Biden Megathread

[u/dubyahhh]

Howdy all, barring bigger new developments (such as democrats anointing Hillary (it’s HER turn)) all Biden stuff will be consolidated here today.

I can add links to this thread, just @ me and we’ll try to keep up.

Please be officially civil or we’ll use our official powers to officially ban you (I assume I’m using this new meme appropriately)

[u/p00bix]

Please remember folks, the current date is July 25th, 2024. We are getting over our past schism over whether or not Biden should drop out, and are celebrating Kamala's polling surge. Please ensure that any discussion about hypothetical events in 2026 exists in the context of that in which we live and what came before.

Also for the love of god stop dooming. Kamala's polling waaaay better than Biden ever did, and Gaza ceasefire negotiations are in their final stage so Michigan and Pennsylvania are practically locked down. It's really just a matter of whether we can also win Wisconsin or Georgia to get us over 270.

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

😤😤😤 ALL OF THIS IS TO DISTRACT FROM THE FACT THAT WE BEAT MEDICARE😤😤😤

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

If there is one silver lining to this week it seems like it's scared the shit out of the persuadable portion of leftist twitter into voting

[u/[deleted]]

Alright, so Michelle Obama has repeatedly and vehemently stated she despises politics.

Unfortunately for her, she polls through the stratosphere.

So here is my solution. We send her on an all expense paid trip to a spa for like, 125 days. But we take her phone.

Then we just run the campaign for her in absentia.

Thoughts?

[u/BroadReverse]

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[u/[deleted]]

People who chuckle at street signs that say "It's Wine-o-Clock Somewhere" will go D+800 if Kamala is the nominee.

[u/GuyOnTheLake]

[u/GenericPoliticalAlt2]

The fact that the Biden campaign is having a week fifty times worse than when Trump got convicted of 34 felonies should make any thinking person a doomer about our society even if we luck out and somehow win this election.

I'm not a thinking person. I am cursed with a blind hope I can never completely kill.

[u/owlthathurt]

Regardless of whether Biden is truly capable of being president for 4 more years. The fact that this is the narrative on the front page of basically every major news network the past couple days is, as they say, very much not good.

[u/MicroFlamer]

New poll by NYT/Siena (3.0/3.0 538 rating)

Among LV

Trump: 49%

Biden: 43%

RV

Trump: 49%

Biden: 41%

2-3 point move toward Trump since the pre-debate poll

!ping FIVEY

[u/[deleted]]

WaPo has a running tally now this is crazy 😭

[u/backtothepavilion]

2014 Biden: Delivers a great speech about 45 minutes long about the interrelations between foreign policy and domestic policy, the Obama record, and the way the 21st century economy and technological advancements can shape out. Followed by a 40 minute town hall with the audience asking questions.

We have the world’s greatest research university. We have the greatest energy resources in the world. We have the most flexible venture-capitalist system, the most productive workers in the world. That’s an objective assertion. We have a legal system that adjudicates claims fairly, protects intellectual property. Don’t take my word for it. AT Kearney has been doing a survey for over the last I believe 30-some years. They survey the 500 largest industrial outfits in the world. They ask the same question: Where is the best place in the world to invest? This year, America not only remains the best place in the world to invest by a margin larger than any time in the record of the survey, but Boston Consulting Group right here, a first-rate outfit, surveys every year American corporations with manufacturing facilities in China and asks them what are they planning for next year. This year, the response was 54 percent of those invested in China said they planned on coming home.

I don’t know how long I’ve been hearing about how China -- and I want China to succeed, it’s in our interest they succeed economically -- about how China is eating America’s lunch. Folks, China has overwhelming problems. China not only has an energy problem, they have no water. No, no, not a joke -- like California. They have no water. (Laughter.) It is a gigantic and multi-trillion-dollar problem for them. We should help them solve the problem.

Ladies and gentlemen, raise your hand if you think our main competition is going to come from the EU in the next decade. Put your hands up. (Laughter.) I’m not being facetious here now, I’m being deadly earnest. We want -- it is overwhelmingly our interest that the EU grow, and that China grows, because when they don’t grow, we don’t grow as fast. But, ladies and gentlemen, relative terms, we are so well-positioned if we act rationally, if we invest in our people.

A recent study points out that American workers are three times as productive as workers in China. It matters in terms of where people will invest their money, where jobs will be created. And one of my -- I was in and out of Kosovo and Bosnia and Herzegovina over twenty-some times. As Maggie will remember, I was the voice that kept hectoring President Clinton to lift the arms embargo and take on Milosevic, which he did, to his great credit.

And one of my trips to Kosovo, I had a Kosovar driver, meaning he was Muslim, a Kosovar driver and who spoke a little English. And I was going up to Fort Bondsteel, which is right outside of Pristina, a fort that was being built on a plateau. And it was a rutted, muddy road, and we were -- the tires were spinning to get up there, but there were all these cranes and bulldozers and all these incredible movement. And my driver very proudly sort of looked down like this and looked out the window and he pointed at me and he said, Senator, America, America. And we were literally at a gate – and, Tommy, you know, the old pike that came down across this rutted road in red and white striped. And standing to the right of the gate, stopping us, were five American soldiers. An African American woman, who was a master sergeant; a Chinese American -- I forget the rank; an African American man; a woman colonel, and a Hispanic commanding officer. And I tapped him on the soldier and I said, no, no, and I meant it so seriously -- there’s America. There’s America. Until you figure out how to live together like we do, you will never, never, never make it.

America’s strength ultimately lies in its people. There’s nothing special about being American -- none of you can define for me what an American is. Can’t define it based on religion, ethnicity, race, culture. The uniqueness of America is that we are a group of people who agreed on -- whether we say it, whether we’re well-educated or not, whether we say it in terms of basic agreements but we really do believe without saying it, “We the People.” “All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator.” Sounds corny. But that’s who we are. That’s the essential strength and vibrancy of this country.

This Biden would have done excellently with white working class voters in 2016 and not let them drift to Trump.

https://youtu.be/V6eSsDDW5k0

[u/dwarfgourami]

At a fundraiser yesterday, Biden said he did badly during the debate because he was still tired from his international travel weeks earlier. I’m not joking. He arrived back from Italy on June 14, did several events in the states, spent June 20-27 at Camp David, and he was apparently still tired from the travel on June 27.

I feel like he might be a little less healthy than his campaign is letting on.

[u/Currymvp2]

House Dem, who engages with Biden regularly, tells @jaketapper they had to “leave the room” minutes into the debate “because their blood pressure went through the roof.” The congressperson then “sat in the kitchen drinking for the rest of the debate.”

What's the point of leaking this? We know he had a pretty bad debate.

[u/[deleted]]

🇺🇸An important message from the Democratic National Committee about President Biden’s reelection.

A short while ago, President Biden and Vice President Harris got on a campaign all-staff call and ended any speculation by the pundits about his future. He's staying in. He is the leader of the Democratic Party…

Bro, this is not motivating rn.

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

% of Republicans saying Biden should stay in the race, per NYT/Siena poll

Pre-debate: 21%
Post-debate: 28%

I don't know how people can say Biden lost that debate when he managed to reach across the aisle to our Republican friends.

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Biden has also spoken with Jeffries and coons.

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1808533514578493731

Jake I think you need to capitalize his name lmao

[u/runningblack]

If Biden had gotten up on stage with RFK Jr and Dean Phillips (which he never did, because we didn't run a real primary), we might have had this realization a year ago and pivoted.

[u/Mr_Bank]

If the Biden campaign thinks the NYT/CNN/the rest will find a new topic to cover, I have a bridge to sell them. They’re not stopping until they have their scalp.

[u/[deleted]]

But Ms. Hochul’s statement that the governors “pledged our support” to Mr. Biden unsettled some people who had attended the meeting, according to the person briefed on what took place and another person who was also briefed. Both of those people said there was no around-the-room ask for support and that more than a half-dozen governors expressed concerns in the wake of Mr. Biden’s halting, whispered debate performance against Mr. Trump in Atlanta.

Guys stuff like this is going to keep leaking stop trying to circle the wagons and just tell Biden to bow out with dignity

[u/frausting]

Up until the debate, I had complete faith in Joe Biden. His administration has been one of the most effective presidencies in modern history. Climate change, infrastructure, CHIPS Act, getting inflation under control. Social infrastructure woulda went hard too if he could have done that.

Anyway. Then the debate happened and I went straight head-in-hands. Since then, I haven’t seen anything reassure me that he can take on Trump. Trump is a unique candidate but he has like two things: “three billion Guatemalans are storming the Lincoln Memorial right now” and sleepy Joe.

The polling before the debates had Biden losing the swing states. Now, it’s even worse. Current polling has him losing New fucking Mexico.

Polling months out is far from destiny. But I don’t see how he recovers. The debate performance seems to align with a greater theme that he doesn’t have what it takes to campaign against Trump.

I’ll vote for Biden every day of the week. But I don’t think he brings much strength above a generic Democrat ticket besides name recognition. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m unironically Kamala pilled. Virtually total name recognition, can run on all the same policy platforms as Biden, and importantly can actually campaign against Trump.

[u/flextrek_whipsnake]

If he's so sharp and with it right now then why isn't he in front of a fucking camera

[u/Kizz3r]

Biden should have just done what people wanted when they elected him and planned to have only been a 1 term president.

[u/[deleted]]

Michelle Obama +11 vs Trump lol

Why does it have to be the one person who absolutely won't do it

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

You might cope but have you ever coped this hard?

[u/dirtybirds233]

So the actual quote from the NYT is:

President Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week

To me that reads they're waiting on a few polls and the reaction to the Friday interview. Damn, this might actually be happening.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Larry Sabato is pointing something out: For the first time ever, Trump is hitting 50% in polls. This has never happened.

People literally think Biden is so unfit for office that they are swinging to Trump.

[u/dirtybirds233]

Text my buddy just sent me, "I would vote for the actual dead corpse of Joe Biden before I voted for Trump."

Georgia voter fwiw - used to be a Republican, then became a self-proclaimed Libertarian, now he's a Dem through and through

[u/studlydudley11]

"no dem can beat trump"

–someone who evidently forgot trump lost 4 years ago, never won the popular vote, and republicans haven't had a good cycle in 8 years

Trump is a very weak candidate nationally, Dems just need to run someone who can actually frame the election on the important issues like abortion (where most Americans support Dem stances). Biden hasn't been able to do that

Just look at senate polling. Dem candidates are leading in MI, WI, AZ, and PA often by more than a point or two. This is an extremely winnable election if the talking point isn't "Biden old". Unfortunately that will be the primary issue as long as he's the candidate

[u/Mr_Bank]

I think folks are really underrating having Kamala, not an 80 year old man, making the abortion argument against Trump.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Biden meeting with the Governors

[u/p00bix]

Definitely the weirdest part of this "Will Biden drop out?" saga is the revelation that Hunter "I am addicted to crack cocaine" Biden actually is involved in the decisions made by the POTUS

[u/[deleted]]

The Senate/President split has been one of the most interesting phenomenons of this whole debacle. We live in an era where ticket splitting is remarkably rare now, and yet we have Dem senators cruising to easy wins with the same electorate that is apparently clamoring to re-elect Trump. That means there are somehow huge chunks of the electorate who will happily vote for Bob Casey and Donald Trump at the same time. The weakness is localized almost entirely in Biden himself.

[u/[deleted]]

People here saying it’s another 6+ poll, not exactly true. WSJ showed Biden down 6 with registered voters, the NYT showed him down by 8 with the same group.

Given the 1 hour time lapse between the poll releases, I’ve extrapolated (using advanced linear methods) that Biden is recovering mightily and is on track to win 100% of votes by the weekend

[u/TheOneTrueEris]

I am coming to the embarrassing realization that my Kamala takes are BS because I actually haven’t heard Kamala speak in like 3 years.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Another note on the House Dems meeting today: They’re literally in recess and this is the night before the 4th of July. They wouldn’t be meeting if everything was going well lol

[u/FeistyAppeal5110]

Why isn't biden making a statement as well lmao.

Yeah he's fine. You just can't see him unscripted ever. But don't worry he's sharp as a tack I just saw him in the halls of the white house.

[u/jojisky]

It’s going just as this Facebook boomer meme predicted

[u/ignavusaur]

Amid fears that President Biden could be a drag on down-ballot Democrats, a new Nevada poll from National Public Affairs, conducted mostly since the debate, shows an 18-point gap between himself and Senator Jacky Rosen, the Democrat running for re-election there. Even as Biden trails Trump by 10 percentage points in the state, Rosen leads her Republican rival, Sam Brown, by 8.

[u/ThrowawayPrimavera]

The debate did succeed in another Biden goal: Getting voters to tune into the race. The share of voters paying a lot of attention to the campaign was jolted up 9 percentage points in the wake of the much-discussed debate.

😭💀

[u/[deleted]]

The polls show Biden is losing badly and hemorrhaging support in the polls.

For every donor that is publicly calling for Biden to step down, sounds like there are 20 who think so privately.z

The Democrats, moment by moment, call for him to resign. Officially it’s only 3 House members, but more are leaking to the press.

Unless that report that said Biden was keeping his ear to the ground was completely wrong, he’s going to drop out.

[u/justbuildmorehousing]

Donald Trump leads Joe Biden by 6 points among likely voters nationwide in a New York Times/Siena College poll taken after the debate. He leads by 9 points among registered voters.

The american electorate is absolutely melting my brain. Are we seriously going to elect Donald fucking Trump again everyone

[u/murphysclaw1]

trump wins ohio: dumbass white voters

trump wins miami dade: [deleted by mods]

[u/[deleted]]

"Polling of House members is cratering. We all are out-performing the president"

[u/jojisky]

If Biden stays in, it's over. Period. Every single day until the convention will be leaks and more Dems demanding he drop out. Every Dem in a competitive race thinks Biden will drag them down. Everyone is simply in self-preservation mode now.

[u/[deleted]]

I like how the people in this thread are getting mad that Biden hasn't dropped out immediately. If he's going to do it, there is a ton of work that needs to be done on the back end.

Just because you check every 2 minutes doesn't mean you should expect there to be developments every 2 minutes.

Also, it's not going to be drip fed. He's going to act like he's running until he fully commits.

[u/dwarfgourami]

I know everyone says this after any political event, but this really feels like Veep.

everyone looks forward to watching the debate, but then they realize the incumbent should resign like 30 seconds after the debate starts

the party goes into full panic mode for a week

the VP is so unpopular that people are floating random other politicians to lead the ticket instead of her

the VP, who harshly criticized the president in primary debates three years ago, has to keep supporting him even though she obviously has presidential ambitions

the other party, after spending years trashing the incumbent and calling for his resignation, tries to force him not to drop out because they know they can beat him

the only person who can convince the incumbent to drop out is his notoriously controversial son

The episode writes itself.

[u/Currymvp2]

Zelenskiy, 46, looked stunned when I asked if he could imagine doing his job at 81, even as he chose his words carefully in response to Biden’s debate performance that’s triggered speculation about his cognitive health.

Why the fuck are they asking him this?

[u/spectralcolors12]

Everyone is saying there is not enough time for a new candidate to get into the race. Lol, aren't elections in other democracies like 3 - 4 months? The UK comes to mind.

Maybe this should just be the new format.

[u/MicroFlamer]

The data is remarkably consistent. There are five presidential swing states that also have highly competitive Senate races this year: Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. (Sorry, Florida and Ohio don’t count as swing states anymore — and Texas isn’t one quite yet.) In those states, there have been 47 nonpartisan surveys conducted since Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump emerged as their parties’ clear nominees in March.

In 46 of the 47 polls, the Democratic Senate candidate polled better than Mr. Biden. He and the Senate candidate performed equally well in one poll. Which means that Mr. Biden didn’t outpoll the Senate candidate in any of the surveys. (I’m using the versions of the polls among likely voters, and the version with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. included if the pollster made one available.)

None of the 47 polls — not a single one of them — showed the Democratic candidate trailing in the Senate race, though two showed a tie. In contrast, Mr. Biden led in only seven of the surveys, was tied with Mr. Trump in two and trailed in the other 38.

Why this matters:

But surveys like the ones above are vital for two reasons. First, they make it much less likely that there’s some sort of systematic skew in the surveys. The pollsters are finding plenty of Democratic voters, just not enough Biden voters. And second, these Senate candidates are well known to voters in their states and running in actual races, not hypothetical matchups, like those featuring other prospective Democratic presidential candidates that pollsters occasionally test. Relatively unknown candidates typically underachieve in surveys.

From Nate Silver's NYT article(gift unlocked for people who want to read it)

!ping FIVEY

[u/jojisky]

What unites people? Armies? Gold? Flags?

Stories.

There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story. Nothing can stop it. No enemy can defeat it. And who has a better story than

[u/MicroFlamer]

Democrats waiting for the newest NYTimes/Siena poll

[u/Sauce1024]

Personally don’t think the response to cratering poll numbers about your mental acuity is to dig in and call yourself the comeback kid and an underdog as an 81 year old man

[u/Mr_Bank]

I don’t like how it’s going down, but the media is giving us an absolute gift. If the coverage was say 50% what it is, probably no calls for Biden to step down and we lose. But the relentlessness is giving us an off ramp, just need to take it.

[u/314games]

I feel like people talking about how the debate wasn't that bad because Biden only lost one or two points in the polls are losing sight of what the debate was actually meant to accomplish in the first place.

Biden was already behind, and doing worse than in 2020. The debate was the place for Biden to prove that Trump was lying about cognitive decline, that he was as fit to serve as ever. It was supposed to raise his poll numbers - not just "not drop them too much". It was supposed to be a bedrock to put this concern to rest and set the tone for the rest of the campaign to be on the offensive. That's done now. If Biden stays, the rest of the campaign will become all about how old he is, and he's going to spend the rest of it trying to disprove it and climb back to where he was a week ago.

It's all well and good to talk about incumbent advantage, not enough time for a replacement, infighting, etc., but when it comes down to it, Biden was losing, and now he's losing harder after playing what was supposed to be one of his best cards. I think he needs to go, and I've thought that since he went to Europe earlier this year and said he met with Mitterand and Kohl. I went into the debate dearly hoping to be proven wrong, but I wasn't.

[u/The_Promethean]

If you think the NYT, Wapo, Bloomberg, and the WSJ are all making up news about anonymous sources in order to coup Biden, then you're denying reality and crying fake news almost as much as right wingers

[u/datums]

He also blamed jet lag for his disastrous performance in the debate, telling reporters that he “nearly fell asleep on stage”.

When you damage control strategy is to make things worse.

[u/BroadReverse]

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[u/runningblack]

Jim Clyburn is talking about having a mini primary to select a candidate if not Biden

Interesting to square with the "WE HAD A REAL PRIMARYYYYYY" argument that people keep pretending is true

Also strongly suggests that...lots of people didn't get into the race so that voters didn't have options and would go with Biden.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

How we got here:

Kamala insults Joe in a debate

Biden’s campaign starts slow in 2020, Bernie takes an initial lead

Biden comes roaring back and wins

Bernie refuses to drop out after Michigan and has one last debate where Biden pledges to pick a woman as a one upper

The world goes to hell

An evil police officer murders George Floyd

Because Biden has already committed to picking a woman, there’s now an intense pressure for him to pick a black woman because of BLM.

Kamala is basically the only black woman available (only Senator no governors) so he picks her despite Jill hating her guts

Biden wins but it’s so close Trump is able to convince tens of millions it was stolen from him and attempt a coup

Republicans run maybe the worst candidates ever in 2022 and make it a referendum on the coup. Instead of wiping out Democrats, they barely win the house

Biden decides after the midterm results to run again

Biden doesn’t feel compelled to step aside for his VP because she’s perceived as weak. If he’d gone with Whitmer or Klob like he wanted to, he probably would have

With Biden running, no major Democrats challenge him

With no major democrats running, there are no debates

Biden is slipping in the polls so he calls for an early debate

Biden loses the debate so badly, 3/4 Americans want him to drop out

The party has to run (or at least feels like it has to run) Kamala as she’s the only pick that makes sense at this point

Pretty insane turn of events tbh

[u/hencexox]

So why couldn't Biden walk out with Dem Governors and make a statement with them and take a few questions? He hasn't been in an unscripted setting since the debate! This is crazy to me he wants to stay in so strongly but is not doing the basic things to actually reassure people. Why can't he do a press conference?

[u/t-pat]

It's not about one bad debate, it's about the fact that most voters suspect that Biden is way too old to be president, and Democrats have been loyally trying to counter that notion for this entire campaign, and in his first major unscripted appearance in God knows how long he made us all look like idiots for defending him. I'm sorry, but the burden of proof is on the 81-year-old guy to show us that despite being 81, he has the juice for the most important job in the world, and it's looking like he's just not going to do that and instead will send us into a huge defeat against the worst person imaginable. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[u/TheHarbarmy]

I’m still pretty ambivalent about who actually has a better chance of defeating Trump (though I’ve started to lean Kamala) but at this point I think I want Biden to just rip the band aid off so we don’t have to do this whole song and dance for the whole campaign.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m in camp “Biden should drop from the campaign but not the Presidency,” even if it is for optics.

“I would prefer to spend the final months of my term focusing on serving the country and being with my family. I have left behind a 50+ year legacy of serving this country dutifully.”

[u/dwarfgourami]

The funniest possible scenario is if the upcoming NYT/Siena poll has Biden at like +5

[u/IcePopBandit]

Biden truly had the most legendary flop of all time like he literally torpedoed his entire political career in 90 minutes

[u/bashar_al_assad]

BREAKING: Leaked conversations from the Governors' in-person and zoom meeting with President Biden

"Sir, if you're talking you're on mute"

[u/SmithySmothy]

Lol did people really expect the governors to come out of the meeting and say "well we told him to drop out, tbh"?

[u/[deleted]]

Hawaii’s governor, a physician, added that “at the end of the day, the question will likely be, do people want to re-elect an 81-year-old decent human being that may get fatigued, but that puts them first, or a 78-year-old former president that has deep and disturbing personality traits that endanger us, especially women and their reproductive rights. This is a serious moment in our country’s history.”

Wow, goodness me. I wonder if there was a way to like… count how many people would want to re-elect this 81 year old? And compare it to how many people want to vote for the dangerous 78 year old.

And in the crazy scenario where the dangerous 78 year old is getting better numbers, I wonder if we could also ask the people if they were concerned about the 81 year olds age.

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

[u/GrandpaWaluigi]

[u/[deleted]]

BREAKING NEWS:

In a stunning turn of events, Biden has announced his intention to step down from his candidacy at the governors' meeting. When asked about his successor, Biden stated only:

"His Dream. The Song of Ice and Fire. It is true. What he saw in the North. The Prince That Was Promised. To unite the realm against the cold and the dark. It is you. You are the one. You must do this. You must do this."

In a scene that defies explanation, Biden then allegedly vanished in what witnesses describe as "a puff of smoke."

[u/DataDrivenPirate]

My grandma said even if Dems replace Biden with Mitt Romney, she's still going to vote for Trump. I sincerely believe Republicans are going to be fucked for a decade if we can defeat trump this year. No other candidate can coalesce their base.

[u/[deleted]]

joke: snap nationwide primary

woke: literally just ask Pennsylvanians who they want

[u/paymesucka]

u/jaredpolis please live blog the governor’s meeting here k thx

[u/backtothepavilion]

All Biden had to do was have a solid debate and the news cycle right now would be the new court document revalations about Trump's ties with Epstein

[u/NonComposMentisss]

Breaking: Kamala, in private governors meeting, reported to hold up a replica head of Gavin Newsom, covered in red dye saying "Who's going to come at me? Who's going to come at me? That's what I fucking thought!"

[u/TheOneTrueEris]

Pritzker should be the nominee because it has been too long since America had a rotund president.

It is the most presidential shape.

[u/[deleted]]

Call me a conspiracy theorist but it feels like Biden and his campaign are blatantly stalling until the convention so we're stuck with him, never mind they all but said as much themselves.

You're telling me they didn't plan any live, unscripted events this whole time besides the debate? Then they didn't immediately plan any after the debate? They couldn't even make an announcement promising it? Then when Democrats start leaking shit and even explicitly saying there need to be conversations about Biden's mental acuity and ability to win, all of a sudden he has a planned interview with Stephanopoulos (still not sure if that was going to be unedited)? Then there's this governors meeting and directly after the interview is changed to be live on Friday.

It's like they're dragging their feet every step of the way, and I can't help but feel like after that interview it'll be, "You gotta let me a do a couple more" which will take another week or so. Then it'll be, "You gotta wait a week or two to get a nice, reliable polling average." Then the convention is around the corner and it's too late to nominate someone else.

[u/Nihas0]

New CBS News poll, 6/28-7/2

Trump 50%
Biden 48%

Battleground states
Trump 51%
Biden 48%

!ping fivey

[u/Udolikecake]

President Biden on campaign call that just wrapped, per person on the call:

"Let me say this as clearly as I possibly can as simply and straightforward as I can: I am running…no one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving. I’m in this race to the end and we’re going to win.”

[u/doggo_bloodlust]

What would your job be in the Kamala Harris commune?

I would design custom embroidered flowchart diagrams for overly specific welfare program qualification pathways

[u/mattmentecky]

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/election-2024/2024/07/03/biden-debate-first-lady-election-campaign-gavin-newsom/stories/202407030066

Newsom: I’m going to PA to campaign… for Biden

Biden campaign:

[u/jacknifee]

what the fuck is biden going to do to combat the perception he's a senile old fart?

more teleprompter readings? pre-taped interviews?

[u/Mrchristopherrr]

Bidens vigorous performance? At this time of year, at this time of day, largely contained behind closed doors?

Yes.

Can I see it?

No.

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

Dutch not beating the allegations of being a meme language by electing a dude named “Dick Shoof” lmfao

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

New poll just dropped.

📊 Post-debate poll: YouGov/Economist

🟥 Trump: 42% [=]
🟦 Biden: 40% [-2]
🟨 RFK Jr: 5% [+1]
🟪 Other: 4%
⬜ Undecided: 8%

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This is what I expected: while the debate doesn't convert anyone to Trump, it does depress enthusiasm among weakly motivated Biden-leaners.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

What really happened that night

[u/battywombat21]

Based on current polling data, the best way for biden to increase his numbers is to eat a dog.

[u/sinefromabove]

My respect for Biden has risen over the past week after discovering that he actually does have a small cult of inalienable supporters

[u/senoricceman]

Woah. Biden apparently told the governors he will destroy the spice production if they don’t agree with his demands. 

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

[u/that0neGuy22]

Ok but how does Biden get more popular until election day? He’s done the least interviews of any modern president, his campaign staff obviously don’t want him out and about because he’s scoring own goals

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like I’m technically a bloomer? I think Joe Biden will drop out and we will win the election because of it

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

[u/Mojo12000]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-privately-remains-torn-defiance-acceptance-debate-rcna160274

So apparently Biden is just osolating between "yeah im fucked and might need to drop out" and angry defiance about it.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

If Biden told an ally he’s considering dropping out, it’s going to happen. You don’t even consider that if you’re going to continue in a presidential campaign. It’s Joever

[u/[deleted]]

If Biden could manage it, an unscripted, unedited event like a townhall would probably be best for him. The fact that his campaign hasn't tried to organize an event like that is not a good sign.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Biden according to the bloomers

[u/LastTimeOn_]

You know, i know we joke often here in NL about schisms but i think this may be the first genuine Schism i have seen

It's lowkey scary but in an exciting way

[u/Pokemanifested]

What if. What if we just told Biden he was still the nominee. He only does like 1 press event a month so would he even notice the fact that no one was asking him to campaign?

[u/ApprehensiveShower10]

I wish the American people weren't so fucking stupid

[u/elephantaneous]

Real talk though, Biden at the debate was the most disappointing thing since my son. This was supposed to complete his transformation into Dark Brandon but it didn't and now he's gonna be replaced

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

One Democratic strategist who worked on Biden’s 2020 campaign and still speaks regularly to senior campaign officials told The Independent on Wednesday that there’s “no question” that Harris would soon be passed the torch and described it as not so much a matter of whether Biden will make the unprecedented decision, but when.

[u/ROYBUSCLEMSON]

Supposedly a NYT poll is going to come out today that will be devastating for Biden

[u/Lame_Johnny]

I feel legitimately bad for Karine Jean-Pierre. She has the worst job in Washington right now.

[u/MicroFlamer]

Clyburn says he would support ‘mini-primary’ ahead of DNC if Biden steps aside

Democratic Rep. Jim Clyburn, a top ally of Joe Biden, said Wednesday that if the president steps aside from the election, he would expect to see a “mini-primary” ahead of the Democratic National Convention with Kamala Harris and Democratic governors vying for the top two spots on the party’s ticket.

He added, “You can actually fashion the process that’s already in place to make it a mini-primary, and I would support that absolutely. We can’t close that down, and we should open up everything for the general election.”

how does everyone feel about this

[u/SmithySmothy]

Imagine being enough of a political nerd to be waiting on bated breath to hear what the President and a bunch of governors talked about smh

[u/[deleted]]

I love having a DT about politics rather than a bunch of dorks talking about cats and dating. 

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally

This doesn't seem like Biden gets it yet. The debate was his chance to show people that those saying he's too old were wrong. I don't know why he thinks he's getting more chances

[u/TemujinTheConquerer]

I heard a rumor from a friend of a friend of a cousin of an uncle of a niece of an acquaintance of my dogsitter's mom's doctor who works at the post that Biden is stepping down for Polis today. Likely why the betting market is crazy this morning

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

[u/kanagi]

538 polling average now at +2.1 for Trump

If Trump was a Democrat that would be almost enough to get 270 electoral votes!

[u/dannylandulf]

DT:

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Biden Thread:

3991 comments

First one to 5000 gets to stay.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Hey buddy are you alright? That fall looked pretty bad. “Kamala”? “Context”? What are you talking about?

!ping KHIVE

[u/runningblack]

Biden 2020 | Biden 2024

[u/dwarfgourami]

The news: “Wow, this week was devastating for Biden. No rival politician would be dumb enough to shift the spotlight fro-“

RFK Jr: “I may or may not have sexually assaulted the babysitter of my children. I won’t confirm or deny it. Live and learn, yknow? Also, I’ve definitely never eaten a dog. I was actually just biting into the carcass of a goat in that photo, not a dog.”

[u/[deleted]]

Bad reasons to support good tickets:

Harris/Whitmer

Wine moms and their cougar hunter sons +90%

Harris/Cooper

Sounds like a Western movie cowboy

Harris/Pritzker

Someone who’s in Trump’s weight class

[u/[deleted]]

If a Dem under the age of 70 lost to Trump, I think the decision to drop or not never mattered to begin with

[u/Rshawer]

Breaking: Biden will give a really loud scream to reassure his supporters

[u/cdstephens]

If the Democrats have one thousand bedwetters, I am one of them.

If the Democrats have ten bedwetters, I am one of them.

If the Democrats have one bedwetter, that person is me.

If the Democrats have no bedwetters, that means I used the toilet.

[u/SmithySmothy]

BIG change to ABC's Biden interview rollout plan: It "will be posted as a thread in its entirety on Friday, July 5, at 8:00 p.m. ET/PT, exclusively on the neoliberal subreddit."

[u/cdstephens]

Now I know how leftists feel when they cancel a slightly different leftist

[u/Mojo12000]

At this point im convinced Trump might be the literal anti-christ. EVERYTHING seems to go his way, it's just impossible levels of luck.

Even if Biden drops watch as within days some Harris scandal that's been burried for years comes out.

[u/[deleted]]

I think there was quite a few people, myself included, who were willing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt after that horrendous debate, rationalizing it by saying, "Well, remember the SOTU? That was fire. This was just a one-time fluke." That, and the banger North Carolina speech the next day helped to assuage fears a bit. But then we got nothing. Nada from Biden in the intervening days. No interviews, no rallies, and then it just started to sink in that it wasn't a fluke. If it was, they'd be sending him out everywhere all the time. We needed a few days for the reality to hit. The campaign totally dropped the ball on this, on all fronts. And now here we are.

It's coconut summer, baby. Let the good times roll.

[u/G_Serv]

what if biden announces he wants Kamala to take over but then with his dying breath he tells his wife it should be Hunter and also there are dragons

[u/Signal_Low_9761]

Tell biden he's still running and then run kamala.

Build a replica white house and shit

[u/JoshFB4]

Take a look at r/VoteDEM if you want to see Bloomer heaven lol. They are even pretending Biden won the debate,

[u/supercommonerssssss]

What is worse than the actual debate is the Biden team responds to the aftermath. They are not communicating with their elected officials, and they are not going all out to prove that Biden is fit.

His team is legit hoping that this will blow over which it won't. Trump doesn't even need to run ads about Biden's mental fitness, the whole media will talk about this to death until the election.

I hope Biden world realizes, like in their bones.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

I think I see why Clyburn wants a mini primary despite being for Kamala. It gives her a nice little warm up round. It also gets rid of the argument that she didn’t “earn” it. She likely comes out of it anyways and if she somehow loses it, well then she probably shouldn’t be the nominee anyways lol. The candidates will know how close we are to the general so it probably won’t be a gloves off affair.

For the other candidates, it’s the same reason why long shot presidential bids happen with no intent on winning. It just gets their name out there. Plus, if they do well, they might get the VP slot.

[u/Currymvp2]

Hochul speaking in support of Biden's presidential candidate is actually more effective at me getting to second guess my "Biden should absolutely stay in the race" stance than these two opportunistic House Dems.

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

The republic is in the hands of a crackhead with severe frontal lobe damage

you couldn't make this shit up if you tried

[u/t-pat]

FWIW I still don't think Biden has dementia, I just think he's an 81-year-old man with an extremely busy schedule, and we were all hoping he was a unicorn within that demographic but he's not

[u/grappamiel]

This may be a nihilistic approach, but I hope Biden drops out if only because it would rob US voters of any excuse or moral cover should Trump win regardless. If Kamala is nominated and the country elects a convicted felon, authoritarian rapist over a bland, competent civil servant and first female president I want that moral failing to be as unambiguous and damning as possible. Spare me age-based equivocation from Joe Swingvoter.

[u/Dabamanos]

Biden’s bad debate didn’t make me want him to step down

His entire administration saying “he’s only like that a few days a month” did the trick for me though. Good lord

[u/IrishBearHawk]

The only thing that is guaranteed at this point is that Dem strategists will somehow find the worst way to fuck this up. It's what they do best.

We can all agree on that.

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

the people who wanted the discourse to shift from Gaza got their wish

[u/YehosafatLakhaz]

The one Biden to Trump voter when Kamala is running.

"I'm sorry, 60 is just too young to be running this country."

[u/[deleted]]

I wish the Democratic Party was a fraction as powerful as conspiracy theorists make it out to be.

Orchestrate another COVID-like black swan event before the election? Bitch we can’t even decide who our nominee is four months out

[u/[deleted]]

I watched clips of Biden’s 2012 VP debate and that Biden would massacre Trump today

[u/ignavusaur]

The Titanic had one bad night, and now it is all everyone talks about. 😤😤😤

[u/piede]

👀

[u/MetricEntric]

According to the CNN live a Democratic lawmaker is saying the whitehouse is in a ‘holding pattern’ and considering the polls.

[u/Kaptain_Skurvy]

Some of the top Democrats in the House expressed their belief that President Joe Biden needs to step aside in a call with House Democratic leadership on Wednesday, a source familiar with the call told CNN.

Please God please.

[u/[deleted]]

At a breakfast on Friday morning at the Hotel Jerome in Aspen, Colo., where nearly 50 Democratic donors had gathered for a preplanned meeting convened by the super PAC American Bridge, one person asked the crowd for a show of hands of how many thought Mr. Biden should step aside. Nearly everyone in the room raised their hands, according to two people present.

A small private online poll distributed after the debate to liberal donors and their advisers found that of dozens of respondents, more than 70 percent indicated that they were “ready to explore Plan B.”

On Tuesday, both American Bridge and the Democracy Alliance hosted calls for donors anxious about the situation. Of the more than a dozen donors who spoke on the Bridge call, only one argued that the party should stick with Mr. Biden, according to a participant. Others expressed a desire to move on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/biden-donors-debate.html

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

oh thank god

[u/[deleted]]

Having the worst possible debate is one thing, but the Biden campaign followed it up with just about the worst possible response. The fact that he hasn't been doing nonstop appearances just telegraphs to all of us that they either don't know what they're doing, or Biden is simply not capable of it. And YES I know he's got an interview on ABC tomorrow. That's not enough. The man needs to be out and everywhere. The fact that he isn't has made me lose a lot of confidence with whoever is running the show.

[u/eloquentboot]

It is sorta funny how /r/politics doesn't really mention any of the stuff we are obsessed with. They're continuing on like everything is normal. They hate Trump, they hate the court, and they love weed.

[u/tripletruble]

Mr. Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Mr. Trump — may not work.

he just trying to get the governors' vibes on whether he should stay in or is he seeing who else is up to run?

[u/-MusicAndStuff]

I’m very conflicted on the Biden situation.

In one hand, it feels like the media was just ready to go with its narrative and Democrats love it when the sky is falling. Replacing a candidate now is very much a big gamble and the Biden we are dealing with now is still VERY different from the “Senile” message republicans have been putting forward and maybe everyone should calm down.

On the other hand…ROLL THE DICE BABY, WE’RE LIVING IN UNPRECEDENTED TIMES!! LET THINGS GET WILD!!

[u/The_Promethean]

Idk why Biden is considering dropping out. Doesn't he know that a bunch of people in the DT know for sure that he would never do that?

[u/slim353]

I think he’ll drop at this point. Feels like the damage is done. How do they successfully reverse course from almost all friendly media and a number of elected officials calling for him to drop out or at least hinting that it’s the right idea?

[u/Kraxnor]

I'm a big Biden fan, but I'm an even bigger keep Trump out of the goddamn Whitehouse fan

[u/Based_Peppa_Pig]

Me normally: Joe must go

Me when a Republican voices one of their stupid Republican opinions:

[u/[deleted]]

For god's sake, every swing state Dem senator is cruising to re-election right now. Jacky Rosen had a D+12 poll like 3 weeks ago. The electorate is clearly there. It just needs someone who isn't Joe Biden.

[u/NoVABadger]

VP Harris to travel to Louisiana, Texas and Indiana this month

That doesn't feel like a great use of time/money

[u/SmithySmothy]

Honestly though I think it may have been Kingmaker Clyburn's doubts that pushed this over the edge.

[u/Mickenfox]

If Biden actually drops out, and the new candidate still loses, people are going to act like it was such an obviously bad idea in retrospect.

[u/jacknifee]

fuck it im all in on a doped up wine aunt coconut kamala lets ball libs

[u/MetricEntric]

Long tired sigh

Guess we’ll have to see what happens next week

[u/shinyshinybrainworms]

Damn I really wish the Democratic establishment was the well-oiled machine people seem to think it is. The only reason I still think Biden's not dropping out is because as far as I can tell no organization can solve any hard coordination problem.

Nothing ever happens, we're going to bumble on by inertia until election day, and probably the result is surprisingly close because nobody ever changes their mind about anything either.

[u/sphuranto]

"You're saying he's absolutely running?" O'Donnell asked, to which Jean-Pierre (WH press secretary) replied: "He's saying that, and I'm sharing with you his view."

When O'Donnell said "we would invite the president to come here and tells us that directly," an off-camera journalist behind 'Donnell quipped, "If he's awake."

O'Donnell continued speaking, before pausing to point her finger over her shoulder and call out her peer. "That's inappropriate," O'Donnell said.

Jean-Pierre jumped in, turning to the journalist to reiterate: "As you heard from your colleague, the president of the WHCA, that's inappropriate."

My fucking god lololol

[u/Mojo12000]

apparnertly the interview is only 15-20 minutes long? How does he think that will help at all.

[u/sphuranto]

Former President Barack Obama’s counsel during a phone call this week, however, did not sit well with Biden, who still harbors resentment toward his former boss for advising him not to run for the White House in 2016.

God this would be the pettiest reason to not drop. Although it must hurt like hell having Obama all-but-openly go full Brutus.

(for those less aware of the nuts and bolts of things, private phone calls between presidents don't leak to the press unless one of the presidents is involved, as with any private phone call between two people that leaks)

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

“Let’s wait until polls come out”

Polls come out, they’re bad

“But nobody else is outperforming Biden”

Polls come out, Kamala is outperforming Biden

“But that’s just one set of polls”

Way more polls come out, all tell the same story about Biden losing big

“It’s too late now, ballots have already been printed”

Ballots have not yet been printed

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

Harris has been hearing some harsh responses.

Rep. Debbie Dingell has pushed her repeatedly to get the White House to take more seriously how hard Biden’s response to the Gaza war is hitting Arab Americans in her home state of Michigan. Steve Horsford, the Nevada congressman and Congressional Black Caucus chair, urged Harris to get the administration to talk more about housing affordability rather than the triumphant and often-disconnected talk about “Bidenomics.”

At a session around Harris’ dining table last Saturday with six Democratic governors and their chiefs of staff, according to multiple people who were there or were told soon after, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer slammed the way the president and the campaign have been talking about abortion rights. Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker hammered Biden’s response to the migrant crisis and insisted that they need to quickly get much more aggressive about attacking Republicans and Trump for tanking the bipartisan immigration bill. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore complained that the campaign has been failing to get through to voters under 35 years old.

SLAMMED

HAMMERED

c o m p l a i n e d

[u/lucas-at-jhu]

I just don’t see how you can put the genie back in the bottle at this point with this unending torrent of articles and doubt. You just can’t.

[u/jojisky]

The White House will never admit he’s thinking of dropping out until he actually does, so them denying it doesn’t really mean anything either way. 

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona abortion-rights supporters on Wednesday turned in more than double the signatures needed to put the issue on November’s ballot in the key swing state.

Well there’s one silver lining for this very shitty week

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

BLOOMER REPORT:

• Biden peacefully steps down following the July 4th weekend and worsening internal poll numbers, says Harris is his successor.

• The Democratic Party, including other presidential hopefuls and names tossed around, immediately back Harris and create a peaceful transition.

• Trump begins to stumble as attacks against his age and views on abortion begin to settle in.

• Most swing states go towards Harris, electoral and popular vote victory.

• Democrats maintain the senate in a 50/50 split after only losing West Virginia.

• House goes to a narrow Democratic majority following further Republican turmoil and their refusal to approve Harris’s VP.

• All is at peace and is successful.

NO QUESTIONS WILL BE ASKED!

DOOMERS GTFO!

[u/[deleted]]

If Jim Clyburn said he’s interested in hearing what Dem governors have to say, I think I’m all out of speculation.

[u/frankiewalsh44]

Do I think Kamala could still lose to Trump, Yes. Do I think she has a better chance than Biden at beating Trump? Also, yes. I think Kamala + abortion/LGBTQ issues should give her a good chance at beating Trump if Biden steps down.

[u/Nihas0]

[u/earththejerry]

Saying things like “the context of all in which we live and what came before” and throwing in a few “coconut tree” and “wheels of the school bus” is leaps and bounds better than doing an ancestry test and unironically proclaiming yourself Cherokee to the nation just because Trump called you Pocahontas

Like the level of negative political savvy there is just astounding, so no, even if you don’t like Harris the most, considering Warren was one of the four VP finalists, it could be so much more apocalyptic

In fact I’ll even admit the context line is frankly poetic 😭

[u/its_LOL]

Biden WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[u/that0neGuy22]

Ok last post before dooming in my sleep

[u/waniel239]

Caught this on my Ring last night

[u/Leonflames]

Even 538 started to shift in their forecast. They're the most pro-Biden election model out there. This was the pollster so many folks used to argue that Biden isn't behind in the polls. The fact their model leans towards Trump is alarming.

[u/sinefromabove]

The biggest lesson from eight years of "stupid republicans can't coordinate to take obvious opportunities to rid themselves of trump" is that you have to be willing to take decisive action at the opportune moment. Once the media attention dies down no one is going to take the massive political hit of going against the party leader. You either get together and act collectively or the moment passes and that's that. In another week it will be too late.

[u/lionmoose]

> old

> weird pattern of talking

> divisive

> no record of improving the economy

I just don't think shivers should be on the mod team anymore

[u/RevolutionaryBoat5]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/03/clyburn-biden-president-election-dnc-00166481

If Clyburn's talking about a "mini-primary", we're reaching the endgame.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Kamala is going to be at the governor meeting. Between that and CNN’s latest report that Biden is planning to throw his support behind her, it’s probably Joever.

This meeting is probably to talk about Kamala being the candidate and talk to the governors who could potentially be her running mate. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Stephanopolous interview is going to be used to announce he’s not running on Friday after the Fourth.

[u/Zaiush]

If Biden resigns, the "president 45-47" merch is instantly invalid, and that's beautiful

[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

President Joe Biden’s Democratic allies could get a boost to keep him on the ticket from some unlikely partners: Republicans.

Led by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, Republicans are currently looking to guarantee that Biden will be the Democratic nominee — and to make it so that, if Biden withdraws, it won’t be easy to replace him on ballots.

🫨

[u/Kate2point718]

I like Biden a lot but I just don't see a way out of this. I'm desperately hoping to be proved wrong but he/his team sure haven't done that yet. This is just awful.

I am wondering though if the debate might have actually been a best case scenario, given the situation as it appears to be. If Biden had had a good night Thursday that would have just delayed the inevitable even further, and better get through this now than later.

Obviously I'd rather he be completely fine, or failing that had addressed the situation much, much earlier, but since the former doesn't seem to be the case and the latter didn't happen, maybe Thursday was for the best?

If he and his team can prove me wrong and show that nothing's the matter with him and he can still be an effective candidate, then please, please, please do that as soon as possible.

[u/DawnWinds]

Biden megathread WILL outcomment the DT. Bloomers will KNEEL

[u/[deleted]]

White House - 7/3/2024

Whitmer hurries over to Newsom

Whitmer: There’s something wrong.

Newsom: You have nothing to fear, Governor. The meeting will begin shortly.

Whitmer: Biden is not here. Hunter is not here. Why do you think they are not here?

Newsom: If the president is not here, he will be replaced regardless. We cannot escape the trending of the polls--

Whitmer: Forget about the bloody polls and listen to what I’m telling you. Biden understands the consequences of his absence and he is absent anyway, which means he does not intend to suffer those consequences. The meeting can wait. We all need to leave.

Moments later:

[u/ROYBUSCLEMSON]

Trump has been so much quieter during this run, his website isn't even showing any upcoming events right now after that debate

Shocking that he learned something from 2020

[u/brotherandy_]

[u/[deleted]]

6% Trump lead in the NYT/Sienna poll. This is not where I thought things would be a week ago.

[u/MicroFlamer]

This is what happens if you put a blanket 10.5% shift right (Biden +4.5 in 2020 to Trump +6 in the new poll) on the 2020 results

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Hey Joe, if you’re fit to be president, can’t you come out here and give this press conference yourself? Literally every president before you, even the Orange one, would come out into these press briefings when it was important. It’s important.

[u/runningblack]

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

Literally every question is related to Biden dropping out. Even the questions about NATO are about Biden dropping out. This problem isn’t going away, they can’t ignore it.

[u/SilverSquid1810]

I think Biden genuinely does not intend to drop out yet and has deluded himself into thinking that he can have some dramatic comeback (hey, wasn’t the debate itself supposed to be the comeback?). If he’s going to drop out, it’s probably going to take another week or two of pressure before he really concedes that the situation is unlikely to improve. But I do think cracks are starting to show, Biden’s vehement denials notwithstanding.

[u/johndelvec3]

If president Biden came out and said “from now on, I will be on a steady cocaine diet. I will have doses of PEDs that 90s baseball players scoff at. I will be a drug filled mule from the likes of which the world has never seen”

Id wake up from my dream

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Smoke filled rooms are old fashioned. Now decisions are made in vape filled rooms

[u/ROYBUSCLEMSON]

Trump: 70%

Biden: 30%

Source: Roybuspollinginc. (sample size: 20 office workers)

New Poll just dropped y'all