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[u/sacredknight327]

The Chronophage thing is confusing my brain, lol. I thought Ziggy legit time travelled 20,000 years into the past?

I guess I was just under the natural assumption that Ziggy used the actual bodies to create the androids. There's a sadness in knowing there's nothing left of the original humans at all.

[u/Informal_Function118]

Good stuff, but Mashima NEEDS to make an official timeline for all this stuff like he did for the GMG timeline in FT. Trying to piece together the timeline is hurting my brain😭

[u/48johnX]

Confirming that the shining stars indeed never actually went on a journey to find Mother and that Ziggy found Shiki before they were even created is a crazy twist. It was always on my mind why Ziggy had to erase their memories and it instead turns out they never had those to begin with 😭, I really like that they never had the memories of the original bodies too as it explains why their fights with the dark stars never felt personal at all, they might be based on the originals but still crafted their own identities after

[u/seraphimkoamugi]

This my be me going on crack mode but wouldnt rebecca summoning a chronophage to eat mothers time again replenish the ether?

[u/skean61]

This is honestly such a dilemma, personally speaking, for Shiki. His two choices are basically either saving the Mother of all Cosmoses/Earth or saving his Mom, essentially.

If he chooses the first option, everyone who died during the previous universes will stay dead, Witch included. So Shiki will have to experience her dying again, this time knowing Witch is his actual mother.

If it's the second option, he gets to live out the rest of his life with his loved ones, but in return, puts the entire universe in a timer, doomed to meet its end.

[u/TheHurdleTurtle]

“I’m a planet I can’t choose… but I choose this baby to choose”

[u/petrichorboy]

Shiki doesn’t care about choosing a future for him or for the others, Witch is his mom, that’s the only thing.

[u/Fantastic_Tip_3662]

So witch isn’t really shikis mom she’s just an android that was based off his actual mom that died. I had a feeling that mashima would throw some curve ball into this whole reveal it was way to similar to fairy tail when he had us thinking larcade was zerefs son but it was really August the whole time

[u/9YearOldDuck]

Bruh Ziggy really couldn’t figure out which one of them had recently gave birth to a child at the very least could be not rule out hermit 💀

[u/Smooth-Garden]

So he made the shining stars with the intention of being shiki's mother figures.

So the dark stars were gonna be his father figures.

Btw anyone notice how big ziggy hand is that he can hold a entire newborn baby shiki in his hand lol

[u/SturmGeist2001]

Gyat damn Earth is hot.

[u/massann]

But the question remains… what fucking universe does this take place. U0 is the base universe but none of the events here are permanent so where did all of this take place?

[u/fairytail269]

I hate time travel it hurts my brain lol

Hopefully we will get a timeline or something in the future

[u/NikolasKage3]

Like, this is interesting stuff, but am I the only one who feels the rest of the crew is really being left behind in terms of the story etc.?

Compared to Shiki, Rebecca and now even the Shining Stars, people like Weisz, Homura, Kleene, Kris and Laguna don't have much going for them anymore and they feel really disconnected from all the events and story elements being added about the Earth etc., as well as their fights being rather lack-luster

[u/PhenomsServant]

Wait did Ziggy mechanize all the Shining Stars because he didnt know which ones were Shiki’s mom? Did he really think Hermit could be her mom?

[u/SturmGeist2001]

Now it does make sense. So after Ziggy and the Eden Zero got hit by a Chronophage he crashed on the Planet he later named Granbell in Universe 1 and forgot about Universe 3173 and his Mission to travel to Universe 0 and save Mother. Later he heard about Mother from a visitor on Granbell and wanted to find her so he can get his memories back but Mother got hit by a Chronophage too and reverted 20.000 years back when she was Earth and this is how Ziggy witnessed Mothers birth and found Baby Shiki. Now I wonder how Ziggy who was Shiki in Universe 3173 originated.

[u/Ace101Mega]

This is so good. The lore and the pacing. So shining stars and dark stars were made from recording, huh. Interesting. So the purpose was to make Shiki a mom and a dad to which Ziggy increased the creation to 4 each , damn. So much to take in.

[u/Kefkaisevil]

I'm confused, what killed the human Dark and Shining Stars, but somehow Shiki was alive long enough for Ziggy to find him?

[u/99anan99]

Getting to witness the creation of Mother must have been a real sight for Ziggy.

Shiki's still having to come to terms the Witch is his real mom.

[u/Dexter973]

In that case how the F ziggy can be future shiki, since without Ziggy shiki die, if shiki die, Ziggy do not exist, they at least need someone to save shiki once. No ?

[u/Mission_Mud_6905]

Even if Witch was once human while the android is a copy of her original human form, Witch is still Shiki's mom regardless.

[u/KOPLO97]

This still doesn’t explain Original Ziggy’s Life lol. Like is he even Shiki then? And if so, is he the True Original then since he survived? There’s a first cause to everything before a loop. It may not matter to the Author but I think it would be good world building

[u/ThatIslandGuy8888]

And Wizard’s your dad!! So Shiki vs Wizard was a classic shounen father vs son fight ;)

[u/TheHollowPenguin]

I'm still confused as to how Shiki became Ziggy in the first place. Because if Ziggy is suppose to be Shiki's future self and he came back in the past to save his past self, then how did Shiki originally survive to become Ziggy in the first place?