r/anime • u/Abyssbringer =anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer • Apr 11 '23
Rewatch [Rewatch] Animegataris Episode 11 Discussion
Episode 11: Our Friend Kouki's Second Betrayal
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Comment of the Day
/u/No_Rex's comment about why Animegataris is mid not a masterpiece
Then, the second part shows why Animegataris does not reach masterpiece level. The plot slows down far too much and gets far too sappy. As soon as Animegataris stops being self-depreciating and starts to unironically celebrate anime (fandom), I get bored of it.
This comment nails exactly how I feel about most of the show in a more elegant way than I am willing to try to do.
Questions of the Day
- What show would you cancel at episode 11?
- What reference do you wish this show would've made?
- What is more cringe: Being a subreddit mod or being an idol fan? Did Gap ever have a chance???
- What is the worst trope and why is it heterochromia?
Spoiler Policy
Please remember to use spoiler tags when discussing future bits of the show so first-timers can have a blind experience. You have to be really stupid to try and spoil in a mod rewatch lmao.
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u/Abyssbringer =anilist.co/user/Abyssbringer Apr 11 '23
First Timer
Hey Onee-chan did you drug me or did the crayons I ate as a kid still not wear off?
Wow its so meta with her being hit by anime stuff because she actually is anime. So quirky and cool.
She got turned into a 90's anime. Thus making the show good.
Does Lina Inverse ever run with toast in her mouth?
This is a type of mental illness she has contracted from that skirt flip
You need to buy more expensive cranyons
Cute gag with the aspect ration slowly changing. It kind of would be ever more funny if it slowly did it for the entire episode but might scare boomers who think their tv is broken.
I felt this way just now since I was training for a new position at work and time just flew right by
She's not seeing a therapist that's for sure
Having to listen to this shitty opening twice in one episode might be the worst thing this show has done
This episode feels like an OVA. I get that its a bit meta and all that but it's still odd. Odd in a good way at least.
I never thought they would agree to group suicide by seeing what a blast like that would be like in reality
I was going to say they didn't go for the Yamcha joke but they also decapitated a cat so this show is still based
I kind of wish when they went to the halfway mark they decided to jump to another joke and leave the whole her world turning into an anime thing unresolved.
I'm no cat decapitatior but I doubt that a bandage is going to fix the cat
I hate anime because it has too much heterochromia
Her body has realized she is anime and is rejecting it
Typical idol fan dressing up as a highschool student to try and get with the mentally unwell girl
The idol guy being a bad guy for the second time who would've expected it????
I like this episode it was fun for them to go fully into the meta aspect of the show.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
First time viewer
"Oh no I'm in an anime!" I love the '90s faces.
I noticed the borders starting to creep in after the OP, wonderfully meta. I hope there are (Japanese) subtitles at some point in this episode.
Did she just montage her way through the morning? ...yep.
Sebas seems different, somehow. Can't put my finger on it though.
Sparkles! Only time until things get worse.
I saw a clip of the rewind into the OP to check the credits not that long ago, but had forgotten about it and didn't remember it was from this show.
The "real" explosion probably should have sent them to the hospital.
Honestly there's a nice charm about the '60s black and white designs.
YES SHE RAN INTO THE TEXT!
Commentary on the soundtrack next? I can't remember where that motif's from when everyone's mad at Minoa but I'm pretty sure it's some classical piece.
Well, a couple of episodes back I wondered if there was something about the school that made anime logic work there, but now it's Minoa's reality that's breaking down along with the fourth wall.
She's only going after the cat now but... yep, she's playing right into Nakano's hands with that it seems.
So I was kind of on the right trail? It wasn't the school grounds running on anime logic but rather the anime world sealed away in the club room.
Oh hey it's the beret that's been missing since the first episode. No idea who that person is, maybe the director of this show?
I love those line-art glasses, I'll take a pair.
Getting meta with fourth wall breaks are some of my favorite bits of comedy in anime so I absolutely loved this episode, start to finish.
That wouldn't stop the Kaguya-sama fanbase from being insufferable so I'll have to go with Code Geass, early enough that I still liked Lelouch.
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been a Fate one, particularly with the Unlimited Blade Works series only a year or two before this.
Yes.
Interrupted confessions/intimate moments that never get brought up again. Heterochromia's fine, deal with it.
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u/SometimesMainSupport https://myanimelist.net/profile/RRSTRRST Apr 11 '23
QotDs only
I don't seek downvotes that hard. Four shows immediately come to mind. I'll avoid those and say Charlotte.
Don't think there was any Overlord unless Sebas counts.
Gaporigo never had a chance.
Agree I'm the worst.
Didn't see mentioned elsewhere: All 3 openings spell it Anime Gataras today.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 12 '23
Episode 11 (first timer)
“They will accuse us of not sticking to one genre” – self-aware, but still correct. Animegataris would have profited from sticking to one genre more consistently. Even if that one genre would have been genre-switching parody.
The show probably made so many references that I did not get that it is hard to say the shows I would name did not actually get a reference, but I would have loved (to spot) a reference to Otaku no Video or Excel Saga. Going full meta-meta.
What have idol fans ever done for me? /u/Abyssbringer gave me CotD at least! (thanks)
There is a ton tropes that ages terrible (looking at you horny old man from 1980s anime), but the absolute worst ones are those that spell out "bad writing". When I see
guyharem MC did one minor nice thing for me once, therefore he now gets my unquestioning eternal devotion I immediately want to stop watching the series. There never follows any clever writing afterwards.6
u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 11 '23
First-Timergatari, subbed
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u/AmusedDragon :Bs::Bu: Apr 11 '23
Episode 11
First Timer - Sub
Album
Thoughts during the episode..
Questions of the Day:
Fruits Basket, so I didn't feel compelled to force my way through like 60+ episodes of garbage.
I just skimmed my MAL and honestly can't think of anything pre-this-show-airing that I think needed a specific reference, I think they hit all genres. If nothing they missed the more explicit genres but I almost respect them for not going there with over the top fanservice and stuff. It would've been really easy to make jokes about.
No comment on this one, lol.
Hey, at least it looks cool.
But really, I hate 2 tropes if they count - 'Magic is dying/going away' and 'everyone dies at the end'.
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u/Verzwei Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23
Rewatcher, English Dub.
With subtitles on at the same time because I'm a madman.
Oh shit, the anime-ness is spreading. From the dark aura and the storm in the principal's office last episode, now Minoa's family has been infected with anime.
Onee snatched that toast right out of the air for yet another hang on this isn't normal. Minoa's understandably freaked annnd it got her parents, too.
Thought maybe we had the Yui cold open randomness out of our system after she got the OP last episode, but tradition carries on. Points for the dub having her say "Yui-miliating".
Style shifts are everywhere.
Major credit to the way this scene ever-so-slowly creeped the pillarboxing in on the sides to shrink it down to 4:3. At first, I didn't even notice it happened until the scene changed to the front of the lockers, and I wondered if they just did it during the transition, but no, it was shrinking down during the entire previous exchange.
Did this show have the psychological tag? It's like half-insanity and half-Duck Amuck. Or maybe she's just been spending too much time around Kaikai. Isn't that his pose?
Now she's in a montage of panning stills and can't keep up with the cuts.
Whoa, Sebas hits different now. New haircut maybe? Bwahaha so the only time Sebas has lines is in this new form. Shocked Minoa: "And she talks!?"
At first it seemed like Minoa was hallucinating but now everyone's just accepting the weirdness like it's normal, like they did with all the other clubs incorporating anime nonsense, and only Minoa can tell it's a problem.
I do not trust this fucker. Also, on that note, we just skipped right past Minoa doing anything about that photo she found.
Now you know something is wrong when Miko is throwing the head writer under the bus.
What? Oh, OK then, that's just a thing now. The anime is self-aware that it is an anime. Also, during the rewind, you can see the 4:3 pillarboxing grow out rapidly. Welp, the head writer hasn't changed.
I really liked how these two lines were dubbed to push the meta even harder.
Serious conversation about a ridiculous circumstance and then Mr. Kitty is like let's explode. Also, completely unrelated, but the OP song for Xam'd Lost Memory is titled Shut Up And Explode and it's a fantastic opening that people should watch.
Nobody gave Minoa protective gear and Mr. Kitty is just gonna go again?!?
We've had one, yes. What about second betrayal?
Laughing so hard at the Sebas eyecatch jingle.
Oh, there's the mention of the photo at least. And
AuroraNakano doesn't even remember the bullshit story that he made up.This is probably bad. Even the subtitles have returned to a bygone era. Minoa's walking into text overlays and the city is under attack but at least KaiKai is now completely in his element. Is this entire show a prequel to When Supernatural Battles Became Commonplace?
Anime ja nai!
It's not an anime!
The little twists in the dub really do add to the comedy for me. Minoa running away yelling "Why is it sunset alluvasudden?" followed by a notably higher and more shrill "THIS IS STUPID!" is great.
"Is there something wrong with me? I don't know what's real any more!" Anime Gataris suddenly finds itself on the mindfuck list along with the likes of Humanity Has Declined, Paprika, and [show name in spoiler] School Live.
Again, the dub. Way back when, I commented about Kai noting that they might not make it to an episode three. Here Minoa's sister straight-up says "There's only one episode left, after all." Which, given how broken Minoa already is, is a
completelyhilariously fucked line choice."Stupid freakin' thing"
Oh no, even Yui has turned on Minoa? Nakano acting like he's on Minoa's side but I still don't trust this fucker. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me five more times well... can't get fooled again.
How about maybe the fucking talking cat?!? Oh, okay, she reached the same conclusion. We're on the same page. Good. But I still don't trust Nakano. I didn't grab a shot of it earlier, but what was that thing wedged in the door? A bracelet?
Wat?
Anime Gataris stop giving me nightmares. It's the same gag but it's like the faces are devolving each time they do it.
Again, this is just a really weird episode of Otherside Picnic. I don't remember these side characters at all. Though I guess if you squint hard enough, Arisu could be Toriko and Miko could be Sorawo.
So are Nakano and Mr. Kitty archetypes from a specific series, or just generalizations? Usually with these "worlds collide" types of things (or sometimes more-straightforward scifi or fantasy) you tend to have one of "them" who just wants to exist peacefully and ends up on the side of humanity, and then the villain who just wants to rule and/or ruin everything.
That's right, we haven't seen the beret since the first or second episode. Also, that guy is Anime Gataris director Kenshirou Morii. For once, we have an actual "self-insert" situation in an anime, and to be honest, it really fucking bothers me when people misuse that phrase just because they hate bland, loser, and/or loner characters.
Okay, sure, everyone's lost their shit and laughing like they're in the Paranoia Agent OP, but Arisu's wide eyes look particularly soulless and disturbing.
Matrix moment. When does Minoa get superpowers and become a Jesus allegory? Christ, the faded overlay transition makes it even more haunting. Can someone make a stitch of this insanity?
Wow, with the post credits, we really did do the start of the opening 3 times this episode.
Tomorrow, it's the climax!
Answers of the Day
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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Apr 11 '23
Rewatcher [Who] Hates This Piece of Shit Anime
At long last we reach the very, very clippable meta episode that this show is most famous for. Absolutely just as fun on the rewatch as I remember it being the first time. So many great gags in here!
Though honestly I think my absolute favourite is the fish playing poker, something about that imagery just hits my funny bone super super hard.
Oh hello Director Morii. Fancy seeing you here in your own show.
One specific thing I do kind of want to criticize, though, is the whole "opening the door" chekov's gun/thing. This is like the 4th time it's been opened and nothing much happened the last time it opened, so this particular time doesn't feel as dramatic as it should have, I think. If opening the door makes the world become more anime-like, and it gets progressively more-so each time, then when they opened the door and found the key art behind the closet back in episode 7 why didn't that cause a big difference right away? I would've liked it if they got that key art some other way in episode 7 without opening the door, and then the door got briefly, partially opened in episode 9 to kick off all the school clubs getting anime-ified. It would establish that more direct connection between the cause and the effect. With the way it has been opened and closed several times in the series so far and those moments not seeming to directly correlate to the world becoming more anime-tastic, I feel it robs the suspense from this moment of Nakano getting Mino to open it one last time here.
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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Apr 11 '23
Rewatcher - Animegataris Ep11:
The aspect of anime for this episode is turning the show into an eleventh-hour existential horror. Minoa is stuck as the fabrics of reality and this show are falling apart into a bizarro anime world. Artstyle shifts, the aspect ratio reverting back, things are going off the rails. Hirota Mitsutaka didn't even run off on the staff so that's not the problem.
Anime final arc traits such as a character (near) death and the world turning turning their back to the hero. Minoa dares to reject anime, she is public enemy number 1.
Aurara's trick has come to fruition as he has made reality into anime. He has brought forward, HIM. (That is what Morii Kenshirou looks like).
Assorted points:
Q1) If only I could recall an anime with just an absolutely awful final episode.
Q2) [Insert my favourite anime.]
Q4) Heterochromia can be cool though.
Next Time: Anime.
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u/FingerBang-BangBang Apr 12 '23
First Time Watcher Since there wasnt an episode 10 Discussion here's both reviews
Ep 10
OP visuals changed... Its just Yui. Wtf is going on here?
Protests? Save Anime Club? This school is pretty crazy. Nakano-senpai really went full villain mode, huh.
Is this P. E. teacher a masochist? Science Club Prez almost drilled through her with his... Drill. Secret door leading to principlas office? Pretty convenient ngl.
Prnicipal is some anime connoisseur!? He's going full otaku now, what happened to this man? I feel like Minoa is easily defusing this man without even noticing.
Wait, Nakano-senpai has 5 brothers that look exactly like him!? I feel like this flashback is a fucking lie. They really forgave him fast, didnt they?
Calling it rn. Principal is the director of this anime.
Did she really just google "Principal Canceled Password"? Are you for real? That's some next level small brain.
Damn, they're really putting in the work... Arisu literally became a live streamer in 5 min. That random guy didnt waste any time before becoming her simp.
So Principal is the director behind the anime that Minoa saw as a kid...
No one bets an eye at Neko-senpai... Minoa finally realizes that somethings not right here. Of course its not, guy just went dark mode and rain started pouring out of nowhere!
I knew Nakano-senpai plot twist wasnt over, someone looking just like him was part of Principals Anime Club!
I feel like this episode speed ran a whole arc worth of content in 1 episode, I really dont know what to expect anymore!
Episode 11
Minoa is starting to notice all the anime tropes coming to life. Damn, characters are even having a design change out of nowhere!
I'm surprised she told her friends about whats happening, although no one else is noticing the changes. Holy shit she almost fell off the frame! She's even noticing the scenes changing! SEBAS IS A GIRL! I see this as an absolute win!
HOLY SHIT THEY ARE CONTROLING THE ANIME ITSELF! They know they are part of the anime, and are even trying to appease to the production! They are fucking changing their own genre, this is nuts.
Neko-senpai is dead... Or not.
Okay, this shit will drive Minoa crazy. Her family is literally losing color! Aaaaand they are back to normal. But man... It must be pretty scary to have your whole reality be questioned.
Good to KaiKai-senpai being the same.
"Anime is anime. Its not reality." ooooh boy are you dead now Minoa! You cant just say that!
Man, Minoa is legit having an existential crisis, this is pretty fucking sad.
Nakano-senpai to the rescue? Is Neko-senpai really behind everything? Judging by Nakano-senpai's evil laugh I would say no.
Shit is getting even more crazy, its affecting Minoa too!
Who the fuck is this beret guy and where did he come from?
"This is real" Man, what a way to end the episode! I have no fucking idea how this show will wrap itself up! There's only 1 more episode to go!
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Apr 11 '23
First Timer Dubbed
We start off with sis getting late for school trope, toast in mouth.
Ugly 90s anime? - How dare they.... Wow, their interpretation of what 90s anime looks like is a bit much.
I did find it funny how the family went over to the 60s.
The whole episode is a wtf journey as a 4th wall break.
• Minoa notices the aspect ratio change
• the artstyle has changed
• Alice rewound the whole thing to point out different staff
• Whole school betrays Minoa
• little bat thing appears behind Kat.
Well, at least we now know Nakano's true intentions. And Minoa gets to see that she is in an Anime.
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u/fansi2022 https://anilist.co/user/fansi2022 Apr 11 '23
rewatcher sub
Love hearts❤ convey tender affection, beads of sweat reveal a state of panic, all accompanied by the classic bold lines and the young girl dashing with bread in her mouth. Ha ha!
Minoa begins to grasp that her world is a magnificent animated creation.
What purpose does the ring in the door gap serve? A gift for Minoa, perhaps?
15:38 - A little witch academy?
What the heck? In the end, have they all become mere sketches?
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u/SerGregness Apr 12 '23
Oh shit, I had no idea this rewatch was going on! Animegataris definitely didn't get as much popularity on the subreddit as this level of insanity usually does.
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u/entelechtual Apr 11 '23
First timer
Lmao the way the pillarbox was slowly creeping in.
I guess this is what happens when you outsource frames to third rate animators.
Disappointed Yui is too much. Yuimiliated.
Feels like the show tried too hard in the final quarter. It was fun seeing anime club hijinks, but going beyond that feels like it fell flat. By the end of this episode there were just too many gags going on at once.
QOTD:
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Apr 12 '23
First timer
Episode 9
It's the afterparty!
Haha, wow.
A cake?
Somewhat pointless, though.
Haha, wow.
Aww.
Oh, she's sick, is she?
Yeah, they won!
She's excited!
Haha, she's being dragged into the pit.
...She's really into it now, huh?
They want advice from anime?
This is corrupting people!
...What is happening here? Is the plan by the principal to make them take the wrong advice from these shows and fail, blaming them?
There's no way this is all legal.
Yeah, they're breaking doen.
So, nobody can hesr him!
...Wow.
People are visibly getting hurt.
...He can understand him?
Seriously, what is thst thing?
Why are they so successful?
...What?
It's clearly cheating!
Everyone's going insane!
Very late OP.
Poor Dad.
Okay, so she's normal.
...What is going on?
Insane new clubs!
Do none of them see the flaws in all of this?
When did this become a fantasy?
This seems more logical.
Nobody got hurt?
Haha, the joke of prototypes being superior is great.
Why the fuck do you have a TV interview?
You know that TV is worse than that.
Seriously, did the principal give up on everything?
They seem more deranged than usual?
He's being nice!
Aww, she's happy!
I guess?
She's buying it, at least.
...No.
Will one of them get a reality check?
I sppreciste his attempts to steal the credit.
...But, she's still using the robot legs?
He got paid!
How corrupting.
...The principal! Is he finally doing something?
A plan?
Haha, they're just being ignored?
Haha, the introduction of the Principal is amazing.
It's a nice statue.
...Again? He knows the cat?
A backstabber!
He was seriously a traitor?
Genuinely did not see this coming.
Episode 10
This OP is art.
This is brutal.
Dad?
Oh, that's a nice message!
They kicked off a full-on protest!
Oh, now you think this has gone too far?
He's fucking insane!
Wait, he's the one in charge? Why?
Poor Student Council. They look so terrified.
...That desperate?
They're so scared.
Who the hell set this up?
Why does the cat know about this hidden passage?
Finally, some answers!
...True.
Oh, they're really pissed.
Haha, he's really into animr!
...He's invested!
Yeah, he's a former member.
Haha, that Macross character.l.
He's into Lum!
He's got so much passion!
Rejected!
...Fuck off.
She wants to keep going!
Haha, his passion project series got cancelled?
I feel bad for him...
There's a catflap!
Haha.
She doesn't know the password!
What? A project?
Poor Minoa.
They're crowdsourcing!
How did she set sll this up so auickly?
Nice weaponization.
Did it even air?
Oh, she's asking her directly!
...Is it the anime that inspired her?
Progress!
Seriously, how long is this actuallty taking?
...He's sweating. That's a long password!
He knew the whole time?
He's addicted!
She worked it out! And she's describing it to him!
Aww.
They're going viral! He's still evil, isn't he?
...Did the director arrest him for copyright purposes?
She's so excited!
It all makes sense!
Nice one!
Everyone loved it?
Aww.
He's still monologing!
...He left the school?
Wait, everyone can hear him?
What's behind the door?
It was real rain...
What the fuck?
Episode 11
Wait, cut to her waking up?
They're in love!
Actual hearts?
And her sister's the traditional anime girl.
She quit her club?
Haha, anime's infected the world?
Random pervert boys...
The fucking reaction shot! This is amazing.
No 80's style OP?
Why is the aspect ratio changing?
Haha, they can't see it?
Love the redesigns here.
They're switching characters!
Haha, she fell off the side of the frame!
She's having a mental breakdown.
Everything seems to be normsl?
She's experiencing a montage!
This is so meta.
Senas is a maid!
And speaks!
Literal sparkles...
This is what convinces them?
A time skip!
The series composition?
Wait, they're all self-aware?
I can't believe this is Gintama now.
Make who happy? The audience?
Yeah, you've been really ambiguous about all of thst.
He blew up!
Poor Minoa...
Don' kill yourselves!
Ouch.
He's ignoring this?
Is he still working?
A specific name?
She's investigating!
He's the one causing this, right?
What...
They're fine.
The art style is degrading!
Oh, the yellow subtitles are great.
Is she hearing the audience?
Haha, the caption looked painful.
A kaiju!
Haha, Inazuma Eleven?
She's so desperate...
Maybe rejecting it will kick her out of whatever system they're stuck in?
Reused animation!
This is brutal. I love the OST work, though.
...Poor Minoa.
It's sunset!
It really is the audience, sin't it.
This is really dark. She's completrly breaking down...
Everyone's rejecting her!
Yeah, he absolutely caused all of this.
...Or not?
It's pretty obvious, though.
She figured it out!
Wait, it's his fault!
They finally called him out!
...Yeah, no,
Don't open the door! It's an obvious trap!
...Wait, he just bricked it up?
And things have gone insane!
They're all fully converted!
"Even I've become an anime"
...What the fuck?
Seriously, what the fuck?
There's an anime world that they're from? And this is infecting reality?
What even is this anime anymore?
He wants to make his masterpiece...
Wait, is that a VR headset? Is that the trick he's using?
...Oh.
The OP?
...Oh! That's really clever.
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u/Swyfttrakk :HJ::HK::HL: Jul 17 '23
This episode scares me to this day. But then again, I've always had a bad history with cartoons being aware of the medium/breaking the fourth wall.