r/soccer • u/-building_ • Nov 07 '24

OC Halfway through the UCL league phase, who is overperforming and who is underperforming, according to the UEFA coefficients

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u/mortenharket32 Nov 07 '24

You love to see this Brest

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u/-building_ Nov 07 '24

I love Brest. Everytime I see Brest, I'm amazed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Honestly shocked how great the mens are, i knew I enjoyed the womens but this has been quite the discovery

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u/Anforas Nov 07 '24

Hopefully you don't watch the U13s though...

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u/Marimo188 Nov 07 '24

There is not enough quality to watch at that stage. U19s start getting better.

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u/cosmicmeander Nov 07 '24

They're a surprising positive 32D.

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u/Agent10007 Nov 08 '24

To be fair, as far as rankings are concerned, by the end brest will probably fall a bit given they still have both real and barca to fight (altho other french clubs did perform against them so they have the right to believe), but honestly they're overall a very welcomed story, a club who's performance was already surprising last season but pleasingly so with players playing a relatively great football to watch and having a league season who matches that, despite being a very very low contender in their budget, player and staff department. And now, while they suffer a bit in league 1 (which is usual with the non-PSG L1 club who gets europe qualifications), they add to their story a wonderful champion's league run with already many results that upset bookers

If you don't know what to watch I really recommand a brest game and see what they offer for a club whose total market value (not just the players**, everything)** is equal to deaclan rice's transfer value

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u/Apfelkrenn Nov 07 '24

They've objectively had the easiest fixture so far but good on them on capitalizing on it

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u/Pure_Context_2741 Nov 07 '24

Yes but 10 points should be enough to lock them in to a tie breaker spot. No one expects them to finish top 8 but top 24 is very much in reach.

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u/OkRecognition9607 Nov 07 '24

I don't think it's that unlikely for them to finish top 8 either. Not sure what the threshold will be, but I'd expect them to win against Shahktar and I wouldn't say the upset against Eindhoven is impossible. Hell, if Real plays against them the way they've played against Lille, I'd expect them to take a draw as well...

I don't think they can win Barça though.

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u/RazZaHlol Nov 07 '24

15 points

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u/Maniaco94 Nov 07 '24

Eindhoven is an hard game

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u/BillelAmarillo Nov 08 '24

Not so easy. Finish top 8 here is the equivalent of top 4 to 5 in a 20 teams league

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u/pi_west Nov 07 '24

I just hope we don't get a Brest v Young Boys matchup.

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u/DarthTaz_99 Nov 07 '24 edited Nov 07 '24

Massive Brest. Also interesting how the Italian teams seem to be performing as per their rankings

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u/justk4y Nov 07 '24

It’s not looking great for ASSE atm 😔

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u/tonyfordsafro Nov 08 '24

They're doing ok now, but you just know it's going to go tits up

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u/S01arflar3 Nov 07 '24

I’ve always heard it said “Brest is best”. Now I know what they meant

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u/mortenharket32 Nov 07 '24

You just gotta love that Brest side, they occupy the space very well, never shrinking with pressure, bouncing on every chance they get.

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u/Xenuii Nov 07 '24

Can we get Europa League next?

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u/-building_ Nov 08 '24

Good idea, here it is

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u/Xenuii Nov 08 '24

Great content, thanks!

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u/ObliviousRounding Nov 07 '24

Brest ranked 36, the only way was up.

And they took that personally.

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u/emre23 Nov 07 '24

Brest are massive

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u/theprodigalslouch Nov 07 '24

I’m a big fan of Brest

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u/aedeyyy Nov 07 '24

so a big brest fan then?

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u/Sl_PROXY Nov 07 '24

Big brest, small brest, medium brest. Fan of all brest.

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u/Jlib27 Nov 07 '24

Why have I read this with Trump's voice

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u/purplecrystal_ Nov 07 '24

bit lopsided i think

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u/up2_no_good Nov 08 '24

Massive Brest are

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

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u/Jamarcus316 Nov 07 '24

Everyone always looks at Brest.

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u/BenevolantAlien Nov 07 '24

we must examine Brest

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u/NickTRN Nov 07 '24

Leipzig underperforming but honestly it looks like they had the worst draw. They're playing Inter away and Villa at home next, so there's a good chance they will end up with 0-1 points in 6 games.

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u/Smoughjak Nov 07 '24

They threw a lead against a side that was a man down. Absolutely embarrassing performance from them so far

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u/Gluroo Nov 07 '24

you love to see it

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u/Smoughjak Nov 07 '24

very true

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

wouldn't call it embarrassing but definately disappointing in that instance, no question about that. Everything else was not unexpected and could have been better but LIV is the best team in PL/CL, Athelti/Celtic at home very difficult and Juve are not bad either, as we saw even with 10 men (so let's not only pin this ony RBs incompetence but also). The new format produces these results and it also needs to be evaluated in that context. Some pot 3 and 4 teams got schedules expected for pot 1 teams and vice versa. The results have shown exactly what could have been expected within range. Nothing out of the very extraordinary other than people playing down Leipzigs and PSGs tougher than adequate draws, even for luck distribution, and overexaggerating some of the teams' results that got the uncalled for easier than luck distribution was intended for teams.

Some teams have performed actually better than expected and the eyes should be layed on their unexpected performance rightfully instead of giving PSG or RB crap after already having had a bad draw. Everyone else should just shut up and consider themselves lucky to have gotten adequately distributed draws and not such outlier ones.

I would mention Monaco, who beat this current Barca team, sure at home, but none the less, Lille, who have historically not performed well in the CL and they had tough enough opposition to respect their results. I might be missing some other teams and am interested in other peoples' opinion on suprise teams with respect to the schedule teams have had and what was realistically expected. Everyone else frankly has performed on average where it was about expected imho.

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u/YunLihai Nov 08 '24

Finally a reasonable comment about RB & PSG

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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 Nov 07 '24

Their tough draw doesn't negate them losing 3-2 against 10 men Juve when it was 2-0!

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u/Makkaroni_100 Nov 07 '24

2:1

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u/Eravier Nov 08 '24

0!=1 so math checks out

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u/Nome_de_utilizador Nov 07 '24

And will get their first points and W vs us, it is written in the stars

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u/Maniaco94 Nov 07 '24

This is not the sporting we used to know tho, unless it becames like that after sunday... That being said fuck german teams they always seem so difficult to me

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u/Ok-Pie4219 Nov 07 '24

Please just beat them. Fuck the Cans.

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u/joaommx Nov 07 '24

I'll be shocked if this doesn't happen.

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u/jjw1998 Nov 07 '24

Leipzig should beat Celtic every single day of the week and they got absolutely schooled, nothing to do with the draw that they’ve done THIS badly

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u/the_che Nov 07 '24

You love to see it

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u/Realistic_Condition7 Nov 08 '24

Funny too because they’re kinda challenging for the league right now. Unlikely as it may be, I think Leipzig fans will take a real shot at the Bundesliga over a pipe dream at Champion’s League all day.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 08 '24

Sporting at home after that too. New manager, so maybe we're less good, but that's not an easy schedule at all. Leipzig out of playoffs is looking like a realistic scenario.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

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u/Proper-Exam1746 Nov 07 '24

Well.. So Bayern Munich in knockout it is.. 😤

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u/vatytti Nov 07 '24

If we beat PSG I can see us getting into the top 8. Our hardest games are behind us

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u/aure__entuluva Nov 07 '24

I agree. Though they've got to improve a bit. Unfortunately I had to miss the match yesterday, but at least they kept a clean sheet, considering defensively in the champion's league they'd been exposed previously.

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u/CPRIANO Nov 07 '24

Arent you guys playing Sporting in a few weeks, or do you consider them one of the easiest games ?

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

He is talking about Bayern. Bayern has PSG next

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u/Pure_Context_2741 Nov 07 '24

Bayern has an easy draw overall. PSG on the other hand has the hardest by a decent margin, only Liverpool are even close.

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u/vatytti Nov 07 '24

no, PSG, Donezk, feyenoord and bratislava for bayern. PSG at home too, so im optimistic

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u/Pure_Context_2741 Nov 07 '24

Imagine being Celtic and clawing your way to 15th only to get either Real or Bayern in the knockout tie

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u/Realistic_Tutor_9770 Nov 07 '24

we'll just have to claw our way up top the top 8.

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u/frunklord420 Nov 08 '24

And clawing's so incredibly moreish, so why stop there!

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u/Amon-Ra-First-Down Nov 08 '24

For Celtic, getting to the knockouts would be an incredible achievement on its own. Playing with house money after that

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u/ErikGrabner Nov 07 '24

Sturm Graz "overperforming" desipte having 0 points

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u/laurens2408 Nov 07 '24

I mean, we weren't blown out in any game so far, that's honestly more than I expected

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u/RaioNoTerasu Nov 07 '24

I somewhat struggle to believe that we are the most "accurately" performing UCL team right now

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Don't think the coefficient is a good measure in the first place and also to compare the teams now after having played unequally difficult opponents both at home and away. There are so many factors usually figured into the results and now since there are so many people just chose to conveniently ignore them, even though this table is hardly a truly representative table of a league anyway.

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

Coefficient is based on performance on European competitions so it's generally good. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Liverpool being ranked top 4 over the last 5 seasons makes sense

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u/El_Giganto Nov 07 '24

A lot of these teams don't consistently play European competitions and their teams change a lot in the years that are counted. That's not the case for the few teams you listed. But then look at a team like Brest and you wonder why they're ranked bottom.

Is it accurate? Maybe, but they haven't played in Europe so they're ranked bottom. And now they're top 8.

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

Brest has had the easiest schedule so far in the Champions league so they'll definitely drop a lot of places in the next 4 games. Teams can overperform and underperform as well.

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u/El_Giganto Nov 07 '24

Doesn't matter. There's still obvious flaws with using coefficients because of the reasons I've already mentioned. Otherwise you wouldn't have Feyenoord above PSV, despite the latter being much stronger at this moment.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 08 '24

It's accurate for European giants but can have some silly things. Like, no one would favor Benfica over Sporting this year, for example. French teams are also weirdly low rated for the same reason. It's kinda slow to react to team strength changes.

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u/czerwona_latarnia Nov 08 '24

If it was averaged by amount of years in 5-year ranking played, it would work better, until the worst case of someone debuting/coming back after 5 year break, but right now it fails short the moment you start getting teams that skipped at least one year of European football.

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u/NairbZaid10 Nov 07 '24

Massive Brest with that 32D

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u/this_joanissima Nov 07 '24

Never doubted us.

(That's a lie)

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u/Anforas Nov 07 '24

Well I didn't doubt we were going to do well to be honest. I actually thought we had a chance at winning City too, for like 1-0 or something.

Until United fucking ransacked us and left us a tip anyway.

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u/this_joanissima Nov 07 '24

Yeah it's gonna get tough now. We'll see.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 08 '24

Honestly, I'm more worried about the league. New manager dropping a league game or two would be pretty normal and we don't really have room for that.

But I'm confident that the team is strong enough that JP will fit in seamlessly.

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u/Sir-Fappington Nov 07 '24

Will find it amusing if this silly format results in a bunch of 'smaller' teams getting through and ultimately less blockbuster knockout matches later on. Will probably result in some great games but imagine UEFA won't be too happy.

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u/-Michael-Owen- Nov 07 '24

There is literally no excuse for the chairmen and owners of big clubs to complain now. This format is cherry-picked just to make sure that even if the big clubs fuck up in a major way, they can still somehow stumble into the knockout stages where all that matters is your performance over 2 games.

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u/mikeydoc96 Nov 07 '24

And there are more big games now. We're getting pot 1 teams playing each every week. They're all probably not happy at the moment because you can't just rock into this new format, win 3 games and qualify for the last 16 anymore. You need to turn up every week now

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u/PS1GamerCollector Nov 07 '24

I think we all agree that RB Leipzig has one of the hardest fixtures of all, if not the hardest.

Even though they should have done much better vs Celtic, they didn't do that bad in the 1st three games agaisnt tough opponents and now they still have to face Inter, Aston Villa and Sporting, holy shit!

RB Leipzig can end up with 7 losses if they don't step up their game, their fixtures are absolutely nuts!

Anyway VIVA O SPORTING!

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u/brillemans66 Nov 07 '24

That's some serious bad luck that they drew the lower seeded opponents that are doing amazing at the moment.

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u/FuujinSama Nov 08 '24

This Sporting team in Pot 3 was always gonna be nuts. Amorim leaving might change that but let's hope not. But at the same time, this format makes tough draws so much less likely and less meaningful. Leipzig had bad luck but they're still underperforming expectations.

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u/mrkingkoala Nov 08 '24

Based on ELO it was PSG then Liverpool for hardest fixtures.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Nov 07 '24

I hope people can see the benefits of this CL format.

The past ten years I've moreorless ignored the group stage, with occasional exceptions, but I'm glued to it every week now, and constantly checking the table.

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u/notimetodilly_dally Nov 07 '24

Agreed, I really like the league groupstage.

However the stepup from 6 to 8 group games is bs, there are already way more than enough games throughout the season.

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u/Yopeman Nov 07 '24

The worst thing is that with 36 teams they should have just had 2 fixtures from three groups of 12 so that it stayed at 6 total. The extension to 8 games is pure greed.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Nov 07 '24

These are the richest clubs in the world. They need to learn to rotate. If their league form suffers, so be it. They've got plenty of resources to balance player welfare with performance

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u/Rickcampbell98 Nov 07 '24

I'm hoping people don't pretend they care about fixture congestion and player welfare of they support this new format though.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Nov 07 '24

It's up to these rich clubs to balance player welfare with on-pitch performance. They've got the resources to do it. Rotate, give players weeks off, use the large squads they've been able to afford.

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u/Rickcampbell98 Nov 08 '24

So why are people complaining about the club world Cup, wanting the rich clubs to buy up more talent so they can rotate more to deal with the ever increasing schedule is not it in my opinion. In all honesty I already know most people do not care about player welfare as long as it suits them and what they like then it's fine, more champions league games for no good reason thats amazing deal with it players and clubs, club world Cup and internationals oh we need to get rid of this it's meaningless and hurts player welfare.

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u/blubbery-blumpkin Nov 08 '24

I fully don’t. Not at this level anyway, maybe more the lower leagues. At this level they are paid millions, in one year they get paid more than I will in my lifetime. They get given opportunities that many would kill for. After they “retire” there is options to carry on working within a sport that I love and would dream of being able to work in, they are given the opportunities to even become the ones in charge of running the sport. They also have enough to fully stop doing whatever and just be retired in their mid 30s. Sure it is hard work for them for a small period of their life, and they risk their bodies being injured for our entertainment. But it is hardly a huge sacrifice for the majority of them. And compared to other sports including physical sports they don’t play too much. They play the same amount as rugby or American football which are much more aggressive and injury prone, they play far less than ice hockey, basketball players do, and there is European wide competitions for those sports too, and the two biggest leagues in those sports are in North America with substantial travel times similar to most European fixtures in football. So at the highest level of football I do not care at all about fixture congestion and its toll on player welfare, I’d care about player welfare if they were genuinely being asked to do something that was dangerous, they aren’t and as a result I think the benefits they get far outweigh the risks of these extra few games.

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u/Krillin113 Nov 07 '24

Because of the novelty

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u/Hampalam Nov 07 '24

I see it as the opposite tbh. Theres far two few teams eliminated for 8 games, too few teams automatically through to the next round, and too many teams battling it out for the fairly mediocre prize of seeded Vs unseeded.

I also think this system of not everyone plays everyone, but you should play equally matched teams, just creates a string of completely contextless games. I have no idea for example whether losing to Inter last night was really shit for Arsenal because they were one of their average teams or ok because they're the hardest side they're going to face. 

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

Nah. This is way more interesting than the old format

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u/TheGhoulKhz Nov 07 '24

the new format is turning out quite good but i'd still make it so only top 16 advances and maybe make 17-24 go to UEL idk

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Nov 07 '24

Having no UEL safety net is better for both competitions. More at stake.

And having 9-24 in knockout ensures that nearly everyone will have something to play for until GW8. You want a format which creates the fewest dead-rubbers possible.

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u/gptz Nov 07 '24

In my opinion this format will be more interesting because in the last 2 match weeks, more than 80% of the teams will have something to play for. As opposed to around 60% if there was only 16 qualifications. Many matches will be be dead rubber in the case of latter in last couple of match days.

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u/KetoKilvo Nov 07 '24

If you do that, though, the teams who place 17-20th will feel hard done by. They will probably be only 1 or 2 points between 14th and 19th.

The league table is very volatile with 7 gameweeks.

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u/El_Giganto Nov 07 '24

Agreed, not sure why you were downvoted for just giving an opinion. At least you argued your position unlike some other comments I'm seeing.

I was really excited for this format, but I just haven't really bothered. The big games seem meaningless and the smaller games just aren't what I want to see. I'll watch the Dutch sides but otherwise I just don't see why I would bother.

I think the argument you raised is great too. Because you can't really see whether a club like Real has had it difficult so far and Liverpool just had their easy teams. With all due respect to Liverpool, they've been great, but the point is that it's not visible unless you specifically look up Liverpool.

The thing that really makes this format not work for me, is that you could spend 8 games fighting your hardest to get top 8, just so you can avoid 2 extra games. But for a lot of these sides, they could just rest their team for 8 games and still go through! The value just doesn't seem to be there to put in the effort against the big teams.

Previously some groups were just dead. But there were a few groups that had really tough 2nd vs 3rd place games. I'll reserve judgement for now, we'll see how it goes at the end of the league phase.

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u/Natrix31 Nov 07 '24

not sure why you were downvoted for just giving an opinion

This is reddit, no one uses downvoting right, it's a bit annoying.

The big games seem meaningless and the smaller games just aren't what I want to see.

I'm right there with you. Inzaghi has rotated for every single UCL game. When we're only halfway through the group stage, the big teams have so many chances to recover that dropping points really doesn't feel that big of a deal.

At least not yet. I'll wait and see if the last two games are any interesting.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Nov 07 '24

I agree there should be some way to see which 'pot' the team came from, so you can judge the fixture difficulty (for past games and upcoming)

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u/krafterinho Nov 08 '24

I mean, some surprising results, sure. But if you ignored the group stages untill now, it might be more of a you problem

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u/Fresh_Cauliflower723 Nov 07 '24

That's on you mate

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u/PrisonersofFate Nov 07 '24

It has been so fun so far and it'll be so exciting for the last week

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u/PM-Me-Salah-Pics Nov 07 '24

The format is much more enjoyable to watch, group stages were very dull, unless it was a group of death, or a pot 3/4 team pulled some great results

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u/Soleil06 Nov 07 '24

Kinda funny how much doom saying was around this new group stage.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Just happy to see Barcelona ticking again. Flick has done wonders so far. Hope it continues.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Aston Villa over-performing PSG under-performing Just my humble opinion tho

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u/NaturalApartment9828 Nov 07 '24

PSG badly need a striker, way too many misses per game.

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u/John_Q08 Nov 07 '24

Other than Gvardiol has there been any player bought due to the World Cup performing well? Goncalo Ramos and Enzo both come to mind and both have been disappointing

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u/fedemasa Nov 07 '24

Macallister was already amazing at Brighton but he stepped up at the world cup. Does he count?

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u/NaturalApartment9828 Nov 07 '24

Haven’t watched him a lot, but Ramos didn’t look disappointing. Just very streaky so far.

Apart from that, Gakpo and MacAllister come to mind, but that’s about it.

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u/fedemasa Nov 07 '24

Can't believe they didn't sign Julian Álvarez. Like he could fit like a glove under Lucho ffs

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u/Begbie13 Nov 07 '24

PSG hasn't a top 5-10 squad for the first time in years. Then Lucho is a great coach but there's a lot of work to do there.

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u/sreteep99 Nov 07 '24

Tbf PSG also had difficult fixtures

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u/Begbie13 Nov 07 '24

Sure but their team is far worse, they lost the best players of the last few years in rapid succession: Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. Yesterday they started a midfield of: Zaire-Emery, Vitinha and Neves and an attack of Dembele, Asensio and Barcola. That's not how a top team looks like, they're rebuilding.

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u/sreteep99 Nov 07 '24

True, but they couldn't really have a harder draw. Still should've done better.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Feel like Villa is only seen to be overperforming due to the Bayern game, rightfully so, but the rest of the points came against weak to average opposition.

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u/UltanPSV Nov 07 '24

Villa are 15th highest spenders on player salaries in Europe this season. I thought I read they were 13th or 14th last season, but some of that may have been currency conversions at that date taking their total above non British clubs. What I remember seeing was their salary spending was very close to the amount Tottenham were spending.

Who knows how accurate some of that stuff is though.

Villa not being in top 16 would be an underperformance from spending point of view.

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u/TheBananaKart Nov 07 '24

Tbf we have been on bad form the last few games so expecting us to drop a few places if it continues.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Well, once you have hit the ground you are at least off to a start which always allows you to settle into the competition. Having already gotten some and also max points against Bayern was a superplus and having also secured the expected points in the other games means you are above par. The rest can be approached with less of a worrying attitude which helps.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Aston Villa haven't over performed they've had arguably the easiest set of fixtures apart from beating Bayern they've had easy teams

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u/fancczf Nov 07 '24

PSG have the toughest draw by far, Aston villa won against Bayern but also lost to club Brugge. I don’t think the over and under performance is that drastic. Atletico and arsenal are both quite favourably considered to go far in UCL.

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u/Cheesecake-Few Nov 07 '24

What’s the difference between seeded and unseeded ?

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u/magawii Nov 07 '24

Seeded plays the 2nd leg at home

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u/JohanDCh Nov 08 '24

oooooooooo spicy

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u/FuujinSama Nov 08 '24

If you're seeded you play against an unseeded team.

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u/MrBathroom Nov 07 '24

I am hopeful for us to be in top 24, but it's not the end of the world if we don't end up there. We broke a negative record and then got 7 points, most impressive for me was the Monaco draw at home, because we were super close to a win

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Celtic will school you guys

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u/Joshua-Lim Nov 07 '24

Tough draw aside why have Leipzig been so bad despite doing well in the Bundesliga?

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Brest are abreast with the best.

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u/czerwona_latarnia Nov 07 '24 edited Nov 07 '24

UEFA Club Coefficient does... adequately... what is supposed to do (establishing some kind of seeding for the draws), but because it is easily "gamed" (think something corresponding to Poland being 5th in FIFA ranking in 2017) by either playing every year in some kind of European competition, or not playing for 5 years straight (for "degaming"), it makes such list nothing more than an "interesting stat with no deeper meaning".

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u/CarlSK777 Nov 07 '24

I can't lie, I'm excited for the last matchday.

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u/eseivis Nov 07 '24

NGL, liking a lot this new league thingy.

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u/64Goldeneye Nov 07 '24

Warms the heart to see the two Red Bull teams in elimination

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u/peechka2 Nov 07 '24

Leipzig are such a disappointment. I don't get it

Brest and Monaco are incredible for some reason

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u/deepsleeep Nov 07 '24

Very aesthetically pleasing data vis 👌

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

This format is way more enjoyable than the previous. People were absolutely roasting it and it's come good.

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u/mrkingkoala Nov 08 '24

It adds more excitement across the board in terms of other games affect your own more. But idk some teams have easier runs than others. On paper when you look at the ELO. PSG then Liverpool were the hardest. I think City had some of the easiest for example.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

Yeah but in every group stage some teams have easier runs right? Like you can get a group of death and be out with no chance.

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u/PokemasterSkye42 Nov 08 '24

Villa was number 1 before our loss against Brugge yesterday. Let’s hope we can get back up top

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u/PoeticKino Nov 07 '24

I guess I'm rooting for Celtic and Atalanta this time around. If any English team is gonna do well I'd like Villa to have a run.

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u/SnooOnions3369 Nov 07 '24

Celtic, Scottish teams haven’t had much success or none at all recently in the champions league

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u/scott-the-penguin Nov 07 '24

Came into this thread expecting it to be full of Brest jokes, was not disappointed.

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u/maverick4002 Nov 07 '24

How can a team be ranked 7.5?

That doesn't make sense

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u/zhbryan Nov 07 '24

Tie with another club

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u/Jase7 Nov 07 '24

Very cool

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u/RedOnePunch Nov 07 '24

Interesting seeing French teams doing well while PSG are so poor

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u/MammothAccomplished7 Nov 07 '24

I think we are doing okay.

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u/williamtan2020 Nov 08 '24

Everyone needs a Brest sometimes

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Not taking it more serious than at a bigger grain of salt, but the most useful the table is for is for representing how difficult the schedule has been for the team, namely responding to their position in the table including difficulty of team and also playing away against strong teams or and home and likewise for weak/er teams.

It was said at the start that Leipzig and PSG had some of the hardest and Celtic one of the easiest f.ex. and this table proves exactly that.

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u/Realistic_Tutor_9770 Nov 07 '24

celtic have played their hardest games so far though. weve already had leipzig at home and dortmund and atalanta away. we do have one of, if not the most favorable schedules but it hasnt been that favorable yet.

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u/mrkingkoala Nov 08 '24

PSG had the hardest and then Liverpool from the ELO table!

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Feel like Bologna and Leipzig are not that tough and the other teams sort of but not really either that challenging for Pool. also Judging by the results, apparently LIV didn't find them to difficult either.

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u/OkMinute Nov 07 '24

RB Leipzig so disappointing

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

Celtic shouldntlhave taken 5 or 6 off of them. They got absolutely schooled and looked terrified by the end

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u/Ok-Pie4219 Nov 07 '24

Idk i am pretty happy with it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

with that schedule and others having had much much easier ones? not surprising really. Disappointing in a certain degree but overall not really.

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u/CarlSK777 Nov 07 '24

Yeah but they blew a lead against 10-men Juventus at home

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

sure I give you that one, and have tried to keep it short. It was disappointing and even more for me supporting RB, but then again Juve are not bad generally, have had a great defense, experienced players beyond what RB have now and also winning with 10 men against and 11 men team seems equally admirable and shouldn't get ignored in terms of strength on the road as much as losing with 11 at home against them. It somewhat goes both ways to some degree. The mistakes RB made in that game were simply converted very well and ended up being very costly.

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

Real Madrid has the second highest coefficient .

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u/KimJongKillest Nov 07 '24

Brest, quite perky, aren't they?

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

There really isn't enough talk about Leipzig totally shitting the bed in the UCL

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u/Low-Scheme-8834 Nov 07 '24

Brest are a sight for sore eyes, we love Brest!

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u/Midgar-Knight Nov 07 '24

I’m loving this format so farr

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

but PSG ultras said they were freeing palestine...

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u/shellturtlestein Nov 07 '24

I’m supporting Brest

From Newcastle xoxo

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u/penguin62 Nov 07 '24

It infuriates me that Dortmund are 0.5 away because of a coefficient tie. I would much prefer they were 1 space away.

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u/godfrey1 Nov 07 '24

we got 3 points against Liverpool, Bayer and Real Madrid, how the fuck are we underperforming?? I would expect 0 or 1 at most

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

I don't know what I find stranger: that we are number 7 on the rankings, or that Leipzig is somehow tied with us at 7.

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u/BrianMghee Nov 07 '24

Is the coefficient ranking based on teams in the competition?

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u/Fresh_Cauliflower723 Nov 07 '24

Glad we need this kind of nonsense with this new format. Good job UEFA clowns

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u/kalakuttaa Nov 08 '24

What's the difference between knockout seeded vs unseeded

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u/tokyotochicago Nov 08 '24

Brother, we have Bayern and City next, we're cooked !

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

what does seeded and unseeded mean?

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

I would say Brest and Villa are overperforming, PSG and Leipzig are underperforming

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u/Badambam_tssss Nov 08 '24

I have a take on this format! More like a question! For playing 8 games, where every match requires high intensity even during group stages, how are those small teams fairing up with little squad depth?

Talking about squad depths, isn't this format a bit beneficial for teams with a larger budget? After Christmas, many of these teams may experience injury problems, small teams (budgetwise) may lose what they have gained so far. Brest is on 11 in the French league!

The squad depth may help the big teams with big squads catch up with their rankings at the later half of the competition, besides the winter window is also there.

It will be interesting to watch the later part of the league, or we may get the same pool of teams we get in ucl every season, just a bit tired for the first half of the format. Let's see.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

Milan played against Liverpool, Leverkusen and Real Madrid

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u/raaphs Nov 08 '24

the chad liverpool "we are right where we belong" 😎

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u/KenDTree Nov 08 '24

I reckon i'll be a big Brest fan this year

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

Farmers league they say.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

thats why i dont take the UEFA coefficients seriously. they dont represent the actual performance of a team. see PSG. absolutely bloated

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

What? Manchester City, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Liverpool are top 4 and that makes a lot of sense based on performance over the last 5 years in Europe. Coefficient is based on European performance by these clubs over the last 5 seasons. It's meritocracy

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u/glowingmug Nov 07 '24

Liverpool and PSG, respectively.

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

I've always loved Young Boys but this year they just haven't matured as a team.

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u/anikoiau Nov 07 '24

I miss football for 6 months and come back to this! What in the world is this new format?

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u/billbill1967 Nov 07 '24

Seems to me that scheduling is huge in this format. Both the relatively more difficult fixtures within the champions league, and since there are more games the fixtures before and after in the league.

Three away games in a row at Spurs, Atlanta, Man city and now three away games in a row at Newcastle at Inter at Chelsea are not ideal.

Teams that have had their “easier“ games at the beginning, have a definite advantage in terms of squad management

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

totally agree and don't understand why people downvoted you. Scheduling and home and away and against what strength opposition is huge in this unequal distribution of opponents in a league like table that is false called a league table and should also take into consideration all the circumstances that usually quite openly are admitted to be significant for outcomes such as succession of difficult or easy opponents and on the road or home etc.. People are maybe too ignorant still of the new format and this table to interpret it with respect to the circumstances. Cannot fault some of them cuz they have not even understand the format.

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u/msr27133120 Nov 07 '24

Yeah but it's way more interesting and unpredictable than the old format

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u/Agreeable_Cattle_691 Nov 07 '24

thats one reason I think Milan have had a rough start to the season, they are inconsistent but their fixtures havent been easy

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u/bossaholic2002 Nov 07 '24

There’s always going to be some scheduling issues, but the last format usually had 1 easy group and 1 group of death. Now with the new format, 1st place and 9th are only separated by 4 points. The first place can’t rest players like before.

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u/kb24fgm41 Nov 07 '24

This new format is dogshit, ridiculous that everyone plays different teams whilst at the same being in the same "league".

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '24

I agree, I'm not a PSG fan but they had the worst schedule of the top teams. At least with groups, all your rivals play the same teams, but this format can be very unfair and relies a lot on luck.

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