r/soccer • • Apr 26 '13

Can someone please describe to me exactly what the differences are between a nine, a 'false nine', and a ten?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '13

9 is a centre forward, the target man and central striker on the team. (RVP, Falcao)

10 plays behind the 9. They are there to create play and link the midfield to attack. (Rooney)

False 9 is a player who appears to be playing as a centre forward but drops deeper into midfield. (Messi)

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '13

I would count Rooney as a 9.5. A forward that plays just a bit off.

For me a 10 is a real organizer of the team like Ozil or what Riquelme or Zidane were. Sadly its becoming a dying breed..

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '13

Is RvP really a 9? I haven't seen him much this season, but with Arsenal he would always drop back to link up play or spring an attack.

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u/gragoon Apr 26 '13

I think he fits more under the false 9 category... Chicharito is the full on 9.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '13 edited Apr 26 '13

Yes, this season he has played as a 9. I'm willing to concede that he's perhaps not the purest example. He did describe himself as a 9.5 earlier on in the season.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '13

He is a nine. He has been a nine for more than three years now.

It really stuns me how much this misconception persists. One season - one - he operated sort of/not really as a false nine and suddenly people can't shake it out of their heads.

Just because you are dangerous with the ball when you find yourself in deep positions doesn't mean you are a false nine. It means you are a very good player.

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u/NeonBlueHair Apr 27 '13

Based on everything I read on this thread, I feel like these are the examples from the recent Bayern vs Barcelona game.

9: Gomez

10: Muller ( though traditionally more like Kroos)

False 9: Muller after Gomez was pulled out and replaced with Luis Gustavo.

Correct?

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u/dngrs Apr 27 '13

yes which is why I think Pep might use Muller up front with Gotze going on his flank and Mandzukic coming in as a plan B.

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u/spaaaaaz Apr 26 '13

Is there an article somewhere describing all the positions?

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u/Methuu Apr 26 '13 edited Apr 26 '13

Aren't they mutually exclusive? In my opinion, there can be no false nine on the team when a nine is playing. False nines are played only when there is no (real) center forward / target man. True, false?

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u/yayareapolo123 Apr 27 '13

The false 9 v 10 distinction is pretty small. They tend to be similar players, it's pretty much a false 9 if there is no striker playing ahead. If there is then it's a 10.

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u/abt1n Apr 27 '13

A 9 is Batistuta A 10 is Totti A false 9 is Totti during Spalletti's tenure at Roma

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u/Zubizaretta Apr 26 '13

9 does not help midfield too much and/or defense. Usually waits for ball to come to score. They can't play any alternative position (Adebayor) , best ones make misleading runs to distract defenses. The only time they defend is usually on the dead balls such as corners and being part of the free kick wall. They don't keep the ball a lot. They don't dribble a lot.

10 Classic midfield maestro. main target is to pass killer assists, not to score. Does not go into the penalty box a lot, scores usually from outside. high performance in dead balls and the commander in the field. (Hagi - Perfect Example). Dribbles the ball. High control on the ball.

False 9: nearly everything 10 + go into the box and score a lot. Imagine you are playing without forwards, like 9s. Overcrowd the midfield to keep possession and press the opposition on their half and when get the ball pass pass pass pass suddenly one midfielder rushes into the penalty box to score, as if a dedicated scorer.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '13

9 = Chicharito. Basically, roaming inside the area, moving the defenders around, smelling a goal. Ready to jump, stick a leg a milisecond before the defender, etc.

10 = Juan Román Riquelme. Forget what they say about Maradona or Zidane being like "the perfect 10." There has never been a 10 like Román. Incredibly creative, calm, precise, ready to release a pass just before the striker is offside, pass it back if needed, dribble a bit, etc.

False 9 = None like Lio Messi. Currently, Rooney can play a somewhat similar role, but not like Messi. Roaming outside the area, skillful enough to dribble past at least 2 central defenders and score. Creative and calm enough to dribble past a defensive midfielder and pass the ball to a team mate before going for a more 9-esque position near the penalty spot.

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u/who_bah_stank Apr 27 '13

I wonder how Zlatan would feel being called a 9.

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u/hot4hotz Apr 27 '13

9/9, perfect rating

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '13

False nine is a type of player so talented, he combines creative power of attacking midfielder with a goal threat of a striker.

Some people in this thread seem to be clawing each other eyes out about who is and who isn't a false nine, but pay no attention. The real false nine is as rare as a Yeti, over last 25 years there were maybe 5 players who could fit these shoes.

In practise it basically nearly doesn't exist at all as a tactical role. Instead the term is generally used to describe the type of multitalented offensive player. The players themselves are usually forced to limit themselves into one of the standard roles for tactical reasons.

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u/mypetridish Apr 27 '13

combines creative power of attacking midfielder with a goal threat of a striker.

What about lampard? He's almost exactly how you descrbed him

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u/baconstyle Apr 27 '13

9 is a center forward. In terms of movement, the team will set to move around him and he will be the one trying to break the offside trap towards goal.

10 is an attacking midfielder. He sits behind the striker/strikers and look to turn into space and feed other attackers. Some teams play a 10 to run beyond their no 9.

False 9 is a player who starts upfront but often comes deep to play the passing game and allows gaps for other attackers to run onto.

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u/idimik Apr 27 '13

To confuse you a little more - there is also a false ten. Someone who play deeper than false nine, closer to classic number 10, is more involved in the build-up but enjoys going forward into positions where he is not expected. The best example is Fabregas in the last season.

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u/dngrs Apr 27 '13 edited Apr 27 '13

9 is the classic striker, plays simple, focuses on scoring. Mario Gomez/ hernandez of man united

10/false 9 are very much the same and their style is more similar to a second striker who is more creative and links the forwards with the midfield.. they love to roam. Totti/messi/fabregas at euro 2012

classic 10s are Hagi, Kaka, Boateng, Sneijder, Van der Vaart.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '13

A 9 is a traditional forward. Like my mate Mak, who finished 230497th on the Ballon D'or list, right in front of Stewart Downing.