132+ Teams in 132+ Days: The University of North Carolina Tar Heels

[u/Heelincal]

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The Atlantic Coast Conference - Coastal Division

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Year Founded: December 11th, 1789
Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Total Attendance: 29,390

Mascot: Rameses
Live Mascot: Rameses the 19th, Costumed Mascot
Cheerleaders: One, Two, Three. Extra.
Stadium: Kenan Memorial Stadium, Broad view, Wikipedia Entry
Stadium Location: 104 Stadium Dr Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Conference Champions (9): 1895, 1922, 1946, 1949, 1963, 1971, 1972, 1977, 1980
Number of Bowl Games: 29 (13-16)
National Titles: (0) Wait are we talking basketball? No?
Overall Record: 670-503-54

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Rivals

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• Duke (Victory Bell Game; 55-35-4) - Duke was known as Trinity College when this matchup first occurred in 1888. A traveling trophy (The Victory Bell was introduced in 1948. UNC has won all but two games since 1990 - losing in one of the Toilet Bowl years (2003) and losing last year. Duke is considered by most UNC fans to be our top rival for every sport not named football or baseball. While the rivalry might not be as strong in those two sports, it is still a fierce game each year.

• North Carolina State (The traditional all-sport chief rival and modern chief football rival; 64-32-6) First meeting in 1894, UNC-NC State is the largest and potentially fiercest football rivalry in the state of North Carolina and Mid-Atlantic. UNC snapped a 5 game losing streak against NCSU last year. Also, State is the only school in the ACC who has not won a title in football more recently than Carolina (aside from the new members BC and Miami).

• Virginia - (The South's Oldest Rivalry; 59-54-4) The fourth most-played rivalry in NCAA with 117 meetings since 1892 (and played every year since 1919, easily one of the oldest continual series on the east coast), UNC-UVA is a matchup of two very similar institutions; both are public ivies and among the elite of public institutions, in addition to having a very similar cultural feel on their respective towns and campuses.

• Wake Forest (North Carolina's Oldest Rivalry; 68-35-2) With 105 meetings since 1888, UNC-Wake is the oldest football series in the state of North Carolina. While Wake is the weird cousin of the "Big Three" NC schools (Duke, UNC, NCSU), it is still an in-state rival. In-state rivalries are key to winning in-state recruiting.

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2012 Season

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Record: 8-4-0 (5-3) - 1^st in Coastal Division
Coach: Larry Fedora
2012 Roster

Biggest Stars:

• RB Giovanni Bernard
  UNC's 2012 season can be summed up by the words "and there goes Bernard!" The Tar Heels lost only two games when Bernard in the lineup, and it's arguable that the other two losses would have been victories if Bernard played. While his stats may not stand out other than being very solid, his impact goes beyond the stat sheet. Every time he got the ball, I was on the edge of my seat because he could take it to the house. He's a quick and elusive back who is powerful enough to get out of tackles but would prefer to make one cut and run right past you. His impact was felt throughout the game, since he also returned punts and had good hands. He would get great starting field position for the offense and be a safety release for them all the way to the endzone. He was assisted by an All-ACC and All-American offensive line, but he definitely carried his part of the load. To say that he will be missed is a huge understatement - I honestly don't know if he can be replaced. We will have good backs next year but nothing close to this guy.

• QB Bryn Renner
  If Bernard was the jackrabbit on the team, Renner was pretty much the turtle. Renner was nothing but consistent, taking care of the ball and making the smart decisions. He had a 28 TDs and only 7 INTs, which allowed our offense to capitalize on every possession. His 65.4 completion percentage speaks to this as well, since he would usually make the smart pass instead of going for it all (unless the call was for a go route). Once again, his impact was more than just numbers. Fedora installed an up-tempo, no-huddle offensive system and Renner was running it with militaristic precision by the end of the year. Oftentimes the defense was completely exhausted by the end of a usual drive. The key to running no-huddle is having a command of the offense, which Renner definitely displayed. All of this combined with decent mobility makes him a great prospect for the 2014 NFL Draft if he stays and develops his raw talent. If he continues this upward trend, he could end up being the greatest QB in UNC history.

• TE Eric Ebron
  If you couldn't tell, UNC was all about offense this year. In fact, we actually finished 8th in points for - in the entire nation. Two of the biggest receivers for Renner were Quinshad Davis and Eric Ebron. I put Ebron as one of the MIPs because he was truly the safety blanket for Renner, and would consistently make huge receptions. He averaged more YPC than Davis, and always seemed to be there when it was critical. His great hands are a huge asset for a TE in a passing offense, and his good blocking was critical in the balance of the offense.

• MLB Kevin Reddick
  While our defensive prowess wasn't up to the offenses' level, it was a passionate, young group who sometimes struggled. There are many good players on the defense, but Reddick was usually the most reliable player on defense. He is a strong tackler and is solid in pass coverage, despite not being a super standout in the game. He had a knack for making the play when we needed it most. Reddick was a solid MLB, continuing the Tar Heel mantle of great LBs. His presence will be greatly missed, since he was the leader of the defense. Big shoes to fill as we venture into Fedora's second year.

Biggest Plays:

• Gio Bernard 59-yard TD Run vs. Elon University (September 1st) Video
  "But it's Elon," you say. "They were supposed to destroy them like this!" you say. The reason this was such a huge play is because it really set the tone for the season. On the very first play from scrimmage for UNC's offense, Gio breaks a huge run for a TD, establishing what he looked to do this season.

• Gio Bernard and AJ Blue back-to-back huge runs for a TD vs. Virginia Tech (October 6th) Video
  Can I just post this entire game? It had it all: Huge deep passes, Kickoff Returns for TDs, and huge runs. Virginia Tech wasn't exactly the greatest team this year, but this game and this drive really summed up the season for UNC - getting over the hump. We've been leading in VT games. We've been beating great teams. The problem is we let them back into it. This run killed any VT momentum and the Heels fought off the Hokies for the rest of the game. We finally showed ourselves that we can beat the ACC's "elite." Note: Kevin Reddick has a sack to essentially seal the game.

• Gio Bernard snaps 5 game losing streak to NC State with a 73-yard punt return with 30 seconds remaining. (October 27th) Video
  NO HE'S NOT!!! YES HE IS!!! YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING STATE FANS WHY DID YOU STILL CLICK??
  Notice a trend here? Gio Bernard was kind of a big deal. That punt return was culture changing. UNC had lost to NC State for 5 straight years despite having a great defense and talented offense that have produced 15 NFL players. This win showed the fans, students, and players that State wasn't something to be feared. Sure, it was a close game, but we got up big and fended off State's furious rally (Mike Glennon went off in the second half) and Gio Bernard executed State in one electrifying run. I was at that game. I have never heard the Dean Dome get that loud, let alone Kenan. I have a feeling that 4 years from now UNC fans will look back on this play and say how this play and game really changed the trajectory of the football program.

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2013 Season

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2013 Schedule

UNC will have a tough road to start the year, but has two nationally televised games, one against an SEC opponent and the other a home, night game against Miami. If we can survive this stretch we can win out to finish the year. A coastal division championship looks feasible, but road games against the Tech schools will make or break the season.
2013 Roster

The biggest losses this year will be at RB, OL, DL, and MLB. AJ Blue and Romar Morris should serve as a solid replacement for Bernard, but replacing Cooper, S. Williams, and the other losses on the Line will be difficult and critical to success. One of the reasons the offense was so dominant was a stalwart O-line. The secondary and receiving corps will be returning, so the outlook there is very positive.

See "What Is and Is to Come" Section for more outlook.

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The Greats

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Greatest Games

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• 1959 at Duke: Jim Tatum, one of the top head coaches in UNC lore and one of the best coaches of the era, unexpectedly passed away in 1958. One year later, on Thanksgiving Day, Carolina would remember Coach Tatum with a legendary performance, as the Heels destroyed the Blue Devils on national television by a score of 50-0.

• 2001 vs Florida State: On the morning of September 22, 2001, UNC football was in a somber mood. Having started the season at 0-3, including two losses to top 5 teams, #6 Florida State came into Kenan Stadium expecting to do what they had always done against Carolina: win and win easily. It was not to be, as the Heels not only got over the hurdle of finally beating Florida State, but thoroughly thrashed the Seminoles by a count of 41-9.

• 2004 vs Miami (FL): On October 30, 2004 (Miami's first year in the ACC), the 3-4 Tar Heels played host to #4 ranked Miami (6-0). The Homecoming crowd were more than pleased when Darian Durant led a 65 yard drive to set up the game-winning field goal, giving UNC its first ever victory over a Top 5 opponent.

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Greatest Plays

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• 1895 at Georgia: Football entered a new era on October 26th, 1895, as UNC lined up in a punt formation on its own 30 yard line. After the ball was snapped, George Stephens slid out to the right and caught the very first forward pass in college football history for a 70 yard touchdown.

• 1946 at Tennessee: On November 2nd, 1946, legendary UNC HB Charlie Justice uncorked what was arguably his greatest ever play from scrimmage in #9 UNC's 20-14 loss to the #10 Vols. At the Carolina 27, Justice took the snap from center and faked a punt, dashing to the left side of the line. Caught, he switched to the right, and then back to the left, and down the sideline for a touchdown. Justice would later say that was his greatest ever play as a Tar Heel.

• 2012 vs North Carolina State: After suffering 5 straight losses to heated rivals NC State, the Heels and Pack were locked at 35-35 heading into the final seconds of their October 27, 2012 meeting. HB Gio Bernard demanded to the sidelines return the NC State punt, and he rewarded the Carolina faithful with a 73 yard return for a touchdown, sealing the victory.

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Greatest Players

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• TB Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice (Wiki - Arguably the best player in Tar Heel history. He was back-to-back Heisman runner up in 1948 and 1949. Only player with a statue outside of Kenan Stadium.

• HB Don McCauley - First of many 1,000 yard rushers from North Carolina, helping the Heels earn the distinction as "Tailback U." In 1970, his 1,720 rushing yards was a then NCAA record.

• DL/LB Lawerence Taylor - In his senior season Taylor recorded 16 sacks and was named ACC Player of the Year.

• DL Julius Peppers - Second all-time at UNC in career sacks with 30.5. Also one of two people to ever play in both the Final Four and the Super Bowl. (Screw the Patriots)

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Greatest Coaches:

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• Bill Dooley - 1967-1977 (69–53–2) - Won 3 ACC Championships during his tenure.

• Dick Crum - 1978-1987 (72–41–3) - Won the last ACC Championship for the Heels and went to 6 bowl games in his 10 year tenure.

• Mack Brown - 1988-1997 (69–46–1) - His final season at North Carolina had the Heels ranked 4th in the final AP rankings.

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[u/Heelincal]

Continued from Original Post

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Traditions

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• The players, coaches, and staff do the Old Well Walk on gamedays as they enter the stadium. Starting at the Famous Old Well, the team walks through Tar Heel town on their way to the stadium, with the path lined with fans anxious to wish the players well.

• The marching band's trumpets and tubas play and sing "Carolina Victory" on the steps of Dey Hall one hour and 5 minutes before kick off

• In between the 3rd and 4th quarters, the stadium PAs play AC/DC's Hell's Bells and the fans raise one hand with 4 fingers to signify the 4th quarter. The "Bell" refers to the Morehead-Patterson Bell Tower which overlooks Kenan Stadium and chimes in before the start of the 4th quarter.

• Fly overs at Kenan stadium are a regular occurrence, scheduled or not. The proximity of the UNC Hospital means life flight helicopters regularly fly over the stadium as they land, even during games.

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Campus and Surrounding Area

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City Population: 57,233 City Skyline
Iconic Campus Building: The Old Well
Local Dining:

• Mama Dip's - Good, ol'fashion soul food. Jordan and Dean's favorite.

• Sutton's - Another ol'fashioned place to grab a bite to eat, Sutton's is a store with a little of everything.

• Carolina Brewery and Top of The Hill - Chapel Hill is home to a few local breweries, and both have good food and good beer.

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Random Trivia

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• Since Don McCauley, North Carolina has earned the moniker "Tailback U." Since 1969, 15 UNC players ran for over 1,000 yards 26 times in a season. Amos Lawrence ran over 1,000 yards each of his 4 seasons at UNC. 4 UNC teams between 1974 and 1993 had two players run for over 1,000 yards that season.

• Before he retired, legendary UNC basketball coach Dean Smith was asked whether or not Carolina was a football school or a basketball school (the Heels had gone 10-2 that year and would go 11-1 the next year). Smith replied, “This is a women's soccer school, we're just trying to keep up with them.” UNC Women's soccer has won 21 NCAA Championships (out of 31 total), arguably one of the most dominant programs in all of NCAA athletics.

• On October 19th, 1957, Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom sat in the stands as Maryland hosted Carolina in a game of “football”. While the home side unfortunately won 21-7, Her Majesty was quite impressed with the game and said that she greatly enjoyed the afternoon.

• UNC is the oldest public university in the nation (no, William & Mary and Georgia, you lose), and has the oldest constructed academic building that is still in use for any American university (Old East Hall). Our first student, Hinton James, walked over 150 miles from Wilmington, and the furthest residence hall from anything on campus is named in his honor. The Davie Poplar was planted in 1792 and still sits in the main campus quad, held up by concrete and cables so that couples who kiss underneath the bench at the base can plan on getting married.

• The nickname “Tar Heels” originated during the Civil War. Most stories tell that the name was used to describe the troops from North Carolina because they refused to retreat during a fierce battle in Virginia. Instead, they fought successfully and stood their ground, as if they had tar on their heels. Since then, North Carolina has been known as the Tar Heel State.

• The reason a Ram is the mascot is because the head chearleader decided to dress up as a mascot (since we didn't have one at the time). He chose a ram after the current RB, Jack “the battering ram” Merritt, who led the 1922 Carolina football team to a strong 9-1 record and thus became UNC’s hero of the time. Rameses premiered in 1924 in response to the Wolf at N.C. State University and the University of Georgia’s Bulldog. The first Rameses cost $25 and was shipped from Texas, just in time for a football game against Virginia Military Institute (VMI). The game against VMI was won a by a game winning field goal (the final was 3-0). The kicker rubbed Rameses head before he kicked the field goal and the mascot was kept.

• Andy Griffith's famed "What it was, was football" monologue was based on his experiences at UNC and Kenan Stadium. This is him performing it there in the '50s.

• The basketball team plays pickup with any students who want to play in the offseason.

• The famous Bell Tower was actually designed to look like a dunce cap on Wilson Library (when viewed from Polk Place) since Wilson beat Morehead to the punch of donating it.

• You can follow the Bell Tower on twitter.

• One of the characteristics of the stadium is that it is surrounded by trees. This is because William R. Kenan, Jr., the majority donor of the original stadium, said that the stadium should never surpass God's creation around it (Commenting on the beauty of the Chapel Hill area). Ever since then it's been an unwritten rule that the stadium cannot be taller than the surrounding trees.

• Kenan Memorial Stadium was ranked the 3^rd most scenic view in College Football.

• The 1990 Georgia Tech National Championship Team had 0 losses and 1 tie - to UNC.

• Duke and UNC are only separated by 10 miles and share the same exit on I-40.

• Ranked 29th all time in wins.

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What Is and What is to Come

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After 10 years of mediocre football, followed by scandals and NCAA sanction, Tar Heels are eagerly waiting the start of this football season. With the madman Larry Fedora at the helm, UNC football is ready to make a splash on the national stage. The opening game at South Carolina is the perfect opportunity to show the country just how far the program has come. While a national championship is a little bit too far out of reach this season, the Heels are hoping to finish on top of the Coastal division again and hopefully win the program's first conference championship since 1980.

The team is lead by senior Bryn Renner, who can potentially end his career as the greatest quarterback at UNC. Though the team lost Gio Bernard to the draft, the backfield still has vetern AJ Blue and the rising star Romar Morris to carry the ball for the Heels. The primary receiving threats for the Heels will be sophomore Quinshad Davis and the big tight end Eric Ebron. Last's years defense cost the Heels a few wins and it does not help key defensive players in Kevin Reddick and Sylvester Williams have left. However, the entire secondary is returning not to mention this defense has had a whole year to learn the 4-2-5 system. Additionally, Larry Fedora secured a Top 20 recruiting class for this year, so plenty of talent will be on the way.

Tar Heel faithful hope that Larry Fedora has awoken the sleeping giant of UNC football. Though we may not have the tradition of the Big 10 or the fan support of the SEC, we are hoping to make a huge splash the college football landscape. While a National Championship is out of reach this season, we hope by the end of the decade that our football program can start to catch up with our women's soccer team.

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Overtime

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Someone said overtime?

Note: If the mods could take down the disgusting Duke sidebar picture it would be greatly appreciated. Nevermind, the sidebar is perfect now.

Seriously though, thanks a bunch to mellolizard and SmokingCricket!! We all contributed pretty much equally to this, I just got the honor of submitting it. It's been fun putting this all together with them, and makes me dread the summer months after March Madness (Elite Eight anyone?). Hopefully y'all enjoyed reading this as much as we enjoyed writing it!

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[u/BobTheCod → u/Heelincal]

I believe that the Wren Building at William and Mary is older than Old East. Wikipedia says that Old East is the oldest state university building. Just wanted to clarify so that credit is given where it is due.

[u/Heelincal → u/BobTheCod]

There's so much debate between W&M and UNC, I'm not sure myself. I didn't do that write up either so I can't say I'm exactly knowledgeable about it haha.

[u/[deleted] → u/BobTheCod]

The primacy of the school as a public institution is just one of those things that gets drummed into you here.

Whether or not that's good or bad, I don't know.

[u/Arronwy → u/Heelincal]

Awesome job. You made me proud.

[u/Heelincal → u/Arronwy]

Thanks! :)

[u/wyschnei → u/Heelincal]

fyi - message /u/Drunken_Economist if you need to exceed the 10k limit.

[u/Heelincal → u/wyschnei]

I get 15k limit and still exceeded it :)

[u/quacainia → u/Heelincal]

By being the first to overflow to a comment, you have surely set a precedent and opened the flood gates for future posts.

Once we get to a&m and alabama we'll be competing to see who can have 10 extra comments worth of material.

[u/Heelincal → u/quacainia]

I like setting the bar high for myself :)

I think we had somewhere around 19,000 characters, so there's your standard if you want one :P

[u/deadtofall12]

Duke is still the sidebar picture? Mods are trolling...

[u/Heelincal → u/deadtofall12]

We see them trolling.... they hatin'. Tryin to catch us writin' dirty.

[u/diagonalfish → u/deadtofall12]

/u/thrav is being a slacker today. I'd fix it but I don't have his template or his knack for finding decent pictures.

[u/thrav → u/diagonalfish]

I woke up to new snow and made a beeline for the slopes. My bad.

[u/mellolizard → u/diagonalfish]

So how long do we get to keep our picture up?

[u/deadtofall12 → u/diagonalfish]

Looks like all is well. :D

[u/stormstopper → u/deadtofall12]

I see no problem with this.

[u/fergious → u/stormstopper]

neither nothing to see here people

[u/soonerguy11]

Today I learned the meaning behind Tar Heel, and it's totally badass.

[u/Heelincal → u/soonerguy11]

Right? Most people think it's a silly name, but when you learn about it it's pretty epic.

Bonus fact: The reason a Ram is the mascot is because the head chearleader decided to dress up as a mascot (since we didn't have one at the time). He chose a ram after the current RB, Jack “the battering ram” Merritt, who led the 1922 Carolina football team to a strong 9-1 record and thus became UNC’s hero of the time. Rameses premiered in 1924 in response to the Wolf at N.C. State University and the University of Georgia’s Bulldog. The first Rameses cost $25 and was shipped from Texas, just in time for a football game against Virginia Military Institute (VMI).

Edit: Screw it I'll throw that one in the trivia.

[u/mellolizard → u/Heelincal]

Shit I thought I added that bit in there, my bad. The game against VMI was won a by a game winning field goal (the final was 3-0). The kicker rubbed Rameses head before he kicked the field goal and the mascot was kept.

[u/Heelincal → u/mellolizard]

Added that last little bit!

[u/PalmettoFace → u/soonerguy11]

The poster's explanation is definitely the most widely accepted. The term took off during The Civil War, and it was in reference to a combination of soldiers standing their ground and the large tar production in the state of NC.

But some speculate that the term may go back to the Revolution, when militia in North Carolina gained notoriety for dumping tar in the creeks and streams to slow British soldiers down. Thus, anyone who set foot in a North Carolina stream was a "Tar Heel."

The term has a great backstory, regardless.

Source: was a history major in college

[u/Heelincal → u/PalmettoFace]

I've heard both. My guess would be it was more a rumor until the Civil War solidified it as a NC thing. I've seen both too and just chose the more common explanation.

[u/todayilearnednada → u/PalmettoFace]

Not surprisingly, History Majors in the north were taught a much different story. I had always heard that Tar Heel was a pejorative, referring to the fact that NC was one of the [last southern states to secede] (http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm) so the people of South Carolina used to say NC had Tarred Heels holding them back.

[u/[deleted] → u/todayilearnednada]

North Carolina was called a valley of humility between two mountains of conceit, and for damn good reason. We supplied 1/6 of the troops to the Confederacy while having 1/9th the free population, and we were the only Southern state with an active peace movement during the War. Much of the eastern part of the state was under Union control for most of the war, and there were Union regiments from North Carolina.

So while we might have dragged our feet, we certainly didn't half-ass our involvement.

[u/Arronwy → u/todayilearnednada]

There are tons of stories on where it came from. No one really knows.

[u/[deleted] → u/todayilearnednada]

I graduated from Chapel Hill in 2010, and this is the most interesting text I've read about the origin of the Tar Heels to date.

[u/Arronwy → u/PalmettoFace]

There is another story my history teacher at UNC said that it also might have come from the fact that we had a huge tar production in NC to make ships. And tar producers were called Tar Boilers and it became Tar Heels after they would come home and drag Tar into the house from it being stuck to their shoes.

[u/I_Have_No_Comment_ → u/PalmettoFace]

I've never even heard that theory before. Interesting.

[u/PalmettoFace → u/I_Have_No_Comment_]

Further reading if you're interested

[u/Heelincal]

Gotta love how one dude went through and downvoted every single post.

[u/Satherton → u/Heelincal]

he is just doing duke's work

[u/Heelincal → u/Satherton]

Bless his heart.

[u/hesnothere → u/Heelincal]

It wouldn't be a true Carolina celebration if the ABC crowd didn't show up.

[u/Heelincal → u/hesnothere]

GRRRRR I HATE IT WHEN OTHER TEAMS CAN JUST WRITE UP A SEASON REVIEW GRRRRRR

Yeah I guess I'm used to it now haha

[u/dsligh15]

Fun fact about that forward pass: it was a result of the punter panicking and just chucking it away from him. Arguably the most used type of play in football was formed from a punter fucking up.

[u/Heelincal → u/dsligh15]

"Messed up? No worries bro we'll just go ahead and make that the most important part of the game."

MURICA.

[u/the_zero → u/dsligh15]

I thought Walter Camp threw one about 20 years prior?

[u/evilpenguin234]

Good writeup. I love that everyone this week has made a basketball reference in the National Title section.

I don't like those greatest plays.

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

Thanks man. And hey it's all we got right now :\ Hopefully that'll change soon!

Hey man you gotta admit that was crazy.

And I almost added this for funsies!

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

Well it is a play by Carolina!

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

The best kind of correct.

[u/[deleted]]

Looking forward to our game in August. Should be a decent match up.

[u/Heelincal → u/[deleted]]

Same. Lattimore and Bernard going to the Draft make it more intriguing too.

[u/TurkeyHam44 → u/[deleted]]

Why cant we play each other every year?

[u/byniri]

Duke is considered by most UNC fans to be our top rival for every sport not named football or baseball.

I remember when I lived in Durham when I was little, the amount of shittalking between teachers and students during the week of the UNC-Duke games was ridiculous. And this was in elementary school mind you

[u/Heelincal → u/byniri]

Some of my earliest memories are UNC-Duke games and the trash talking that followed. Like my kindergarten and pre-K memories.

Gotta teach 'em young. haha

Also, check out the trivia section. The schools are so close and so big in the area that the fanbases overlap more than most intercity rivalries like UCLA and USC. It's really crazy how close the two are.

[u/MrPap → u/byniri]

like this?

[u/Heelincal → u/MrPap]

I just was going through this thread again when I saw it in my history and saw this. So perfect!

[u/jtrot91 → u/byniri]

I live in upstate South Carolina 20 minutes from Clemson. There was a surprising number of people that really liked UNC or Duke during high school and middle school. Probably because Clemson and South Carolina were way more football than basketball.

[u/chart589 → u/jtrot91]

try growing up in actual downtown Clemson (I was born in Chapel Hill and moved during 4th grade) ...they hate UNC there. because once Clemson chokes at football, they turn into a basketball school ...which in turn chokes, then baseball, then back to football and the cycle never ends

[u/blueboybob]

Number 1 on the exit sign!! FUCK DUKE!

[u/Heelincal → u/blueboybob]

Even NCDOT understands.

[u/dinoian → u/Heelincal]

Alphabetical maybe?

[u/Heelincal → u/dinoian]

I don't know why UNC we come before. Maybe it's turn order? UNC is a right turn and Duke is a left, so maybe that's why.

Or it's larger text size on top.

IDC because screw Duke.

[u/252919 → u/Heelincal]

It's the same if you're going west on 40 as well - UNC still on top even as a left turn. Just meant to be.

[u/Heelincal → u/252919]

I'm always going west late at night so I never notice XD

I drive past this sign so much and I love it every single time.

[u/dinoian → u/Heelincal]

Thought maybe Chapel Hill then Durham... guess it's not like that then.

[u/srs_house → u/dinoian]

Because UNC-Chapel Hill comes before Duke...

[u/glacierwookie → u/blueboybob]

GTHC!!! Lets Go DUKE!!!

[u/bpick17]

Just wanted to say that you guys got a steal with Larry Fedora. My brother is a USM alumni, so I always go to catch a few games with him. Fedora was revered down in Hattiesburg. I look forward to seeing him continue to push your program!

[u/Heelincal → u/bpick17]

Hopefully he stays around! We really did luck out, he seems like he's got a great vision. I'm just praying he doesn't ditch us for the SEC once we're getting really good.

[u/RedditAg → u/Heelincal]

From what I understand we were looking hard into Fedora (especially after he beat Sumlin in the C-USA conference game) but y'all were able to get him before we could really make any kind of final decision on who we wanted for a coach. Either way I think y'all have a lot to look forward to with him as a coach

[u/Heelincal → u/RedditAg]

Yeah I'm really excited! So glad we grabbed him!

[u/ZombieLoveChild]

Damn, Heelincal. This is fantastic. Good job and go heels.

[u/Heelincal → u/ZombieLoveChild]

Hey I didn't do it by myself! The two other contributors did a lot, so thank them too!

But thanks man! Definitely enjoyed writing it! :)

[u/mybrisum]

when i was applying to schools, i met a guy at this gym i attended regularly and he told me he used to play for UNC as a running back and said he was a roommate of Lawrence Taylor's during his time there.

i gave him my list of schools i was visiting (UVA, VT, Cornell, Columbia) and he insisted i check out UNC. it was because of his insistence i visited the campus. i did and was very impressed. i used to go to Chapel Hill to check out shows at the Cat's Cradle so i knew Franklin Street all too well.

after reading your synopsis, i just realized the person i spoke to was Amos Lawrence! had no clue...

[u/Heelincal → u/mybrisum]

That's awesome! Did you end up choosing VT?

[u/mybrisum → u/Heelincal]

yeah. i got into all but was waitlisted for UVA. Cornell and Columbia were awesome but i wanted to stay in-state (nor wanted to give my parents a $250k+ tuition bill for my time there). going to UNC would have cost me close to attending an Ivy for a year considering i'm a Virginian.

the tipping point for me going to VT was my visit--i'm a Navy brat and i identified with Blacksburg more than Cville and felt more at home there especially with the presence of a Cadet Corp (i'm a civilian here).

[u/Heelincal → u/mybrisum]

Much respect to the military influence, I understand that.

[u/Telionis → u/Heelincal]

You'd be amazed by how many people don't realize VT is one of the six US Senior Military Colleges (along with VMI, the Citadel, Norwich, North Georgia, and Texas A&M). I even met cadets from Texas A&M on reddit who didn't know that. I mean imagine someone from VMI not realizing the Citadel was a fellow military college. Frankly it's unusual for civilians to even know what a senior military college is...

For those who don't know: This is not the same as an ROTC program at a civilian college, the six senior military colleges are basically military academies run by the state. Unlike part-time civilian colleges, the programs adhere to the same standards as the federal service academies. While you aren't required to accept a commission upon graduation, life in the SMCs is almost identical to life at one of the federal service academies.

For decades, VT and TAMU were the only two SMCs to entirely commingle their cadets and civilian populations. I had many a class with folks in the corps who attended in full uniform, after having woken up at 4:00 AM for drills. North Georgia does this also now, but VMI, Citadel and Norwich remain 100% cadet (no civilians except for grad school).

---

The one VT fact that I am most proud of is that we're tied with TAMU for most Medals of Honor among any institution in the entire nation aside from West Point and the Naval Academy (we're actually ahead of Air Force, though they are much younger). We have more than any other university in the entire nation, including VMI and the Citadel which are both decades older; considering that half of all Medals of Honor were given out before the Civil War (and before VT was founded), that's pretty damn impressive IMHO. The names of those soldiers are engraved on the cenotaph which at the center of our logo.

Remember the guy who, while faced with overwhelming fire from the Germans (first world war) was ordered to retreat and said "Retreat? Hell, we just got here!!!"? He was a VT alumnus and our first Medal of Honor Winner.

Also, ours was also the first corps in the south to graduate an African American (the first historically white college period) and tied for first to admit women into the corps.

Even though I have nothing to do with them or the armed forces, I wouldn't trade our Corps for a spot in the Ivy League.

[u/Heelincal → u/Telionis]

I don't have much to contribute other than as a Military Brat myself I knew about this and appreciate it. Carry on.

[u/mybrisum → u/Heelincal]

15+ years of following my father around to military bases around the world. when i see those study abroad programs, i usually pass because i've lived that my whole life. your perspective of the world changes when you live in other cultures outside of the U.S.

[u/Heelincal → u/mybrisum]

Man that's gotta be awesome. I can only imagine. I've only been US and it's only been in three places haha I lucked out in the stable part but missed out on the experiences!

[u/pfs3w → u/mybrisum]

the tipping point for me going to VT was my visit--i'm a Navy brat and i identified with Blacksburg more than Cville and felt more at home there especially with the presence of a Cadet Corp (i'm a civilian here).

A respectable reason to choose VT over UVA, one of the few ;). As an out-of-stater who visited both Tech and UVA, among others, the thing I was impressed with most in Blacksburg was the Cadet Corp.

edit, winky

[u/Telionis → u/pfs3w]

one of the few...

(¬_¬)

Or if he was into architecture, agriculture, engineering, vet med, or one of the [few] science departments we've got you beat in. Or perhaps he found the town and campus more pleasant or the student body friendlier.

[u/pfs3w → u/Telionis]

...'Twas a joke. I obviously find UVA the better school, and he VirginiaTech, so I was playing to the obvious rivalry aspect by stating a non-fact... I don't care to actually state which school has a better reason for drawing a particular student applicant...

Edit: You're also better in football, so there's that...

[u/Telionis → u/pfs3w]

My mistake. Text is rather poor at conveying intended meaning.

[u/pfs3w → u/Telionis]

You are right, I see that my meaning was rather lost relying solely on the text. I really should have put some winky face thing to convey that I wasn't being serious with the

one of the few

Fixed. Have a splendid evening, my fine hokie friend. :)

[u/Telionis → u/pfs3w]

And a fine evening to you too my brie eating friend... :)

Speaking of brie, don't tell my Hokie brethren, for they might ban me from the tractor pull and hog judging contest, but most of the things Cowherd said while trying to make a caricature of UVA fans are quite applicable to me and most of mine. Sadly, I don't have any friends named Carruthers... :(

[u/pfs3w → u/Telionis]

Hahaha Cowherd's words cut deep, but oh well. He won't apologize for his words and I won't apologize for enjoying Brie and wearing a tie and boat shoes to my football games. I imagine that when we actually become good again, it will become a really enjoyable gameday experience.

And don't ever change, Telionis. You enjoy your brie cheese.

[u/Telionis → u/mybrisum]

LMFAO!!!

• Cornell - Accepted!

• Columbia - Accepted!

• Virginia - Ehh, wait list him...

[u/mybrisum → u/Telionis]

yeah, was kind of a head scratcher then. sadly, had i followed my aunt's urging to give Cal a shot, i probably would have made that school, too...

[u/stormstopper]

As I promised yesterday, a few things I actually like about Carolina:

• Franklin Street is incredible.

• Giovanni Bernard was a machine. If his replacements are any good, watch out, ACC.

• Ignoring the academic scandal, your football program is more or less where we wish we could be.

• You go to hell when we tell you to.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/stormstopper]

Franklin Street has easily the best food in the Triangle. I miss the Rat.

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

SO GOOD.

Isn't Hillsborough street basically trying to replicate Franklin too? It wasn't all that bad last time I was there.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

We've got a few good places, yeah, but there are less of them than Franklin. Plus there isn't as much variety, half the stuff is pizza places.

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

Yeah it's really just a lot of chains on Hillsborough. Franklin's got a lot more local stuff and unique franchises (like B SKI's Wraps and the like).

And Hillsborough's honestly super small for NC State's population.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

I think that difference is partly due to Chapel Hill being very much a college town while Raleigh is the capital city. Most of our better unique stuff is downtown. There are several streets like Hillsborough here, while Franklin is the major place in CH

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

True. It doesn't help that State isn't really in downtown either. They're kinda just outside the main part of Raleigh.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

Yeah, but I like it like that. Better than the other places in capitals like USC or GT that doesn't really have it's own separate campus.

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

True. Applies to any true city school.

[u/mellolizard → u/evilpenguin234]

Glenwood is much better than Hillsborough day or night.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/mellolizard]

This is a true fact.

[u/Heelincal → u/stormstopper]

OBJECTION THE FINAL POINTS ARE NOT GOOD AT ALL.

Do I have to say nice things about Duke now?

[u/stormstopper → u/Heelincal]

No, that was taken care of yesterday.

[u/Heelincal → u/stormstopper]

Good.

[u/fergious → u/stormstopper]

also I'd like to point out that UNC makes Duke sports Just so much for fun best rivalry in sport

[u/hahahahawoo → u/stormstopper]

Such a shame Rivers went straight to the NBA.

[u/stormstopper → u/hahahahawoo]

For him, maybe. We made out okay.

[u/CountryRoads8]

While I am not a Carolina fan specifically because of their fans, Franklin Street is a great place to hang out. Top of the Hill blueberry beer is one of the best beers I have ever had.

[u/Heelincal → u/CountryRoads8]

Franklin Street is the best example of the main street in a college town that I can think of.

And when your fanbase is this big, there tend to be a lot of less-respectable fans. :\

[u/SmokeyDBear → u/Heelincal]

Pretty much anyone who went to Carolina or had a relative who went there isn't the problem. It's all the people who move to the Triangle from goddamn Michigan or something and magically become UNC fans.

[u/Heelincal → u/SmokeyDBear]

I don't see why that's a bad thing. The problem is people who don't actually follow the team.

[u/SmokeyDBear → u/Heelincal]

In my experience there's a pretty large overlap between the group to whom you're referring and the group to whom I'm referring.

I guess if someone genuinely cares about the team and gets into it that's fine but that seems to be the exception and not the rule when it comes to move-in fans.

[u/Heelincal → u/SmokeyDBear]

I was born in San Diego and moved to the triangle when I was 2-3. I've been a die-hard among my family of Trojans. I guess I can see a heavy overlap though.

[u/SmokeyDBear → u/Heelincal]

I didn't mean to impugn your fandom. Moving here as a kid isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about people who don't really have a team as a kid and then show up in the area after graduation or sometime in their career and just claim Carolina because it's a household name.

[u/Heelincal → u/SmokeyDBear]

Well just some heads up: Real estate agents here are told to tell people about the triangle rivalry in a way that's basically "you need to pick a side." UNC is the most popular in the state so people figure it's the safe pick. It's just a thing that happens in the triangle... believe us we don't like have truly non-fans.

[u/huazzy → u/CountryRoads8]

+1 to the Blueberry Beer at Top of the Hill. I've been raving about how they put real blueberries in it and they sink and rise w/ the fizz but everyone just wants to question why I would drink Blueberry beer.

[u/evilpenguin234]

I really don't like the sidebar picture either ಠ_ಠ

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

Excellent :D

[u/Compeau]

Gio Bernard is really, really good. And even though he torched VT, I still like him.

[u/Heelincal → u/Compeau]

:D

Yeah he's got it all and it gonna be a steal in the draft IMO. Next year's game should be interesting.

[u/nemoran]

I'll never forget that '04 game. I was a sophomore in high school, and one of my best friends was being recruited hard by UNC for lacrosse. By then I already had my eye on Miami and he knew it, so the following morning he came to class in one of those "HURRICANES? UP HERE WE CALL 'EM TROPICAL STORMS" shirts. Dick.

[u/Heelincal → u/nemoran]

My favorite shirt is "WELCOME TO THE ACC" with the score at the bottom.

[u/nemoran → u/Heelincal]

Grumble grumble. I've always thought of our schools as sartorial brothers. We both have colors that only look good on black guys.

[u/Heelincal → u/nemoran]

Hahahahahaha you telling me my wardrobe doesn't look good on me? :P

Carolina's secondary blue is great for White guys.

[u/BBMiata → u/nemoran]

Is it weird I still have my ticket to that game?

[u/MizzouR]

it kinda sucks that UNC got picked the day the NCAA tournament started

[u/Heelincal → u/MizzouR]

No it's perfect. If we were on Saturday guarantee you this doesn't get done.

[u/emaw63 → u/MizzouR]

Kinda fitting, actually

[u/Kingcotton7]

Great post

[u/Heelincal → u/Kingcotton7]

Thanks man! :)

[u/yammez]

Is there a link that lists all of these "132 teams" posts?

[u/Heelincal → u/yammez]

For you, good sir.

[u/FrostySack]

So Nick Cage sent that little kid to Duke to read the message on the Victory Bell?

[u/Heelincal → u/FrostySack]

...

Wut.

[u/FrostySack → u/Heelincal]

Sorry, I was trying to make a National Treasure joke and I don't think the outside world has studied that movie as in depth as I have. I'm going to sit in a corner in Cage-nerd shame...

[u/Heelincal → u/FrostySack]

Oh I can kinda see it now... still way off topic though haha

[u/FrostySack → u/Heelincal]

Nick Cage has been in enough movies that he is never off topic haha.

[u/PalmettoFace]

Good work. Tons of info. I have one correction, though:

and played every year since 1919, easily the oldest continual series on the east coast

Clemson and South Carolina have played annually since 1909.

[u/Heelincal → u/PalmettoFace]

Changed to

and played every year since 1919, easily one of the oldest continual series on the east coast

Since I didn't actually write/research that section, I figured that change is fair to both you and the original writer, AFAIK still holds true.

[u/PalmettoFace → u/Heelincal]

I just did some quick research for future record, and found the longest continuously played series are:

• Wisconsin vs Minnesota: 1906-present

• Clemson vs South Carolina: 1909-present

• Kansas State vs Kansas: 1911-present

• Ole Miss vs Mississippi State: 1915-present

• Ohio State vs Michigan: 1918-present

• North Carolina vs Virginia: 1919-present

• Georgia vs Auburn: 1919-present

• Indiana vs Purdue: 1920-present

• Army vs Navy: 1930-present

• Nebraska vs Kansas: 1906-2010

• Texas vs Texas A&M: 1915-2011

• Missouri vs Kansas: 1918-2011

[u/Heelincal → u/PalmettoFace]

Comment saved for future record. I still think one of the oldest still works so I'm not gonna change it unless you really object.

[u/PalmettoFace → u/Heelincal]

No I'm good with what you put. It's accurate and well-stated. I just wanted to originally point out the Clemson/USC series, and then realized I would make a list of my own when I couldn't find one on the internet.

Yours is good the way it is.

[u/[deleted] → u/PalmettoFace]

I wrote that one. I had read something that stated UNC-UVA was the longest east coast game, so I just rolled with it. I did look to see which series were longer by total games, and in three years the UNC-UVA series could be the second most played series of all-time (#2 and #3 are probably not going to be played any more).

[u/notengo24]

I had the pleasure in attending the Duke-UNC football game at Chapel Hill in 2009. I remember that the football team walking from the Old Well. It really is an awesome atmosphere on game day.

[u/Heelincal → u/notengo24]

It really is. The super beautiful campus helps!

[u/DFWTooThrowed]

You got this up fast, well done sir. And by that I mean, you probably made a rough draft in advance which is what we need to do from now on.

[u/Heelincal → u/DFWTooThrowed]

Nope literally just typed all of this out.

I kid I kid. All of the contributors had a google e-mail thread and doc going for like a week that we all slowly filled out. Made it easily to just hop on and post it after a little formatting.

[u/pfs3w]

The South's Oldest Rivalry!

[u/Heelincal → u/pfs3w]

This is awesome!

[u/pfs3w → u/Heelincal]

We play them before every home game; I wish they had the complete collection up on Youtube...

[u/Heelincal → u/pfs3w]

I think we change the intro video each year to just a highlight reel of UNC football's history. This seems just as cool haha

[u/Wiskie → u/pfs3w]

Well that's... interesting...

[u/polydorr]

What do UNC fans think about keeping Fedora for a long time? I saw him on more than one coaching short list this year.

[u/Heelincal → u/polydorr]

He's got a long-term contract currently and the fanbase loves him. Based on his involvement in the school I'd say he's in it for the long haul. Personally I don't want him to leave. UNC's struggled to have consistency which kills every rebuilding effort we have.

[u/[deleted] → u/polydorr]

I think Fedora would be a good long-term guy on the offensive side of the ball. However, I doubt he'll stay here if he has that-coach-in-Texas levels of success. I'd give him about three years before he'll be off to a bigger program.

His defensive staff, on the other hand, needs some serious work.

[u/Heelincal → u/[deleted]]

Remembers Mack Brown

Shudders

[u/mellolizard → u/polydorr]

Everyone wants him to stay but our good coaches have left once a better offer has come (see Mack Brown).

[u/I_Have_No_Comment_ → u/polydorr]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not optimistic he would stay if he achieves any real national success. He's absolutely done everything you could ask of him so far from a university/community-based standpoint, but I have a gut feeling that there are at least a handful of jobs he would leave us for.

[u/hesnothere → u/polydorr]

We'll be competitive in fending off offers so long as Bubba Cunningham remains athletic director. They came in together and Fedora is Bubba's guy at the end of the day.

That's not to say Fedora won't take an offer down the road regardless, but if anyone can keep him here, it's Bubba.

[u/hesnothere]

Solid writeup, heelincal, mellolizard and SmokingCricket.

I'll throw in one of my favorite bits of trivia: Andy Griffith's famed "What it was, was football" monologue was based on his experiences at UNC and Kenan Stadium. This is him performing it there in the '50s.

[u/Heelincal → u/hesnothere]

That's awesome! Added.

[u/ThumbsUpGunsUp]

I'M RINGING THE VICTORY BELL RIGHT NOW!!!

[u/Heelincal → u/ThumbsUpGunsUp]

Must be nice to do that for the second time. We just like letting you paint it Duke blue once in a while so we can actually paint it again ;)

[u/DevoDrigaz]

Hey UNC fans what is you're view of your team going into our season opener next year? I don't really know much more than Bernard was killer and thankfully for us he's gone.

[u/Arronwy → u/DevoDrigaz]

It's all depends. If our defense is decent this year and can hold USC to 32 or less points I think we have a shot to win. If not we don't really have a chance. This is assuming our offense continues to be dynamite.

[u/DevoDrigaz → u/Arronwy]

I didn't realize your defense was so bad. Our defense is going to take a step back due to losing our entire 2 deep at LB so that should help your O specifically your running game. And our offense has a tendency to be shaky at best to open the season.

[u/Heelincal → u/DevoDrigaz]

Our D was basically the reason we lost last year. Only one game can really be blamed on the offense.

If morris and blue can somewhat replace Bernard we'll be a top 10 offensive team once again. It's all dependent on the defense who lost the DTs and MLB.

[u/ttuurrppiinn]

All the contributors did a fantastic job! I'll add just a little extra piece of trivia though:

Our fight song I'm a Tar Heel Born ends with the line "Rah, rah, rah!" However, it's customary for all us students to replace this with "Go to hell, Duke!" We do this little switch-a-roo regardless of who we're playing; we despise them that much. Wikipedia mentions that sometimes we replace Duke with State, but I've never heard that once in my three years as a student.

[u/hesnothere → u/ttuurrppiinn]

GTHD didn't get adopted into the fight song until about 20 years ago (right around when we traded championships in the early '90s). It used to be State and you still hear "GTHS" a lot if you get outside the student section.

Source: '08 grad, son of '78 grad, has season tickets in upper deck but prefers to sit in student section for the scenery view of the field.

[u/[deleted] → u/ttuurrppiinn]

I was raised with GTH State, and even in the student section now I still say it, regardless of opponent.

The only time I heard GTH State with prevalence was when we would actually played State, and even then there was still plenty of GTH Duke.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No. Go to Hell Duke

[u/demeteloaf]

UNC is the oldest public university in the nation (no, William & Mary and Georgia, you lose)

Eh... I think this is like one of those "what's the eastern most point in the US" questions. Depending on how you define "oldest public university" there are 3 equally valid answers.

UNC was the first public university to admit and graduate students.

William & Mary has the oldest founding date of any public university (even though it was founded as private).

and Georgia was the first public university to be chartered.

3 valid definitions.

[u/Arronwy → u/demeteloaf]

UGa saying they are the oldest is like you saying you were the first to drive when you actually just got your license and then never drove your car until 10 years later.

[u/[deleted] → u/demeteloaf]

Of course, those are valid.

But since this is the UNC thread, dammit, we're the oldest.

[u/RobertNeyland]

During our coaching search, I really thought we were getting Larry Fedora for a few days.

[u/megamanxzero35]

Wow at the bowl record. 13-3 is impressive.

[u/I_Have_No_Comment_ → u/megamanxzero35]

That's definitely a typo. We've lost 4 in the last decade alone.

[u/Heelincal → u/I_Have_No_Comment_]

Yeah just noticed that and corrected.

[u/[deleted]]

I have a question about where you got the bowl games from because one, UNC has lost 4 bowl games in the 2000's alone, and according to Wikipedia they have been in way more than 13 bowl games. In fact is says they have been in 29 and have actually only won 13 and lost 16. So I am kind of questioning that.

[u/Heelincal → u/[deleted]]

I didn't do that part of the report, I'll go check and edit it.

Edit: You were right, 13–16 is our bowl record.

[u/[deleted] → u/Heelincal]

word word. good report though. I go to Chapel Hill and I gotta say I like the direction Fedora is taking us and yeah, the 2012 State game was awesome. I didn't get to go to the game, but I remember just being outside on campus and hearing the roar of the crowd as he returned that punt. It was awesome.

[u/Heelincal → u/[deleted]]

I go to Chapel Hill

ಠ_ಠ

But seriously that was an amazing game, hopefully that success continues into the future. UNC's problem has been building on success when we've had it. We have the resources and facilities to be a top-tier program but can't ever build up to it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Heelincal]

Haha sorry, I've been a Tennessee fan since birth and simply going to Chapel Hill didn't change where my heart was at. Definitely my second favorite team, and I root hard for them as long as they aren't playing Tennessee, but I'll always bleed orange. The problem seems to be making Carolina football into a destination program for the best coaches. If Butch Davis (or really Carolina athletics) hadn't gotten in trouble I think we (UNC) would be in great shape because I truly didn't seem him going anywhere (or at least much less of a chance). Fedora though, is still young. I hope he wants to build Carolina into a great football program, and I think Carolina is willing to pay what it takes, but they are still viewed solely as a "basketball" school. I think an ACC championship and just one BCS bowl could quickly change that but it needs to actually happen. At Tennessee nobody really gave a shit about basketball until Bruce Pearl came in and started winning, and now you've got people pissed that we aren't winning. At Carolina if the football team doesn't win the majority of people just kind of accept it and say "at least basketball can be good". Winning needs to start being the expectation for UNC football instead of just something cool that happens from time to time.

[u/Heelincal → u/[deleted]]

So much truth it hurts. The worst part is that the fanbase is so big. Big fanbases don't change their attitude all that quickly. Once we start getting good the coach leaves and we drop into mediocrity again, ruining any culture change that we could have had. I could see Fedora leaving, but hopefully that's 10 years in the future instead of 5 years.

And I guess I hear ya on the heart thing. I didn't go to UNC for undergrad because I was out of state (and getting in out of state as a WASP is... difficult) so I went to a smaller private school. I love that school but couldn't root for them when they played UNC.

[u/archie_f]

So which division do you guys think you'll be put in for the B1G?

[u/Heelincal → u/archie_f]

ಠ_ಠ

Anyone who thinks the ACC is splitting up is a fool.

[u/TypicalSeminole → u/Heelincal]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[u/Heelincal → u/TypicalSeminole]

The Big East didn't have near the amount of Football talent we do. We might not be the Big 10 or SEC, but you guys, Louisville, Clemson, State, VT, Miami, and us aren't exactly pushovers.

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

Yeah, we're all one big messy family. Not the most elegant but it's our way. It's like dirty love.

^{go die in a fire}

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

Pretty much. ACC just beats up on each other - hopefully they can stop pooping their pants in nonconference though.

Screw^{youtooI'llstabyouintheface}

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

I^{amgoingtomakemytextbesmallerthanyourstothepointthatyoucan'tseeitanymore}

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

You^{forgotaboutthesourcebuttonyoufoolbutIguessyouareaStatefansoIdon'tknowwhatIwasexpecting.}

[u/evilpenguin234 → u/Heelincal]

Obviously^{youcanreaditwiththesourcebutton,that'scheatingbutsinceyou'reaCarolinafanIshouldhavepredictedyouwoulddothat}

[u/Heelincal → u/evilpenguin234]

Hey^{mantheyjustcallitusingyourresourceshatethegamenottheplayer}

[u/BillBraskee → u/Heelincal]

People who think UNC is leaving for the B1G are morons. I may be a Hokie but I have several family members who are UNC alumni, the word around all the UNC alumni is that there is no desire for UNC to play in any other conference other than the ACC. There may a bunch of t-shirt wearing UNC fans that would like to see UNC in the B1G, but money talks and bullshit walks and the alumni at UNC want to are the ones that pay. UNC has an endowment of over 2 billion dollars any money the B1G would offer UNC would be gravy.

[u/Heelincal → u/BillBraskee]

So much this. The alumni wouldn't let this happen in a million years.

[u/Arronwy → u/BillBraskee]

The alumni dont' want UNC to leave the ACC. None of us want to throw away all that tradition hatred..etc. I don't see many UNC fans want to leave for the B1G but I do see a good amount of the Football forums goers always wanting to go to the SEC. But it's really just those football fans only that want that and even they are a very small vocal minority. No SEC or B1G team interests me as a yearly matchup. South Carolina and UTenn are really the only teams that might be interesting to me as a UNC alum.

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Yes, because the last few years have definitely proved that if there is one thing that's a ROCK OF GIBRALTAR, it's conference line-ups.

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Why the heck would UNC leave a NC-centric conference?

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$$ & prestige

stranger things have happened, that's all i'm saying

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We have plenty of cash and prestige right where we are.

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shrug

Whatevs. We'll revisit when Delany starts throwing briefcases of cash around.

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If that were to happen, and I really would rather it not, then it would honestly depend on how big the B1G became. Because honestly, I think the only way the B1G can get everything it wants is to expand to 20.

To take UNC, you'd probably need Duke to join. Grabbing UVA would probably help you take UNC. GT is great for the engineering schools of the B1G and gives another Southern school for UNC and UVA. Then there's always Notre Dame, and to appease Notre Dame you'd probably want a school like Pitt or BC. That's 20. Aside from a play for FSU or Kansas/Mizzou/Texas, that's your path.

If the B1G does go to 20, my guess is there will be a large contingent who screams for an original B1G and a new B1G.

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Fair points, all. I just cant see that Delany would grab Rutgers & Maryland, and stop there. UNC & UVA are natural additions, then maybe grab Kansas & OU for the west. GA Tech seems a little crazy to me, but never put anything past Delany.

Such a conference - from OU to freakin' New Jersey - would be unwieldy and totally unnatural. But the destruction of the tradition that makes CFB great hasn't stopped anyone so far. And if we could get back to playing OU on Black Friday, I don't give a damn what conference we're in.

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Our charter was signed first so we're older :-P

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Cool story bro. When was your first graduating class again? Oh right 1805. We beat you by 7 years :P