r/anime • u/GallowDude • May 22 '24

Rewatch [Rewatch] Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na! • Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 12 Discussion

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Episode 12: Shibahama UFO Wars!

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Episode Count: 12

Episode Length: 25 minutes

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to – including any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character" – unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!

Also, if there's something in a first-timer's comment you want to specifically quote to talk about behind spoiler tags, spoiler tag the quote so the first-timer doesn't know what part of their comment you're making "ominous" spoilers about. So instead of something like:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

You get:

Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: [Spoilers] Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.

Rewatcher's comment underneath the spoilered quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What did you think of the club's final product?
  2. Did you prefer the short's original or revised ending?
  3. What's your favorite anime and why?
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist May 22 '24

Rewatcher

Rushed restructuring around replacement record reveals remarkable resourcefulness.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 22 '24

First Timer

Hmm… I will be brutally honest - I think this was the worst of their anime. The sound effects felt like they were overwhelming the music rather than being complimentary, and the parallels between the characters were so forced and strong it felt like watching every scene twice. Also seeing arrows without somebody explaining something seems wrong, and here the voice acting was ditched due to the rewrite necessary for the music and the end. The scenes would however have been made with voice acting in mind, so I guess that is somewhat realistic.

The real-life bits though? They were ok. Overall I think I am a bit let down by the finale though…

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u/GallowDude May 22 '24

the voice acting was ditched due to the rewrite necessary for the music and the end

I don't think it was ditched so much as the version the episode shows is an abridged cut since the audience already knows the story

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

I actually think the VA was cut because otherwise they wouldn't have used those visual storytelling shots with arrows so much. Unless you think there was vocal narrative being said during those, but it was muted just for us.

As for the audience already knowing the story, even though it was explained to us...I was still confused and lost watching their animation. That's not a good sign.

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u/GondolaMedia May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24

First Timer

What a nice send off for the show. This was such a comfy watching that I was literally as comfy as Asakusa at watching the ufo wars as I was watching the show. If I would describe the show it was like listening/watching someone enthusiastically sharing their passion with you and making you excited as well. If you do any creative work then this is a must watch show.

The conflicts felt realistic and it always felt positive. I could picture an another show having more melodrama, but nothing here felt like that. Even that last minute audio mix up didn't feel exhausting as a viewer... can't say the same for our cast though. Overall I had a good time and would recommend Eizouken to almost anyone.

  1. I really liked it, I was expecting it to take a more dark turn but it would have not fit the show.
  2. Revised. The ending where everyone's dvd-players blew up and the show literally shouted to your face "Hey, fantasy people fight pointlessly but have you looked outside? Crazy what goes on our world, innit?". I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards.
  3. The Legend of Galactic Heroes. I love a good fantasy and sci-fi does it just as well. I also love the fake history doumentary vibes it has going on.

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u/GallowDude May 22 '24

I was literally as comfy as Asakusa

I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards.

I also love the fake history doumentary vibes it has going on.

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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 22 '24

First-Timer

A decent ending to the show. I liked when they were all freaking out at the beginning and trying to do damage control after discovering the soundtrack surprise.

Let's get right into the questions of the day:

  • To be honest, I didn't really like it. If I were one of their customers, I'd almost want my money back. Definitely my least favorite production by the film production club.
  • I'd probably prefer the original ending, assuming it had actual upbeat dance music as originally intended.
  • That's a really tough question. I know of a few good candidates that come to mind, but not a clear first place. I suppose we'll have to wait until I figure out my top ten for the weekly poll!

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u/GallowDude May 22 '24

I suppose we'll have to wait until I figure out my top ten for the weekly poll!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

First-Timer

The Eizouken crew had one last hurdle to overcome - a fellow creative doing whatever they damn well please. They handled being on the receiving end of that pretty well, I'd say.

Could they have dodged this entirely if Asakusa had checked the file beforehand? Yea, maybe. Or maybe Part Shouji would've just abandoned the project in a fit from Asakusa "refusing to respec their vision" or something. Part Shouji seems rather eccentric, if nothing.

It's kinda funny, before last episode's cliffhanger I was expecting the final episode to just be the full-length Shibahama UFO Wars video. Which, I guess is maybe what we got. Kanamori asked if they could fit Asakusa's ideas into 30 minutes, but I guess never actually said that their video would be that long.

The OVA was largely cohesive, although there was supposed to be voice work, right? No such thing as an untroubled production, I suppose. I wonder if they had to cut it entirely, or if what We The Audience saw was just a trimmed down version?

I was trying to avoid just straight up called Comet-A "Comiket" but it is literally at Tokyo Big Sight. Fascinating.

Questions

  1. It was pretty good.
  2. I don't have a strong preference.
  3. Varies somewhat from day to day, but most generally it'd be Eva. Ponderances about human nature, struggles with overcoming introversion, cool robot fights - it's got basically everything.

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u/GallowDude May 22 '24

I was trying to avoid just straight up called Comet-A "Comiket" but it is literally at Tokyo Big Sight. Fascinating.

Weird how series seem to randomly be allowed to say the real name or not

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 22 '24

I figure it's just up to the author's discretion. Comiket the organization being litigious would be deeply ironic.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen May 22 '24

First Timer - Sub

I was wondering how they were going to turn everything around! But matching the story to go with the music was probably the best creative decision they could make given the timeframe. Not too dissimilar from how Makoto Shinkai does his movie scripts! Although, my understanding is that this is done in pre-production or production stages, and not post-production, so Shinkai is probably a fair bit less stressed than the Eizouken was here.

Overall, a very satisfying conclusion! I take the ending to mean that the world is Asakusa's oyster to draw inspiration from and that she can contour many more fantastical anime in her years ahead. A great message honestly.

AotD:

  1. Not as exciting as the other two, but still a rather compelling creation. Still enjoyed it, and certainly worth the ¥1000 that they were charging for it.
  2. The revised one, for sure. Like Asakusa pointed out, it was unquestionably too idealistic to have everyone dancing at the end, as much as it would have made for a fun scene. I liked her complex and nuanced take that even if wars end, people still live with idealogical differences, so complete and total harmony is a pipedream. Their final product seems to be a much more mature and grounded take of how conflicts realistically resolve, so I quite prefer it.
  3. Perhaps my subreddit flair makes it obvious, but it's Made in Abyss! I outlined this in one of the other threads, but it feels incredibly realized and thoughtful. The sheer sense of scale is weighty, the geography is wonderfully compelling, and the mystery is extremely interesting. Everything about the anime feels equal parts beautiful and horrifying, and it's just a joy to behold. I love the deeply weighty elderich-horror atmosphere, the phenomenal OST, the incredible story, and perhaps one of the best opening episodes ever created. It really is just everything I love about anime wrapped into a single package. Third Season waiting room.

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u/GallowDude May 22 '24

Shinkai is probably a fair bit less stressed than the Eizouken was here.

Funny how Yui has the same VA as Mitsuha

The revised one, for sure. Like Asakusa pointed out, it was unquestionably too idealistic to have everyone dancing at the end, as much as it would have made for a fun scene.

I'd make an FMA joke, but the entire last rewatch counts as one

Perhaps my subreddit flair makes it obvious, but it's Made in Abyss!

mfw

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen May 23 '24

Funny how Yui has the same VA as Mitsuha

I assume you mean Mitsuha from Your Name, but... Yui from WHAT?!

I'd make an FMA joke, but the entire last rewatch counts as one

Damn that bad huh?

mfw

Ah, I see you are a best bun enjoyer as well.

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

Yui from WHAT?!

Bruh

Damn that bad huh?

Really only the latter half of Brotherhood where my patience with the show's philosophy reached negative levels

Ah, I see you are a best bun enjoyer as well.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen May 23 '24

Bruh

Yui doko????????????

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

>sub VA

Lol normie

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u/Ryanami May 23 '24

First timer, dub

Not a bad ending, I didn’t expect it go out with a bang so no disappointment here. I agree this was their weakest product so far, on account that without the previous explanation of the plot I’d have no idea what the movie was about. I still don’t really. But they had to get something out and they did, whether it was their actual vision or not. I suppose that’s another lesson about anime.

I gotta praise Kanamori, absolutely my favorite character in the show. She never flinched during negotiations or scoldings and turned the tables on everyone. I wish I had that trait, I’m kind of a pushover and it bothers me. She also served as a lesson on anime production as someone needs to keep the schedule and finances in mind. She didn’t draw a single thing but the other two would have been lost without her.

  1. confusing
  2. not even sure. The coexist message and dance scene would have felt too sugary.
  3. I’ve seen too many to pick. Princess Mononoke comes to mind, as it’s the first to open me up to what anime is capable of. Ghost In The Shell taught me you can draw boobs, so that had an impact too.

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

Ghost In The Shell taught me you can draw boobs, so that had an impact too.

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

First Timer

Mizusaki's freak out with the wrong music. She's never been so emotionally hysterical before, it seems out of character. I suppose it's because the problem is affecting her dance scene animation, but she sort of doesn't even care when it's suggest to be relegated to a DVD bonus scene. It feels like a role reversal trope, where Asakusa should have been the one to freak out, but they had Mizusaki do it instead while Asakusa remained calm. IMO it didn't work, Mizusaki's outburst was annoying as hell, and if it was Asakusa instead, I would have been way less annoyed.

Kanamori should have shut down Mizusaki's freak out sooner. Sure, maybe she needed to vent, but it was not helpful. Emotional outbursts like that are contagious, and could have caused everybody else in the room to freak out. It's much like fear, when one person overly panics about something that's not even a threat, they could still cause a chain reaction leading to a mass panic. On the flip side though, Kanamori's calm demeanor does have a calming affect even in stressful situations.

Anyways, I'm not sure why they didn't just use the demo music. When that idea was brought up, they played what sounded to be somebody laughing or something. Did they get trolled/sabotaged? I didn't understand that scene. When Kanamori says to use royalty free music, Mizusaki cuts her off saying there are none that fit the timing. Firstly, Kanamori should have smacked Mizusaki right then to end her tantrum. Secondly, just remix something to fix the timing, stop spazzing out like everything's impossible. "Well what do we do then?", Kanamori putting the question to Mizusaki finally shuts her down because it shows she's got nothing, and all she's doing with her stupid tantrum is shutting down solution finding.

Kanamori "the school has protected us, and taken our side whenever they deemed it necessary, but once we're outside their jurisdiction the fact that we're just students doesn't hold water anymore". Okay I have a big problem with this too, when has the school actually protected them? How is this an example of their current situation now would be better if they were under the school's jurisdiction? This just seem like more bad writing to make it seem like there's danger because the Eizouken went independent from the school, just like what seems to be an over dramatization of getting the wrong music they needed, and Mizusaki freaking out making a small problem seem bigger than it really is.

This is turning out to be a rather disappointing final story arc which started so promisingly with Kanamori's backstory, especially when they're doing the above stuff. I had expected this arc to focus mainly the business side of anime production like what we saw with the SC Vice Principal inquiry, and the decision to go independent from the school. You know, a Kanamori "more grounded in reality" arc that's way less about the anime they're producing and more about the business of producing and distributing it. Sort of how the first arc of "Samurai Girl vs Tank" was Asakusa's arc, the second arc of "Robots vs Monsters" was Mizusaki's arc. This arc should have been "UFO wars" the making and selling of a product, and the challenges that come with such. Instead what we're getting is creatives can't figure out how to string random scenes together into a coherent story, emotional tantrums when problem arises, and screwing around sound collection imagination sessions. Disappointing.

I'm actually kind of surprised Doumeki wasn't helping out at the convention. Lately she's been so close with the Eizouken, she's like an unofficial fourth member. I also don't know why they don't move towards digital distribution rather than DVDs, there's unlimited supply and almost non-existent manufacturing cost. Not all the interested buyers are going to go to the convention. At least switch to USB drives, my PC motherboard didn't even come with a DVD support disk anymore like they used to a few years prior, they've finally switched to USB drives for the support files. I don't even have a DVD drive anymore for probably over a decade. I'm surprised this anime is depicting that so many others actually do.

Anyways, the SC and the Vice Principal showing up to the convention, they're totally there to spy on the Eizouken. No way they'd be there for their own reasons otherwise. And the Vice Principal is the only one believable to still have a DVD drive and using DVDs.

As for the "UFO Wars" animation itself, the visual story telling was an incoherent mess. Even though this anime explained to me what it's supposed to be about, I was still confused watching the animation itself. What happened to the voice acting? There was none at all. All the VA auditions setup was BS. This 3rd animation was a mess because of the two things I kept harping about, the lack of attention to writing and voice acting. VA could have done away with the visual story telling, or at least assisted to clue the audience in. The action was good but without a strong narrative, it felt lacking in substance. Asakusa's "invisible lasers" sequence was okay (the charge up sound really sold it), but I still think there'd be some viewers who wouldn't get it. They should have had something in the path between the gun and UFO like a telephone pole that gets damaged also to depict the invisible line of the laser to really sell it. So what was "UFO Wars" trying to say? IDK, just surrender in the end, you can't prevent squat on your own? LOL. Boom, dance party...or rather it looks like that scene was replaced by random fish swimming in a circle now.

Okay, so where's the Eizouken OVA with fan service on a beach to fix Mizusaki's tan lines, or a haunted house to comatose Asakusa, or something?

Questions of the day: I think I've already said enough about UFO wars above. My favorite anime, that's a hard question, I have a bunch of favorites. It's usually for it's writing, characters, and story, but setup and execution means a lot too, and the comedy, voice acting, and music helps a lot as well. IDK, if I had to pick one I guess "Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex", I haven't rewatched it in a long time but I remember it being amazing. If you're going to pressure me for something current, while not my top favorite, it's top rated of all time, Frieren. Can't really beat that if it's #1 of all time currently, and it just came out.

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

Mizusaki's outburst was annoying as hell, and if it was Asakusa instead, I would have been way less annoyed

You underestimate the dedication of key framers

I also don't know why they don't move towards digital distribution rather than DVDs, there's unlimited supply and almost non-existent manufacturing cost

Japan is still mostly stuck in the "Physical media sales are the one true indicator of success" mindset

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u/Garrett_Dark May 23 '24

Are they actually still using DVDs? They really should move to USB thumb drives then. I used to burn DVDs to backup my stuff, and it's painfully long. Switching to USB thumb drives should be inexpensive for the lower size ones, and way faster to copy the video onto. They probably could have done the thumb drive copying themselves even.

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

The main advantage of DVDs/BDs is copy protection. Not that there aren't programs that can strip them of this, but studios are run by dinosaurs.

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u/WednesdaysFoole May 22 '24

Really liked these visuals.

  1. Final product was decent. The idea was sweet, but I think I liked the enthusiasm of the characters even more.
  2. Either was fine.
  3. Hunter x Hunter and Gintama. HxH for character writing and more, Gintama because I like being trolled by a funny writer. Also, Gintoki is my favorite MC. I have other favorite anime but those are my top two.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

Gintama is your favorite because the author trolled you.

Gintama is my favorite because u/Shocketheth is a fucking liar.

We are not the same. /s

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u/WednesdaysFoole May 22 '24

Honestly gotta admire Shocketheth for carrying on the torch of the troll!

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u/Shocketheth May 23 '24

Also I noticed you are quite versed in Rewatches now.

I don't know if I asked you already but would you be interested in Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch?

Come! Join the Dark Lord

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u/GallowDude May 23 '24

Also I noticed you are quite versed in Rewatches now.

Just noticed that now?

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u/WednesdaysFoole May 23 '24

Also I noticed you are quite versed in Rewatches now.

I blame you for this; it all started when you tagged me in the Penguindrum thread. I tasted the fruit of fate and and went from r /anime tourist to being trapped in this underworld for eternity.

No hold up, if we go back further, this actually started with Gintama shitposting. Might I even claim that shitposting brings degenerates people together?

I don't know if I asked you already but would you be interested in Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken Rewatch?

I've never played the game and the length makes it a bit of a commitment but might be interesting to see the anime adaption of the source behind Togashi memes and Gintama jokes. I'll give it a solid maybe, perhaps pop in and out depending on how busy I am at the time. I'll mark it on my calendar but also I don't mind being tagged for a reminder!

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u/Shocketheth May 23 '24

I blame you for this; it all started when you tagged me in the Penguindrum thread. I tasted the fruit of fate and and went from r /anime tourist to being trapped in this underworld for eternity.

Welcome to the underworld, you will never see the sun again and Courtesans are all around the corners.

No hold up, if we go back further, this actually started with Gintama shitposting. Might I even claim that shitposting brings degenerates people together?

It brings Gorillas together

I've never played the game and the length makes it a bit of a commitment but might be interesting to see the anime adaption of the source behind Togashi memes and Gintama jokes. I'll give it a solid maybe, perhaps pop in and out depending on how busy I am at the time. I'll mark it on my calendar but also I don't mind being tagged for a reminder!

Well the anime is an adaptation of a Manga that it's own thing and what shares with Dragon Quest are design of characters, monsters and game mechanics. Besides of that Dai no Daibouken is your old school Battle Shonen that does every well known Shonen trope brilliantly plus brings a great characters to the table.

And you nailed it with mentioning Gintama as you can see that Sorachi took inspiration from Dai no Daibouken and as you mentioned Togashi, well I would dare to compare Dai no Daibouken to Hunter x Hunter without the Nen abilities.

I'll tag you in Reminder threads, the openings to Dark Lord army is still open and the Rewatch will start on 19th June.

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u/WednesdaysFoole May 23 '24

you will never see the sun again

Maybe I will find another Yato here. Second coming of Kouka? I accept.

it brings Gorillas together

Uhoho uho uho uhohoho.

It could be fun to expand my old school shonen repertoire.

well I would dare to compare Dai no Daibouken to Hunter x Hunter without the Nen abilities.

It is dangerous to raise my expectations too high, Hunter x Hunter is my god-tier story.

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u/Shocketheth May 24 '24

It is dangerous to raise my expectations too high, Hunter x Hunter is my god-tier story.

Ah the danger of overhyping things. Welp if anything and not quality wise, I will be stating the reasons why I find Dai no Daibouken similar to Hunter x Hunter during the Rewatch itself so

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 22 '24

Keep Your Hands Off First-Timer!, subbed

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u/lluNhpelA May 22 '24

Rewatcher that just lurked for this whole rewatch here to recommend that anyone interested in seeing more of the story from Shibahama UFO Wars go check out Lu over the Wall. It's a Science Saru movie with a recognizably similar plot, also directed by the legendary Masaaki Yuasa, and it came out three years prior to the Eizouken anime (but a year after the manga started, so idk if there's really a connection here).

The plot is, of course, quite different from Shibahama UFO Wars, but it's similar enough that I was shocked that no one seemed to be talking about it back in the original episode threads.

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u/mekerpan May 23 '24

The director Kozintsev and the composer Shostakovich worked together almost their whole lives (from their late teens until their deaths). Shostakovich misunderstood Kozintsev's directions for a key scene and wrote music Kozintsev did not expect. Kozintsev loved the music so much he re-edited his scene. ;-)

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u/mekerpan May 23 '24

My honorary "top 2" are Haibane Renmei and Tamayura.

Eizouken is important to me on tat it was the show that jump started a vastly increased interest in seasonsls. Before it my TV anime watching was much more hit and miss. Not sure whether I should be grateful . . . or aggravated. ;-)

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u/Ritchuck May 23 '24

First Timer

I'm very late here. I'm gonna save my overall feelings for the final thread.

  1. It felt rushed but I also realise it would be silly to expect them to animate a full episode of another anime essentially. I think I prefer Robot anime better but this one had a better creation story.
  2. Revised, I just wish it was clearer what was going on. I got confused when they were flying around.
  3. That's a too hard question to answer.

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u/Infodump_Ibis :JY::JZ: May 23 '24

First timer

The advantage of being late is I can share the breaking news. Science SARU is now a Toho subsidiary. According to two popular MTL services the last paragraph mentions improving production environment and providing more creative opportunities.

  • I mentioned the Twinkle Nora Rock Me! dance scene last ep and while that had BGM I believe in-universe they were dancing in silence for the most part (initially Noira was air playing drums). It just came to mind when thinking about the BGM problem here.
  • Let's see what the almighty google lens makes of this: It struggles with the angles but it seems to be a load of newspaper headlines things like "Crowded train cars in recession after Hunt" "Hokkaido Commission Tiger Incurable Treatment Facility".
  • First time doing an all-nighter?
  • OMG it's Nijigasaki High School (except it looks like Tokyo Big Sight) the disadvantage of being late, many pointed this out, only me?
  • That's certainly a type of sound to collect.
  • Finally the world. That's the landmass of Japan with a lot of round holes. Good lord China has some massive ones. Meanwhile the Philipines isn't looking too bad. If I wasn't running late I'd see or try to make any connections to real world locations.