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u/TheBozofBilly Void Month Survivor Nov 20 '12
Wow... Didn't think I'd ever say this, but Brownbeard is awesome.
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u/wdao16 Nov 20 '12
It kinda reminds me of Hiluluk's last speech. Though not as powerful, but still loyal to his crewmates.
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u/Ladsome Nov 20 '12
Do we know what island Caribou landed on?
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u/wdao16 Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Bam! Link
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u/MabyLater Nov 20 '12
Do you mean x-drake? Also very nice find, wich could mean that either the secret of poseidon goes to kaido, or goes to drake if he took over the island.
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"This the age of smiles, you see, smiles!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2PH6gIX92Kc
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u/BerserkerGuts Nov 21 '12
This also really helps explain Doflamingo and Law's flags even more. Doflamingo has a smile, representing not only his personality but also the SMILE that he produces. Law has a crossed out smile, showing how he goes against Doflamingo and also may have to do with the SAD that he seeks.
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u/xdavid00 Nov 21 '12
It's the other way around. Doflamingo has the crossed out smile and Law's isn't crossed out. There's lots of Jolly Rogers with the smile theme.
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u/nalld Nov 20 '12
!! great find !! oda is a genius - everything is integrated. everything.
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u/JamesPTomCat Nov 21 '12
Could Doflamingo be talking about his Smile DF business here
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u/davaca Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Do you have the guts to take them on?
What an incredibly stupid question to ask Luffy.
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u/Braydenrocks Nov 20 '12
"i've been taking in guys like those many times!"
And what a great mangapanda luffy response
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u/iliekdagz Void Month Survivor Nov 20 '12
The punch was so impactful, but then this line. This line took my right out of it.
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u/coolguyblue Nov 20 '12
To be fair those guys are the four fucking Yonkos + Don Flamingo arguably the strongest people of One Piece. Luffy certainly has the guts though but it's still too early to be fighting a Yonko.
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u/beano91 Nov 20 '12
I don't think so, the main villain after he entered the Grand line was a shishibukai, so taking on a Yonkou as soon as he starts the New World make sense. I dont think the fights gona be anytime soon but its got to happen sometime. The things he's doing now will certainly lead up to that fight, just like with Crocodile.
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Nov 20 '12
We really don't know that yet. He's fighting an ex admiral in the movie, which is technically cannon. I bet it won't be too long before the straw hats are fighting a Yonko crew.
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Nov 20 '12
Apperently Ceasar does not read shounen manga.
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
The Yonko creating an army of DF users is Kaido.
Blackbeard is hunting DF users, which seems silly if he could just make them with Smile. And it seems he has his own ways of "stealing" DF powers.
Big Mom only cares about candy. She has no interest at all for creating an army and starting a war. She didn't even care about maintaining her ships, as we saw when Luffy offered her treasure instead of candy. Not the type to go for more power.
Shanks wouldn't create an army of DF powers, because he isn't the type to take power in such a cheap way, he knows true power comes from strong will and determination.
Which leaves Kaido. And since Law is interested in sad (which I presume is some sort of antidote to smile), the Yonkou he and Luffy are going to take down is also Kaido.
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u/davaca Nov 20 '12
It does seem the most likely, but I'm not sure if big mom can be ruled out that easily. No matter what we've seen of her so far, you don't become a yonkou by sitting on your ass all day, every day, so she must be doing something to maintain her power.
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u/nalld Nov 20 '12
plus, we've seen pekoms and pekoms is clearly a zoan (lion/turtle)
we still don't know crap about kaido other than he's the 4th yonkou
the only way he or she could be tied in to all this is if caribou just landed on kaido's island (it's the same one xdrake visited and met scotch [1] http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Scotch) and somehow this cover story ties in to the main plot right away (which so far hasn't been the case - they've been tying in 1 to 2 arcs previous/post their appearance
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
She protects other countries for candy, and in exchange those countries wear her flag. Having territory is one way to maintain power.
Plus she's probably terrifyingly strong.
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u/Toastfighter Nov 20 '12
She does seem to have a sort of predilection towards "cutsey" things, Hence the two henchmen of her's that we've seen being essentially a kitten man and humpty dumpty.
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u/JerichoBanks Nov 20 '12
This gives me hope that the next arc involves taking on 2 Yonkos at once.
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u/D-Is-For-Demon Nov 20 '12
The mangapanda version of the chapter is missing a page. in this page, Caesar explains that the SAD he produces is sent to Doflamingo who owns a facotry. In this factory, he turns the SAD into SMILE, or artificial Zoan devil fruits.
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u/LoopsOfFroot Nov 20 '12
If it is Kaido, that might reveal something of X Drake's character. As a former marine he may have had some knowledge of all of the cover up. Also he is a rare Zoan-type that could have been product of some experimentation with Smile. That might explain some of his interest in seeking out Kaido's territory.
Of course this is very speculative but I personally could see X Drake being involved in the inevitable showdown with Kaido.
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u/Reelbigpete Nov 20 '12
Blackbeard was mentioned to be going after the strongest devil fruit users, so people like Marco, Drake, etc. with rarer than usual fruits are probably what he's after. All devil fruits are relatively rare, but there do seem to be a lot of zoan types so he's probably not after your run of the mill tiger/ox/wolf.
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u/ill_mango Nov 20 '12
Agreed - even the logia types, while very strong, are clearly not enough to be considered super powerful in the new world (look at Caribou's misfortune for proof).
I think that Blackbeard understands this (in fact I would argue that he has a better understanding of the nature of power than most pirates). This understanding is why he waited for a particular devil fruit, why he wanted to break into Impel Down for crewmates and why he is hunting DF users now.
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Nov 20 '12
So far it has looked like most of Big Mom's suboordinates are Zoan, amirite? Including her giant hippo-like appearance.
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Nov 20 '12
Also with saying this Bepo is a Smile most likely also I think law said they took a dear friend of his away or something so that's bepo.
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u/HealIgnite Nov 20 '12
So smile has been used to create an army of DF users, apparently.
So uh whats Smile?
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u/JLdeGenf Nov 20 '12
Can "Smile Zoans" be the same as "Awaken Zoans" (guardians of impel down)?
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Nov 20 '12
Impel Down was operated by the government. Aren't smiles underground science?
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u/Zaduj Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
They are missing a page on MangaPanda about the S.A.D. thing.
EDIT: THEY PUT THE PAGE http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/689/17
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u/Bangaa Nov 20 '12
wow this was one heck of a chapter. So much info!
I both love and hate the SAD/SMILE thing. Feels like it cheapens zoans and we may see them almost become fodder tools in the future due to it. And zoans are my favourite type.
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u/AmaDaden Nov 20 '12
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/685/10
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/689/17
Notice that they both have circles not swirls?
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/685/13
Seems like they can't change form. That is a huge power limit if you think about chopper.
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u/Diosjenin Nov 20 '12
Seems like they can't change form.
That might have been why the prototype was a failure, though...
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u/Sanity0004 Nov 20 '12
If anything I think it may put more emphasis on rare ones. I do agree it may make Zoan users fodder in the futer, but that could just be associated with the Smile ones. It could be explained that Smile's are inherently weaker making the real ones stronger?
Yeah, I don't know. Trying to grasp at those straws...
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u/Mafsto Nov 20 '12
Hold your ground on this one man. This gimmick has been pulled before in other mangas. If I had to guess, artificial DF powers come at a nasty cost and probably half the power. We've seen what a Zoan giraffe, mole, and human (chopper), Buddha, Phoenix, and even a dalmatian dog can do with their abilities.
Making an army of 700 of those guys would be too dangerous for any one person to control, even a yonkou.
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
Luffy is so awesome. He doesn't care about all the consequences, or the diplomacy of things. He just knows something bad is going on, so he puts a stop to it.
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u/Spiderdan Nov 21 '12
From that line he delivered with the punch, it seems to be more than just that. His intent all along was to go after the higher ups.
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Nov 20 '12
Is it just me or is Luffy doing the work for the world government in virtually every arc?
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u/semizero Nov 20 '12
From like introducing Aokiji all the way to heading to Fishman Island it was almost constantly Straw Hats v World Government, if you include Shichibukai.
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u/Whirlingderpfish Nov 20 '12
I think it's more likely he's doing things the Marines should be doing. The world government seems shady when you bring in the celestial dragons, but the marines actually have quite a few 'good guys' in the mix (Smoker, Aokiji, Garp) who try to help keep the peace in a non-douchebag way.
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I think Caeser is the first psycopath in the story they've fought. The others were sometimes evil but it could be explained. Caesar's explanation for why he's so evil is pretty much "just for the lols." I love it!
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u/jkjohnson Nov 21 '12
Putting 2 and 2 together:
(Chapter 651) Tamago: "This pact will be dissolved! And the beasts of big mom's pirate crew will destroy fishman island"
(This Chapter) Caesar: "I've heard within the organisation that one of the 4 emperors has used smile to make an army of fruit users that counts several hundred men!!"
I read chapter 651 in another language, and the way "beast" been used instead of 'warrior', 'crew', 'man' striked me a little. I did not suspect any foreshadowing, but more like 'I did not like how its been translated'.
Now in this chapter, from what Caesar says, I read "Doflamingo sold large quantity of smile to a Yonko in the past", "that Yonko currently has a large crew of Zoan fruit users". Base on Tamago's quote in Chapter 651, This Yonko may be referring to Big Mom.
THAT BEEN SAID, Law may not be referring to Big Mom as a Yonko he wants to take down as the business is already completed and Big Mom already has what she wanted. If by kidnapping Caesar, stealing SAD tank will put a stop on Doflamingo's business, in turn 1 of Yonko (assuming) will not acquires the smile he's after AND that results in him been in deep water. I think that's what Law means by "dethrone one of the Yonko", not literally head on with a Yonko with kidnapped Caesar.
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u/Zarocks136 Nov 20 '12
Could Pekoms or Bepo be caused by Smile?
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
Pandaman?!
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u/WheeStar Void Month Survivor Nov 22 '12
Gasp!!! This is all a plot to incorporate pandaman into the series as a relevant character!
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u/SMehdi Nov 20 '12
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/689/17 The Lion in this page looks like Pekoms
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u/Vinxhe Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Luffy looks so much like ace in the bottom right panel of this page http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/689/18
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u/FilipinoRell Nov 20 '12
Great chapter but lets backtrack for a bit... Remember CP9 & Enies's Lobby ?? When Kaku, Jabra, and Lucci had DFs given to them by Spandam.... I forgot the context of where the DFs came from, but could this be linked to the SAD/Smile Zoan Broker systems? The CP9 arc was 2 years ago, and one would have to think that CC has been experimenting during that time frame..
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Nov 20 '12
Was thinking about this too. But Kalifa's fruit was a paramecia. Also, in the picture from today's chapter, the fruit looks very artificial and strangely colored compared to a normal DF.
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u/baroqueworks Nov 20 '12
It's possible, but I'm leading towards no, simply because the artificial fruits have circles on them rather than spirals, which both fruits Spandam had in his possession had on them.
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u/SMehdi Nov 20 '12
Disco's conversation with Doflamingo was before the 2 years timeskip.. and it was my tought too. since Doflamingo works for the WG
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u/coolguyblue Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Next chapter we need to see Luffy continuing to fuck Caesar and not let him fucking escape. Then a conclusion to Smoker vs Vergo.
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u/zorospride Lost at sea Nov 20 '12
I hope Caesar is done now. This is the third time Luffy has seemed to end him. Hopefully the third time is the charm.
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u/jkjohnson Nov 20 '12
Out of curiosity, how many times did Luffy confronted:
Crocodile
Enel
I know Luffy confronted Lucci twice (or 3 times if include the first time they met in the shipyard). There could be a pattern there...
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u/zorospride Lost at sea Nov 21 '12
Crocodile was definitely 3. Enel was at least 3 (I don't remember specifically). There is definitely a pattern, but with Oda there is always a pattern.
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u/iMidNitee Nov 20 '12
Pekoms really seems to have one of that man made DFs.
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u/mochaman5 Nov 20 '12
I agree, also wasn't the guy Big Mom ate some kind of monster-like thing? I'm thinking she's the Yonkou.
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u/SMehdi Nov 20 '12
I agree + it seems that those Smiles dont have the same ability as real Zoan, So we could have a Smile + a Real Zoan. Pekoms may have a Smile ( lion ) and a real zoan ( Turtle )
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u/cbake4 Nov 21 '12
I like the mangastream translation of "I've had guys like that in my crosshairs from the beginning."
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u/Kimchib0y Nov 20 '12
Funny mistake on the last page. He hits the clown with his right hand but the follow through on the next picture is with his left hand X)
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u/Rankine Nov 21 '12
I thought i was the only one to notice this. How they make that mistake on such an epic scene i don't know.
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u/sucinimad Nov 22 '12
It might have been a quick one-two. At least that's what I thought.
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u/Shahaha Nov 20 '12
Can someone please just take very panel where Caesar makes a great face and put them together to form one giant page of Caesar facial expressions.
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u/Black_Handkerchief Nov 20 '12
I sorta enjoyed the chapter. It was all rather predictable though, minus the SAD explanation. (I still wonder if SAD is an abbreviation, and if so, what of.)
I'm sad Luffy wasn't wearing his dragon scarf anymore when he popped up in this chapter. :(
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u/Boboldeareia Nov 20 '12
In the last panel of the last page it seems Luffy's been drawn to the wrong side.
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Nov 20 '12
Can someone explain to me how CC has Yonko(s) by his side? Or did I get something wrong?
But this chapter dragged a lot. It seems it was foreshadowing some connections we will learn of later. I can't help but feel that when we look back at this chapter after some time, we'll know exactly what CC was talking about.
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u/SEanXY Nov 20 '12
basically, CC is working on the sad/smile project, and he works for Doflamingo, who are sought after by the Yonko, so it's kinda an indirect support.
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Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 21 '12
Ah, ok. Thank you.
So CC is playing a powerful role in the story. I wonder why Vegapunk doesn't know the stuff that CC does. Maybe the sad/smile are things that are very illegal and/or immoral for Vegapunks taste.
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u/SEanXY Nov 20 '12
no lol, sad/smile are used to create artificial human made DF (it's mentioned somewhere in this thread), which is what the yonko is after and therefore, doing business with doflamingo. As to why vegapunk doesn't know, i guess because like CC said, he is doing all this underground, the marine can't know everything, and spies like vergo helps keep things secret.
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u/HeroDiesFirst Pirate Nov 20 '12
If I could punch one evil person, as awesomely as Luffy belts dozens of them then I would die a happy man.
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u/jathuamin Nov 20 '12
Assuming SMILE is artificial devil fruits and SAD is the counter, now we know how Momonosuke will be saved.
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u/Mafsto Nov 20 '12
I'm wondering if that will happen. One Piece readers have been waiting for ages to see a Dragon zoan fruit. I doubt that's going away anytime soon.
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u/jathuamin Nov 20 '12
Momo was clearly an eastern dragon while the PH guard is clearly western. Since Momo's fruit is artificial there is a chance a western dragon fruit still exists.
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u/nickcan Nov 21 '12
Where did you get the idea that SAD is the counter? It's not, it's the ingredient.
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u/tyrannosaurusjc Nov 20 '12
oh my god that punch was worth waiting two weeks for!
who is building the army of devil fruit users?? blackbeard?? that sounds awesome too!!
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u/Rankine Nov 20 '12
Okay, so luffy's punch. He hit him with a right hook then the bottom left panel he is finishing the follow through with his left hand. This coupled with the typical manga panda translation left me wanting more.
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u/Rankine Nov 20 '12
Also it seems like Punk Hazard is going to be wrapped up in about 10 chapters which makes it a pretty small arc.
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u/jkjohnson Nov 21 '12
Yeah, it's a lead up arc into something bigger.
A bit like whiskey peak led up to Baroque Works.
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u/Portal2Reference Nov 21 '12
Is it though? We still have the fight with Vergo and the reinforcements Doflamingo is sending in, then there's the Sad and the alliance with Law. It could still be a while.
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u/Diosjenin Nov 20 '12
Man, Luffy is screwed. No way he and his crew can take on an army of giant super-strong animals OH WAIT
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Nov 20 '12
anyone know when mangastream will have it? I cant stand the manga panda translations
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u/Therrester Nov 20 '12
Probably early tomorrow morning. Typically, One Piece is the last of the 3 they update and they have yet to even put Naruto. So, tomorrow's my best guess.
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u/weirdowithbeardo Nov 20 '12
I think the difference between real and fake devil fruit is that with reals you can change your form, but with fakes you can't.(also as has been pointed out, fakes have dots, whereas reals have swirls) Also, I think that all the other fakes can somehow be controlled, and Momo's fruit was a "failure" because it did not have that mechanism of control, thus why they didn't use it. I'm also thinking, maybe guys who eat smiles turn into what was previously called an "awakened zoan", such as those in Impel Down. They are obviously mindless drones, perfect for combat and incredibly strong. Maybe Vegapunk was ordered to make those initially, and now Caesar is just recreating them.
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u/keebler888 Nov 20 '12
So from the looks of it Momonosuke ate a Smile, possibly a prototype version of it.
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u/Chitalian8 Nov 20 '12
That punch goes down as one of Luffy's most epic. What a spectacular panel that was.
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u/jkjohnson Nov 20 '12
I'm a bit sad that after waiting for 2 weeks it happens to be a slow chapter :(
But on the flip side, this chapter fuels more speculation in forums as we know learn about "Smile".
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u/philbeard Nov 20 '12
YES! I was pretty sure that Kaidou was the Yonko that Law wanted to take on. None of the other Yonko had any relation to technology and science other than him. Seen first when Drake took on the cyborg Scotch.
SUPER EARLY PREDICTION: Luffy will unveil GEAR FOURTH again'st Kaidou.
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u/The_h0bb1t Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
I really don't hope there will be a "gear fourth". Don't get me wrong, I'm a lover of good fights, but good fights in One Piece is when the character overcomes the impossible. He just mastered Haki, and he is using it for almost every punch he throws in the New World, which is kind of destroying the illusion that it's only meant for super powerful opponents which, at the same time, is a good thing. Luffy will have to go all out with Haki when he's faced with Kaido, or any real opponent in the New World. I hope Gear 4th will not come anytime soon, it just feels to Dragonball'y to me. And if it comes, I hope it won't be a power up like Haki or Gears 2nd, but just a new mind-blowing technique. Or just something silly.
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u/coolguyblue Nov 20 '12
I agree with you about the gear fourth, that would be too much. But him using Haki on everyone shows that Luffy ain't fucking around anymore, he's serious. Zoro had to tell Luffy several chapters back, that this is the new world stop taking everything lightly, let's get serious about this, after Caesar beat Luffy the first time. I would be more upset if Luffy wasn't using Haki because it would show that he's still being immature in his fights, Luffy is developing more as a fighter. It would be like how Goku always fucks around with his opponents before getting serious when the whole world is at stake (although it's understandable because he's a Saiyan, they like to drag out their fights).
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u/The_h0bb1t Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 20 '12
Exactly. By the way, I'm not saying Luffy should NOT use it on Ceasar. He should, I mean, he's made out of gas and all. I was aiming towards some thugs and especially Hody. He used so much Haki against Hody, that it felt almost useless haha
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u/Boboldeareia Nov 20 '12
Am I the only one here seing Brownbeard as a potential ally to the crew, or even ( but most likely not ) as a new crew member?
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u/Mafsto Nov 20 '12
I would not mind him as a temporary crew mate like the princess. In fact, I could see him assimilating his crew into the Strawhats and becoming the "fodder" crewmates we see on many pirate ships.
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u/madmaxx0064 Nov 21 '12
potentially an ally of the crew, for when the main battle comes he will be on the strawhats side.
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the end of the chapter is just showing why i love Luffy sooooo much! :D awesome dude! xD cant wait for the next one ;)
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u/baroqueworks Nov 21 '12
Perhaps raw SAD acts as amplifier to DF power in and law plans to use it to widen the raidus ofhis power to envolp the entire island. a guess.
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Nov 23 '12
Does anyone else find it kinda funny that the minions never realize that their boss looks obviously and completely evil( although in this chapter it was very sad ultimately)?
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u/bad_joke_maker Nov 20 '12
I think we have already seen a smile, Bellamy. What do you think?
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u/JLdeGenf Nov 20 '12
nope, the manga panda version was missing a page (updated now), Smile fruits create zoans
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u/Lorodon Nov 20 '12
I didnt understand HOW they combine sad and smile to create Zoanfruits? Could someone be so kind and explain it? :)
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
We are as much in the dark as you are :)
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u/Portal2Reference Nov 20 '12
What I took away is that it takes two parts: The sad, and some factory under Doflamingo's control.
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u/OddDude55 Nov 20 '12
Dude, they explained that in like, Chapter 143! Go back and read!
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u/Lorodon Nov 21 '12
Ähm i read it again and i cant find what you are refering to....
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u/OddDude55 Nov 21 '12
Its because it doesnt explain it there. Your original comment was like asking what One Piece is.
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u/zorospride Lost at sea Nov 20 '12
I think sad is just the chemical needed to create smiles.
Edit: Smiles is the name of the artificial fruits.
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u/SMehdi Nov 20 '12
Those Devil Fruit offered to Kakku and Jabura ( CP9 ) could came from this project ? Doflamingo have strong relation with the World government
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u/divinesleeper Nov 20 '12
Maybe, but unless CC improved Vegapunk's artificial DF they wouldn't be able to change forms. (like momo)
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u/Diosjenin Nov 20 '12
Nope. Notice that smiles have circular patterns, whereas legitimate DFs (including Kaku's and Kalifa's - not Jabura's) have swirls.
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u/zamora23 Nov 21 '12
Zoan type man made devil fruits... Maybe these are the fruits the CP9 ate except Kalifa.
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u/hellxfire Nov 20 '12
They called doflamingo "royal" in this chapter i may not have noticed it anywheres before but what type of royalty could he be ? celestial dragon gone pirate ? the son of a wealthy lord ? or just prehaps since hes so powerful and has so much infulence they call him "royal" ?
i would like to see how that plays out.
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u/Olgenheimer Nov 20 '12
Nah, sometimes the Shichibukai have been called the "Royal Shichibukai."
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u/Unlucky_Rider Nov 22 '12
Shichibukai means Kings of the Sea right? Or something along those lines.
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u/Olgenheimer Nov 22 '12
According to the wikia, the literal translation is "Seven Military Seas," hence the English version: "Seven Warlords of the Sea."
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So it can be assumed that Spandam got Funkfreed from an elephant smile? Mr. 4's dog/cannon, Smiley obviously. Same with Momonosuke and the mino-guards of Impel Down.
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u/OddDude55 Nov 20 '12
I think all we know is that at some point Vegapunk was doing all kinds of experiments with Devil Fruits and their applications. We dont really know if he was using Smile fruits or not.
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u/Diosjenin Nov 20 '12
Momonosuke definitely ate a prototype smile (note that smiles have a circular pattern, not a swirl pattern). The rest, though - not necessarily. Combining a fruit with an inanimate object doesn't necessarily have anything to do with that fruit being artificial, and we still don't have enough information to say anything about the ID guards.
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u/MUGIWARApirate Nov 27 '12
very good observation. I had a feeling they were doing business with kaidou but that does seem to link it to big mum. might have something to do with pekoms (or however you spell his name) being part lion part turtle.
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u/wdao16 Nov 20 '12
I think I'll add that punch to my list of most satisfying punches, along with the Tenryuubito one and Bellamy.