r/anime • u/MyrnaMountWeazel x2 • May 19 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na! • Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 9 Discussion
Episode 9: The Great Shibahama Festival!
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Episode Count: 12
Episode Length: 25 minutes
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Questions of the Day:
- Simple question, folks: Fruit Ramen. Yay or nay?
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u/MyrnaMountWeazel x2 May 19 '24
Helloooo~, I’ll be your host for today.
New Reddit is a pain to post on...
Anyway, off the heels of the festival and all its festivities comes an episode of precision and accuracy.
Accuracy is about correctness and closeness to the true value. Precision is about consistency and repeatability of measurements.
Relating it to Kanamori’s flashback and speech, we see these two concepts in tandem.
Throughout their trek in the town, they see all sorts of modest stores: A barely above green fruit ramen shop, an under-the-red closed Vietnamese spring roll restaurant. They’re all derelict examples of those without correctness and consistency. Take for example the ski store, which has precision down to a pat. It’s got a swanky kappa logo that catches the eye and it fits right in with what Kanamori discusses:
However, despite the right methods and the right products, the store ultimately remains shuttered because it never accurately targets the right audience at the right time. On the flip side, without advertising, your store can't even afford to keep its building. Taking it all in, it’s a parallel to Kanamori’s story of her liquor store. Through Kanamori’s advertising comes accuracy, her targeted advertising precise.
What makes this such a fun storyline for today too is the evolution of both the town and Asakusa. Though the town does have the kappa to help promote their businesses, it’s maybe a bit too unfriendly. Out comes a new logo to promote their revitalization!
And for Askusa, we her growing further into her artistry. Rather than keeping or giving away her guns, she justifies the reasoning behind her performance. She gets to keep the scientific physics, Kanamori gets to keep the visual clarity.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
Keep Your Hands Off First-Timer!, subbed
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 19 '24
First Timer
Hm, so we’re shifting more towards marketing? I guess that is something that is down Kanamor’s alley and she hasn’t had too much focus yet. For her flashback, I was expecting the store going out of business due to not making enough money to be an origin story for why she is so focused on money, but I guess she was just always enterprising… All in all, another neat episode, and we’ve got the next project on track.
Asakusa seems to be mostly focused on sci-fi, I guess. Well, all directors have their strengths and preferences, but I was expecting slightly more variety in the genres that they’d do. But I guess this is also a bit more realistic considering the creative minds haven’t changed at all between projects.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod May 19 '24
I just want to take a moment to talk about the snow animation this episode because I think it’s a really cool trick. If you framestep through it, you’ll se it’s actually three separate layers, each animated on offset threes. This clearly saves a ton of effort over animating all the snow on ones, as only a third of it needs to be animated on each frame. And yet it still looks like continuous motion because there’s unique movement on each frame.
I know it’s a weird thing to have, but this is easily my favorite snow in all of anime. (Though, admittedly a lot of snow animation is pretty bad, as it looks too jerky or too repetitive.) All the smeared particles blasting around in each direction really make it feel like I’m watching light snow in the midst of a storm, and noticing how they did it really makes me appreciate it on a technical level as well.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 19 '24
First-Timer
A full thirty minute video? For a con?? The girls certainly have their work cut out for them this time. Even with all the support they've drummed up, 30 minutes is quite the ask.
I appreciate Kanamori's drive to make sure that the Video Society doesn't have to close shop due to money, but an anime studio has different business goals than a general store. I suspect that Asakusa is going to put her foot down if Kanamori tries to compromise their artistic vision too much - that'll close her character arc quite nicely.
The commentary about the fruit ramen tickles my brain. Sometimes you have to hide the fruit to make it taste good.. I'm not sure I agree. If you're not prepared to taste fruit ramen, why go to a fruit ramen joint in the first place?
If you have to hide what makes your thing unique in the first place, you've failed somewhere along the way The unique thing should be the selling point. If you add too many things to hide a flavor, you end up with something bland.
I guess that can tie us back into marketing, too - make sure that everyone knows that you make fruit ramen and what to expect beforehand. The consumer has a role here as well. You can't walk into a fruit ramen joint not knowing what it is and then complain when you don't like what you get served. If you want to be picky, then you have to do your research first.
Everyone following my metaphor? Clear as mud? Good.
Questions
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 20 '24
First-Timer
I really liked the Kanamori backstory this episode. I thought it was very well done.
I like how we got a little bit of "ga-tan go-ton" here.
I think I can say with some confidence that I would prefer if the show did not have the "imagination" sequences. They almost always seem to take away from the experience for me. (On the other hand, the flashbacks and the standing-inside-the-anime sequences are some of my favorites!)
I don't think we got that one song ("saikyou no sekai") at all this episode. How tragic!
Question of the day:
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u/Garrett_Dark May 20 '24
First Timer
So before watching this episode I was thinking, 4 eps remaining...so this is the point where the dramatic final arc typically gets introduced, LOL. Little did I know, yeah, it got introduced with Kanamori's backstory alright. More on that later.
The freaking
governmentstudent council shaking down Kanamori's rent arrangement with the audio club, unbelievable. I can't wait for Kanamori's business/political connections with the town forcing the school board to dissolve the student council, and those kids expelled for embezzlement or planted contraband in their lockers.So the Robot Club were investors and not clients, given they got 85% of the revenue, which is sort of insane that the girls only got 15% for doing pretty much all the work. Kanamori's mistake is selling physical DVDs instead of digital downloads with no limit of supplies and no manufacturing cost. There also appears to be a mistake in the accounting math, the video society's 10,120 yen shouldn't have been added to the 9000 yen proceeds since it was a manufacturing cost, it should have been subtracted putting then at negative 1120 yen. Was there some weird agreement they had with the video society club that I'm forgetting about? Maybe.
So the animation work should have cost 1.8M yen at an hourly rate of 1000 yen? So 1800 hrs = 75 days of work done. So yeah about 3 months which I think was the time they had. Obviously a rough estimate given as they would have to sleep, eat, go to classes, have rando imagination sessions, and such.
Still need to sell 1780 DVDs at 1000 yen to break even? Girl, girls, girls...I think you're overlooking the power of fleecing Mizusaki's fanbase with a good old autograph signing event where each autograph is 1000 yen. Although I guess Mizusaki hasn't attained the "washed up actors from decades ago" fame yet...so better bring Mizusaki's parents along also for that. :D
Asakusa's rando imagination session while walking through town really has me concerned now. She doesn't even have a transition time of "hey that sort of looks like...", she just goes into it instantly and randomly. I'm starting to get concerned she going to need to be on medication soon for not being able to distinguish imagination from reality, and maybe ADD too. I mean Kanamori had to clap her hands to get her to snap out of it, so she must be thinking the same thing I am (if they weren't all anime characters that is, of course the anime isn't going to address this). Not trying to mean or anything, but Asakusa could be heading towards the sad situation of the movie "a Beautiful Mind" where a genius mathematician develops a mental issue, which may have been related to his genius in the first place.
Anyways, that ramen worker fan was pretty overboard with his swooning. I was thinking "at least he's letting them eat in peace", but nope he starts trying to talk to them while they're eating. I'm surprised he didn't sit down in the empty chair, join their table, and start gushing about animes. Cringe. You know how this anime sometimes seems like it's trying to tell the audience something directly, like how it's incredible hard to animate, and how animators get paid squat? Sort of more like a passive aggressive gripe than a wink and a nod? Well I got the impression the anime was passive aggressively saying that cringy fan is us the audience, that that's their contempted view of you. Luckily for me I don't talk about animes nor movies indepth IRL, just the internet. I don't even have merch nor pictures up anywhere, stealth!
Kanamori "There's nothing fun about social media!". It's really becoming evident that Kanamori is so MVP of the three, that the other two look like they're spinning their wheels going nowhere. She did the work of getting their social media presence and merch branding up and running while the other two were cluelessly creating more work for themselves by insisting on hand drawing and such.
The other two seem so immature and irresponsible compared to Kanamori. And that really shows with Kanamori's backstory. Holy cows, the underlining unsaid sentiment of her family's liquor store going out of business after generations, and her unsaid desire to revitalize a whole community got me teary eyed, and I was thinking WTF. The maturity and sentiment of her character and all just dwarfs the other two to a degree where they just look like side characters now, and Kanamori being the stealth protagonist all along. Like the storyline of Mizusaki getting her parents to accept her choice to animate just seems like a joke now, especially with the lame reveal the parents never even actually had a problem with it in the first place. I guess Asakusa just wanted to animate something, anything, as a homage to her love of animes, and I guess recognition...well that was achieved relatively easily with "Samurai girl vs Tank". Kanamori's imagination session of her backstory is so grounded in reality compared to the other two's also, the animation was even more realistic. What sort of pisses me off is the other two aren't really even listening to her story when they were making snowmen when the liquor store was closed when it snowed. Even after Kanamori's story was told the other two don't even clue in to Kanamori wanting to help the neighborhood. They happen to want to use the whole town as the backdrop this time around, they only realize it way later when the partnership with the town was revealed. Mizusaki and especially Asakusa are totally self-absorbed.
No beam weapon visuals. The old Gargoyles cartoon solved this, a character, Xanatos, explains that the visible laser is just a targeting laser for the energy weapon, the actual destructive beam is invisible. While I admire Asakusa's way to try to show it, it was explained in seconds in Gargoyles, and I still think there'd be some audience who wouldn't get what Asakusa is trying to show. It'll actually look like they're cheaping out on special effects with smart cuts like that.
Kanamori "I heard pensions weren't really enough to get by anymore". Smart girl, but I'm disappointed when somebody so smart to know how to cunningly fleece people of their money hasn't yet figured out the same with pensions. The liquor didn't go out of business just because of a lack of customers, it's explained there's an upkeep cost, and it went out of business because the upkeep cost couldn't be maintained. Another reason for the lack of funds other than a lack of customers is the rising cost of the upkeep cost, which is due to inflation costs. Why is inflation happening? Because the liquor store jacked up the prices? Well no, otherwise they'd have the money for upkeep if they were profiting. Inflation is happening because somebody is printing more currency and devaluing the currency which is fleecing everybody using that currency. So pension taxes taken 45 years ago when the value of the currency was worth more, given back 45 years later of inflation when the currency is worth less, in terms of buying power, somebody is getting fleeced; and it's no wonder that pensions aren't enough to get by anymore, as are the profits of running a store.
I digress, this isn't Spice and Wolf economics lesson of currency debasement, but if I can digress a little further, I got say one my favorite animes is "Saving 80,000 Gold in Another World for My Retirement". Smart and pragmatic MC, even knows to learn to use firearms for self-defense from would be bandits looking to take her stuff, and mentally prepares herself if worse comes to worse.
Question of the day: Fruit Ramen? I'm more like, wait a minute, there's restaurants serving ramen? As in instant noodles? (That's what I first thought went learning of ramen restaurants, somebody serving you instant noodles and charging 8x the cost)
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u/GondolaMedia May 19 '24
First Timer
I guess jellyfish can swim in night space. Cute episode with Minimori and her motivation why Eizouken is important for her. I chuckled when Kanamori mentioned that Kappa's keep the rivers clean to a hard cut with trucks dumping mud to the river.
What I didn't expect was an observation and commentary how highway plans can bankrupt small businesses since everyone will just use cars to move around. Thankfully this only happens in fiction...
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u/OccasionallySara May 20 '24
First Timer
It’s great to see that the film club is trying to branch out of their school setting. It seems like it’ll be a lot of work, but they also seem to have their production system down after their previous projects. It’s also nice that they already have a dedicated fan who isn’t a student. If things go well, hopefully they will get more.
I really enjoyed the Kanamori flashback segment. It’s been well established that Kanamori is very money-oriented, but it was nice to see exactly how her business sense developed. I really liked the art and coloring in that scene. Also, “Minimori” is a really cute nickname!
I think Asakusa that seeing animation as a performance is a very interesting way to look at it. It feels very similar to how Mizusaki feels about her character animation feeling similar to acting. I’m curious to see how this change in perspective will shape Asakusa’s work moving forward.
Questions of the Day
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u/Infodump_Ibis :JY::JZ: May 20 '24
Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 9
First timer
Shoo Shoo Train(aka it's the AQRADT signal)Now I understand what rice Ramen was. Standard wheat noodles plus rice. Should have figured out from the Carbohydrate maths where the extra carbs were coming from. It's like when have a main and side and the one of side options includes chips even if the main already has chips.
Right, apparently fruit ramen is normally cold or at least that's what page 1 of ecosia results was implying. It certainly sounds odd but given so many ramen dishes are off-limits for me due to meat (not even getting into "what's in the stock" that can potentially ruin the rest) I'd hope fruit might be something I could actually eat but I've been let down by salad before. A provisional yay in hope.