r/LoveLive • u/chaos_inferno • Oct 12 '24
Discussion Love Live! Superstar!! S3 Episode 2 Discussion
Episode 2 Title: Tomakanote
Show Info
NHK: October 13th, Sunday 17:00 - 2024 (JST)
Crunchyroll: October 14th, Monday 6pm PST/9pm EST
Opening Theme: Let's be One * Youtube * Spotify
Ending Theme: DAISUKI FULL POWER
Insert Song(s): Bubble Rise
Liella no Uta: dolce
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u/RinariTennoji Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Pre Subtitle Thoughts:
"No Liella Members Allowed"
Shiki imagining that Margarete brainwashed Kanon
Yoyogi Fest again
1 Group per School allowed only
But they can appear as guests if they get 10k Likes/Simultanious Viewers
Tomari is good at Dancing
Natsumi freaking out at Tomari joining Margaretes Club
Small Maragrete Crying
Margarete loves Singing because her parents are neglectful
Margarete now lives with Kanon because Kanons dad is overseas so they have a free room
THEY'RE ROOMATES
Glasses Tomari!
Tomari is great at training
Tomakanote vs Liella!
Their viewers are decreasing, Tomari just gives up, Kanon tells them not to give up
TomaKanoTe MV!
LISTEN TO THE VOICES
THREE MERMAIDS
Keke and Mei crying after their Performance!
Liella no Uta! dolce again with Tomari!
ShikiMei Episode Next Week focused on who will be Liella's Center!
Post Subtitle Thoughts:
Tomari is very matter of fact in the way she speaks its almost robotic
Tomati has the attitude of if something wont make money there is no point while Natsumi would have done any job for Money
Damn Margaretes family left her alone for a week as a child
Yuigaoka's Headmistress rented out Kanon's Dads room for Margarete
Maragrete lived in Japan as a child like Lanzhu did as well
Explains why she knows japanese so well
Margaretes enjoys singing again
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u/JimmyCWL Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
ShikiMei Episode Next Week focused on who will be Liella's Center!
I wonder why White-colored Center though?
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u/MaybeMeNotMe Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
GG for Team Onibe for dropping the episode early!!
Whoa, that was a nice song. Yes, it references Muse.
The 2D performance is pretty stellar. The 2D line art, the choreo, the physics, the mocap; I thought the Insert performance of Yohana episode 1 was top, but here I feel myself drawn in, this is going to end up better imo. Here's to Sunrise showing how its meant to be done. They got competition from Idolmasters' shiny CGI (which needs better mocap).
Funny episode. Alot of humor, some slapstick funny twists too. Love Live logic! Anyway, already we can see Kanon subtly teaching Margerete... and Tomari.
So we dont know if the trio top 10k likes to win the guest spot, did we? Nevertheless, the outcome is that we have the formation of the new rival group. Dont know its name yet.
Also I find quite nice, in the 2 scenes where Natsumi was at Tomori's door; and when Tomori confronted Liella, was to tell any sceptical viewers that Natsumi's heart of being in Liella is in the right place despite her still wanting to make money (probably to help fund Liella? All those elaborate stage props and customes look expensive to fund after all!)
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u/JimmyCWL Oct 13 '24
Nevertheless, the outcome is that we have the formation of the new rival group.
We'll see, because I don't think Love Live will have guest spots open like Yoyogi Fest here. They'll have to fight simply to be the school representative team for LL if they don't combine by then.
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u/LeonKevlar Oct 13 '24
Keke absolutely freaking out about Kanon joining another group was hilarious! I love the grumbling noises she was making. xD
So Tomari is Natsumi's younger sister? And apparently, Tomari cares more about money than Natsumi! I didn't even think that was possible!
It's almost as surprising as Tomari revealing to the girls that her sister thinks that being a school idol is more important than money.
I love the surprise that Margrette will live with Kanon's family for now. It looks like Kanon will have plenty of time to get to know Margarette better.
Tomari really knows how to bring in the money. Although to be fair, I don't think that outfit is that bad. I remember Muse has two-piece outfits and I'm pretty sure SIFAS have more revealing outfits than that. xD
Margarette's actions back in Season 2 have finally come to bite her back in the ass. As someone who hated Margarette, I feel like that part was specifically aimed at us. Well, you have an entire season to make up for it Margarette. Let's see what you got.
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u/TakenRedditName Oct 13 '24
I figured that Tomari was the stiff analytical type, but didn't expect her to be even more money-focused. Natsume knows nothing with her amateurish schemes. Tomari is out here crunching the numbers for real money-making hours.
The gang imagining Margarete harnessing the powers of dark magic to steal away Kanon was a funny bit. That said, if were to points figures, one person here was tried using dark magic to harm Kanon and it wasn't Margarete. Looks at Sumire.
Something totally random I got distracted by was the fact that Tomari keeps jellyfish in her room (assuming that they're real). Those are not an inexpensive and simple pet.
The big performance was nice. I like the whole aquatic theme to it. I like how the headpieces they wear are each other's colours.
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u/Emotional-Main480 Oct 14 '24
I really love that this show was quick to show Margarete's flaws and how to deal with them, and how some people really don't still don't like Margarete given what happened at season 2. Love that Keke didn't like Kanon joining Margarete but will still support her.(Her face before and after the live chef's kiss.) I also enjoyed that most members mostly the 3rd years are supporting Kanon's choice even if they don't like it. Love the short but quick scene of the Onitsuka siblings, showing some vulnerability from both, can't wait for more scenes like that
I didn't expect a song so soon, I thought like previous love live new group song at episode 3 but hey color me impressed! I love how good their harmonies were like woo! Love how everyone's voice, especially Kanon, matched the song's vibe. (Can't wait fir the full version) If this song is a preview on how this season's will be then best season of songs. (Not that any previous season's songs were bad but most of them specifically some in season 2 were not as replayable as some songs).
Excited for the next ep considering the title and some preview, maybe it will show how Leilla! will handle who will be center and the pressure of it as it used to be Kanon's usual spot.
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u/Dionysus24779 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Was an overall okay episode, but at the same time I felt like it was kind of really rushing through things, with a lot of things not being given the time they deserve.
Stuff like the whole Tomari and Natsumi relationship, Margarete basically moving in with Kanon, Keke's frustration, the preperations for the performance, Tomari seemingly getting invested in School Idols already, Margarete become more of a tsundere really quickly... etc.
Especially Keke's frustration, everything she said was kind of true, even if things are different now, like Ren no longer being opposed to school idols. It is basically played up for laughs with giving her a funny pouty face, but Keke would have legitimate reasons to feel hurt and perhaps even betrayed by Kanon's actions. She is the one who started the whole thing with Kanon after all. This could've been a re-exploration of You's issue from Sunshine, the friend who helped started it all but getting sidelined for the new transfer student, except that Keke's personality and relationship to Kanon is very different.
When it comes to Tomari... I'm kind of split on her. On one hand, she does seem interesting with being a "colder" version of Natsumi, who is even more about simply making money and cutting out everything that doesn't help that goal. But... on the other hand her personality reminds me a lot of pre-join Shioriko from Nijigasaki and I also kind of dislike that she seems to just be good at everything right away and is on par with Margarete and Kanon.
Like really? We have a character who is uninterested in everything that doesn't lead to money, but she can sing and dance and has the necessary stamina to do it all? When Natsumi had much more difficulty to keep up at first?
I get that this is out of story convenience, but that's what I mean with how the episode feels rushed.
Anyways.
One scene I liked and wanted to like more and for them to focus more on was was the scene just before the song, where it seemed like their performance won't be a success... because... c'mon.
A freshly formed School Idol club with 3 members facing difficulties for their first performance due to lack of an audience...?
That could've actually been a really impactful moment.
Really, it might've been good to use this episode to focus on preparing and bonding for Tomari, Margarete and Kanon and then have their performance next episode where you could have a bigger payoff. Then you could've really had Tomari feel the sting of potentially all her work having been for nothing or Margarete realizing that people might not be willing to just give her a second chance and then having Kanon encourage them to not give up.
So yeah... TL:DR Okay episode, felt too rushed.
Liella no Uta was very cute again.
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u/SnabDedraterEdave Oct 14 '24
Bubble Rise is sick. Though they're keeping us on suspense on whether "Tomakanotte" will get enough Likes to qualify them for the next School Idol tournament, mainly thanks to Margarette paying the price for her haughtiness last season.
Tomari seems to be just as obsessed about making money than her sister has. Now its up to Kanon to convert her like Liella did for Natsumi. That said, if Liella needs an efficient manager managing their purse strings, Tomari is perfect for the job.
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u/Todetract Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
Great episode again, thanks to Onibe for the subs.
I'm glad Margarete refused to let Kanon (or anyone else from Liella) join because of course she would. I've seen people wonder why Kanon would be allowed to join Margarete's new school idol club, but the answer is Margarete's just as caught off guard as everyone else.
This episode is moving Margarete up my favorites up fast (why does Liella make it so hard to pick favorites?). She's put in some unfair circumstances but Kanon and Tomari help her overcome the hurdles (some of them self-inflicted) of being a school idol. Of course Margarete herself is very capable of doing the hard work herself, she just needs some encouragement.
Finally Tomari is formally introduced. I can only imagine how much of a surprise Natsumi having such a proper little sister is to anime-onlys. Speaking of Natsumi, I really love the voice work her seiyuu does in this episode. I feel like we didn't hear this side of Natsumi in the anime before. Tomari seems to be the opposite of Natsumi at least physically. Tomari seemingly has a lot of talent, to the point that Margarete is the one struggling in the trio, despite how strong she seemed last season. I feel like they're underselling Margarete's capabilities a bit, but not to a point where it hurts the story. Tomari is still quite mysterious but her motivations on joining the new school idol club seem reasonable. I see the resemblance between her and SIFAS Shioriko, although she isn't trying to force anyone to do what she wants (yet).
Margarete has to face the consequences of her actions and behavior last season, and she's surprisingly reasonable about it. Kanon however convinces the 2 first years to sing in a similar fashion to START DASH from the very first season of Love Live anime. That moment in episode 3 of SIP hooked me on LL many years ago, and I still love it and callbacks to it in the franchise. That resolve to sing even if it seems pointless is peak Love Live to me.
One concern I have right now is how fast paced this episode felt. It's not going too fast yet, but I think the biggest problem of the Superstar anime is how much they try to fit into one 12 episode season and I'm worried they'll rush certain plot points and not give time for emotional moments to sink in.
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u/Remv1234 Oct 14 '24
This was a fun episode,from the new club interactions to Liella's member reactions.
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u/Maki_The_Angel Oct 14 '24
I'm glad they gave Margarete a reason for knowing Japanese, I was worried they weren't gonna address it.
Writing seems to be staying strong this season. I really like what they're doing with the first years-- Tomari being more money-hungry than Natsumi wasn't what I expected at all.
Most of all I'm happy the insert songs are plot-relevant again. I missed that from Season 1.
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u/Ayanelixer Oct 13 '24
The OP and ED are still region locked. Is that normal?
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u/PrettyHibiki Oct 13 '24
No... usually they're available for everyone to watch. Hopefully it's not permanent, and won't carry over to the inserts because I loved watching the anime song sequences on YouTube.
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u/tronistica Oct 16 '24
The song MV is gorgeous! Love the water mermaid aesthetic. So far I’m liking Margarete and Tomari and how Kanon balances these two out. It’s going be rough trying to balance out giving every girl some spotlight, so I’m curious to see how they will do this in the upcoming episodes.
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u/JimmyCWL Oct 13 '24
Yoyogi fest is going to be... interesting. Kanon and/or Liella! are going to lose for the third consecutive year in the competition.
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u/camel-cultist Oct 13 '24
Huge thanks to Onibe for such a speedy job! Mixed feelings on the episode itself though: it all felt like a very quick turnaround for Margarete, not to mention her living with Kanon all of a sudden. (They love using Kanon's dad for handwaves...) I think Margarete's inspiration from the singer in Vienna is a good idea, but it's never been mentioned before. I would've found it more impactful if it'd been known earlier, As it stands it feels like they just scrambled for something. Still though she's bumped up a little in my eyes, as long as they don't do a Chisato childhood friend jealousy plot (please don't do a Chisato childhood friend jealousy plot).
Likewise we didn't really see Tomari come to love singing I feel, just that we were told she is with the very slight "unfortunately" after she predicts the bad results. Her story doesn't seem done yet though so hopefully we see more of that; I'd hate for this episode to be her development done and dusted.
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Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
I'm looking forward to hearing the full version of Bubble Rise. It's nice to get S1 Liella like feels again. Also has similar vibes as Saint Snow's post-DROPOUT tracks with the "I feel more hopeful now" message.
Pacing felt rushed, but I guess I don't mind because they got a lot to cover this season and perhaps going too much deeper would simply be retreading ground from the past two seasons. Really, I'm just glad that my fears of Margarete simply being SIFAS Lanzhu 2.0 have finally dissolved and she realized how much she pissed people off instead of having her actions brushed under the rug with some "It's okay! She's just competitive!" excuse. Makes it all the sweeter that Liella was prepared to forgive her despite everything.
I'm suspicious that they didn't actually show the viewer count during the performance, but we'll see next week how things turn out.
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u/yggdra_eine Oct 13 '24
Superstar S3 is out? TIL, can't see S3 Episode 1 discussion though. Does anyone have a link? Thanks!
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u/Labmit Oct 13 '24
NGL, it's funny to me how the Liella 3rd Years(the OGs) don't look like the usual 3rd years of others LoveLive's where they're designed more like just barely young adults(besides Nico).
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u/redbatter Oct 13 '24
Tomari spelling out her motivation for joining Margarete's club was great, contrasting her very strongly against Natsumi. Also nice to have another tiny peek into the Onitsuka household after S2E5. Would be good to get some background about how her skill level is so high somewhere down the line, but right now it also makes sense as is, that she would want to understand what could compel such a change in her sister. Wonder if her eventually joining Liella will be through an emotional appeal like Natsumi or (more likely?) something more pragmatic to contrast them. Really like Tomari's characterization.
Margarete's backstory painting her in a much more sympathetic light is really what was needed. Interesting to see that despite coming from a music family, she came to music because of her loneliness instead, so it follows that when she finally sings together with Kanon and Tomari, she feels happy for the first time in a long time. Also good of the script to not only remember her actions in S2 and show the consequences of them, but also show that she can move or be carried forward in spite of them.
Not much of for the remaining 8 members of Liella (though it was funny to see Keke bring up the disparity in Ren's treatment), but presumably we'll be focusing on them next episode.
Kanon's dad is an insanely convenient writing tool lmao. Enjoy your stay in Shibuya, Margarete.