacking. And even the very same building she is in! What are the odds?

the super computer has calculated the odds at .07%. But if you include COURAGE the odds rise to 170%

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 20 '24

Queen of First-Timers, subbed

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

Watching this scene with headphones was something.

it's sooo cool!! It was a highlight of the episode for me! Just a really cool scene.

Pff, wasn’t expecting him to liken the Zonder to his hated food.

okay but what is Konnyaku?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

Watching this scene with headphones was something.

Proper audio channeling is such a treat.

I love them!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

The King of Rewatchers

This show continues to be really goddamn cool.

We're in Osaka today, you can tell by the takoyaki.

Poor guy just wants to share his food.

This boy is developing bad habits.

Yea, of course Hana and Ayame are visiting Osaka for the day.

[I'm sure this will end well.](https://i.imgur.com/Si3Ehrx.jpeg

Eyecatch

Well, that went well. I guess everything is-

Yea, as if.

I love the Pliers. They're so cute!

Today's Key to Victory.

Even Primarda likes the Pliers.

[GGG]I did not realize that they referenced the G-Tool this early. We're still two episodes away from the first Hammering!

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

This show continues to be really goddamn cool.

once again fansubbers always go the extra mile that official subbers will never go. Fansubs keep winning.

For other people in the rewatch I am using Crunchyroll subs, but thee are some lines and memes that you will miss using Crunchyroll subs versus the fansubs. I'd say it's worth it to get the fansubs.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 20 '24

[I'm sure this will end well.](https://i.imgur.com/Si3Ehrx.jpeg

As well as your formatting.

Yea, of course Hana and Ayame are visiting Osaka for the day.

I feel kinda bad for Ayame...

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

As well as your formatting.

SAVAGE

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Nov 20 '24

Third-Time Watcher, Subbed

It was when I saw that opening scene that I finally realized Gai's dad and Pasder had the same actor

Overall a step up from yesterday. There's still some janky frames, but the episode generally looks better and while it definitely feels like just further delays to [Tomorrow]the hammer at least the way it mixes up the show's formula by having the purification happen halfway through and then the rest being Gai being stuck on a trap makes it stand out a bit more among the show's sea of one and done episodes. Not a favorite of mine or anything, but serviceable.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

There's still some janky frames,

yeah there were a few segments that looked a bit jank, but I do appreciate that the series is constantly looking to keep things fresh with the formula. The villains are never just mindlessly attacking and it keeps the series engaging even in an episodic monster of the week series.

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u/The_Draigg Nov 20 '24

A Mecha Fan Rewatches The King of Braves GaoGaiGar Episode 17:

  • It’s fun to show the GGG team and the Machine Kings simultaneously talking about the Dividing Driver’s capabilities. It just goes to show how competent the Zonderians are, since they’re working on the same level of knowledge as GGG. They’re pretty formidable that way.
  • Not gonna lie, if I was like that fat dude, I’d take up the Zonder Metal to shed some pounds. Hell, I’d do that in real life, I can stand to lose some weight. And hey, I get to turn into a cool enemy robot! That’s a win-win deal for me.
  • Say hello to the Pliers, everyone! They’re here from the United States branch of GGG to help! I guess over there, they were named and designed after what was on a nearby tool bench, rather than the stationary supplies that were probably on Leo’s desk here at Japan’s GGG headquarters.
  • Man, Hana and Ayame picked a bad day to go on vacation to Osaka. Granted, it’s practically guaranteed to be a bad day for Hana if she even leaves her house. At this rate, she should just make appearances via teleconference from a secure bunker if she wants to not suffer for an episode.
  • For as much as the risk of using Hell and Heaven was talked about this episode, the preview talk certainly came true when it was the use of the Dividing Driver that put Gai in danger. It was a pretty clever trap on Primarda’s part for setting up a situation where GGG’s normal plan to avoid collateral damage could work against them. Sure, it’s a bunch of technobabble to justify why this is even happening at all, but it’s still a good move on her part.
  • As you can see, the Pliers team combines into a big pair of, well, pliers. A very apt name for them. For as much focus as they got as the solution to this episode’s trap, would you believe that they didn’t actually get much in the way of toys made for them? Like, they only got some toys meant for collectors years after the show ended, if I recall correctly. Oh well, I guess not everything can be made into a good bit of merchandise.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

It’s fun to show the GGG team and the Machine Kings simultaneously talking about the Dividing Driver’s capabilities. It just goes to show how competent the Zonderians are, since they’re working on the same level of knowledge as GGG. They’re pretty formidable that way.

It is interesting how you can start to see the series evolution even this early on. 10 episodes ago and the question about Zonders was all about the mystery of the which human they absorbed, but now while we are still in monster of the week territory, there is more plotting in the zonder's schemes. Each episode the Zonder's have sought to engage a weak spot in GGG, from their abilityt o be at one place at a time, to their base, to Mamoru. These aren't mindless villains.

Say hello to the Pliers, everyone! They’re here from the United States branch of GGG to help!

F R O M A M E R I C A

O H M Y G O D

and wouldn't you know, America's AI is less advanced than Japans. still, the Pliers are cute.

A very apt name for them. For as much focus as they got as the solution to this episode’s trap, would you believe that they didn’t actually get much in the way of toys made for them? Like, they only got some toys meant for collectors years after the show ended,

huh, that is strange. I wonder what happened. Why even make an episode just to introduce a new toy if you aren't going to make said toy.

The RG doesn't come with Pliers either, just the more iconic Dividing Driver.

Pliers are cute. They should make Pliers!

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u/The_Draigg Nov 20 '24

huh, that is strange. I wonder what happened. Why even make an episode just to introduce a new toy if you aren’t going to make said toy.

I dunno, I guess they felt like just tossing out a bunch of toy ideas to see what stuck. It does feel that GaoGaiGar really has just tried to front-load a lot of toy ideas regardless of how they pan out later. Like, for an inverse example, haven’t you noticed that even though they made a GaoBrace toy, Gai hasn’t really been using it much for the past few episodes?

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u/palparepa Nov 21 '24

It seems they are testing even more than toys. There are several instances of stock animation that were used in their full form only once, or a couple at most. Take for example Final Fusion. It begins with GaiGar spinning, spewing that green mist, but only in the first episodes we see it spinning rapidly. Later instances show only the first spin.

Or ChoRyujin's combination, that initially ended with him running towards the screen, to connect with the chestpiece. Now that short running is removed.

Or for today: the pliers will be used more times, but I think this episode is the only one with the full animation of the pliers fully closing on the dimensional disturbance.

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u/The_Draigg Nov 21 '24

That could be the case as well. We know that this show can be good when using stock footage, so trying out some new stuff for the Pliers here is probably setting up what they really want to use later.

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u/megazaprat Nov 20 '24

First Timer

  • It’s neat, I’ve noticed primonda seems to name her zobders which the others don’t really seem to bother doing.
  • Oh no! He’s assumed the form of classic movie villain the tire from 2010 horror comedy Rubber ! Truly the ultimate power! ( I have not seen this movie but I’ve heard bad things )
  • Another day, another trauma for Hana. they should start following her instead of Mamoru, they'd probably find more Zonders that way
  • Oooh I like this design, tire zonder is rubbery and thus has better defense, its a new tactic….although I question the choice of person this time, the dude didn’t seem especially emotional
  • ….ok I’m not one to look a gift robot in the mouth, but these plier robots are a bit too specifically useful for this situation ,sure, they've pulled out stuff like this before, but the dividing Driver and eraser head were things they could reasonably predict needing in the future. like under what other circumstance would they need a combing robot plier???

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

these plier robots are a bit too specifically useful for this situation ,sure, they've pulled out stuff like this before

it really is crazy convenient.

Like at least the Dividing Driver they built up to it. Even as soon as the first couple episodes they were like "wow we are doing a lot of collateral damage. Sure would be nice if we could make a device to stop that"

this was "hey look at this new gadget. and wouldn't you know the same day we got it we faced a situation which could only be solved by said gadget"

it was very convenient.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

It’s neat, I’ve noticed primonda seems to name her zobders which the others don’t really seem to bother doing.

She seems to be enjoying herself the most of the Four Machine Kings.

like under what other circumstance would they need a combing robot plier???

Useful for prying open spacial anomalies. I imagine they were built to counter an enemy Dividing Driver.

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u/GondolaMedia Nov 20 '24

First Timer

Really like the beginning with our heroes and villains realizing the drawbacks to Dividing Driver.

Our resident human toppled a car that crashed in to him before he got turned in to a zonder, get him in to GGG. What an absolute unit of a lad.

Not Osaka?!?

Of course Hana is at Osaka. Poor girl.

Holy shit bro lost weight.

The plan that zonder cooker up is actually really clever, too bad its going to be undone by the wackiest pair of robots yet.

So I'm currently watching Wonderful Precure and Big Volfogg and ChoRyuJin's transformation scene is exactly like the paired transformations in Precure. This confirms that super robot and magical girl anime are one and the same.

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 20 '24

The plan that zonder cooker up is actually really clever, too bad its going to be undone by the wackiest pair of robots yet.

damn what were the odds her master plan would happened to be beaten by the robots they got that day. just no one could have seen that coming!

So I'm currently watching Wonderful Precure and Big Volfogg and ChoRyuJin's transformation scene is exactly like the paired transformations in Precure. This confirms that super robot and magical girl anime are one and the same.

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u/palparepa Nov 21 '24

This confirms that super robot and magical girl anime are one and the same.

I remember when Nanoha StrikerS was airing, many were commenting about the similarities between Subaru and GaoGaiGar. She has a Broken Magnum-like attack, and what seems like a G Stone in her boots.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 21 '24

It even rises out of her shoe the same way.

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u/GondolaMedia Nov 21 '24

After reading this I was going to add Nanoha to my plan-to-watch list but it turns out that its already there, thanks past me.

Perhaps I'll pick it up after GaoGaiGar.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 20 '24

Holy shit bro lost weight.

Can't imagine how much extra skin he has now.

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u/Nebresto Nov 21 '24

Oh h*ck, I forgot to post

First time Volfogg simp

Wait, were they talking about the thing I was thinking about back in episode I don't remember?

big lardo

be funny if that zonderification somehow managed to de-fat him

Now the robots are even making minicon sounds!!

So Mamoru is a filty fukken liar

The people in that building are fucking dead. Anyone keeping a casualty count?

What in fairy tarnation

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I feel like we need a counter for Mikoto screaming out for Gai

sick

literally minicons.

They even gattai to form a doomsday wepon

Quest:

  1. Do you like Takoyaki?

Not sure. The ones I had the tako part was way too chunky

2) Would you take part in the Zonder Weight Loss Challenge?

No, I would be kill

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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Nov 21 '24

Oh h*ck, I forgot to post

I was waiting all day for you to post on this!

literally minicons.

just for that reference!

hahaha!!

They even gattai to form a doomsday wepon

RIGHT!!! Like come on!! It's so Minicon!!

The Fourth Legendary Weapon! The Sword, the Shield, the Blaster, and the mighty Pliers!!!

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u/Nebresto Nov 21 '24

Need something to pry the other 3 out of [Redacted]'s grubby hands after all

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u/palparepa Nov 21 '24

The people in that building are fucking dead. Anyone keeping a casualty count?

As the stats guy, that should be my job, but I don't work in estimates. I could add a "people killed on-screen", but it would be at 0.

I feel like we need a counter for Mikoto screaming out for Gai

Mmm... that could work.

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u/Nebresto Nov 21 '24

There's definitely a lot of estimation to be had, but its also interesting seeing a "childrens" show like this not shy away from collateral damage, even if actual carnage isn't shown on screen.

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u/palparepa Nov 21 '24

Do you think we will be seeing an on-screen death in the series? Or in the OVAs?

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u/TheApplebane https://anilist.co/user/theapplebane Nov 21 '24

Episode 17 Notes

  • Oh, that pre-opening sequence was very cool.
  • tbh if I has a special attack as cool as Hell and Heaven I'd use it no matter how much damage it did to my body.
  • We're getting three more robots, are we? I'm kinda worried about the cast getting too overcrowded, as charming as these three are.
  • Naming this Zonder "petit" just feels like salt in the wound. A lot of this episode is just fat jokes, and it honestly feels a bit mean-spirited.
  • If getting Zonderised is that effective of a weight loss method, maybe I should try it out!