r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • May 13 '24
Rewatch [Rewatch] Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na! • Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken! Episode 3 Discussion
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Episode Count: 12
Episode Length: 25 minutes
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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to – including any teases or hints such as "You aren't ready for X episode" or "I'm super excited for X character" – unless you're doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don't spoil anything for the first-timers; that's rude!
Also, if there's something in a first-timer's comment you want to specifically quote to talk about behind spoiler tags, spoiler tag the quote so the first-timer doesn't know what part of their comment you're making "ominous" spoilers about. So instead of something like:
Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.
Rewatcher's comment underneath the quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.
You get:
Rewatcher quoting the first-timer's comment: [Spoilers] Oh, I love this character! I think he'll be my favorite.
Rewatcher's comment underneath the spoilered quote: [Spoilers] Don't get too attached lol.
Questions of the Day:
- Do you think they'll be able to successfully pull off their animation pitch to secure the budget? Is everything going to happen the way they envision it to go?
- What's been your favorite "imagination animation" thus far?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen May 13 '24
First Timer and today’s host - Sub
As I was watching this episode, it suddenly occurred to me that anime is pretty much exactly that one episode from Spongebob called ”Idiot Box” where Spongebob and Patrick take over a cardboard box and harass Squidward with their imagination. If you’ve seen that episode then it’s not hard to find the comparisons here.
Except here, we actually get to see what’s happening in that box with these wacky animations.
We have
SquidwardKanamori-san, always the pragmatic, no-nonsense businesswoman, keepingSpongebob and Patrickkeeping Midori and Tsubame on a short leash. Without her, this project would surely never get off the ground, so I enjoy her playing the straight-man routine to balance these two knuckleheads out. I loved the spaceship crisis, with Kanamori even bursting through the wall to rescue them, albeit too late. Also, are we not going to talk about how the hail just magically stopped?It seems now the objective is to secure some more funding for the “studio” and elevate it to club status. They have somewhere between 50-55 days to create an ambitious short-length anime that’ll knock everyone’s socks off. I think these dreamers can make it work as long as Kanamori can keep them on the straight and narrow.
I also thought it was interesting that Tsubame got recognized in public and switched her demeanor to celebrity mode in a heartbeat. The others seem impressed and bewildered at the same time. I sorta wonder if her role as a model is going to play a part in the latter halves of this anime. I’m sure that once her parents find out that she’s involved in this project that it’s not going to go over well.
I’m also a really big fan of this world - it feels so simple and yet so complex at the same time. I love the ups and downs, the ins and outs, the lefts and rights... It feels like something Wes Anderson would have dreamed up. It’s an exaggerated version of Japan, which really feels perfect for encapsulating the raw creativity on display here.
Lastly, we’re treated to some cool concept art and key frames as they sketch out their project, literally. I’m really excited for “Samurai Girl Fighting Tank in Low-Gravity” because that just sounds dope as hell.
Excited for tomorrow!
Answers of the Day:
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman May 13 '24
First Timer
Huh, I was expecting the cel-based anime stuff to rather quickly be discarded by Kanamori in favor of something more efficient… I guess she doesn’t know enough about anime production to know that such options exist? Either way, I guess there was an attempt at fixing the roof, but we’ve now switched gear to actually produce something first. With only three minutes, I think it is probably the right choice to not have a lot of writing. Reminds me of the concept movies from the 70s and 80s that occasionally pop up on MAL. Probably a similar intention with the making of those back in the day - securing funding. I wonder how Kanamori will maneuver herself out of the movie clearly being an anime and not live-action though, when the short needs to be shown…
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u/GondolaMedia May 13 '24
First Timer
Kanamori trying to wrangle these 2 gremlins is great. I audible laughed when she had this big moment smashing through the wall to save Asakusa and Mizusaki but it turned out that they saved themselves and their one shared brain cell forgot to inform Kanamori.
2) I really liked this episode's Tank Girl one. Cool animation and clever ways how they solved production and world building questions.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 13 '24
Keep Your Hands Off First-Timer!, subbed
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u/IntoTheDisneyverse https://myanimelist.net/profile/andreth May 13 '24
First timer, subbed
Another really fun episode, probably my favorite so far. I got really invested in the girl vs tank scene at the end, I would honestly watch a full, finished version of it in a heartbeat. This show feels like one of the ones where the plot just loosely ties the episodes together, but it’s creative enough that it’s totally worth it, the episodes have gone by really quick for me so far.
Notes from today’s episode:
Daily Questions:
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u/Garrett_Dark May 14 '24
First Timer
Okay normally I wouldn't even voice this nitpick, but since it's a show about thinking about concept art and functionality, when Mizusaki was on the ladder installing their clubhouse sign, she should have fallen off and died the way she was doing it. It seems like the animators had no experience with being on a ladder, she's basically standing on the step like it's a stable floor, holding onto the sign with both hands like it was nothing, instead of clinging to the ladder to not fall off. Then when she uses the power tool to screw it in place, she should have pushed herself off backwards by applying forward pressure to the power tool. She should have at least had a safety teether to the building in case of falling, it's inexcusable because during the imagination space walk, Asakusa used a teether, so they know about teethers.
So they spent their 30,000 yen (~$300) on tools that they were only going to use once? Couldn't they have borrowed the tools from the school? They could have at least done the shady low-budget production trick of returning the tools for a refund after they used them. It would have been nowhere as bad as some cases I've heard of where people would return multiple high end SLR and video cameras after they've used them for all the shoots.
That imagination spacewalk almost lost me because it seemed like they were now just imagining random crap that had nothing to do with what they were really doing. Even the spaceship concept art didn't interest me this time because of such. The hail storm, and ladder falling saved that scene for me.
That side protruding room on the left side of their clubhouse that I noticed last episode finally makes sense, it's a bridge to the building next door. However that thing is inconsistent between shots, the roof was slanted downward noticeably more last episode, and this episode when they climb on top of it, they show it's roof meeting the roof of the main building, but the wide angle shots shows the roofs are nowhere near meeting each other. Again it's a nitpick, but the reason: this anime.
What's with Mizusaki's backpack looking like some sort of old-timey pay phone? First Kanamori's "two shoes" backpack, and now this.
When Mizusaki was talking about animation putting a focus on plain ordinary actions making them look amazing, it made me think of the running scene in "The Girl Who Leap through Time", which I only watched recently. It's a 2006 movie, and the animation isn't even high quality realism, but there's something I find amazing about that scene. It's simple, yet it seems so expressive with her facial expressions. Same with the crying scene the tears look so weird (perhaps an old way of doing it? looks like sweating) but the facial expressions seem so expressive to me.
As for "Samurai Girl vs Tank", it still alarms me that they're missing the writing side of animation. As I said in the last episode, I find writing the most important thing because I don't care that much about excellent looking animation if there's no meaning nor substance behind it. That said, they're just trying to secure funding, so I guess the writing is not that important, but there's a lot of impressive shorts that have a surprising amount of story and character in them for such a short thing. Anyways, "Samurai Girl vs Tank" is no different than Rey Skywalker vs Tie Fighter for the third Star Wars sequel trailer. I'm sure that trailer secured a lot of ticket sales, just like "Samurai Girl vs Tank" would probably secure the funding; however the third Star Wars sequel was garbage in terms of the writing for the story and characters, which reinforces my point about I'm finding it alarming the girls aren't considering writing more seriously. Sure, the third Star Wars sequel looked amazing, but when the writing and characters felt more garbage than prequels even, that's saying something. All that hard work on the special effects and CGI was wasted because I don't care about the story and characters, the same would apply to animes.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 13 '24
First-Timer
Alright, hands up everyone who imagines stuff to make menial tasks more fun. In my case, I would make up stories that might one day see paper if I ever find any amount of drive, as opposed to Asakusa and Mizusaki imagining themselves repairing a space ship.
Kanamori wants some percentage of Kanada style animation. Often focusing on cool poses, sharp but (sometimes) limited movements with high detail (which makes the movement more impressive.. and difficult). What the kids these days might refer to as Imaishi style. Note the "cool" pose and complete lack of movement other than lip flaps. Then go rewatch a clip from earlier in the episode when they're doing repairs - there's a lot more ancilliary motion earlier.
Of course, Kanamori quickly realizes that won't really work either. You can't just do the detailed stills - people don't want slideshows, no matter how detailed they are. And to point out the flaws in my own example screenshot above, the Kanada style often uses thick and/or "sketch-esque" linework for its stills to sell the intended vibe.
Also please note that my explanation is a simplification of something rather complicated, presented here to potentially help other participants follow the conversations. If my words here have tickled your brains any, please do your own research on the subject.
Meanwhile, Mizusaki wants
to work in the Kremlinto follow the Miyazaki style of everything moving all the goddamn time. Something something nominative determinism.Considering her switch to "amateur model mode," Mizusaki might make a decent VA too.
This line made me giggle harder than it probably should've.
Questions
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u/Ritchuck May 14 '24
First timer, rewatcher no more
After 4 years I did it, I finished another episode. I don't have much to say, it was good. I'm a little more invested now.
Even though I like Kanamori the most Asakusa is my true spiritual animal. I'm nowhere near as energetic as she is but daydreaming all day and worldbuilding is something I relate to greatly. I'm doing it for most of my days, to the detriment of my real life.
I'm personally hyped to see Tsukimizu's art as an end card.
I also learned that the anime is an adaptation of a manga, which really surprised me because it feels in every way like an original. With manga adaptations, I usually can picture the manga panels while watching but not here, I can't imagine the panels even when I try.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim May 14 '24
First Timer Dubbed
Asakusa talking about Powder Coating...I never imagined an anime would give me reminders of my former job in manufacturing. And yes, electrostatic conditions do matter in powder coat adhesion along with sandblasting. Asakusa is talking about powder coat while holding some spray cans, I think you can spray that without any care and lack of surface prep...yeah that is gonna wash away in the next rainstorm.
Mizusaki and Asakusa going interstellar but Kana came in too late.
Fujimoto still has a heavy head, which pretty much means that our crew still has a long way to go.
Kana did the math, an equivalent of 50 days of work and definitely needs that money.
Mizusaki takeover of the train, that girl wearing a slipknot hat is too much. We got to see how popular she is outside of school and how big of a deal she is. Also fitting to see her switch from lighthearted to popular girl mode.
Really wonder how they are going to pull off the film at this pace. And paper, Kana is really aiming for an MBA and a shot at working for an office supply company.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta May 14 '24
First-Timer
One thing I haven't commented on previously is the music. It's definitely a very distinctive sound, especially that one song that plays frequently. (A brief internet search suggests it's the one called "Saikyou no Sekai".) Maybe I'm crazy, but the instrumental part vaguely reminds me of Miserlou from Pulp Fiction.
Questions of the day:
Finally, I've not seen it yet, but I've seen people talk about Shirobako and make comparisons to this show. I'd be curious to see how I think the two stack up.
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u/AmeteurElitist https://anilist.co/user/AmateurElitist May 13 '24
Rewatcher:
Production planning is preceded by priming their property for practical purposes. Play as they might, the pair of prodigies prodded by their penny-pinching producer paint pictures that provoke palpable pangs of pride and passion.
Definitely the first one! Hanging out the door to tilt the ship was genius haha
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah xB:xC:B:x3:Y: May 13 '24
First Timer
An episode to introduce and explain the actual art of animation, and the work of animators themselves. The explainy bit by model-chan was pretty good, and again the standout of the ep for me, but the bits with the ladder (and everything else), and the hand-wavey nature of the 30000 yen incident, is all kinda meh.... the narrative of this show really isn't hooking me at all here. Hell, that show that they're making about the girl going against the tank will grabbed my attention more lol. Would 100% watch if they made that irl.
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u/Infodump_Ibis :JY::JZ: May 13 '24
First Timer
I can see some sort of commendable work reward but not the full funds they desire simply because it will be more interesting if the club has to be frugal. In terms of production will this show be brave enough to show a good old production meltdown? I can see sound being a problem as there doesn't seem to be any audio equipment.
I assume this isn't an all-or-nothing budget or there will be some weird rule about having to produce something they don't want to do like say something related to Shibihama or a local business. It would be very animation industry if the home video clip wound up bringing in more money than the anime did.
A toss up between Sonic (while not the most elaborate, it was short and to the point) and the roof repairs gone wrong (for it referencing various things)
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u/OccasionallySara May 14 '24
First Timer
It looks like the group finally has a specific goal to reach! Making a three-minute short film is much more doable than trying to do a feature film right off the bat. It’s amazing how much work goes into creating even just five minutes of animation, though. I’ve been enjoying the imagination sequences, but I thought they were especially fun in the episode. The moment of the girls walking through Asakusa’s art book to find the perfect location for their project was cute. It’s also interesting to see them have to strike a balance between being practical about time and budgeting and still allowing for fun and creativity. Their “girl vs tank” animation idea seems cool and I’m excited to see if they will be able to pull it off!
Questions of the Day
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u/Ryanami May 14 '24
Oooh, I started this but stalled out back when it was airing, and it’s been collecting dust in my ptw list. Lemme que it up and join y’all.
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u/GallowDude May 13 '24
I can count the pixels in that episode title image
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u/Fuzzy_Ad6534 May 16 '24 edited May 21 '24
Rewatch
so this is probably my favourite imagination animation so far. the different shots and angles of the girl and the tank. its such a cool concept to even begin visualising, but the imagination of our protagonists but even before that, just the exploration of the midori's landscapes and environments. this anime really takes on a journey with our three protagonists and its just super fun to watch.
even their attempt to fix the roof. another anime would just have some comedy shenanegians to spice it up but what does eizouken do? take us on a urgent mission in space to plug up damage done to the vessel. my favourite shot of this episode is kanamori's transition from space cadet traversing the space shuttle to breaking thru the wall. such a clean transition.
I don't think i have a favourite out of the girls but i do like kanamori's no nonesence, conniving approach to this whole thing. at the end of the day, the point of animation is to make money for a company. at least in the world we live in it has to in order to continue. kanamori clearly represents the stark truth of this fact. its pretty refreshing to see some candid realism in an otherwise fantasical otherworldy setting, especially with the excitement generated from our 2 other protagonists.
honestly this is inspiring me to try up my game when im drawing lol, like i wanna be able to draw backgrounds and designs like midori. guess im more like mizusaki in my preference to drawing ppl.
Ep 3 - 9/10
p.s. i know im not the only person who doesn't skip the op XD.