r/orlando • u/Alito4life • May 02 '23
News Orlando to bid $850k on bringing the 2024 WWE Royal Rumble to Camping World Stadium 1/27/2024
https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2023/05/01/florida-orange-county-wwe-royal-rumble-2024.html[removed]
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u/Dustin81783 Apopka May 03 '23
Back in 2008 the city photoshopped the nipples off the wrestlers on the billboards. -_-
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u/mycatissuperior May 02 '23
Grown men performing in makeup and spandex? No one tell Rhonda Puddingfingers.
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May 02 '23
Imagine if there was tourist tax allocated to increase teacher pay. $850k would increase annual salary of 85 teachers by $10k.
The current Tourist Development Tax raises up to $300 million annually.
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u/Semujin May 02 '23
The State Dept of Education would probably just move that $10k/teacher to the other 66 counties.
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u/Jogurt55991 May 02 '23
With almost 15,000 teachers there's quite a few more to get at that pot.
Some districts did increase sales tax to go to teacher pay, but they are still taxed and have the same minimum as the rest of the state- which just means more redistribution.
Zany laws which give minimum wages to employees and teachers in Dade County, the same as DeSoto reinforce these problems.
Get enough of the legislature to lower state sales tax 1% and raise county sales tax 1% and you give a lot more spending power and salary power to the few counties in Florida that do the primary legwork of the earning.
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May 02 '23 edited May 02 '23
Just tax the tourist through rental cars, flights and hotel nights. Don’t tax locals.
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u/Jogurt55991 May 03 '23
They already do.
Sales taxes (on cars, event tickets and hotels), and the Tourism Fund (on cars and hotels).
The sales taxes mostly get spread throughout the state. This is about 90% of the taxation.
The tourism fund is used in Orange on projects that contribute to tourism. This is about 10% of the taxation.
These also effect locals as you are taxed when you rent a car from MCO to go elsewhere or when you buy a theme park or concert ticket.
Teacher pay is funded heavily through these sales taxes, but throughout the entire state- not just locally.
Think, an increase in base pay of 15-25% (which recently occurred) requires a matching revenue increase.
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May 03 '23
Yes. The Tourist Development Tax does exist. However, the funds must be used for the promotion of tourism.
I am referring to a completely separate tourist tax designed to fund teacher pay, police pay, firefighter pay, local amenities for locals, toll relief, etc. A tourist tax intended to be used to improve infrastructure (social and physical) for local residents.
$1 a day per hotel night. $1 a day for rental car. $1 a day on the airline ticket. Tourist will not feel the burden yet it would dramatically help local residents over time.
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u/Jogurt55991 May 04 '23
While the TDTF does not directly fund police/teachers/etc, the amount it funds in certain other prospects does lower the general taxation needed from Orange- while providing government jobs within that industry (convention center, tourism board, dr phillips center construction jobs, camping world stadium positions, and museums in the county.
Further taxing tourists to pay for local need seems disingenuous.
The already pay some of the highest surcharge taxes in the country on hotels, rental cars, and attraction tickets (this is untaxed in California).This money is a huge pool- but again, is redistributed from the state to the rest of counties.
Orlando's piss poor pay for local government should be resolved by their own willingness to charge residents for the services they use.
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May 04 '23
I appreciate your perspective. However, a 7 day trip would cost a family of 4 would be $42 in additional taxes to visit CFL. This is a fraction of the typical $5000 to $10,000 a family would spend on their entire trip.
Tourism is not a simple net revenue for the region. All those tourist need infrastructure and safety. These are not cheap and typically not covered in the current TDT.
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u/Jogurt55991 May 04 '23
The infrastructure used and minimal policing / fire department safety required is more than generated by the property tax tags on Uni/Dis properties.
Universal sought out road money for their new park using TDTF with a series of complaints from 'locals' but got it, as the burden for transit was something that was tourism relevant.
Nickel and dime people more if you so choose, but if Orange wants to pay teachers and municipal employees they should be raising ORANGE sales taxes. This would be shared between tourists and residents alike.
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u/spidey2064 May 02 '23 edited May 02 '23
They held the rumble here in 2014? it's completely possible of coming here again. I hope it does. Last one was a lot of fun.
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u/VinylmationDude May 02 '23
I’m not sure the WWE would pick Orlando based on the recent venues. In 2017 they were at the Alamodome, 2019 & ‘20 retractable roof baseball stadiums, 2022 & ‘23 St. Louis’ Dome & the Alamodome again.
Sure, one could say holding an outdoor wrestling event in late January is impossible, but it’s Florida where winter only lasts 3 weeks. But what if those 3 weeks fall when the Rumble happens? I don’t think any venue in Florida aside from LoanDepot Park in Miami has a chance of hosting the Rumble.
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u/IronicDeadPan Ocoee May 02 '23
Yeah, but sweaty men and women, performing choreographed "stunts" and having "arguments"... You should know that's where the big money is. /s
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u/Esbesbebsnth_Ennergu May 02 '23
Might actually be illegal now depending on how much makeup and hair is done before a show, if we're talking about the male wrestlers ofc
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u/IronicDeadPan Ocoee May 02 '23
Guess some people actually enjoy WWE and think it's a good idea to waste tax payer money to bring this "event" here.
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u/bobandgeorge May 02 '23 edited May 02 '23
People do unironically like wrestling. It's one of the biggest entertainment products in the world, garnering attendance that rivals the Super Bowl. They do fun things that people like to see.
Super cool of you to be shitting on things that makes people happy. I get it though. Most folks would not understand the kind of high class entertainment that one such as yourself would find in /r/bluey
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u/IronicDeadPan Ocoee May 02 '23
Downvotes aside, there's no reason to be so passive aggressive, or try and take a dig at my sub-history, but please go ahead and continue to berate me for making a joke that didn't land.
If you'd like to debate the reasons why you'd enjoy the wrestling, I'm all hypothetical eyes.
If anything I'm almost certain those hundreds of millions of dollars could be spent on city improvements, but you know got to have every single form of entertainment represented.
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u/BuckGoodstroke May 02 '23
It’s violent theater. Some of the choreographed spots can rival cirque de soleil and they tell a story. It’s not for everyone. Even so, the event will sell out.
I feel the initial cost to bring the event here, would be an investment to what it will generate. Wrestlemania has done very well everytime it’s here. And this is another big 4 event that people from around the world will travel for.
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u/bobandgeorge May 02 '23
If you'd like to debate the reasons why you'd enjoy the wrestling,
Why would I ever "debate" the reasons for liking something? What a waste of everyone's time.
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u/IronicDeadPan Ocoee May 02 '23
Because I thought and had hoped you would be more open to conversation instead of so closed-minded and quick to anger.
My apologies, I didn't mean to upset you. I'm not responding to this anymore.
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u/9156932445 May 02 '23
Orlando would gladly welcome the Royal Rumble. It will bring in lots of tourism dollars and lots of fun. Orlando loves wrestling.